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Last Updated: 5:59pm 09-Dec-2023 UTC by redhottrouble

Light No Fire Website

https://www.lightnofire.com/

Light No Fire is a game about adventure, building, survival and exploration together. Set on a fantasy planet the size of Earth, it brings the depth of a role playing game to the freedom of a survival sandbox.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/LightNoFireHelloGames/

Light No Fire Trailer

https://youtu.be/jKQem4Z6ioQ

Light No Fire on Steam

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2719590/Light_No_Fire/

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Light No Fire

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[elder path]

Hype hype hype

[glad condor]

Will nms still get updates?

[sand wasp]

Dont light that fire!

[sand wasp]

yes

[glad condor]

And I'm guessing only next gen and pc?

[sand wasp]

Thats likely, but we dont have anything confirmed about that

[timber dust]

Fire

[elder wind]

Nice - super excited about this game

[glad condor]

Might be able to convince my friends to buy it

[vagrant magnet]

IT BEGINS

[timber dust]

Today

[vagrant magnet]

Man, the trailer even if short feels like it gives off so many potential possibilities.

[elder path]

I want to be a rabbit mage-thief

[upbeat igloo]

Nice

[cursive sentinel]

Lets start a fire baby

[upbeat igloo]

Wait

hold up dont

Nononono

[cursive sentinel]

Eheheheh

[timber dust]

I will make a rabbit farm!

[cursive sentinel]

[vagrant magnet]

Also given the footage, all but seems likely we can build entire castles/ect. unless that is NPC-made stuff.

[glad condor]

Can we conquer the world?

[upbeat igloo]

fucking light on fire kok

Lol

[elder wind]

If this game is like Zelda meets Skyrim meets World of Warcraft meets No Mans Sky - I am all in 🙂

[vagrant magnet]

British Empire 2: Furry Boogaloo

[timber dust]

Apparently Sean lit a fire already!

[glad condor]

Make the earth delve into utter war with multiple player factions

[timber dust]

Damn

[cursive sentinel]

Ill just sit back and supply both sides for personal gain

[elder wind]

I would also like to see PvP in this for sure.

[cursive sentinel]

[vagrant magnet]

Fight between the frogmen and buns for who gets to rule the world.

[elder path]

I hope that group building is better than nms so player groups can build a fortress together

[sand wasp]

Why I hope there is a singleplayer, reason #203

[glad condor]

Gonna be horus heresy fantasy edition

[cursive sentinel]

Only if opt-outtable

[elder wind]

We prob won't see this game until 2026-2027

[vagrant magnet]

Mega guild forms to rule the world, someone backstabs, chaos ensues.

[timber dust]

Hold up. Trailer + emoji....

HG not wanting to show something unless they absolutely know it's coming.

It all makes sense... release couldn be closer than we expect

[elder wind]

it seems very ambitious.

[elder path]

I don't. It doesn't fit into the vision I have of this game. Unless it's like an arena orc something.

[timber dust]

Just hopeful speculation

[glad condor]

You did it horus heresy you truly are the warhammer 40,000

[elder path]

Destroying bases and killing tames is something I don't want to see

[cursive sentinel]

I mean we could very well have arena fights, has anyone here read Erebos?

[vagrant magnet]

Odds are if it happens, you can opt in for war between two groups/factions, and if you do then all bets are off.

So you have to choose to let your base be vulnerable.

[elder wind]

@elder path I think it would be great if you could put a guild together, and explore together (no mans sky), complete quest objectives (aka world of warcraft), complete puzzles (zelda), and have some type of guild war in 'war zones' (division).

[sand wasp]

so far HG is yet to make a game like other people do, this will likely be the same, I'd temper my MMO cliche expectations

[cursive sentinel]

HG is the niche

[glad condor]

Probably just have a pvp toggle button

Like nms

[vagrant magnet]

For me, it's more-so my past experience with survival sandbox games and how people usually group up and do these things.

[glad condor]

What's wrong with a world war

Oh

Now I see it

[cursive sentinel]

@elder wind is there anything you can send me to look at?

[vagrant magnet]

Also a decade of Minecraft server experience has taught me people usually follow patterns in these games.

[elder wind]

@cursive sentinel are you a board gamer?

[cursive sentinel]

... I can be? Lmao

[sand wasp]

thats presuming the ability for them to do so will be available

[elder wind]

haha, okay I will send you some images.

[glad condor]

It should be

[sand wasp]

Why?

[glad condor]

Because flying dragons in a fantasy war

[timber dust]

need those 20 people raids and huge bosses

/s

[vagrant magnet]

Essentially if PvP is allowed, it'll be for clan vs. clan/ect., but otherwise you only have to worry about the elements/beasts.

[sand wasp]

There are literally dozens of survival games with clans locking down areas

HG doesnt follow trends, they set them

[glad condor]

Yeah but none as big as this

[cursive sentinel]

HG is an indie studio lol

[vagrant magnet]

To be fair, it's human nature to form big groups and try to subjegate entire lands/continents. It's literally human history.

[cursive sentinel]

It doesnt have to be this way

[glad condor]

Yes it does

It will eventually

[digital monolith]

I don't get it, will LNF have same multiplayer scheme as NMS?

[vagrant magnet]

Even if PvP doesn't exist, people will inevitably form huge groups to try and take over the land.

[cursive sentinel]

WE DONT KNOW, EVERYTHING IS SPECULATION

[vagrant magnet]

Something Awful's Goon Squad is infamous for doing this in EVERY SINGLE GAME.

[glad condor]

It's happened in every multiplayer sandbox game in history

[vagrant magnet]

It's just human nature to form into big groups and try to tame the land.

[brittle brook]

if its anything like NMS there will be an option to disable PVP

and multiplayer

[glad condor]

Yeah

[cursive sentinel]

How does that change that we dont know anything

[sand wasp]

And if there is a report function like NMS, it will be pointless to do so

[vagrant magnet]

inb4 we get a PvE and a PvP world.

[brittle brook]

eh doubt it will be separated like that

[cursive sentinel]

Give me a pvp and multiplayer toggle and good

[vagrant magnet]

PvP toggle I could see. But not multiplayer.

[glad condor]

Wait since this game is the size of earth wont it be alot easier to discover everything?

[elder path]

The way they worded it in the trailer, I would not expect any pvp

[brittle brook]

eh it works in NMS really well so idk why they wouldnt transfer it over

[elder path]

It's a co op game at its core

[sand wasp]

lol

[vagrant magnet]

Given the size of the world potentially, aka over 197 million square miles of space, I don't think you have to worry about human interaction usually.

[sand wasp]

Go walk around earth real quick, its kinda big

[glad condor]

That's why humanity created boats and other contraptions

[brittle brook]

lol i mean easier than NMS yeah, wouldnt exactly call it easy tho lmoa

[vagrant magnet]

Unless the idea of people existing on the same planet as you in-game is that bad, it should be fine.

[cursive sentinel]

Why not? Pretty sure thats even mentioned

[glad condor]

I totally expect that you can make carriages

[sand wasp]

But they have to make it easy to find people or adventuring together doesnt work

[elder path]

Comparing it to the size of no man's sky, sure, but it will definitely still be so big it will be hard to explore it all. Real life earth has untouched land to this day

[winged harness]

did someone agressively ping or something? I was avoiding this thread.

[brittle brook]

i mean you can get paragliders so i would think so

[vagrant magnet]

My assumption is that if you can set up villages/towns/ect., you can set up ways to make such obvious on the map.

[winged harness]

oh, it's a real channel now

[glad condor]

But we've discovered and named all the big continents

[cursive sentinel]

Its a channel now

Ffs my phone keyboard today

[vagrant magnet]

Imagine if the first person to discover a new area gets to name it.

Then the fun begins.

[sand wasp]

God I hope not

[glad condor]

Gonna be sweaty speedrunners

[cursive sentinel]

Someone is gonna make pp jokes for sure

[vagrant magnet]

"Name a mountain(any %)"

[elder path]

Likely "discovering" things will not be the same as nms. Sure the big continents will be "discovered" but not thoroughly explored

[dense lagoon]

Welcome to Bofa. Population: you

[junior sigil]

hype!

[elder wind]

so I am assuming this will be a persistent world that continues to grow, and have content added in updates/expansions.

[vagrant magnet]

I imagine if a tribe/ect. is formed, they can rename an area once able to.

[elder wind]

This could topple World of Warcraft if it's done properly, this could be 'the game'.

[glad condor]

Dicknbaus island

[junior sigil]

^

[glad condor]

I want to be a dwarf

[cursive sentinel]

I think youre leaning too heavily into your theory for what little we know

[elder path]

I would actually bet that naming things will be unlikely

[vagrant magnet]

I actually dig the idea that most places not story-focused can get named by players who find it.

[glad condor]

Do we think that we will get species customization?

[vagrant magnet]

Or if nothing else, can name settlements/created by groups.

[brittle brook]

im guessing there gonna be randomly named

[glad condor]

The main 3 and some new ones

Humans,Elves and dwarves

[vagrant magnet]

Could see it be to where if a new village/ect. is made, the group can decide on a name for it, and that is what people visiting see.

Also makes it obvious to know where to go to for supplies, where to avoid the sweaty nolifers, ect.

