nms-multitools

[young reef]

ha awesome, im after the pistol thats all, i have my rifle to 43k thanks to @glad wren

[surreal lava]

what pistol ?

[young reef]

sentinel pistol i think its still classed as a rifle

[manic pine]

I believe Alien pistols have the next highest potential damage possible besides sentinel multi tools

please correct me if I'm wrong

[glad wren]

I believe you are correct

[young reef]

urgh i need to swap the multitool in the cabinet -_-

got it =]

[halcyon sky]

royal blue+gold C-class

[compact scroll]

Svet Igoľščik S-32 "needler of light" 🤔

[pulsar charm]

Thank you Scott! o/ Just got mine per your instructions and your post.
I did have to reload the game when I got there to get the rifle. The pistol was there first but I reloaded my autosave and there it was!
When I got it, I loaded it with slots and leveled it up to S class from B class. Again, thanks

[manic pine]

that's a nutty supercharge slot layout

[surreal lava]

i have 28.6k dmg on it with pulser

double what i had on my last tool

🫣

[pulsar charm]

UPDATE! lol
BANG! XD
So far so good...It's alot of S class buffs I know but it's a start.

[young reef]

If you get some decent X class mods you can hit 45-50k, I have both this rifle and the other one this is at 46.5k and the other is 49.7k

[pulsar charm]

I'll get it up there. Patience and time XD
This is my old best gun so, it's an improvement anyway ya slice it.

[young reef]

I dm you

[proper karma]

Anyone seen any sentinel MT with T shaped SC layout?

[timid sparrow]

What's the better scanning tool, royal, experimental or sentinel? Nms wiki says royal or experimental but I also hear sentinel is great

[blissful creek]

im new to the game so like 😃 how did you get so many slots

[pulsar charm]

and I waved 🙂

[amber pawn]

@young reef 53k is possible with X Class, 2x2 layout, max dmg roll, and Scatter Blaster. Boltcaster with SM and split L layout can hit 56k.

Max dmg possible with most weapons. Mining Beam set up for max yield over max dmg

[cedar rover]

How's there 15 supercharged slots in those multi tools?

[amber pawn]

@cedar rover Save edited, I do this on research saves with max dmg bonus and X mods to test out various layouts and check damage potentials

[pale lake]

I wish ps had a mod ability lol

[amber pawn]

It's 1 MT, just with tech shuffled around, and I'm on PS4, but have SaveWizard

[pale lake]

What is that?

[amber pawn]

Software that costs ~$50, cannot be pirated, and is the only way to decrypt PS4 saves without a jailbroken console

[pale lake]

wow

[cunning dew]

can anyone help me understand how the multi-tool stats work?

I understand in theory the min and max per class but what about the actual numbers that show up, like those in the middle?

[amber pawn]

@cunning dew The game always uses values that precise, it just lops off decimal places for ingame display. not rounded, just cut off.

[cunning dew]

so if damage is 20-25... why is the actual stat 10?

I'm not understanding what the middle stat is?

my post above is this one:

it's actually "Alien" I believe

[amber pawn]

@cunning dew Oh, those minmax values are erroneous

[cunning dew]

they were from here:
https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Multi-Tool

for the different classes

this is how it shows up default in game

[amber pawn]

What type is the MT? And that doesnt help, stripped to unupgraded mining beam is the standard for comparison

[hollow crane]

i claimed a MT from a certain cabinet and now its empty. is it possible for me to claim another MT from that cabinet?

meaning another model via planet reloading

[cunning dew]

It's just so confusing to know what stats to compare

I have the tools like nomnom, NMSCompanion, et.c..

how should I be comparing base stats?

[gleaming raptor]

I just picked up the same MT with two different saves under the same conditions, upgraded them both, and one is like 38k potential, one is like 12k. Basically the same modules, though not exact. Makes 0 sense. 😂

[cunning dew]

yeah I can not figure out how the stats are generated or even how to compare them

Even the "type" says different things in different places

[gleaming raptor]

I think there's some sort of bug happening. I either cap out around 11-13k or hit like 38k with the same stuff.

[cunning dew]

So what is this chart all about?

that info is not really making any sense compared to this of an actual MT...

[amber pawn]

@cunning dew For some reason its showing that Alien tool as having C Class bonuses

[cunning dew]

yeah they are all not matching, every weapon

and even as documented by others like here...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2609669312

check these stats, mostly twitch items...

none of them match what the WIKI says

and that is for not just me

they all have those low stats

these are not modded at all

or is it that the twitch items are super scaled back?

[amber pawn]

@cunning dew Actually yeah, but I still wanna see how they look after S upgrade

[cunning dew]

so people are using twitch MT and they say class A but really they are class C? That is very odd, is the in-game performance of these MT super bad then?

how would anyone know this?

[amber pawn]

@cunning dew They start as A Class with Cbonuses, am guessing theyll get proper bonus rolls on upgrade to S Class, but I dont have any Twitch rewards to check myself

[cunning dew]

ohh thats interesting theory

let me upgrade one to S

brb

yep!

so no one realizes that the Twitch rewards are super gimped?!

or is that just a bug forever?

[amber pawn]

Theyre not really that gimp3d unless any start as S

[cunning dew]

I mean aren't the stats super low when you get them?

being C class numbers?

but being listed as "A"... without using some kind of "editor" you'd never know they were reduced?

seems long ago someone else noticed:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/mlc035/psa_twitchexpedition_reward_shipsmultitools_have/

[amber pawn]

The ships are actually interesting, regardless of type, they seem to get Fighter type Class bonus rolls.

Ohhh, the MTs all function as Rifles? Thats news to me, cool

Anyways, upgrading Class works to fix them, as you showed.

[edgy pasture]

Quick question. Which MTs do not benefit from a 2x2 supercharged layout?

Or weapon tech rather

[amber pawn]

@edgy pasture Blaze Javelin, that best uses a T-Shape.

And Boltcaster uses an L-Shape, or a split L if one has the Boltcaster SM blueprint from day 1 or save edit.

[edgy pasture]

Okay that's what I thought I just couldn't find anything definitive online

[timid sparrow]

Think I screwed myself out of the squared supercharge sentinel rifle. Accidentally grabbed the wrong version of the rifle at the location with MP off. Traded it out for a new one at a different different location but no matter what I do I can't get the right one to spawn.

[white furnace]

Sentinel mulitools are the best now ye?

Stats wise

[grizzled pumice]

B-class alien gun - on space station
Eordnin, Euclid |

[amber pawn]

@white furnace Best Damage, sure

[white furnace]

K thank u, so pistol is still best for mining?

[amber pawn]

Yep

[white furnace]

Thx

[lost fox]

I found S clas multitool new, but for some reason, the Interface at the second encampment isn't offering the option to solve the glyph puzzle. It only has the access memory and scan for dissonance spike options. Is there something I'm not doing?

[glad wren]

Do you have FREE turned on? If so, just interact with the cabinet, it's already open for you....FREE

[lost fox]

agh, so there is not another method, how to unlock it?
on youtube saw ppl having glyph puzzles, but i dont have

[glad wren]

If you have Free purchases turned on then the cabinet is already unlocked for you

[halcyon coyote]

oh... so royal MTs are all class C

[pale vapor]

is it though? yeild wise i was getting slightly more with the sentinel tool with the old laser installed for adjacency bonus.
and i didnt do any real testing for mining speed but i would say that the new lazer rips through any resource node?

[halcyon coyote]

i it worth to get them to S or will something like an experimental MT outperform it at S?

[pale vapor]

like it doesn't have as good mining bonus on the tool yeah but the hijacked laser definetly adds power. that coupled with the fact you can install the old laser too...

[amber pawn]

@pale vapor Yeah, I think the Pistol still wins out for speed, though its too close to be sure sans testing, but the Sentinel MT has the added edge of being a more viable PvE weapon, because it sure as hell bites enemies harder.

Up to 9 damage tiers above Pistol lmao

5% = 1 tier

[umbral kestrel]

No, I found an A class one a few weeks back

From glyphs someone posted

I have it at S now but yeah

[gleaming raptor]

Royals can be any class but S.

Also, if you reload at another planet in a system with a royal MT, you can swap colours.

[glad wren]

Thank you! I did not know that!

[umbral kestrel]

Oh I see, good stuff

[pale vapor]

i found an A class recently actualy

one sec will see if i have the screenshots

Euclid. reload on SS for the brown one and on planet for the blue one.

was on a new save so i couldnt check where the other slots were

[glad wren]

I learn something new here almost everyday

[red skiff]

Found it at the space station

Bit of a shame it doesn't have any super slots tho : (

[gleaming raptor]

They just aren't uncovered yet.