[glad condor]

I'm gonna sink so much time into this game

[brittle brook]

that i could see

[elder path]

One thing I would find very cool is if there are lots of npc settlements ranging from small villages to full scale kingdoms that are sporadically throughout the world for us to find

[brittle brook]

like naming your own bases

[vagrant magnet]

Also could see more of a local portal system/ect. Where if two villages/towns are within X distance, they can set up a linked portal to each other to go between them ez.

[glad condor]

I know for a fact that there's going to be streamers burning down villages

[undone shuttle]

You know I’d name them good things…

[elder wind]

That would be eggggcellent

[cursive sentinel]

No you dont.

[elder path]

Yes I think we will be able to found settlements and name them, but don't expect to be able to name continents and stuff

[glad condor]

They're going to try

[cursive sentinel]

Try =/= do

[vagrant magnet]

Could see villages/towns and other smaller things getting named by players for sure.

[elder path]

I also hope there is teleportation magic

[glad condor]

And dwarves

[elder path]

So we can cross vast amounts of land after we discover something

[glad condor]

Mine, mine, mine away

[elder path]

Like portals in nms but magic instead of tech

[vagrant magnet]

As said before, could see a sort of local portal system be done, to where two settlements can connect together.

So you still got to travel a lot to get further, but it gets easier to go between two towns.

[cursive sentinel]

All Im hoping for is to be able to set up a little home, do my thing, and play the game peacefully.

[glad condor]

And set up trade routes

[cursive sentinel]

No random attack, no basegriefing

[glad condor]

There's going to be some people reenacting the silk road

Probably

[elder path]

I worry about trolls building spam around established player communities

[vagrant magnet]

Someone is going to make a giant road going across the entire planet.

[elder path]

Hopefully you can hide bases like nms

[glad condor]

I hope not

[cursive sentinel]

Why?

[elder path]

That would take a long time

Imma go do some math

[glad condor]

Because it would ruin the atmosphere

[sand wasp]

bad choice, but go ahead

[cursive sentinel]

A road. Ruin the atmosphere?

[vagrant magnet]

Likely can't just do a houdini/not appear in multiplayer. But more-so can do things like build underground/underwater if able to or so on.

[glad condor]

If it was in the sky yes

[cursive sentinel]

You gotta lay that one out for me

Who said in the sky? Lol

[glad condor]

I'm ok with a ground level one that would be pretty cool

[elder path]

Just walking around the globe once is over 8000 hours

[cursive sentinel]

Roads typically are on the ground

[elder path]

Don't even need to do anymore math to know that won't ever happen

[cursive sentinel]

Also I doubt atmosphere is interactable to us

[glad condor]

That's about a year

Someone will do it

[cursive sentinel]

Thats assuming you can walk in a perfect straight line

[sand wasp]

rofl

[vagrant magnet]

Given the circumfrence of the earth is about 24,901 miles, it'd be about double that length for one full trek in a line.

[glad condor]

Could use dragons and whatnot

[glad condor]

333 days

[cursive sentinel]

I meant... Why roads ruin the atmo, which turned out to be bogus

[sand wasp]

You are leaving out building and gathering mats

[elder wind]

I can't imagine the game actually being large as earth, but I think what they are saying is it's going to be an EPIC size.

[cursive sentinel]

You cant imagine? They can

[elder wind]

Do you know how large earth is?

[sand wasp]

Yes

[cursive sentinel]

Roughly

[glad condor]

Around 20 million miles right?

[cursive sentinel]

What are you trying to say?

[sand wasp]

Thats why this is ambitious as they have said

Never been done

[cursive sentinel]

Someone has to be the first

[glad condor]

What about minecraft

Technically that's infinite

[slate jungle]

Sean actually said bigger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182531870613831740/1182761259012206622/image.png?ex=6585df42&is=65736a42&hm=deaa1e723e6ce2c89e9d701d74870d8d6c61f84f929eb764c6f43493d55b4f3a&

[vagrant magnet]

Assuming have all the material you need already and no breaks, and can get about 0.4 miles of road/path placed per minute, it'd take about 207-210 hours nonstop to build a road going a full lap around the planet.

[cursive sentinel]

Worldborder at 3 bil blocks

[glad condor]

Provided they do it alone

[glad condor]

In Java and bedrock?

[cursive sentinel]

Dunno about bedrock

Bedrock is... Bad

[sand wasp]

Also assuming you dont have a personal build limit, which is highly likely

[vagrant magnet]

Yeah, get a team of 5 total to help who can each place the same amount per minute, and it goes down to 42 hours.

[cursive sentinel]

More reason to collab!

[vagrant magnet]

Or in other words, a week-long project.

[glad condor]

That's pretty short

I've seen projects that are years long

[vagrant magnet]

But yeah, that's to place a road one tile or such long down that length.

Nothing else, no lighting or extra done.

[cursive sentinel]

Something tells me you do not have much hands-on experience, Runamuck

[glad condor]

On what?

[cursive sentinel]

Projects

[glad condor]

I'm actually starting a project with my friends

[cursive sentinel]

Id ask about details, but this is about LNF

[glad condor]

Yeah

[cursive sentinel]

Just... A week of pure worktime is not short

[glad condor]

I could dm you the idea if you'd like

[cursive sentinel]

I guess?

[glad condor]

I'm very focused on what I do

It's a problem

Anyways in the trailer I saw a skeleton hitting a tree

And a player as a rabbit so there will be species customization

[junior sigil]

it probably wont be that kind of game like nms but i hope we can commit a small amount of crimes like in nms

[glad condor]

At the end we see what looks like the atlas but broken in half

[muted breach]

Yay

New channel

[glad condor]

Most likely that will be what the game is based on and once again we are in a simulation

Or it's just a God

Which I would prefer

[worn pivot]

so this is new channel

[glad condor]

Yes

[muted breach]

What I'm currently thinking is this is faaaaaar in the past from no mans sky and that this is the original, natural universe that wasn't made by the atlas or whatever like
Civilization made the atlas??
And that that half atlas looking thing is a prototype with a smaller simulation that of artemis' universe

Or something along those lines

[glad condor]

Kinda like lotr with the elves and their God things?

[muted breach]

Idk the lore for that

[glad condor]

The elves and humanity were made by this God and he had a friend who made the dwarves

Friend goes evil and Sauron is his right hand man

[cursive sentinel]

I hope they arent connected. Would take away from both games

[glad condor]

I could see references

[upbeat reef]

new game?

[worn pivot]

yea but game is not out yet 🙂

[upbeat reef]

ah ok

[worn pivot]

but you can find it on steam and add it on wishlist

[upbeat reef]

trailer seems interesting

[worn pivot]

yea real big fantasy world nothing can go wrong hehe

and dragon and ather mounts

[junior sigil]

yooo what if HG suprises us and releases the game in a week or two

[glad condor]

Then I'd cry

I wanna get it on release day

[elder wind]

You have a better chance of 'The Day Before' actually being an MMO 😉

[glad condor]

But I only have 20 dollars

[worn pivot]

thats would be amazing but we never now what they plan

svae money @glad condor 🙂

[junior sigil]

i mean sean did say they were working on it for 5 years yeah?

[glad condor]

I am

[worn pivot]

❤️

[glad condor]

But I also need a ps5

That's alot of money

[worn pivot]

skip ps 5 now hehe

[elder wind]

Are they looking at a PS5 release?

[worn pivot]

buy it after

[glad condor]

All my friends use playstation

[worn pivot]

dont no i only no steam

[worn pivot]

yea i have heard this to 5 years

[glad condor]

Will it get a console release?

[sand wasp]

At a guess, yes - next gen

[glad condor]

How do I make pc gaming enjoyable for me?

As it just gets boring

[sand wasp]

Get better games?

You have the same library (almost) as any console

[timber dust]

ps6 ;-;

[sand wasp]

lol

[timber dust]

time for my daily ritual of watching the LNF trailer before bed

Heckin heck I can't wait to hear the actual soundtrack of the game. Hoping to experience Paul Weirs take on fantasy genre tunes

65dos wouldn't really suit for this type of game as a composer but their in-house audio guy definitely would. Judging by their earlier work

[vagrant magnet]

Seems like given how long it'll be possibly before release, you got X months to get a PS5 for the game.

[cursive sentinel]

Given it supposedly was 5 years indev already, it might as well come out any moment

[opaque citrus]

No release date in trailer so its still long time before release. Many things in the trailer still looks rough and raw.

Imo release will be 2026. Around 10y nms release anniversary

[cinder notch]

What

Holy cow

[timber dust]

I doubt HG would dare to show footage of the game 3 years before release. That's such a huge timeframe for various changes that could happen during development. It would yet again lead in the final product changing from shown and giving more fuel to those "promise hate" bandwagon people.

Also Sean has stated before that they aren't interested in doing such a lengthy marketing campaign with the new title as they did with NMS

a lot can change in gamedev even in one year, not to mention 3

[hasty kiln]

IMO its gonna be 3-4 years until its out

give em' time!

[dense lagoon]

was about 3 years from announcement to launch for nms

[hasty kiln]

okay maybe 2 years

[dense lagoon]

longer, if you include the time before the name was known publically

[hasty kiln]

yes, but consider that they already have an engine and a lot of code that they can pull from NMS

it wouldnt be that much boilerplate stuff

[dense lagoon]

Tell that to bethesda 😄

[timber dust]

Tru. And during that timeframe, many changes were made due to different internal reasons. Changes that resulted in the backlash.