[red skiff]

It's like the 2nd alien multi-tool I've ever found, granted I don't really hunt for multi-tools. I find 1 s-class one and stick with that one for the rest of the game XD

[pulsar charm]

the new updated weapons are dope asf

[sour hamlet]

37000 damage, dang

i thought i had a good one at 17000 haha

[gleaming raptor]

You can get that with just the scatter blaster and upgrades installed on some of them, lol

[grizzled pumice]

S-class pistol - on space station (pirate system)
Dafenn, Euclid |

[timid sparrow]

Can anyone confirm if the abandoned encampment sentinel multitools respawn if you collected one from the camp? I've tried waiting 24 hours warping numerous times and nothing

[amber pawn]

@timid sparrow Its not time based, its # of stored interactions in savedata - you need to collect enough new interactions of the same type to knock the camp you already hit off of the list.

[timid sparrow]

What do you mean by stored interactions?

[amber pawn]

@timid sparrow Whenever you interact with something, an entry is recorded in your savedata. Aside from your bases, thats pretty much how everything "persistent" is handled client side. So you need to cycle through all the entries in the category cabinets reside in, til the cabinet you want is overwritten due to being the oldest remaining entry

[timid sparrow]

Think I got it. So you make it sound like I need to go shopping for a bunch of other multitools to cycle that one out and that should cause it to respawn?

[amber pawn]

Yep

Unsure how many

[timid sparrow]

Cool thanks! Time to go through the others I'm hunting for then. Thanks for giving me an answer! hate to miss out on such a cool find.

[frosty gorge]

Are the sentinel guns just static models instead of being procedurally generated?

[winged spire]

pretty sure there's just the two appearances, yeah

[pulsar charm]

Can’t collect the 4 square sentinel rifle because somebody spam built base components all over it to lag the game and make it crash 🙃

[tawdry siren]

Report base? Or crash before you can?

[pulsar charm]

Sometimes crashes before I can and also doesn’t show up for me as a base so I can’t report it. Doesn’t show in portal as a base, can’t find base computer

[tawdry siren]

Hmm not sure if someone else reports it, if it disappears for you too

Probably instanced

You got portal address and galaxy?

[gleaming stream]

You can report a base from the Quick Menu once you are in its radius

That should temporarily remove the base for you

Otherwise, disconnect from the internet, restart the game and try again

[tawdry siren]

I thought so, but as I dont really get other peoples finds anymore its been a while

[glad wren]

Report the base from your quick menu from anywhere on the planet. The base name is NOPE. It will disappear from your game.

[winged spire]

Is there a way to not see others' bases at all, short of going offline?

[glad wren]

Yes, report it from your Quick Menu as soon as you land on the planet

[winged spire]

No, I mean,
no bases. at all. have to see the base to report it.
Maybe I'm talking nonsense lol, always possible, its ok to call it that if so lmao

[glad wren]

Step 1 -Land on the planet
Step 2 -Open your Quick Menu and Report the base called NOPE
Step 3 -Go get your rifle

Please make sure Multiplayer is turned off

[winged spire]

right, nevermind, i must not be making sense

[glad wren]

I'm sorry, it's probably me not understanding

The Camp where the MT is won't disappear, just the offending base

[glad wren]

You can DM me if you need help

[winged spire]

Appreciated, but no thank you
I'm not having problems yet

[dense mulch]

The only way to do this is when you literally go offline, disconnect from the ODS completely by turning off internet. ODS (Online Discovery Services) is HG's server where all upload information and nexus information is stored and shared with the rest of the players at client side.

[winged spire]

Bless, thank you
is good to have a contingency for the worst possible case <3

[dense mulch]

Indeed 🙂

The only issue is you won't be able to upload your discoveries and bases either.

because you're playing the game off-grid

[amber pawn]

@dense mulch Sure you can, have you never noticed the PendingDiscoveries section of Discovery savedata? Specifically for things that failed to upload because of no ODS connection, the game will retry uploading every time you connect to ODS til Pending is cleared.

[dense mulch]

Oh yes, I know that. What I meant was we cannot upload things during the time we are disconnected from the internet. Discoveries will be uploaded if the connection to ODS is established.

[muted saddle]

should I swap ? Class is lower but its worth more and has a few more slots
idk which is better

[golden lynx]

I just found a C class alien multi-tool at the space station. It can only move up one class (at most) if I find it at a planet minor outpost?

[rich trout]

Cant get the built structures to go away. Even tried going offline

[pallid moon]

How do I get a "slot upgrade" it's a item I know thatI know what it is called

[lapis mural]

I can give you some if you want

[glad wren]

I don't know anything about playing offline. I am very sorry.

Playing online, land on the planet and open your Quick Menu and report the base called NOPE. The base will disappear

[dry lichen]

If you go offline, you will need to be completely disconnected and to clear your base cache. To clear the base cache, go to a system with no bases, save and exit the game. Then start again and go back to the system you wanted to not see bases in.

I'd try reporting first though

[pallid moon]

I need 1-5 if you can

[river acorn]

Who can find me big black rifle 🥺

[amber pawn]

@river acorn No one, black isnt part of the palettes used for Pistols and Rifles

[dusky arch]

Has anyone yet had the luck of finding an S class sentinel multi with all sc slots adjacent to one another?

And I don't mean finding like a C and leveling up to S, though I might end up doing that one day, I mean has anyone found one with legendary placement, such as a T shape or even a square?

I imagine not since its such a rare find, but still wanted to ask

[river acorn]

Well the darkest color you can get

[dusky arch]

For anyone who considers using this video for their multitools, keep in mind that the tools are located in one of the other galaxies, not Euclid (starter galaxy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaiR1i5Q7w

[amber pawn]

@dusky arch Sentinel and Royal MTs are exempt from the rule that natural S has higher damage than upgraded. This one upgrades to max dmg 2x2 SC

[brittle terrace]

Has anyone found out if the Sentinel Multi-Tools actually respawn in cabinets and under what conditions?

[mint wing]

I heard that if you save and reload on diffrent planet on same saystem and go back to cabinet the sentinel tool will change from pistol to rifle with same slots. Is that true?

[brittle terrace]

It's worth a shot at this rate, I just want a 4-block sentinel rifle.

[rotund pumice]

i think, yes

[brittle terrace]

I messed up or got screwed out of the one Scott found and I could kick myself for all my screw-ups, might try that multi-tool featured above ^^^^ and see if it does the same thing as a rifle, can't hurt.

[pale vapor]

Initial SC slots won't change but upgrade SC slots will be different if you reload on a different planet.

Initial slots come from the cabinet but any slots gained by upgrading class come from the tool seed.

[mint wing]

Got it 👍

[brittle terrace]

So if anyone goes for that multi-tool above, you will NOT get the same layout in Rifle form as you would in the Scanner form (Pistol style)

[mint wing]

It will but only initial slots. Next slots you will add will change. So you have to be sure the slots you want are already fixed.

[lean heart]

If you upgrade the class of a tool, does a random slot get turned into SC?

[amber pawn]

@lean heart Not random, SC slots are predetermined by MT seed

[lean heart]

What I meant was, is one of the normal slots going to turn into SC slot?

[amber pawn]

@lean heart Yes

[vale merlin]

dear lord that's a lot of slots!

[pulsar charm]

lol, it shreds

[kindred arrow]

just got this really awesome upgrade

[river acorn]

I’m definitely tryna cop

[haughty crag]

where do I acsese my other multitools?

[timid sparrow]

Outlaw system euclid in space station. Just base teleported into it so not sure on reload. 3 slots on left are base, lone one on right unlocked.

[upper spear]

x, cogwheel, swap multitool

if you on pc

[haughty crag]

im on switch

[dense mulch]

D-pad (left hand side) down > scroll left > select multi-tool option.

[haughty crag]

ok

[chilly axle]

Dude, sick find

[pale vapor]

this is actualy real nice as it only needs two glyphs to access

[amber pawn]

I think the game just uses the first MT seed from each pool to double as Sentinel weapon, gonna check later

[timid sparrow]

Does anyone know if it's possible to checked the level up supercharge slots on console without saving and having to commit to buying the tool?

[mint wing]

You can only see curent class SC slots withouy buying and leveling up

[timid sparrow]

I know, but I know the unlocked SC slot change based on the reload so I was wondering if there was a way to tell where those slots would be without resulting in buying the tool or not getting it to spawn when I reload on a different planet

[gleaming stream]

SC slots do not change upon reload

The layout is based on the seed of given equipment (starship, multitool, etc) which is constant

In case of MTs the layout is also dictated by the cabinet it was found in

[timid sparrow]

@gleaming stream true but don't the upgrade SC slots change based on where you load from?