After that, HGs development philosophy has been to only show things that are absolutely 100% certain, ready and not under subject of change

[hasty kiln]

lol, fair

[dense lagoon]

My money is on 2026 for release

what they showed is definitely somewhat polished

but they didn't announce anything of substance, so it's obviously not super far along

[hasty kiln]

also, we hit 3mil!
very nice.

most viewed video on their channel

i hope this means more people are interested, since more interest means more money for HG which means more updates for NMS and LNF

[timber dust]

https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2020/9/2/21418166/hello-games-no-mans-sky-last-campfire-apple-arcade-interview-next-game

So would Murray prefer to follow that same, chill tempo for the team’s next big No Man’s Sky-sized project? Would it be better to just shock everyone with a surprise launch out of nowhere? He’s not so sure.

[timber dust]

surprise launch was at least concidered at one point

looking through old articles about LNF way before we knew what it was going to be

[eternal frigate]

Just post an emoji a week before launch

[timber dust]

Welp... the official LNF twitter page did post a flame emoji

[junior sigil]

dont do that.

[eternal frigate]

Sean Murry on twitter, just goes💡 🚫 🔥

[junior sigil]

dont get my hopes up

please do not

[timber dust]

I doubt we'll see anything this year or early next year. Summer 2024 at earliest if being really hopeful

[junior sigil]

;-;

[hasty kiln]

i hope we get teasers along the way, both to curb unfounded hopes and encourage interest. also, it would be cool

[timber dust]

But a whole year between announcement and release would definitely be the safest timeframe. Going past that the game would go through such development hurdles that features could change drastically, leading to yet another "This was promised, why not here" fiasco.

[hasty kiln]

hmm, i would say ~2 years

[worn pivot]

end of 24 we hops game come out and so we cna play it

[timber dust]

also HGs disinterest towards huge marketing campaign similar to NMS leadup would really fight against several year anticipation building

lotsa hype, lotsa imagination, lotsa articles. Things that feed false "promises"

[dense lagoon]

This is the thing, they've announced nothing and a lotta people are already deciding what features it has

could be a movie

[sand wasp]

As usual

Every game does this these days

[dense lagoon]

Cool lookin' movie tho

[sand wasp]

GTA VI is off the rails with their speculation

[hasty kiln]

i just dont want another 2016 to happen

[timber dust]

Yeah. Just like the whole planets having molecular level proc gen and every crazy stuff. Thing that was spun from a speculative reddit post by "news" sites as "promise for NMS"

[dense lagoon]

In my head it's just NMS with a fantasy theme

Which is pretty cool IMO

[sand wasp]

That's closer than what people are thinking, I'd bet

[junior sigil]

im not even excited for gta VI. its gonna become another "milk online" scenario like gta 5

fantasy nms :D

[hasty kiln]

fantasy nms :)

[timber dust]

But yeah. The longer they let this game marinate and grow expectations and hype, the harder the launch will be. Some people can't take the trailer at face value and I don't blame them. The announcement leaves a lot of room for imagination. Just like NMS announcement did all those years ago

[dense lagoon]

I think they'll have something concrete decently soon

Any big shows Q1 2024?

[timber dust]

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/events?year=2024

[hasty kiln]

i think jan 2024 will be the next NMS update, Q2 2024 we'll see a new teaser for LNF

[slate jungle]

The woke angle is my favorite so far lol
People are too funny

[dense lagoon]

few options there

[vagrant magnet]

For me, I just wanna see building/ect. get a deep dive explaination so as to best know what to expect for buildings, tools, ect.

[hasty kiln]

too bad e4 died

[vagrant magnet]

So I know what I can likely do.

[dense lagoon]

UK game company, so PGC in January is a good bet

[timber dust]

Tru. Luckily TGA has kinda taken the mantle for now. People/gamers really need that one big yearly gaming event that brings everyone together to hype new releases and such'

[vagrant magnet]

I did see wood and stone housing at least with walls, roofs, ect. And I imagine later on we get to work with metal/other materials too.

[timber dust]

Personally not that big fan of Geoff but hey, at least there's a game show

[hasty kiln]

E5

next one

[dense lagoon]

HG have gone to PGC in the past as well, done a couple of talks on NMS' engine

[timber dust]

Isn't that more of an industry thing where gamedevs come together to talk about their work and such? Not really a place for game announcements. Although there could be sneak peeks behind LNF:s dev tools and such

[dense lagoon]

Definitely not big announcements but it's the sort of conference you get articles like "we sat down with x to talk about y"

[timber dust]

if HG has perfected their craft with proc gen and can actually utilizie it in meaningful and crazy ways that could revolutionize gaming industry. I doubt that's the thing but hey... they're one of few proc gen veterans in gamedev industry

one of the pioneers

[junior sigil]

i want to play this game so baddddd

[hasty kiln]

it is hard to wait

[strange wagon]

What’s this?

[timber dust]

I did see plenty of "sameyness" when it comes to terrain shapes and such in LNF but I also noticed plenty of details that aren't yet present in NMS or any other proc gen game I know of

[timber dust]

chat for Hello Games' new IP, Light No Fire

[strange wagon]

Ohhh neat

[timber dust]

it's an open world RPG

[timber dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKQem4Z6ioQ&pp=ygULaGVsbG8gZ2FtZXM%3D

here's the game

Join the hype!

[rocky trellis]

Is there a release date?

[timber dust]

nope

[dense lagoon]

oops pressed enter

[slate jungle]

Looks amazing so far
Will preorder this one lol

[hasty kiln]

nah, but i would expect late 2025 - early 2027

[rocky trellis]

They should make a procedural generated GTA

open world

[hasty kiln]

HG has earned my trust. same

[timber dust]

Same. Will be instant buy despite my financial situation being kinda unstable

money does not matter when it comes to these perfect pieces of art from Greetings Videogames

[sand wasp]

Hola Digital Interactions

@tropic marsh No

[timber dust]

Salutations Virtual games

Warm greetings and salutations to you, a friendly acknowledgment of presence and connection. Interactive digital entertainment that involves player engagement and immersion in virtual worlds.

[tropic marsh]

ill try to search some if they will appear

[timber dust]

An inviting expression used to make someone feel embraced and appreciated Entertainment through virtual gaming, encompassing a variety of digital experiences that engage and entertain players.

in short, Hello Games

[tropic marsh]

damn im so excited of new upcoming game

but im not sure that my pc will handle it

i will buy rx 7600 gpu sooner

[eternal frigate]

I am curious if the flying mounts are going to be endgame things, or expensive to use in some way, so much speed on those compared to running around or even riding a horse type animal

[vagrant magnet]

As an Ex World of Warcraft player who saw what flying mounts did to the game, it's best for it to not only be endgame but also hard/expensive to use often given otherwise players will just only use them and ignore everything on the ground otherwise.

[toxic quest]

I hope it's like the avatar movie where you have to explore an find the mount you want an tame them in some way

[eternal frigate]

Some kind of maintenance cost rather than being hard to get initially I think

[vagrant magnet]

Players will always look for/use the easiest/laziest way to get X or Y done.

[eternal frigate]

Tbh NMS kinda has that as well. Why am I going to run or even drive an exocraft, I will just fly unless it is a very short distance

[timber dust]

Hoping for flying to be a mid/late game unlock or something you have to work towards extremely hard. Flying should be a rewarding unlock

that's just a personal opinion but I think it adds a lot gameplay value

[vagrant magnet]

As long as flying once unlocked doesn't allow you to speed through the entire game map in 5 minutes, it's all gud to me.

[eternal frigate]

Perhaps flying long distances uses up a lot of food for the creature carrying you

[timber dust]

Feed the dragons big steaks or they refuse to fly xD

[eternal frigate]

Pretty much

[toxic quest]

Yeah true it should definitely be earned

[timber dust]

I love how some mmorpgs incorporate flying as a late unlock

[vagrant magnet]

I am curious if we'll also have skill levels for things like mining, woodcutting, ect. And that ends up being how you get better tools/crafting unlocks.

[timber dust]

If it follows some old school rpg design philosophies, theres likely going to be a looot of skill lines to put points on

old elder scrolls and so on

[vagrant magnet]

And to unlock later "ages" of technology, you need certain tools or to build certain things like a crafting table, ect. to get access to new stuff.

[timber dust]

Idk I'm young. There are probably better examples than TES

[timber dust]

Crafting table > better crafting table > even better crafting table with shiny parts

[vagrant magnet]

Things like "if you want to use iron/other metals, you need to build a forge and a blacksmith's table/anvil" and "if you want to do more than the basics with wood, you need a woodcutter's saw/ect.".

And depending on how much of each material you need for bigger tools/builds/ect., it becomes more obvious working together/forming a settlement/ect. is a big benefit to do.

[dense lagoon]

Ok so I went through the trailer again and wrote down everything I saw

Multiplayer
Open World
World is fantasy earth-like
Rideable animals
Ancient ruined buildings
Stone orb
Trees
Plants
Animated skeletons
Thermal hazards
Day/night
Fish, coral, seaweed
Swimming
Mountains
Mountable flying dragons
Cloaks capes
At least 5 weapons
Shipwrecks
Floating cubes
Flags
Hangliders
Jumping
Giant birbs
Weather
Backpacks
Jodhpurs
Wooden buildings
Stone buildings
Carrying heavy things
Chopping trees with axes
Custom glowing signs
HP Bar
Rabbit people
Long boats
Big fucking swords
Bows
Explosive ammo
GIANT ENEMY CRAB
smol enemy crab
Fire (game is a scam)
Sword on fire (game is a scam)
Running
Walking
Smol birbs
Helmets
Helmets with antlers
Saddles
4K Clouds
Fire Beacon (game is a scam)
Floating platforms
Campfires (game is a scam)
Ewoks/bungle
Torches
Giant non-cubic convergence cubes
Endermen
Shields
Hill giants
Tables
Chairs
Volcano's
Disrespect for gravity

oh damn that's a big list

[tropic marsh]

hholy shit

text wall

[lofty mulch]

disrespect for gravity lol
f gravity, all my homies hate gravity

[dense lagoon]

oh it's cause discord put a line break in every line

[tropic marsh]

thats already insane

[hasty kiln]

thats a lot of text

[elder path]

Only thing on that list that matters to me:

Rabbit people

[elder wind]

Trees

lots of Trees

[vagrant magnet]

More-so we get animal people in general.

[hasty kiln]

ahem ahem, fox people

[dense lagoon]

There were a lot of trees

[vagrant magnet]

Countless species/races seen in the trailer.

[hasty kiln]

you dont say

[timber dust]

foxes are superior creatures! Foxes for the win! Foxise fopsise foxos. Foxo oxos

[hasty kiln]

fox! fox! fox!

[dense lagoon]

I wouldn't say countless, I counted maybe 4 types?

[elder path]

I also love foxes but rabbit people wins for me

[elder wind]

There were big trees, small trees, medium trees, fat trees, skinny trees - so many amazing trees

[dense lagoon]

Lots of variation on those 4 types

[vagrant magnet]

Foxes, rabbits, bears, potential wolves, frogs, badgers, and at least a few more some noted.

[hasty kiln]

lets see,

• Otter
• Hog
• Badger
• Rabbit
• Fox/Wolf
• Bear
• Frog
  miss any?

[elder path]

There was also a magic staff. Did I miss that in the list?

[tropic marsh]

hold on we will have a new light no fire discord server?

[dense lagoon]

"at least 5 weapons"

[hasty kiln]

yes

[elder wind]

Feathers, i saw feathers on wings

[vagrant magnet]

I'm ready for a true open world fantasy game for sure.

[hasty kiln]

gleam confirmed it

[tropic marsh]

well at least something

because 1 channel about this game is far not enough

[elder path]

I'm going to make a discord "Light No Fire Roleplay Community"

[hasty kiln]

agreed

[elder wind]

I just want to see an actual 10min of gameplay video :p

[tropic marsh]

nah i think only admins can do that

[elder path]

An unofficial one

No one can stop me from doing that. Just can't advertise it here

[eternal frigate]

I expect realistically, either another server will be created or this server will become a HG server rather than NMS

[elder wind]

and it must have trees

or i'm out.

[tropic marsh]

but this is not a server that officially created by hello games

[elder path]

Gleam is making one for light no fire specifically

[tropic marsh]

think ill do the server too

[vagrant magnet]

Def. excited for when that discord is made.

[tropic marsh]

but probably for russian community of this game (if it even will have)

[slate jungle]

Jodhpurs

[dense lagoon]

essential feature

[tropic marsh]

can someone send me an image of this emoji

its pretty hard finding it on google

[dense lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1182603002134151201.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[tropic marsh]

tysm

[dense lagoon]

you can just right click emoji and choose "get link"

[tropic marsh]

i have to do logo for server

[dense lagoon]

can't believe the game has fire though

why would HG scam us like that

[tropic marsh]

damn im strugling to make a logo in paint

ill try to do it on phone

[junior sigil]

i hope this game has around the same specs as nms

[timber dust]

!!!!

[tropic marsh]

oh no they're already created their twitter (X) account

[timber dust]

X (formerly known as Twitter)

twitter will always be twitter

[south dagger]

Is there an official light no fire discord yet?

[dense lagoon]

not necessarily them

[tropic marsh]

singular gleam is probably working creating it

[dense lagoon]

believe nothing

[tropic marsh]

im doing the unofficial one but different

[fast pond]

funny if true

[timber dust]

https://lightnofire.com/press

Official game website has that twitter account as "their account". Also a lot of staff at HG follows it

[dense lagoon]

cool, is official then

[timber dust]

HGs pr team hard at work I see (pr team = Sean)

Shaun Murrew

[south dagger]

I was excited for Enshrouded and Nightingale, but Light No Fire has surpassed that excitement by leaps and bounds!

[timber dust]

I was excited for elden ring DLC and any other RPG game that would be announced. Got blasted with the absolute highest levels of hype, happiness and joy I could imagine

[tropic marsh]

I just did the logo for the discord server, can y'all check it out?

[timber dust]

This announcement truly rekindled my childlike admiration towards Hello Games again

[night meteor]

@tropic marsh LЇGӉҬ ЙФ ҒЇЯЭ created by Seaniev Murrakov

[strong cliff]

Same. That and the 2024 NMS announcement.

[somber crow]

@tropic marsh here is a larger one... I just inspected their SVG and increased the size
https://i.imgur.com/HF7U1xr.png

but you can just save the SVG and open it in a vector program and make it any size you want

[neon whale]

Hehehehe!

[fluid yoke]

Hello I’m starting an exploration guild focusing on mapping out the planet and learning the lore. Another focus will be to build outposts across the planet that players can come across to rest up from a storm, get food, gear etc that will be hopefully maintained by the community. If you’re interested let me know

[somber crow]

Here is an even larger logo to work with... so that you don't have jagged edges. I opened it in Sketch and just exported to PNG at a much larger size.
https://i.imgur.com/HF7U1xr.png

[vagrant magnet]

Thinking about it for the start of the game, they'll likely make sure you start where you can at least get basic materials for survival.

Stuff to make basic tools, a set of clothes and basic shelter.

[tropic marsh]

bro i literally have to sleep already

[vagrant magnet]

And of course if hunger is a thing, a source of food to at least get you started off before the inevitable.

[somber crow]

https://i.imgur.com/C1A5e6r.png

that's their text logo ^

[modest dawn]

oh we have a channel now

[vagrant magnet]

I am hopeful we get more info later on as in "hopefully before 2025".

[modest dawn]

(moving my message) - anyone notice these guys in the trailer?

[vagrant magnet]

Given the dark spooky look they have, odds are they are one of the things we fight.

[wispy lance]

If it's an earth sized earth, people are gonna try to map it asap

[sand wasp]

Jawas

[vagrant magnet]

I'd actually dig being able to chart maps in-game.

Essentially having it to where you have a way to have an image of a set area you're in be on a map, and to be able to either place on walls, offer to others or so on.

And of course have larger maps when placed together to show off much larger areas.

[somber crow]

I would imagine at some point, we will know what's what... like where the tropical forests are, the deserts, the volcanic zones, etc... but it might just be hard to journey there

[short beacon]

everytime hello games have a video announcement

[somber crow]

yeah Hello Games is 🔥

[dense lagoon]

Excuse me, no fire allowed

taps the channel name

[somber crow]

whoah what are those creepy ghostly guys?

[vagrant magnet]

Also if villages/towns become a thing, could see it to be where you need a specific thing/structure/ect. to actually start one properly.

[modest dawn]

beats me. they're in the scene with the big Knowledge Stone Head Entity - which your eye is drawn to

[vagrant magnet]

And once started, anyone who touches it can have it form a marker on your map so you always know where it is.

The potential for towns/villages is immense, depending on what all can be built besides the usual wood/dirt/stone houses.

[modest dawn]

i was focusing on looking at flora detail and pop-in of elements when i noticed them

[vagrant magnet]

I am def. excited for the potential of countless biomes. The only problem is of the human element. Or more-so "how long before players teraform anything unique into whatever houses/buildings/ect. they build instead" as inevitably people go build happy.

[modest dawn]

because in the scene where the character is flying over the mountain top and there's a floating island/structure they're going toward, you can see boulders start to pop in, then the camera tilts down a bit (i think to try and make it less apparent. not faulting them here, of course you'd put the best shots in a trailer)

[vagrant magnet]

Because players will want to build where all the cool areas are at, and thus inevitably crowd those places until they cease to be unique.

[tropic marsh]

noted. ill work with it tomorrow when ill wake up

[neon whale]

The entire planet will be full of cool areas!

[dense lagoon]

fingers crossed it's multiplayer optional

[neon whale]

I wonder if there will be wars...

[dense lagoon]

no offence, but y'all suck

[neon whale]

Multiplayer will be optional, it's a single player game with online co-op.

Same as NMS.

[tropic marsh]

in other words like no mans sky

yes

[vagrant magnet]

Honestly, for online, I wanna see the game truly have plenty of players in one world. For me, feels like such a world needs hundreds/thousands of players, and not just 4-10 max per world.

[dense lagoon]

I haven't seen that from an official source

[vagrant magnet]

197 million square miles of space approx. in size is way too big for just a few players max.