[gleaming stream]

I don't know why would they

I upgraded my Sentinel MT all the way up from C to S class, so gaining 3 SC slots

They are at the same position each time I load the game

[timid sparrow]

No I mean the base SC slot stay the same for the cabinet but the unlocked SC slots vary based on where you reload from in the system prior to buying it.

[pale vapor]

this is correct. upgrade sc slots are determined by the tool seed not the cabinet. and by changing the pool by reloading you are changing the tool seed.

[pale vapor]

this one above for example is A class with 3 sc slots clustered. there is a possibilty by checking other tools in the systems pool that this could upgrade to a 2x2 or L shape sc slots. probably worth checking rly.

[timid sparrow]

Thanks for the example, definitely makes it harder to hunt for the ideal upgrade slot arrangement though

[pale vapor]

yeah especialy in a pirate system as there is no way to upgrade to S without leaving the system and creating a new save. so you only get one shot at it.

unless you have acces to the upgrade memory fragments

[timid sparrow]

Wait how do you do it normally without save locking yourself into buying it?

[pale vapor]

class upgrade memory fragments from one of the expeditions. they are usualy duped or save edited in.

thats the only way to do it in pirate systems afaik

in normal systems there is a way to do it with teleporters but i forget how it works. DHarhanwulf posted a guide to do it a while ago.

[gleaming stream]

So the initial SC slots are based on the cabinet?

[pale vapor]

yes

[timid sparrow]

Hmm might have to dive into that guide then. Otherwise it's kinda just guessing then it sounds like if you dont have those fragments then

[gleaming stream]

And getting a higher class from cabinet means more SC slots are "locked"?

Lol I didn't know that, thanks

Means I got super duper lucky with my Sentinel rifle

[pale vapor]

yeah natural S tools are always fixed to the cabinet no matter what pool its pulling from.
natural A has 3 from the cabinet
B has 2 ectect

[gleaming stream]

The SC slot in top left corner was the one it spawned with

The 3 in diagonal come from ugprading to S class

[pale vapor]

yeah so with that tool you could manipulate the first slot by getting it from a different cabinet but the 2nd 3rd and 4th would always be in the same place as you upgrade

[gleaming stream]

Nah I like it that way

Thanks for the explanation though

I thought all slots are determined by the tool seed

[pale vapor]

well there is an exception to that rule actualy. if the slot chosen by the cabinet is an a position that would normaly be an upgrade slot then it will pick another diferent slot fo an upgrade

fun fact this also works the same way for sentinel interceptor ships. the initial slots are from the crash site and the upgrade sc slots come from the ship seed.

the other thing about the way super slots upgrade is that they go in sequence
so a natural A spawn upgraded to S will get the same slot position as a natural C upgraded to B

and a natural B upgraded to S will get the same 2 slot positions as a natural C upgraded to A

if that makes sense

[fallen bronze]

is this somewhat rare?

[pale vapor]

royal multitools are quite rare yeah i think its like 5 or 10% chance to get a royal from a sentinel pillar

[timid sparrow]

Oh really? Then this must be quite the oddity I saw on NMS coordinate exchange today lurking through older pictures

[pale vapor]

i think its based on the planet. so all pillars on a planet spawn the same tool.

[amber pawn]

Yep, same class too

Except in rare cases

Split class allows for loading different pools to pull 2 different classes from 1 cabinet

[earnest jungle]

is there anything special about sentinel MTs aside from the mining laser (aka the hijacked laser) being different from normal?

[gleaming stream]

It has high bonuses across the board

Previously Alien were popular because of high damage bonus

Now Sentinel MTs have it as well

Plus they spawn with lots of slots

[earnest jungle]

ok then, so i assume sentinel MTs are the closest there is to a "best" MT?

[hard sleet]

Is there any way to get around the rejected harmonic seal?

Or has anyone got coords for a good sentinel S class multi tool?

[amber pawn]

@gleaming stream Sent MTs have crappy mining bonus and mediocre scan

But being able to install Mining Beam to buff Hijacked Laser makes it better than Pistol

[gleaming stream]

Oh my mistake then, I was referring the table from the wiki

[gleaming stream]

About that mining beam, do you think it's intented behaviour? I thought Hijacked Laser would substitute it

Like let's say expedition 3 starship tech replaces the conventional systems

[amber pawn]

@gleaming stream possibly a willing sacrifice to avoid having to code in flags to prevent it

An extra 4 lines may not sound like much, but HG needs to conserve as much space as possible for 16k base objects @ 20 lines apiece

[gleaming stream]

I noticed the crappy mining efficiency on them but I was thinking it's just me mining more stuff, notably the crystals

[amber pawn]

Yeah but the twin base techs do >2x the mining damage, so that 15% ends up better than a Pistol's +35%

[gleaming stream]

Do you know what would be the optimal layout for mining beam tech with hijacked laser?

I mean adjacency wise, not SC slot wise

[amber pawn]

Depends if you want yield, damage, or speed

[gleaming stream]

Let's consider speed

[amber pawn]

-- OD --
HL X MB
AL X X

Plasma Resonator in upper left if you have it, then swap HL with lower right X

For yield OptiDrill gets centered, for dmg Hijacked Laser centered with Mining Beam below - that setup doubles as a usable weapon.

Especially with Paralysis Mortar + Voltaic Amp, but thats true of any weapon lol

[gleaming stream]

Sorry for responding late, many thanks for this info

[pulsar charm]

Does anyone here know of a good Sentinel Multitool with absurdly enhanced damage levels?

Portal Coordines, if so, please.

[chilly axle]

Nothing special Quality wise but thought I would share cause of the cool design and name 👀

[vocal hawk]

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

got 14k for scanning a ferrite dust rock lmao

[boreal obsidian]

Some of the easiest money I find, get 250k for scanning a rare creature by putting those on super charged slots

[pulsar charm]

just wait til you find the good ones

[amber pawn]

The best upgrade seed for X Scanner has +44% Radius,+10910% Fauna,+10980% Flora,+10955% Mineral

[granite jetty]

Don't suppose anyone's got glyphs and coords for a nice s class sentinel rifle they'd share with me? Please n thank you if you do.

[rotund pumice]

What are those stats, seems modded to me

[vocal hawk]

okay reta-

[granite jetty]

On the suspect nanite power shown above? That's an x class up grade. I've got an experimental with x upgrades giving me 500k+ units on animals, 80k something for rocks.

[rotund pumice]

Well, i know that X class are strong, but this is too much imo

[granite jetty]

I've got one of those mods in a super charge slot. It's insane.

[rotund pumice]

Ima try it asap so ^^

[granite jetty]

I'd have to look again, but iirc, the actual scanner range is over 2k for distance. X class mods are great. You can buy them at pirate stations. Also, buy the (Suspicious Package/Tech) from the local vendor. These will give up x class mods too and only cost units.

Anything you don't want from those can be sold back as nanites to the mods dealer.

[rotund pumice]

i know, don't worry, i have a 3.1k maneuvrability ship XD

and a 100k DPS ship

and a 35k damage potential MT

i knew scanner had some X class upgrades, but i didn't knew they where that good

[granite jetty]

100k dps ship? Nice. I'm still not sure how those numbers work but I've got a flying Cylon infra knife that states 419 I think?

My experimental MT is at about 18k with the bolt caster and scattered gun. It's a positively melting experience

[feral marlin]

3.1k MAN? Is that even flyable?

[amber pawn]

No

[rotund pumice]

yes, extremely fast (640 u/s on surface) and you can do whatever you want with it, but i could go higher by doing a maneuvrability build instead of boost build

[rotund pumice]

it's the number shown in the description of the IK, but it's not really usefull since i think ennemy scale with you damage potential, but i got a 500+ damage potential exotic with all the weapons

[rotund pumice]

35k is even better, it's like : Death

[jaunty quail]

the first S class multitool I ever found! (Budullangr, inside the outlaw station)

[rotund pumice]

GG

[remote rapids]

@pulsar charm got this a few weeks ago

[halcyon coyote]

so, do you actually get weaker base stats if you upgrade an S class than if i get a "native" s class?
how does that work?

also is it cumulative? if i go from C to S will it be even worse than A to S?

you can't get S class royals, for what i've seen, but i want to know if its even worth it to farm or try to get an A class if its still going to be paid to be upgraded to S class

[amber pawn]

First of all, Sentinel and Royal MTs are exempt from this mechanic. No, it is not cumulative; in fact, the types it does affect only have 2 damage tiers, natural S from Regulated systems being guaranteed high tier Dmg, and if upgraded, guaranteed low tier.
Royal and Sentinel MTs do not have this weighting, whether or not these models get max Dmg is entirely seed-dependent, so scouting for a good model will require purchase + upgrade to S class, no other way to be sure.