[tropic marsh]

they're probably will add some survival server like minecraft have

[neon whale]

It's on steam at least

Tags

[vagrant magnet]

Honestly, I'd dig online servers having 10K to 50K players per world.

[dense lagoon]

tags are user submitted

[vagrant magnet]

Just the right amount to feel like a big fantasy world/story.

[dense lagoon]

don't trust 'em

[vagrant magnet]

50K players to a world means nearly 4K miles of space per player.

[dense lagoon]

has single player/online coop in the side bar though, which is definitive. excellent.

[neon whale]

Yup' that's what I meant

[dense lagoon]

OS: To be confirmed

Mac only

C'mon apple

do it

[neon whale]

lol lol

[rustic monolith]

I wonder why I cannot "favorite" a channel in NMS on Discord like I can with MidJourney and others? Is it a rank thing? (wanted to fav this channel here)

[dense lagoon]

would be the one thing that'd get me onto apple arcade

[vagrant magnet]

But yeah, given Sean himself said he wanted it to be a world everyone played together on, it's most likely online will have a good-sized player capacity.

[lime marsh]

trees in LNF do use actual 3D models unlike NMS from what I can see

[neon whale]

What do they use?

[lime marsh]

hm?

[dense lagoon]

I think they mean trees appear pre-rendered

[neon whale]

2D planes... hmm!

[dense lagoon]

Which, I think I agree with, a lot of assets looked pre-rendered vs proc gen

[neon whale]

Maybe it's only for trailer.

[dense lagoon]

could be, could also be they took the starfield approach with a mix of proc gen and hand built locations

[neon whale]

And I think the game will see major changes in the first 3 months of release.

Hmm! There will be hand-built locations for certain, the floating base thing, the tower POI, the giant in the badlands etc.

[timber dust]

Huh? Do you mean the trees in the distance?

That's just basic gamedev stuff. Further away objects switch to lower poly versions and at the lowest, 2D sprites/impostors of the actual asset

[neon whale]

From what I am looking at in the trailer I see those trees and other flora to be fully 3D

Using planes as texture holders has been a method used in almost all CGI stuff.

So that's not an alien concept.

[modest dawn]

billboards and impostors

[timber dust]

Nothing wrong in having the very furthest objects render as 2D sprites tho. They offer no gameplay benefit for being 3D assets and only consume performance that could be used for more immediate things in player viscinity

[neon whale]

Yeah!

The closers an object is the more 3D it should be, more detailed. That's the stuff with LOD

[lime marsh]

jesus

[neon whale]

Yes?

[timber dust]

Literally every game does that. Remember how way back in the day HG used to hide poor render distance with a huge wall of fog. They've come a long way since then

[lime marsh]

you folks are clearly misunderstanding what i said

[neon whale]

[timber dust]

although the fog did add to atmosphere and vibe of some planets

[timber dust]

exactly!

[lime marsh]

the trees in front of you, no matter from which angle you look at them, they appear the same

as in 2d

[neon whale]

I have not noticed this.

[lime marsh]

[timber dust]

Waste of recources to render the furthest objects at highest LOD. I dunno if people have noticed but a recent example of poor optimization is the cities skylines 2 where every little detail is rendered at highest poly count / lod

[dense lagoon]

here goes another 50 views on the youtube video

[neon whale]

I can see 3D objects with lights, shadows, ambient occlusion, normal maps, bumps and height maps baked into them.

[timber dust]

A fellow trailer enjoyer 😄

[neon whale]

<-- first Major in Animation & Multimedia. Game dev, 3D modeling, lighting, texturing, rendering was a part of the course. 😅

[timber dust]

Good enough title to give proper takes on this stuff! You're way more than well informed.

[neon whale]

Hence the use of some terminologies...

[timber dust]

also me here who's dabbled in gamedev as a hobby and my partner is studying their last year of actual gamedev

[neon whale]

Noice!

Moreover the engine the game is based on feels a lot similar to NMS!

[modest dawn]

my interceptor seems to still be having LOD issues in NMS heh

[dense lagoon]

I see what you mean, a lot of the trees are exact clones, with the same orientation and same animation timing. They are 3d though - a couple of the scenes have people moving around trees.

[modest dawn]

it's always like one level too low

i have to smash my face up against it to be the highest level

[timber dust]

I've done a procedural 2D rpg for example! Written my own little potato script and all 😅
Well.. never really finished the game but ye... dabbled in here and there with generative games too

Kinda lost my gamedev spark now.... maybe one day I'll get it again. same with drawing and other creative works

it's just easier to... i dunno... consume the media rather than make it

[lime marsh]

finally someone who understands

[neon whale]

That's great, actually. My school project for final year was a platformer like Mario. 😄

Understood we did, Adam watched the trailer again.

I'm more focused on the UI they're going with.

That looks appealing.

[timber dust]

Neato. Well doesn't the programming come as a rather secondary thing in your line of studies? Would assume they focused more on the art side?

[dense lagoon]

UI is very minimal, I missed the HP bar the first time

[timber dust]

Yiss! Minimalistic UI speaks of professional game design! The less the game requires UI to be understood and played, the better

[neon whale]

Yup but game dev was also a part of the entire course, so that's why.

[timber dust]

better to visualize things via gameplay and the world itself rather than UI elements

[rustic monolith]

Ooooh.. I just had a thought, wonder if this will be a subscription based game?

[neon whale]

I switched stream and studied interior design after that, that's my second major.

[timber dust]

I wish I'd gotten accepted in the school ;-;
Would be also studying gamedev now

never got through the entrance exam

[dense lagoon]

never say never, but Sean has said numerous times how much he hates that shit

[modest dawn]

i dig minimal ui in a fantasy setting for sure

[rustic monolith]

thats good at least lol

[neon whale]

HG didn't do that with NMS because Sean does not like the idea, however there's scope for LNF and growth in HG too. It can happen, will it though is a question for a later date.

[neon whale]

[timber dust]

if there will be some type of subsrciption, it'll definitely be one that's extremely customer friendly. Probably giving minor benefits and gameplay boosts like idk... monthly items, increased inv size etc.

hard to imagine HG having a predatory business model

[rustic monolith]

true true... (fact is I'd pay it either way, so looking forward to this game)

[neon whale]

Yeah

[modest dawn]

HG has also proven that their little team can still thrive on regular sales alone

[neon whale]

I expect a 60 bucks price point with same suit for future content as NMS though.

It is an ambitious project for HG, 60 dallas is alright

[modest dawn]

yeah i absolutely agree on the 60 bucks

[dense lagoon]

I wonder if they're parterning with Sony again or if they're going it solo (or as solo as one can in the game dev world)

[modest dawn]

maybe higher because eCoNoMy

[neon whale]

Last time they had to go with Sony, this time around it's already on Steam's wishlist thingy.

So there's a different kind of dynamics here for sure.

[timber dust]

easily pays the salary and other dev costs if LNF dev team size is about a dozen or so

and NMS already generates plenty of revenue for HG

[neon whale]

I think 17 including Sean. One sec

[modest dawn]

heck NMS sales have been propping up LNF's development for at least 5 years already haha

[timber dust]

NMS sales enable HG to even attempt such an endeavour

[modest dawn]

yup

[neon whale]

LNF dev team

[timber dust]

17 + sean

heccen smol

[neon whale]

Oui

[dense lagoon]

NMS launched on PS/PC together, they just acted as a development partner/distributor

[neon whale]

Oh

[timber dust]

many of the people appear to be og NMS devs too!

[neon whale]

Wait... no!

[cursive sentinel]

LNF server ready yet?

[neon whale]

Oh xb was later

[timber dust]

so the core veterans of HG bringing all their experience and skills to this one

[timber dust]

PC came a few days later if I recall correctly

[neon whale]

Not made public yet, still working on setting it properly.

[cursive sentinel]

Alright, just making sure I didnt miss it

[neon whale]

Aye! Link will be shared and pinned probabs!

[modest dawn]

gunter gonna be there? :3

[cursive sentinel]

Doubt it

[vast tendon]

I'm so excited for this game :D

[cursive sentinel]

Saaaame

Hope it doesnt flop D:

[vast tendon]

My one concern is that save editing is super easy in No Mans Sky. Considering everyone is on the same planet in this game, if one person edits their save it could ruin entire parts of the planet's economy for everyone. I hope they have addressed this

[neon whale]

Gunter is there.

[cursive sentinel]

I dont think save editing will be a thing in LNF

Oh he is? Cool!

[vast tendon]

I hope not

[cursive sentinel]

It wont

[neon whale]

Why wouldn't save editing be a thing in the game? GF is already thinking about creating an editor for LNF when it's launched.

[vagrant magnet]

I'm ready for when online hits when the game is out, and we see the first basic colonies of players forming in the wilderness.

[vast tendon]

Because everyone shares a planet. In no mans sky it doesnt matter so much because if someone edits their save a way you dont like, you can just go 5000 lightyears away.

[neon whale]

That is not how save editing affects the game though...

[vast tendon]

Plus, what's the point of building up a town when someone 5km away just spawned in all the resources needed to their inventory?

[vast tendon]

What do you mean

[vagrant magnet]

They probably have something planned multiplayer-wise for people who try to 'cheat' their way to being unstoppable/ect.

If nothing else, to keep players from all but wiping out 90% of the useable land for the funni.

[rapid verge]

Just been watching light no fire YouTube vids got me hyped again

[modest dawn]

as far as i can tell, everything seems to be more cooperation. i don't think i've really seen anything pvp-ish?

[cursive sentinel]

Because of the more present online component I thought. Also personal hopes

[vagrant magnet]

Even then, there'll still be competition between groups, in the age-old tradition of "who has the bigger outpost/kingdom/buildings/ect." to feed egos.

[neon whale]

No matter what you do in your save it never affects the other person because your "save file" is not uploaded to the only server HG has, the Online Discovery Services.

The only time it affects the game is when someone is griefer, and that too can be completely removed from the picture by switching off multiplayer in network settings.

LNF is a single player + online co-op game. It doesn't have a MMO-esq multiplayer, at least as per steam.

[vagrant magnet]

If anything, I could see happening a "main" online world that people can go to, and then more private servers for friends/ect.

[neon whale]

Moreover if HG does invest in a multiplayer setup with proper servers I think the testing grounds will be NMS. We do have some indication of a racing system in the future updates for NMS, that could mean player v player races, online...

Here's hoping!

[cursive sentinel]

Lets hope youre right.

[vagrant magnet]

As the old meme went, "Now this is podracing."

[vast tendon]

I know that, but the biggest thing I dislike about no mans sky is that while it is multiplayer, there is not much substance to it beyond "make-your-own-fun," because in order to create anything sizable you must modify the game or use glitches, and while doing that you can just add hundreds of items to your inventory.

If that were to happen in LNF, I would see no point to the game as there is no reason to venture to the wilderness and explore it when you can just spawn items to your inventory and get everything you need.

Were save editing impossible, you would not have that option. But because save editing is possible in NMS, if one person skips the game with save editing, everyone may as well

[vagrant magnet]

I imagine that devs know players want to make huge things in-game.

[vast tendon]

The whole "untouched wilderness" feeling is just ruined for me when you know that anyone could come along and build huge stuff there using spawned-in items through save editors

[timber dust]

For this reason I really hope no nodding support will be added 😅

for nms it was kinda necessary during the early days

[vagrant magnet]

To be fair, the untouched wilderness is destined to be touched the moment players spawn in.

[vast tendon]

Which is why I hope they make it possible without mods, because otherwise the LNF progression would become just like NMS's (I.E. non existant)

[vast tendon]

Of course, but touching it with modded in items ruins the point

[modest dawn]

all we can do is wait and see lol

[vagrant magnet]

Anyways, as for actually starting, most tools/tech/ect. will likely be locked behind getting more basic tools and things like crafting areas/ect. built first and setting up base.

[vast tendon]

For me, LNF could be perfect, but if save editing is possible like in NMS the game would be unfortunately ruined for me

[vagrant magnet]

So most likely expect to see most new players going full Caveman grug with sticks and primitive tools.

[neon whale]

This is in your hands though, correct? You do not have to add anything to use glitches, and the glitches we currently have don't make a huge impact except giving us more control over objects, like scaling, giving them the same origin, orienting them in specific angles. Secondly, the stuff you can add in your inventory is in your hands altogether. If you're adding stuff with a consciousness of "this is wrong, I don't like it" that's on you.

As I said, my billions of credits mean nothing to you, and vice-versa. If I have something it's not impacting your gameplay in the slightest. Heck, I don't even play the game in multiplayer. I genuinely do not see anything wrong with save editing.

[timber dust]

This exactly.

Reason why I stopped "playing" NMS was when I dabbled in the modding scene, did a few mods, used plenty and tried save editing.

All the meaning and purpose of actually progressing were lost. Why do time limited expeditions if one can just mod the rewards in. Why do anything requiring effor when it can be unlocked with mods or save edits.

The only reason I ever come to NMS these days is for social reasons, expedition experience (not the rewards since those are meaningless) and to see and play through new content

[vagrant magnet]

Modding is fine for me, it's only a problem when you have a That Guy spawn in enough materials to get into endgame gear and go mach 35 with endgame mount to start destroying everyone online.

[vast tendon]

I personally don't add anything to my inventory. But I also don't play the game anymore. I just don't see the point of playing the game when legitimate players are forced into the same world as those who spawn in all their items

[timber dust]

There's a difference between playing and experiencing a game. Nowadays I simply experience NMS rather than "play" it. Since there isn't much of meaningful progress

[rapid verge]

Will this discord change from no man’s sky to hello games thinking as they have another game coming or is it gonna stay how it is

[timber dust]

NMS is a lovely game, not one to dedicate any sense of achievement to but rather experience a nice entertainment product

[vast tendon]

Same. I come back once a year, look at pretty stuff for a few hours, and then leave because there is no point to it because anyone can spawn anything in really

If NMS had a "mods" and "vanilla" server it would be an amazing game for me

[vagrant magnet]

Also I will say if LNF ends up how I think it might, it's going to be prime PC/laptop wallpaper/background picture/ect. material.

[neon whale]

This is true for when there is a sense of competition, which is completely absent in NMS and it looks like it will be absent in LNF too. There is exploration, there is base building, animal taming, combat, flying, but I don't seen a leaderboard or anything that indicates "I am better than the rest of you peasants, kneel before me and kowtow three times".

[vast tendon]

I don't want competition, but I want accomplishment.

[vagrant magnet]

It'll likely be less of a literal leaderboard, and more-so "big groups trying to one-up each other because pride is a hella drug."

[neon whale]

Like, I would agree and back you if this was the case with a game like a battle royale, or a MMO, or PvP centric game... but a title by HG?

[vast tendon]

People coming together and working on something big is wonderful, but why do it when people in the same server as you can just spawn their "something big" in instantly?

It removes the sense of accomplishment for me

[vagrant magnet]

At this point we should have a "creative" server for people to do this in, while the main one is survival-focused.

[vast tendon]

Indeed

[rapid verge]

Need more info on this game please Sean 😆

[vast tendon]

That would bring me back to NMS. If there was a vanilla and mods server, seperated

[vagrant magnet]

If Minecraft figured this out almost 15 years ago, so can other games.

[neon whale]

Once again, so far we do not have an official statement that the game is going to be a MMO, it just has multiplayer and thar multiplayer is co-op like NMS.

[neon whale]

We have creative save, normal save, survival, permadeath, and 15 save slots in NMS...

[timber dust]

EXACTLY THIS!

The act of killing a difficult boss, delving through a dangerous dungeon, climbing a perilous mountain or honing your skills with a specific craft.

Anything like that to acquire some item, weapon, armor etc. that shows fellow players how you overcame this gameplay challenge.

[vast tendon]

I know, but thats what makes me a bit sad. Were it MMO like (That does not mean it requires competition) with people having to work together it would be my dream game. But unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the way

[vast tendon]

But they all exist in the same world

[timber dust]

All this is lost if PC players (me included) can just save edit the stuff in

[rapid verge]

There seems to be a lot of people together on trailer more than four (not sure if co op means 1-4 players)

[vast tendon]

Exactly!!! Being able to instantly acquire anything ruins the game for me

[neon whale]

You and I can exist on the same planet in NMS and you won't even notice until I let you know. That's the beauty of these titles.

[timber dust]

prolly NMS style online. 4 player group limit but bigger instance sizes for random encounters

[vagrant magnet]

I feel this is the big thing that should be addressed by devs, how many players actually will be in the/a world or server.

[neon whale]

And you don't have to do it, at the end of the day it's your choice to use or not use a save editor.

[dense lagoon]

I don't see that it matters

[vast tendon]

Well, I will notice from the large base marker icon, and the tanked economy you're glitching/modding...

[dense lagoon]

I'm not gonna play with any of y'all anyway

[neon whale]

Nah! You won't

[vast tendon]

Sorry - I don't think you see my point

[neon whale]

Trust me.

[rapid verge]

👀

[neon whale]

I need to upload my base for others to see, and I don't have to upload it to work on it for myself.

[rapid verge]

I see your point

[vast tendon]

It's not that I will mod items in. It's that if others can mod them in, what is the point of me working to get that same item?

[timber dust]

I noticed how a save editor user had modded their ship shield to insane amounts and were shooting the ship torpedo launcher in a rapid fire mode, killing innocent players around Galactic Hub xD

[dense lagoon]

For you to have the item?

[neon whale]

See that is griefing and I did mention that's the only issue with save editing.

[vagrant magnet]

It's funny how this all boils down to "people can't just play the video game and would rather hack/cheat/mod everything in than actually be challenged, while some are acting smug about it."

[vast tendon]

Say I want a rare item. I explore caves, travel dungeons and fight monsters to get it. An epic tale.

Another player says "I have that Item too!" so I ask how they got it. "I used save editor!"

So what was the point of my epic tale? Suddenly it isn't so epic

[vagrant magnet]

It makes what you got more valuable because you actually had to work for it.

[dense lagoon]

This sounds like a you problem tbh. You need to think less about what other people are doing.

[vagrant magnet]

People who just go LOL EZ GG modding everything in look silly, while those who actually put in the effort are seen as respectable and worth being around in-game.