@halcyon coyote

[halcyon coyote]

thanks for the info, i'll just upgrade my royal from C to S then, can't be bothered to keep farming them + i'm not a fan of using coordinate exchange for easy high quality, i'd use it for appearances only after i've gotten the S class myself

[obsidian forum]

Are sentinels or royals better

[pale vapor]

Euclid. space station. A class experimental in "suzuki gsxr rizla" color scheme

[amber pawn]

@obsidian forum Sentinels, hands down, since Royal/Experimental's 100% Scan stat is about as useful as nipples on a lizard

[obsidian forum]

What abt damage level

Royal or sentinel

[amber pawn]

@obsidian forum Sentinel is the new max dmg MT

[obsidian forum]

Dang, the royals look way cooler

[round turtle]

how do i unlock the sentinal multi tool?

nevermind got it

[fathom holly]

I'm at a S class sentinal multitool location but it isn't on the rack where you'd buy it from

Reloaded save multiple times, turned multiplayer off. any help?

[minor condor]

I love the random names for multi tools. "Destroyer of the Stars" on a sentinel tool. Looks like a Gauss rifle. Too perfectly matched up

[indigo obsidian]

How are y’all finding sentinel multitools? Like idk where to even start when it comes to those

[gleaming stream]

You find them only at Harmonic Camps, the abandoned camps that spawn on planets with corrupted Sentinels

You can locate such camp using an Echo Locator item

That drops mostly from the Dissonance Resonators (the drill thingies) found on corrupted planets

[indigo obsidian]

Appreciate it, never gotten one of those, only the inverted mirrors

[gleaming stream]

Yeah IIRC they have 80% chance to drop the mirror, 20% to drop the Echo Locator

You can also get locators from killing the corrupted spider Sentinels (the bigger ones)

But the chance is even lower, like 5% or something

[indigo obsidian]

Thank you

[obsidian forum]

Yet somehow when I'm repairing a ship it only gives me the locators 🤣

[dusk gulch]

Experimental and royal are similar in term of bonuses right

[mint wing]

Read the pins

[late pelican]

If u go Close to them and aim on them itll actually Show u If its dropping a mirror or a locator

[indigo obsidian]

How so?

[late pelican]

If u aim on them when U stand in Front of them it Shows what they drop under the Name but u have to be real close

With Multitool Not ship

[indigo obsidian]

alright thanks

[acoustic kelp]

how do i make this better

[granite jetty]

The sentinel parts are for the bolt caster. Group that stuff together around a super charge slot if you can.

I think the bolt cast itself is supposed to be on the charged slot.

And keep going(rolling) for upgrades. X class and more salvaged glass.

[umbral kestrel]

Wait the sentinel parts only buff the boltcaster, not all weapons?

[granite jetty]

iirc. I haven't moved them since I got them and sorted initially though.

I'll be on in a few hours and I'll double check.

[gleaming stream]

Correct, they are for Boltcaster only

Dont worry, the verbiage in game makes it seem like it affects the total damage output of the MT

But testing has shown it's affecting only the Boltcaster

[umbral kestrel]

Damnnn

Took me 200 hours to find that out 💀

Well that's gonna help at least

[gleaming stream]

So if you want to have higher damage output, you prolly need to prioritize Boltcaster

But I don't know if that's your weapon of choice

[umbral kestrel]

Hmm

Scatter blaster I would say

[gleaming stream]

Apart from that, you have Boltcaster and Mining Beam modules kinda all over the place

Ideally you want to put them in blocks dedicated to the same tech

[umbral kestrel]

Yeah I've been doing that, but had the sentinel ones spread out randomly thinking they buff all weapons

[gleaming stream]

Having modules in grids makes more sides to be adjacent to each other, so you get better adjacency bonus

[granite jetty]

I love my bolt caster. It's like a burst laser with a bit of muzzle rise.

The final key is an s class sentinel rifle.

[gleaming stream]

If you have nanites, you can take even C class rifle and upgrade it to S class

[umbral kestrel]

Knowing the sentinel thing now tho I got some adjusting to do

[gleaming stream]

The one I had spawned as C class and got these extra SC slots in diagonal once I ugpraded it

Very good layout for all the Boltcaster stuff, cranking up the damage

[umbral kestrel]

I see your in-game name and good to know that isn't just a visual bug on my end lmao

[granite jetty]

I'm gonna have to be less picky about it I know.

[umbral kestrel]

I was like so confused when I saw that

[gleaming stream]

If you mean by player title, then yes, it's a bug in the game

[umbral kestrel]

Yeah that

[gleaming stream]

If you're on PC, I made a mod that fixes that and some other issues with text elements in the game

[umbral kestrel]

Oh?

[gleaming stream]

If not, report it to HG to get their attention

!hg

[chilly hill]

You can submit bug reports, suggestions or feedback to Hello Games here: https://hellogames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[gleaming stream]

Ok enough of off topic

[umbral kestrel]

Alr, good to know

But yes I got some more experimenting to do with my MT now

[granite jetty]

@umbral kestrel My current experimental. I loooove my bolt caster.

[umbral kestrel]

Very nice

[rotund pumice]

kinda low + experimental are the best for scan, not damage, try a sentinel MT XD

[granite jetty]

@rotund pumice I'm working on it. Just need to find one with decent slots, even for an A class.

[rotund pumice]

you have one on youtube with the perfect layout for boltcaster

S class

but i don't remember the vid

[granite jetty]

I've seen a couple of those. They either weren't available anymore or they were so built over with shit that weren't accessible.

[rotund pumice]

you can report a base, if you do so it will diseaper, just make sure to be offline mode

[placid kestrel]

Euclid, C class.

[warm storm]

question when people say eg "s class multitool cabinet" are those instantly identifiable and always have an s class multitool ?

[placid kestrel]

yes but the model and type may vary

[dense mulch]

They are not instantly identifiable, not from the outside, without interaction. An S class cabinet will always stay an S class cabinet though, but you will have to interact with it to look into the weapon class. To prevent model change, as mentioned above, it is best if you land and reload the save to guarantee the same model, and have multiplayer disabled.

[warm storm]

that's what i mean by identifiable, i read some things that said different class multitools can spawn in a given class of cabinet, inferring you can't identify just by checking once

tbh i'm more confused about multitools after reading guides

why i was hoping we had an faq here that was better written lol

[dense mulch]

There are no multitool class when we're hunting multitools. The seed, and thus the class of a multitool is the class of the cabinet. Cabinet matters when hunting.

[dense mulch]

Multi-tool spawning is not an easy thing to grasp or express in a FAQ. We cannot create a FAQ for that because the entire explanation process will take at least 4 different FAQs.

There is a lot to multi-tools than what meets the eyes.

[warm storm]

so if i find a cabinet with an A class tool, then do the save+reload, it will always still be an A class tool ?

it will never be an S, or a B ?

(without going to different planets etc)

[dense mulch]

Yes. This is how we share the glyphs and coordinates for those multi-tools, either here or at other sources.

[warm storm]

that's good to know

[dense mulch]

Although it is not required to save and reload when a PC user is sharing their finds and you are on PC too, but it should be considered as a safe measure.

[warm storm]

that saves me doing a save+reload trying to change this A cabinet to an S

[dense mulch]

It won't change. You can potentially find an S class cabinet in the system somewhere if the space station has an A class cabinet, but this is an entirely different thing.

[warm storm]

is that one of the leading indicators ?

[dense mulch]

Same goes for Experimental and Alien tools. If a cabinet in a system has an Experimental there's high chance you'll be able to find a cabinet with an Alien in that system.

[dense mulch]

Not 100% reliable, but yes.

My method of multi-tool hunting is to purchase at least 36 settlement maps. Travel to a 3 star eco system, preferable yellow because charted, save and reload in the space station to find the cabinet class and the type of multi-tool it has. In case I see something interesting I then travel down to the planets and start pinging for minor settlements. 5 - 6 settlements each planet, if all of them are habitable.

[warm storm]

5-6 is the most a planet can have ?

[dense mulch]

Economy tier plays a role, total number of planets play a role, class of cabinet plays a role, type of tool itself plays a role.

[dense mulch]

No, but that's the average I go for.

[warm storm]

also is there any significant difference on average between an S class that is found in the wild and an A class that has been upgraded to S ?

[dense mulch]

No, except the bonus stat it can roll into when upgrading.