[timber dust]

I don't really understand the need to save edit progress. Like man. It's a video game. Interactive media entertainment product. By save editing/hackin, the people skip and neglect designed gameplay which is supposed to offer you entertainment for the money, the very thing they bought

[vast tendon]

I want a game with a shared world in which everyone works together. Which means I am disappointed when others skip that teamwork or adventure with a save editor

[neon whale]

Your satisfaction? Why does it have to be a comparison with what others can do? It is your game, your copy that you are not sharing with anybody else. I really do not see the point here. Let others do what they are doing. What you're saying is like if I compare things in real life if others can travel to work in their luxury cars what's the point of me going to the same office via public transport? Because I want to earn money for myself...

[vagrant magnet]

As someone I know a decade ago best put it, "People will go through Herculean-tier efforts to not play video games and act like they are better than you."

[dense lagoon]

That is unfortunately narcissism. You are not the main character of life.

[vast tendon]

I would be fine with others doing it, if everyone didn't share the same world!

[neon whale]

But we do...

In game and in real life...

I don't think I'm from Jupiter and you're from andromeda galaxy...

[vast tendon]

It's called Extrinsic motivation, not narcisissm.

Plus, wanting to work together to achieve something as a team is perhaps the opposite of narcisissm.

[vagrant magnet]

That moment when we only get one world to work with and humanity is going to ruin it.

[neon whale]

That's the point I wanna convey. If simply does not matter,

[vagrant magnet]

true pottery moment.

[timber dust]

Save editing progress in a video game could be compared to buying a movie and simply skipping through scenes until you reach the climax/spectacle parts.

[vast tendon]

In real life you can't spawn in 5 billion dollars

[dense lagoon]

Me either but it doesn't bother me in the slightest if people do

[neon whale]

And if I do that in game how does that affect your gameplay?

There's literally nothing in the game that you or I cannot earn

[timber dust]

Neither me, unless people do it in an online game where player interaction is an integral part of the product and its design

[vagrant magnet]

Or as you can more recently say it, "Watching only a few scenes on youtube shorts and saying you watched it all."

[neon whale]

Everything is out there for the taking and neither of us need each other's help to grab those things.

[vast tendon]

It removes the value of everything in the game. When anyone can have anything, everyone does have everything.

[sand wasp]

No, that's in your head

[vast tendon]

Spawning does not equal taking

[sand wasp]

Your accomplishments are not invalidated by others, unless you let them be

[neon whale]

It doesn't spawn for you...

[timber dust]

"If everyone's super, no one is"

[neon whale]

It spawns for me.

Like...

[dense lagoon]

No, it's the defintion of narcisissm. You don't want people to work as a team you want people to work for your team the way you want them to.

[neon whale]

I'm really confused right now...

[vagrant magnet]

inb4 someone gives everyone every material at the start of the game to crash the game via Soviet Union tactics.

[dense lagoon]

there's teamwork happening, you just don't like it

or would be

game hasn't launched

dumb argument

time for food

[vast tendon]

I never said I wanted it to be my team. I want to be a little guy in a little village. Just living in my house, surrounded by other people living in their houses. And someone says "Let's build a castle!" so we all work together to gather resources and build a castle.

The current state of nms is "Let's build a castle" so someone spawns 30000 ferrite and builds a castle

[sand wasp]

No, that isn't accurate

I don't spawn anything

[vast tendon]

If the game just had two seperate servers - one where people can spawn stuff in and one where people can't - I would be happy

[vagrant magnet]

Ah, the good old "Only my side/team/group matters, everyone else is ruining it for us" mentality in so many survival sandbox games and irl.

[sand wasp]

And I don't care if someone else does

They play how they like, you play how you like

[vast tendon]

It's clear that there are different opinions here and that they cannot be changed. I will stop before it devolves to argument. Thank you for discussing.

[rapid verge]

Kinda like when you work hard to unlock a armour in mmo and someone just buys really good gear

[neon whale]

Take the expeditions right now, people are helping each other legitimately in #nms-expedition channel. Yet there are people who have completed the expedition in their own way... it just doesn't matter. Everybody gets the loot at the end of the day should they choose to. Some via completing the expedition, some via save editing, there's no fear of missing out.

Yeah! Let's agree to disagree. 🙂

[vagrant magnet]

Honestly, the only thing I view being just as silly, is people who go on MMOs or obvious multiplayer servers and complain about people existing in the same planet as them online because "they just want to play by themselves"...when single player option is right there.

[dense lagoon]

no

[sand wasp]

I agree that I will be a bunny

[neon whale]

[timber dust]

I have one friend who always mods the hell out of every game that allow it.

Sure they mean good by wanting to boost our progress and everything but personally I find it annoying.

For example, we bought Satisfactory. I was expecting countless hours of fun and factory building but said friend of mine was curiously progressing way faster than the game would allow.

In the end, we had insane map-sprawling production lines and such in less than a week and I no longer had a reason to play the game.

Paid for an entertainment product, got the progress "skipped" by a modder, had nothing more to do.

[sand wasp]

Don't play with them

[neon whale]

I'm planning to go the antler route. I like my horns.

[timber dust]

I no longer do. 👍

[sand wasp]

Problem solved

[rapid verge]

Wondering if reptilian race 🤔

[vagrant magnet]

Well, frogs were confirmed.

[sand wasp]

People seem to think that this game will show you everything every player ever builds

[neon whale]

Not seen so far in the trailer.

[sand wasp]

I find that unlikely

[kind hinge]

I’m ready to ride some birds and spy on people

[dense lagoon]

I think that's a bit different, because someone else modding did definitely impact your gameplay

[neon whale]

Yeah, I don't think that's going to be the case.

[kind hinge]

Bird watching goes both ways

[neon whale]

I think the planet will be instanced just like NMS has. Shared but instanced too.

[vagrant magnet]

I think Bethesda and Skyrim warped how some people view games, where if they don't have 1K+ mods for a game, they think it's bad.

[sand wasp]

It's all down to player preference

[rapid verge]

What does instanced mean again rip my brain knowledge XD

[dense lagoon]

It appears to be using the NMS engine so yeah, fire team based multiplayer with instanced passive multiplayer

would be my guess

[kind hinge]

Hope it runs better on consoles

[sand wasp]

Runs fine on my console

😛

[neon whale]

lol! It is a separate entity for you if you're playing single player, but you get to share the same parameter with others when in multiplayer.

For example, survival difficulty will change difficulty for normal mode.

[kind hinge]

It runs ok on console, but compared to ppls videos from pc playing in here it’s night and day

[sand wasp]

I have it on both, you may have a console issue

[vast tendon]

Two people can be in same place, it will be the same place but those two people may not necessarily see eachother because they are in different "instances" of the place

[rapid verge]

If LNF is instanced that mean we will all see each other ?

[dense lagoon]

not all at once

[sand wasp]

If you want 240 fps on the console then yeah, that ain't happening

[kind hinge]

Nothings wrong with the console, a new series I picked up, nms just has a lot of problems on xbox

[vast tendon]

what if i run at 240p

[sand wasp]

Too bad

[neon whale]

lol

Gleam savage.

[rapid verge]

I’m Confusion 🫠😆

[neon whale]

Savageular Gleam.

[sand wasp]

Rawr

[kind hinge]

Fps is meh, I just hate all the visual glitches with each update making the Xbox code more spaghetti

[vast tendon]

Some MMOs have "Instance zones" like dungeons

Outside of the instance zone, everyone plays together

Inside of the instance zone, every group of players play seperately like its a single player game

[rapid verge]

So we will explore the planet and it will be empty of players because everyone’s in there own little world ?

[vast tendon]

Unknown

[sand wasp]

Only if there are multiplayer settings to allow for that

[vagrant magnet]

Odds are this game will be next gen only, so as to actually make sure it goes smooth.

In other words, anyone still on PS4 has time to upgrade.

[rapid verge]

Darn I wanted to build mega city with people

[sand wasp]

Light No Fire on Switch? More like: Light A Fire with my Switch

[neon whale]

You and I play on the same planet, let's call it Planet Gleam... you are playing in Normal mode, I am playing in Survival mode. For you Planet Gleam has no sentinel, for me it has high sentinel. You are building a base at location XYZ, I am also building a base at location XYZ... we are sharing two instances of the same planet.

[timber dust]

The game will connect a group of people together. Everything within said instance will sync between the players inside it.

In case of NMS, the max instance size is 32 players. Once that is reached, the game will dynamically create a new instance in that location, updating stuff in real time for those within the new instance

[vagrant magnet]

I could see some parts of the world be able to see everyone in there, while more remote parts are instanced.

[kind hinge]

Tbh at this point, I’m thinking 2028 a new gen will be out again

[dense lagoon]

switch 2 launch title

[vast tendon]

I hope switch 2 has good hardware

[kind hinge]

Might be worth grabbing a cheaper version now and waiting to get the expensive one in couple years when a new one does drop

[vast tendon]

or at least xbox 360 hardware xD

[vagrant magnet]

If anything, the dream would be 500-1K people being seen together in a huge area.

[neon whale]

Lmao! Jim Murrayson: Come on baby light no fire.

[kind hinge]

Idk if ps5 has a cheaper counterpart

[sand wasp]

Uh

Hardware isn't there

[timber dust]

and everyone not in the instance will see the changes with a delay since the information goes to the server and then back to the players.

In instances it is usually... instant.

[vast tendon]

Tell that to Dual Universe :P

[rapid verge]

So say if I’m on normal mode I won’t see others on let’s say hardcore mode but I will see others on same mode as me am I getting warmer XD ?

[sand wasp]

I did

[dense lagoon]

Gifs are not allowed in this channel (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[neon whale]

Nope! Not if they use the same engine as NMS!

[vagrant magnet]

Perhaps 100-ish people in an area then?

[timber dust]

Used to be the case. NMS instances all modes together nowadays except permadeath and expedition

But basically ye. There are limits

[neon whale]

Then the game becomes a MMO!

Which I don't think LNF will be.

[dense lagoon]

I think eve holds the maximum concurrency record

[vagrant magnet]

If that is the case, then many Minecraft online servers are MMOs too.

[sand wasp]

What was it?

[kind hinge]

If nms engine, I think it can only load like 60 or so in same system

[rapid verge]

I just want to see y’all in the world and annoy u all with my presence XD

[kind hinge]

Might be bit less, really depends

[dense lagoon]

8,825 players

[vagrant magnet]

64 more likely could be the limit per area.

[neon whale]

Yes, precisely because they are "servers", not a hosted peer to peer small scale connection.

[dense lagoon]

it ran like dogshit

[sand wasp]

Yes

[neon whale]

The worlds in Minecraft that we all take for granted are literally paid servers.

[vast tendon]

it had 6500 people in one place i think

[timber dust]

mmo as a genre has a lot of other connotations related to it than just the player count.

There are also games that falsely advertise themselves as MMOs despite not being one. One good example being Elite Dangerous which literally has NMS levels of online interaction

[vast tendon]

oh you guys know planetside 2

the FPS with 1000 people in a game

its 1000 right

[dense lagoon]

https://www.ccpgames.com/news/2020/eve-online-breaks-two-guinness-world-records-tm-titles-in-one-day-with

[vast tendon]

i googled it... 2000

[vagrant magnet]

Ah, the good old meat grinder in FPS form.

[vast tendon]

some awesome moments in that gmae though

[vagrant magnet]

Fun game, even if it's Warhammer 40K-tier in terms of endless fights that never end and don't have a winner.

[neon whale]

Anyway, this is becoming a discussion for #off-topic-bond-james-bond or #other-games... let's stick to LNF, everyone. Including moderators and admins.

[sand wasp]

LNF

[neon whale]

[dense lagoon]

LNF doesn't exactly roll off the tongue

[sand wasp]

LNF LNF

Keep practicing

[vast tendon]

my brain always reads that as "Little Nightmares (short circuits)"

[neon whale]

Lnf Lnf!

[vagrant magnet]

Just be glad the devs didn't use a name to let it be DNF then. The jokes would write themselves.

[sand wasp]

Light No Bunnies

[neon whale]

NMS didn't even roll out with what was promised! It's all a matter of time 😉

[sand wasp]

Roll off the tongue - Easy to say

[gray wind]

skrill issue 🦐

[rapid verge]

Saying that wasn’t NMS orginally single player and multiplayer was added later (correct me if I’m wrong) LNF is being marketed as exploring the world alone or with others so we can’t be sure how this will be it should be a much more fun tho

[neon whale]

I know, hence the wink. 😛

[vagrant magnet]

Honestly for me, as long as you can see what people built/did in the world even if they don't appear in-game, it gud for me.

[sand wasp]

There will be a limit

[vagrant magnet]

I love the idea of exploring the game later on and seeing ruins and buildings players made and left behind.

[sand wasp]

Suppose the game has 1 million players that all build stuff

[rapid verge]

U would have a decay timer no ?

[neon whale]

From the website (link pinned)

"Light No Fire is a game about adventure, building, survival and exploration together. Set on a fantasy planet the size of Earth, it brings the depth of a role playing game to the freedom of a survival sandbox."

[sand wasp]

Doubtful it's going to load every single thing that has ever been built, wherever you are

[vagrant magnet]

Likely not everything, but more likely anything big of note.

[sand wasp]

And by persistent, I think they mean your stuff, and the people in your group at the time

Or instance

But we shall see

[rapid verge]

I need more info on this game so many questions

[sand wasp]

Maybe they are magicians and have found a way for true persistence no matter the build count or player number

[neon whale]

"A Multiplayer Earth
Carve a life together. Meet players from across the globe, build a life, explore and survive together. Construct persistent buildings and communities, or strike out alone to discover the world for others."

Proof that it has single player and multiplayer "instances".

You find a thing, upload it to HG's singular server just like NMS, others visit it but it has your name as the one who discovered...

[slate jungle]

"Bartle's taxonomy" addresses this topic well.
Simply put people play for different reasons.

[vagrant magnet]

Anyways, I checked the trailer. I saw at least 6 players riding on horseback, potentially up to 8 players at least.

[slate jungle]

Great presentation by the man himself, for anyone interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIzLbE-93nc

[vagrant magnet]

I'm ready for speedrunners to try and race through an entire planet to give everything the silliest names ever.

[neon whale]

This will happen, for sure.

[vagrant magnet]

The good old "people will race to new unknown places so they can name it after themselves or the dumbest things ever" exploration mentality.

[slate jungle]

Even if the planet is 1/10th the size of Earth, GL with that lol

[gray wind]

Fight No Lires

It kinda goes hard though

[rapid verge]

I’m so hyped still my god need this game I don’t even care about gta 6 lol

[neon whale]

My one concern is what will happen when the players discover everything? It's a single planet, although the size of earth but earth itself doesn't have places discovered by everybody alive.

[gray wind]

I’m so excited

[vagrant magnet]

It truly isn't an exploration game until you get to a new place and give it the dumbest name ever that everyone has to use because you got the right to name it via the rule of "Dibs".

[neon whale]

There will come a point when all is discovered.

[cursive sentinel]

Good question, but no answers

[vagrant magnet]

Just like the real world, eventually there will be no more lands left to tame or discover.

[neon whale]

What will HG do after that?

[slate jungle]

The player base wont even be able to cover an area the size of my state in a short amount of time.

[neon whale]

||Reset the simulation?||

[vagrant magnet]

Ocean exploration, baby.

[dense lagoon]

Hi So Excited, I'm adamb

[neon whale]

You're underestimating us. 😦

[slate jungle]

Hawaii island alone is over 4k sq miles lol

[gray wind]

Bye AdamB

[vagrant magnet]

I'm ready to see the new-age Lewis and Clark-tier exploration era unfold.

[rapid verge]

Probably unlikely but late 2024 release would make my year XD

Earlier the better

[gray wind]

toss all players in a pit and restart the game

[neon whale]

lol

[vagrant magnet]

I wouldn't be shocked if many start in a similar area, and it's everyone for themselves after.

[sand wasp]

Don't forget there is lore

[vagrant magnet]

Also the pure chaos when two players discover something at the same time and fight for who gets to name the new place.

[dense lagoon]

Going somewhere?

[gray wind]

That seems pretty fair depending on what story direction there is

[slate jungle]

and you can barely see us on the globe lol

[dense lagoon]

star-trek-tng-lore-smirk.gif

[sand wasp]

Which means static locations for said quests/interactions

[neon whale]

Hmm!

Interesting

[vagrant magnet]

I'm ready for the moment players find a new place, and they go "I don't care if your homeland is called Tchala, we are naming it Bunland and you can't stop us as we claim it".

[sand wasp]

They won't want us starting 10k miles away from an important story feature - and if we do there will be a travel system

[rapid verge]

Seems LNF is focusing more on multiplayer which I’m curious to see how it will work

[neon whale]

We will get to tame and fly dragons...

That's... wow! Just wow!

[gray wind]

Yeah, in NMS holo terminus makes the lore a lot easier to just exist around where you are

[slate jungle]

I suppose they could have events spawn in relation to a given character, instead of fixed locations

[vagrant magnet]

Also watch there be things like huge temples and so on to explore, and people just try to claim it for themselves or try to pave it over for their new homes.

[gray wind]

What if we ride dragons into portals or something that’d be pretty

[rapid verge]

Gotta name my first tamed dragon beeko after my bearded dragon XD

[neon whale]

Also... are they actually dropping us on a pre-historic, fantasy Earth? The description keeps mentioning "Earth".

[gray wind]

I need to workshop some dragon puns

[vagrant magnet]

Plot twist: The end of server event wipes out everyone and shows the start of actual humanity with cavemen.

[sand wasp]

Don't burn out

Syyyyy

[dense lagoon]

I know one but I can't repeat it here

[gray wind]

I’m not feeling very funny today, the day’s really dragon on

[slate jungle]

and this is only one of the peaks on one island, on that little speck on the globe
https://www.gohawaii.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_gallery_bg_xl/public/hero-unit-images/IHVB_0213med.jpg?itok=-eKFGhE4

[gray wind]

You could but then I’d have to sacrifice you to HG

[dense lagoon]

Don't threaten me with a good time

[vagrant magnet]

The movie Pocahontas perfectly mirrors the two types of players that the game will likely have: Those who want to explore the world and enjoy its sights and wonders....and those who want to claim the land, dig it up to oblivion for its resources and become filthy rich/form full colonies and empires on the broken land.