[warm storm]

ooo i might just do that then and upgrade the A i just found. 110 hours in and i've been on no better than a B most of the time

[dense mulch]

Upgraded multitool are usually slightly better than nat S when it comes down to the nitty-gritties, but a same seed of the multitool will always roll the same stats at S regardless of how they have reached that class.

[warm storm]

yeah so there will be difference but not ones relating to the method of obtaining

[dense mulch]

Yeah, and it's not a huge difference either.

[warm storm]

great! makes sense thankyou

[dense mulch]

Anytime 🙂

[amber pawn]

@dense mulch Not the way it works. A nat S Class from a regulated system always has higher damage than its upgraded counterpart. Nat S from Outlaw systems 90% of the time, nat S is as low as upgraded. The only MTs where seed influences upgrade bonus rolls are Sentinel and Royal.

[dense mulch]

Oof! Here I thought I had memorized everything that was taught in the private classes 😦

@warm storm you should take note. Friend-entity DHW is my teacher 🙂

[warm storm]

gotcha, i'll continue keeping an eye out for ones in the wild then

[distant minnow]

Looking for multi tool incinerator mod

[amber pawn]

@distant minnow Save edit only

[tawdry siren]

Dhw, when I see a multitool, how do I find out what damage bonus it has?

Ie sentinel have up to 50% but how do I find where on the scale it is

[gleaming stream]

Please add galaxy name when sharing coordinates

[slender lake]

best way to find an s class multitool? me and a friend have been having issues

i've been doing the reload autosave thing but the space station cabinet's weapon changes but not the class

[gleaming stream]

Class is fixed for each cabinet

If it shows C class, it will always stay at C class (unless HG changes that in game update)

[slender lake]

oh okay, so essentially i need to find an s class cabinet in some minor settlement which then i can reload that?

[gleaming stream]

Yup, or at a space station. Then you can go to another planet, make a save there, reload that save and go back to cabinet

To force the game into generating a new model / design of multitool

[slender lake]

alright

[gleaming stream]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803538367866339359/863865892605394984/Touch-of-the-dance-2021.png?width=1221&height=675

Here's an example infographic of how this process works, courtesy of @golden cypress

If you search their posts in #explorers-archive you will find others like that with coordinates to systems and planets with S class cabinets

The only difference being point 4

Should be Reload Restore Point instead of Reload Autosave

This mechanic got changed in 4.0 update and those guides were prepared before that

[slender lake]

and if i find an s class in a planet, i just mark the cabinet land on a new planet, restore point, and then go back?

[gleaming stream]

Correct

Just make sure to reload that Restore Point

On the planet you made it on

[slender lake]

oh ok nice

thanks

[slender lake]

also wait i should've disabled multiplayer when trying it? the weapons changed and i was playing with a friend

just making sure so i don't mess anything up

[gleaming stream]

Yeah you should, that's the step 1

[slender lake]

oh ok

[slender lake]

one last question, is the s class in a system reliant on if there is an a class in the space station cabinet? or is there always an s class multitool in every system, just odds bettered by economy level

because if there's a c class in the space station cabinet, will there be an s class somewhere? or is that only dependent on the fact that there is an a class in the space station

[amber pawn]

@slender lake No, any T2/T3/Outlaw system will have S Class cabinets, T1/Abandoned wont. Multitools have a natural Class they spawn in, for the most part, only a nat A Class model will spawn in an S Class cabinet

[slender lake]

so basically just go around settlements and stuff and look, it doesn't matter about class in the space station?

[amber pawn]

@slender lake Pretty much, others were trying to explain to you how to know which model from a given pool will spawn S Class, not whether S Class is possible for a system.

[slender lake]

but does every t2/t3 economy system have an s class somewhere?

[amber pawn]

Yes

Multiple - in T3, I've found as many as 6 S Class cabinets on 1 planet

[slender lake]

alright

[scarlet steeple]

S Class

S Class

S Class

S Class

S Class

Native C Class but easy to spawn as B Class

[amber pawn]

@scarlet steeple You do realize that planetary coords are needed to find the same S Class cabinet, yea?

[scarlet steeple]

I have a marker and base on each

[amber pawn]

Uploaded?

[scarlet steeple]

yes

[amber pawn]

Fair enough, thanks 🙂

[scarlet steeple]

anytime. enjoy

[gleaming stream]

@scarlet steeple you need to add galaxy name to your posts

[scarlet steeple]

ok

I just followed Austintacious' tutorial video and am new to NMS. Sincere apologies for missing anything

[bronze walrus]

Earlier we could see the class bonuses of a multitool at the space station, but they removed that. How can i still calclulate them manually to know if i found a good multitool?

[candid snow]

Red C-class royal tool (euclid)

[karmic hull]

So what's best to hunt S class? T3 economy or outlaw?

[tawdry siren]

Outlaw has better chance but I believe if still same have a lesser damage bonus than those in t3

[karmic hull]

dmg bonus? aren't those static per multitool type? i thought sentinel always had 50% and alien 35%

[tawdry siren]

If you look at the table, there is a scale, its up to those values, but in outlaw those top values or some im to understand are lower

[karmic hull]

how do u even check the dmg roll then? or all the rolls

[tawdry siren]

Dunno, I asked dhw earlier today that same question but he not replied yet

[karmic hull]

i see.. kinda wanna hunt for A or S alien tools with nice SC slots but not sure what to do for that

cuz for ships/freighters it's outlaw

[tawdry siren]

Dhw is probably best to explain, cause in reality I just know very little and he the goat of this kind of thing

You are probably best looking in regular t3 overall though

Is damage bonus chart

[karmic hull]

yeah i seen that

I just like the look of alien tools and they are quite balanced so

but ye would be nice to know how to check for the rolls cuz seems impossible

[tawdry siren]

Yer my main is a alien and personally I dont give an ass about stats as long as it kills sentinels when upgraded. But I know some people are

[karmic hull]

yeh i mean the alien gun rolls can't change as much

like sentinel can be 25-50 which is quite the difference

25-35 is whatever.. I care more about the SC slots/looks

[tawdry siren]

Tbh my multi tool hunting since I been back has been limited to checking station boxes while I hunt for ships

[karmic hull]

ehm yeah that was kinda what i was doing but even then i didn't know what to look for.. now i know how the space station cabinet affects all the system tools

[rocky skiff]

Rifles are fun

I tried my best to invest into making my multi tool a sniper

So primarily use the blaze javelin

[amber pawn]

Checking exact rolls equires save editor, but damage can be split into tiers of 5%. So an Alien MT stripped to unupgraded mining beam with a dmg bonus anywhere from 30.00% to 34.99% will show dmg potential 433.3

Anywhere from 25.00-25.99, dmg shows 416.7

[karmic hull]

so does it even matter if it's 30.01% or 34.99? if the dmg is the exact same? or does the dmg difference do something to upgrades weapons

[tawdry siren]

And s class in outlaw is still worse than s class in 3*?

[amber pawn]

@karmic hull No, which was my point. @tawdry siren 90% of the time, yes

[karmic hull]

i see.. so 1/2 chance to get a max roll one then.. guess i'll search for T3 economy

[amber pawn]

@karmic hull In t3 systems, natural S is always high tier dmg, upgraded always low

[karmic hull]

oh good to know

so basically new system > check station for A/S class > check planets for minor settlements?

[tawdry siren]

So this Sentinel Pistol is 48%?

[amber pawn]

@tawdry siren Yep

[tawdry siren]

ok

thats the 1 you linked before with the 2x2 sc

so good in damage and sc slots

So it has 11 mining bonus, how does that compare to regular mts with the mining beam and hijacked laser fitted?

So you get like 22% cause 2 beams?

[karmic hull]

wait my space station had S class but i find C class on planet xD thought it could only differ 1 class up and down on a system?

and it reloaded into an A class in the same cabinet? I'm confused now lol.. this goes against everything i heard on videos

[karmic hull]

I've seen every part change in the same cabinet.. class/slots/model

[glad wren]

S CLASS Sentinel Multitool Cabinet!
With All Superchargers Showing!
With Coordinates!
There is a Save Beacon and Base to Help Guide You
This starts as a S CLASS, No Need To Upgrade!
Reload at Space Station To Change Pistol Into Rifle
EUCLID
Enjoy!

[minor python]

@pulsar charm

the table i mentioned

[pulsar charm]

S class upgraded manually sentinel, so probably min damage

[tawdry siren]

Dunno, the 1 i upgraded from DHW post is 48%

[karmic hull]

k I'm actually clueless on how to look for s class alien tools

[amber pawn]

Sentinel and Royal MTs dont follow the same rules as other MTs, damage when upgraded to S is entirely seed dependent

@tawdry siren The Hijacked Laser + Mining Beam combo puts Sentinel MTs ahead of Pistols for mining.

[karmic hull]

it seems like it's 3-4x better than any other tool lol.. seems broken as fk

[cloud solar]

S Rifle with all 30 slots in space station (Elucid)

[knotty talon]

Has someone a sentinel Mt with this layout and a base damage from 490-900?

[warm steeple]

Why you gotta do me like that? Lolol

[karmic hull]

why can i only get 1 model from a planet :s

can a planet only have 1 multitool model

[karmic hull]

If you find a good looking tool at space station but C class. Can u also make that tool spawn in an S class cabinet on a planet? i only tried making planet tools spawn in space station

I guess u can only make it B class right

[warm steeple]

Each System has one model sentinel ship and multitool

[karmic hull]

that's just not true xd as far as multitools go

[warm steeple]

The sentinel multitool

[karmic hull]

well that's also not true you can get the pistol and rifle on the same planet. but i'm not looking for a sentinel tool

[warm steeple]

Wait wut. I read the ships were the same but found 4 of the same multis so I assumed they were the same too

[karmic hull]

you can even get it at the same cabinet if u reload

[minor condor]

Ooo my first weird tool

[molten wigeon]

Wtf is bro playing on

like one of those airplane tvs ?

The car ipads on the back of the chairs ??

[minor condor]

Steam deck :U

Cant do screenshots to discord so I gotta make do with phone lol

[molten wigeon]

Oh i c

[minor condor]

Well I probably could but that's way more effort than this (admittedly I was extra lazy on the quality for that one)

[minor python]

does the trick

[minor condor]

Am curious if I should keep it and upgrade or not but I'm probably gonna just look for something better looking

[minor python]

you can have multiple MTs so it's really upto you

[hybrid rose]

is this considered pistol or experimental?
I presume experimental

[minor condor]

The problem is how do I get rid of one's I don't want lol

[minor python]

exchange them for another multitool, presuming you know how to switch multitools

[compact verge]

is it possible to get dmg potential even higher for boltcaster?

[worthy kraken]

Is the damage bonus from alien and sentinel multitools really worth it? Like, fully upgraded scatter blaster on a rifle vs a sentinel MT, is it gonna be that much worse?

[rotund pumice]

It's an experimental pistol

[mint wing]

Experimental. And it will have experimental type bonus , not exp and pistol sadly.

[amber pawn]

@worthy kraken A maxed Sentinel MT will deal roughly double the damage a Rifle is capable of

[vale merlin]

i gotta get me one of those

can you re roll MTs at harmonic camps?

[amber pawn]

No, MTs cannot be rerolled, one can only scout different cabinets

[rotund pumice]

you have experimental riffles too

but maybe there is no difference between then

[amber pawn]

@rotund pumice MTs only get bonuses of a single type, so Experimental pistol/rifle both get Experimental bonuses. The problem is the community decided to use Pistol/Rifle as both a type of MT, and to describe the size of all MTs. 😒

[rotund pumice]

stupid

XD

i was talking about the size, but i see what's the deal

we should call the MT type pistol/riffle as standard/advanced

since riffle size MT have a bit more inventory

so when i'm looking for a standard, it's the basic MT who look like a pistol , see what i mean?

[gleaming stream]

We need to push smol and beeeeg descriptors to the masses

[amber pawn]

I wouldnt call rifles advanced, aside from slots theyre pretty trashy

@gleaming stream This I could get behind, or t1-3 like ships

Cant forget "smg" size

[dense mulch]

Small experimentals, medium experimentals, big experimentals. This is better than experimental pistol and experimental rifle when we already have pistols and rifles.

[rotund pumice]

we only have 2 experimental MT

[dense mulch]

An example

[scarlet steeple]

B Class (native C) but if you like the skin it's here

[amber pawn]

Yeah, midsize is confined to Alien and Rifle types

[karmic hull]

but both sentinel tools can have the same amount of slots anyway no? it's just cosmetic

[amber pawn]

Yes size makes no difference on Sentinel mts

[winter python]

you can take a screen shot with the deck and upload it, then send the link from the phone. an extra step or 2 but better results 😉

[minor condor]

Hmmm I guess that could work. Steam screen shot, then get it from mobile steam?

[winter python]

yeah

[minor condor]

Oh that doesn't sound like a lot of work at all, thanks!

[winter python]

or fire up discord in desktop mode

[karmic hull]

I can't get boltcaster dmg higher xD

2x2 SC is that much better huh

[karmic hull]

how do u even get 30k? what stats do u want on upgrades

[compact verge]

i think its because all my x upgrades have fire rate bonus included

[karmic hull]

yeh only 1 of mine does.. probably massive difference lol

u want these then?

well reload time seems horrible

[compact verge]

perfect stats possible: 2 damage
20 fire rate
20 burst cooldown
2 shots per burst
25 reload time
10 clip size

[karmic hull]

hmm but which 4/6 out of those xD i'd prob skip reload

[compact verge]

ideally you want fire rate, damage, burst cooldown, shots per burst

[karmic hull]

yeah thought so

[amber pawn]

Dmg fire rate and shots per burst, then cooldown or clip size - either results in same DP

Reload results in lower DP

[karmic hull]

lmao alright

ye honestly really learned to love boltcaster

[amber pawn]

But thats just numbers, doesnt truly reflect combat effectiveness well

[compact verge]

it would be crazy to be able to one burst a sentinel bur with mine rn they go down like 80% of their hp in one burst

[karmic hull]

yeh ofcourse DP isn't everything but things like reload don't seem that impactful to me either way.. reloads in a blink anyway

[amber pawn]

My boltcaster can 1 -burst Sentinels

[compact verge]

oh really

[karmic hull]

mine already does

[compact verge]

also the reinforced normal ones

[amber pawn]

Day 1 player lol

[karmic hull]

the fk

[amber pawn]

Day 1 players have Boltcaster SM blueprint

[karmic hull]

wait what's the C class upgrade

[compact verge]

yeah also dont have it lol

[serene marsh]

how do yall get the question mark mods

[narrow python]

Salvaged glass from sentinels

[pulsar charm]

wtf how?

[amber pawn]

@pulsar charm Boltcaster with SM blueprint, perfect SC layout, and max Alien Dmg - a Sentinel MT could hit 56k.

[tawdry siren]

35k with pulse splitter

but "only" 48% damage bonus instead of 50

[amber pawn]

Same difference, anything from 45.00-49.99% yields identical damage potential.

MT damage is split into tiers of 5%, with 16.6667 DP the difference between tiers stripped to unupgraded Mining Beam

So a Pistol at any Class has 333.3, Rifles with 15-19.99% have 383.3, Expers with 20-24.99% have 400.0, Aliens at 30.00-34.99% have 433.3, and Sentinel at 45.00-49.99% have 483.3

Theoretically each of these types can roll a perfect dmg and actually go 1 dmg tier higher, but no example of this has ever been discovered ingame, or at least not been recognized for what it was.

[scarlet steeple]

S Class (reload at location)

[minor python]

Damn, that's exactly what I'm looking for xD

[compact verge]

is there any way of getting the sm module now?

[gleaming stream]

Using save editor or mods

[brazen drift]

SM module?

[gleaming stream]

Boltcaster SM upgrade

A unique module that was given to day 1 players

[pulsar charm]

Thoughts on blaze javelin?

[compact verge]

does anyone know a location for sentinel multitool with the perfect shape for boltcaster with sm blueprint

[pale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFziuOyeGNY

[compact verge]

thanks

[pale vapor]

its in Eissentam. i did actually pick this up at one point but i don't think i have it anymore so i cant check if the core stat is good.

[amber pawn]

@pale vapor Slightly better than an Alien MT, 2 tiers below max for Sentinels

[pale vapor]

and this one top left is boltcaster layout if you dont have the SM blueprint
#nms-multitools message

[compact verge]

yea just used save editor

[rotund pumice]

X class for the boltcaster is pain

so many "good" ones, and so little actualy good ones

[compact verge]

yeah I thought fork it, might as well dupe some modules, took me over 100 for one that is "somewhat good" that I duped also

[rotund pumice]

well, same, and the result was meh, surpercharging the sentinels module was way better, so i stopped trying to get a somewhat nice X class

[compact verge]

the last solution would be to mod but at that point you might as well cheat everything

[rotund pumice]

if not like you need that 50k damage weapon

around 25k you're done

[compact verge]

but its more fun one tapping them sentinels like flies

[rotund pumice]

no, we need the bug sprayer

AKA the Hot Sensation

AKA the Melter

AKA the FRICKING FLAME THROWER

am i clear enough?

[compact verge]

hahhaha

sure ik what you mean

[rotund pumice]

XD

btw does the damage potential still apply to all the MT weapons?

like a 30k bolt caster increase the damage of all other weapons?

[compact verge]

every weapon has their own damage potential I think, so it should be showing the one with the highest potential on the top right

might be wrong tho, i'm not so much into the subject

[rotund pumice]

well, ima need to check

i'm really looking to use the neutron canon again :/

[fossil path]

Anyone want the location of an s class sentinel multitool? I will however need you to unlock the cabinet for me because it's bugged

And I would like to grab it as well

[amber pawn]

@compact verge @rotund pumice This is correct, DP is distinct and separate for different weapons on same MT.

You can package the various base techs to check DP for most individual techs. The exceptions are Blaze Javelin and Launchers, these have no DP calculation to display.

BoltSM>Scatter>Pulse>Bolt>Neutron>MiningBeam for DP

So to see the DP of a tech, pack up every base tech left of it in that list

[rain ruin]

So will the MT be S class straight out of the cabinet or do I need to continue to reload to roll for S? I've just been to this one and its only C class?

[scarlet steeple]

S Class (reload at location)

[rotund pumice]

well, thx ^^, but that mean i will never have the opportunity to use the neutron cannon again :/

[soft dove]

So someone showed a similar multitool yesterday and was thinking if it was actually alien, despite the game saying it's sentinel. This said it's also sentinel; is it right?

[heady pond]

Looks like every alien multitool to me

[soft dove]

Curious

[pulsar charm]

Does anyone have coordinates to a S class red and gold royal multitool in the Euclid galaxy pls help

[gleaming raptor]

Doesn't exist, they come in A-Class at best.

[pulsar charm]

Oh

I see

Well

A class

Does anyone have coordinates to

Pls

[gleaming raptor]

Just FYI, you can go to any A-Class and there's a good chance that reloading on one of the planets in the system may make it red and gold, even if it's not now (reloading on other planets changes the colours for these).

[pulsar charm]

I know this

I have watched tutorials

On how to get them

In all the colors

I just want one that spawns as it's higher class

I found a system that has a royal but the thing is I have reloaded on every planet and it's always a different combo but never red and gold

;-;

And Its kinda hard to tell what color they are because of a visual glitch that keeps happening

Its very annoying

[daring ivy]

Hey guys, I'm full of multitools, when I find a new one it only gives me the option to exchange it, does this mean I will exchange the one I'm currently using (my main) or does it give me the option to pick which one I want to exchange? cause I have a few C class that I just picked thinking I could sell them and I don't want to lose my best one and "start from zero" again

[gleaming stream]

You can exchange only the MT you have currently equipped

[daring ivy]

oh that sucks, I guess I should change it before I talk with NPC's or interact with the damaged pods etc

thanks anyway

[obtuse pivot]

If u just switch it to a different one and you’ll be good

[onyx oar]

is there a guide or visual for the new and different sentinel multitools?

[gleaming stream]

There are only 2 models

Both of them featured in patch notes for Interceptor update

[strange wraith]

You have to go to other galaxies than euclid? or you mean you have to get them from sentinel towers?

[gleaming raptor]

The highest class Royal you can find in any sentinel tower anywhere in the game is A-Class at best.

Doesn't matter what galaxy.

[amber pawn]

@gleaming raptor Now you have me wondering how that was applied, because I know of places where other "universal" mechanics don't actually get applied.

[strange wraith]

Oh, so you can never find S class period? Have to upgrade?

[gleaming raptor]

Yep, according to everything I've ever heard.

[gleaming raptor]

Honestly, this game is basically just a bundle of algorithms fighting each other, lol. Surprises me that anything works sometimes.

[amber pawn]

@gleaming raptor To me, that's a feature - the clashing code injects more unpredictability to the universe. Sometimes subtle, other times screaming loud; players cry about the immersion-breaking illogic and wacky physics, but the flaws are what truly accentuates the genius and beauty of the game.

[amber bramble]

Im sure this has been asked before, but im at an S-Tool with a friend, if i grab it, does that mean he cant grab it while we are playing together?

[gleaming stream]

Yup, you should go in separate game instances

And with multiplayer turned off prior to arriving at the system

[amber bramble]

Good to know.. its just he cant get here without me lol.

[gleaming stream]

Maybe they can build a base in that system, then teleport to it later with multiplayer off

[amber bramble]

Does everyone here switch between weapons depending on what they are doing EX: Mining, fighting... or do you just use one good weapon all the time?

[gleaming stream]

If you ask about whether we swap between different multitools, then I'd say no

I have one for all mining, scanning and combat purposes

I do switch between different weapon systems

Boltcaster for Sentinels, Neutron Cannon for biological threads

When when collecting Larval Cores

[amber bramble]

Yes, i mean the tool itself, not the systems within.

[gleaming stream]

We can have up to 60 tech slots in one multitool

So plenty of space to install everything and not bother with swapping

[amber bramble]

I see, i thought 30 was the max.

So what is considerd the best multi tool then.

[minor condor]

The best you can find, because there are a ton of variations for a lot of things in nms

[gleaming stream]

In terms of damage, prolly the new Sentinel multitools

But they suck for mining

Alien and experimental MTs are popular as well

[minor condor]

You'll probably never find "the best" but you can find "pretty darn good" quite often

[minor condor]

How come? I genuinely dont know cuz I'm only like 100 hours in. Is it because they can't use normal mining tool upgrades or something?

[gleaming stream]

Sentinel MTs can use regular mining beam upgrades

They just have a very low mining bonus

To the point it's better to install both Mining Laser and Hijacked Laser on them

[minor condor]

Hah I was about to say "because they're designed that way?" and I guess the answer is yes

Oh the hijacked laser just sucks by default? That kinda makes sense by its description

[amber pawn]

@gleaming stream @minor condor Actually for now theyre the best at Mining, because you can add Mining Beam to Hijacked Laser

[minor condor]

Plot twist! Accidentally better

[gleaming stream]

As in: you gotta install 2x the standard tech, then it's 2x better

[amber bramble]

Yeah, i was about to say if you add both.. I accidently added the normal lazer and it became ridiculous

[gleaming stream]

By default they suck

[amber pawn]

Set one up now in case HG disables it - they wont edit mts already built, but they may stop further creation of exploited MTs

[gleaming stream]

Yeah I put both MT and HJ like you instructed me to do one time

WIth layout optimized for mining speed

[amber pawn]

All you players who say "I wish Incinerator, or SM", take heed - this may be a moment new players in 6 months look back at and say "I wish...."

[gleaming stream]

Lol, I have no problems with realizing "whelp, there is this tech that I wont be able to get because..." and going on with my life

I have a fancy Sentinel MT, it beats the crap outta my previous one, what more do I need

[minor condor]

I don't even know what incinerator or sm is :3

[gleaming stream]

Incinerator is the flamethrower weapon system

That was present in the game for short time with the Desolation update

[minor condor]

But was op so it was disabled lol?

[gleaming stream]

Boltcaster SM is a blueprint for Boltcaster weapon that is available to day 1 players

Dunno, never owned it. Not OP, prolly not finished

[amber bramble]

Umm, WTH, i followed the S-Class Sentinel tool guide thing and when i get to it, i cant get it...

[minor condor]

Did you do the little camp "puzzle" to unlock it?

[amber bramble]

Its already done, i can find the ship, but i cant unlock the gun. There is no option for the puzzle

[minor condor]

You should be able to search memories on the computer then put in 3 glyphs, which are numbered the same as the 3 math problems from the memories

[amber bramble]

I know that, ive done it a bunch of times, there is no option to enter the numbers in.

I looked at the memory to get the numbers, but theres no where to put them in.

[minor condor]

Have you visited that spot before?

[amber bramble]

and im not in multi player.

Nope, never

\

[minor condor]

Try reloading the game once or twice?

Might be an unfortunately broken location, I've come across 1 or 2 of them too.

[amber bramble]

Yeah, looked at other posts for this location, others have the same issue

[tidal yoke]

I've had that issue before. The camp works like normal, but then I exit the game and reload and can no longer unlock the multi-tool.

[minor condor]

Now that you mention it I bet that's what happened to at least one of my harmonic camps cuz sometimes late at night I'll almost fall asleep while playing and be like "I'm gonna save before doing this camp and start tomorrow night with it"

[obsidian yarrow]

is there a way to see your coords while flying in ur ship??

[slender cargo]

Yeah from the inside

[gleaming raptor]

In first person, look down and left a little. It's on the dash.

[obsidian yarrow]

OOOOH I'm dumb lmao I always fly third person thanks yall

[amber bramble]

Whats the best weapon mod, i keep using bolt caster for the most part

[minor condor]

I personally like the semi auto shotgun one. The scatter blaster.

The geology cannon is also kinda neat for large targets but generally I prefer the shotgun. It just works well

[amber pawn]

@amber bramble I have a long-held belief in the Plasma Launcher. Nothing is as effective across the board.

[tidal yoke]

The boltcaster on the sentinel multitool. You can make it very strong since you can add three additional mods for it.

[amber pawn]

Ive cleared wave 5 Sentinels on max difficulty in <20s with my precious lol

[strange wraith]

Is plasma launcher the same weapon that the mech EXOcraft has?

[amber pawn]

No

[slender lake]

is the sentinel multitool the best one to use? i have a rifle i can upgrade to s

currently using an s class normal rifle

[frosty frost]

Sentinels seem to be the best

[rotund pumice]

best for damages

[mint wing]

they are best in terms of dmg

[rotund pumice]

look at the pins for more details

[scarlet steeple]

Alien tools are still more than adequate damage while adding diversity (they are not the same bland thing). I shred normal sentinels with the alien multi tool and farm corrupted sentinels with my ship in pirate systems. The sentinel tools have better mining because they can have two mining lasers which is unclear "intended" or "might be patched". However, I really don't mine anymore (on survival) except for radiant shards and the difference is maybe a second or two. I use my ship to mine or purchase all the other materials in bulk. Therefore, what is best may depend on more than splitting hairs on maximizing damage.

[rotund pumice]

sentinels MT can have 2 mining beams? WTF

[amber pawn]

@rotund pumice They come with Hijacked Laser, a Mining Beam analogue; but since it's not actually the same tech, the game doesnt prevent you from installing a Mining Beam on MT that has Hijacked Laser, net effect 2x Mining Beam

[rotund pumice]

bruh

patch incoming

[scarlet steeple]

You can mine with a positron ejector or infra-knife on your ship and get exponentially more stuff than any mining tool in the game. It's not a big deal

[amber pawn]

@scarlet steeple While accurate, tis an incomplete reply. After all, you cant really farm things like Curious Deposits in a ship.

[scarlet steeple]

true, but shoot corrupt sentinels pirate systems with your ship and refine the mirrors. then compare the output to curious deposits. also buy tech and arms from pirate dealer, open and sell for 4,000 nanites... you can also do this with minor settlements on the planet you are farming mirrors

anyway, just trying to add an alternative voice of reason regarding the sentinel tools. If you like them and they match your play style then great

[rotund pumice]

well, i grabed a riffle like sentinel MT because i love the look of it, but i'm mostly using my royal MT

[amber pawn]

@scarlet steeple Oh, I wasnt arguing with you, au contraire, had the same intent as you, not correcting, pooling together info into a more complete answer. 🙂

[scarlet steeple]

this is legit using dissonant pirate systems and no multi tool of any kind

[rotund pumice]

au contraire?

Xd

[amber pawn]

@rotund pumice on the contrary

[scarlet steeple]

I did not take it as an argument... just the patch changed a bunch of what we know

[rotund pumice]

french detected

opinion respected

Hello fellow french

[amber pawn]

Lol, Ontarian, I mostly use mangled French sarcastically or ironically, but still happy to know ya. XD

[rotund pumice]

sad arkane noise :/

[amber pawn]

There's 2 kinds of Ontarians: ones who like poking fun at Quebecois, and ones who actually harbour irrational dislike of them, so you did as well with me as you couldve. 😄

[rotund pumice]

so, what kind are you?

kind kind? or hater kind?

[amber pawn]

The former, as I thought I implied - I dont care to waste my energy on harbouring useless negative emotion.

[rotund pumice]

Well, nice to meet ya ^^

[scarlet steeple]

you folks take it easy... and cheers to multi tools and all their diversity. I like hunting them

[rotund pumice]

well, i was wondering something

[amber pawn]

And you as well, though we've informally met in at least a couple convos - youve been around a while now.

[rotund pumice]

can you play the game without any MT?

[amber pawn]

No

[rotund pumice]

sure?

[amber pawn]

The game will force one with a joke weapon on you before allowing that lol

[rotund pumice]

because you can still walk if you need ressources

yea, but you can never use it

like discharge everything

and let him rest forever

[scarlet steeple]

you need one... but alien, experimental or sentinel... they are all more than viable

[rotund pumice]

you walk to get the materials for the first quest (getting your ship working)

[rotund pumice]

take the one you like the most

[amber pawn]

Ohhh, yes you can choose to play without MT use, though you may wanna allow melee

[rotund pumice]

one upgraded they are all potent

[amber pawn]

I thought you literally meant playing empty handed

[rotund pumice]

why? you can also sneak around, play smart and if you need to deal damage, just take the big gun on your ship

[rotund pumice]

not possible without mods

btw i have a silly question, but not for MTs

[amber pawn]

Yeah thats what I was saying. And allowing melee isnt for combat, its to prevent you getting trapped for lack of resources.

[rotund pumice]

yep

but hey, someone did a playthrought without any ship so idk

[amber pawn]

Yeah but most "challenge playthroughs" end up needing to compromise in at least 1 spot if the goal is either story completion or core jumping.

[rotund pumice]

yep :/

[pulsar charm]

bruh i'm from quebec

[amber pawn]

@pulsar charm Are ya gonna try and tell me you never poke fun at Ontarians? Lol

[pulsar charm]

we don't

we're neighbours after all

[amber pawn]

Cmon now, we've had a mostly amicable rivalry going back over a century

[pulsar charm]

...yeah, but Quebecers do not hate ontarians, "au contraire" xD

🤣

[amber pawn]

I never said I hated Quebecers, nor even that the average Ontarian does.

[pulsar charm]

same for us, we dont dislike nor make bad jokes on ontarians

[amber pawn]

Youre the first Quebecer Ive ever met who wouldnt engage in friendly mutual mockery. Shall remember that tis not something you enjoy so I dont try to rib you in the future.

[rotund pumice]

one thing to say : French Speaking Peoples, ASSEMBLE!

[pulsar charm]

Yes, mon ami!

[rotund pumice]

allons créer un hub FR de NMS

[pulsar charm]

ou continuons cette discussion dans #off-topic-bond-james-bond

xD

[coarse horizon]

looking for this one

anyone knows?

[severe monolith]

It’s a very basic type just try to jump into other galaxies I bet you’ll find it eventually

[brazen drift]

Also check nmsce.com, someone might have posted what u are looking for

[minor python]

A good bet is to reverse Google search it for instant results

[rare jackal]

If I find an S class multi-tool
Will it be S class across all platforms and all game modes

So if I play survival can a normal mode player see it.

[gleaming stream]

Yup, MT cabinets have fixed class

The model inside can change depending on where player has loaded the game

[rare jackal]

What's a good S class

[gleaming stream]

Resulting in different MT pool being loaded in

[rare jackal]

Is this a decent Multi-tool still new to the game

[amber pawn]

@rare jackal Clustered SC slots, Sentinel, Alien, or Pistol

[gleaming stream]

Any MT can be viable once upgraded

[rare jackal]

Comes with 2 super charge

[gleaming stream]

Hard to judge based on limited inventory, because we don't see all SC slots

[amber pawn]

Comes with 4, 2 unrevealed

[gleaming stream]

WE don't know what kinda upgrades you will install on it

So don't fret over it, anything will work well

[rare jackal]

I don't either as I am new and maybe regretting play survival as first play through haha

[scarlet steeple]

what your learn from the experience is more important than the actual save. do not regret the learning process

[rare jackal]

It just seems getting resources is a bit harder and storms murder you. I do believe it'll get easier as I upgrade more

[clear bramble]

I've got a sentinel MT I've taken it to S class but when digging terrain the silicate that it gather is really so few... to achieve 1k it takes a lot of time, it's about mining upgrades?

[dry lichen]

The terrain manipulator is separate from the mining beam and receives no special bonus based on the type of multitool.

[glad wren]

https://youtu.be/S3YsZ9QSMbI

[amber pawn]

@dry lichen Untrue, Mining bonus/speed affects how quickly the terrain manipulator ticks.

[dry lichen]

Thanks!

[clear bramble]

Thank you 🍻

[amber bramble]

can someone explain how the left gun has a much higher damage potential when its empty and a B class?

[gleaming stream]

Maybe the Mining Beam also provides some damage?

Normally Sentinel MTs spawn with Hijacked Laser only

Putting regular Mining Beam next to it gives it adjacency bonus

That is just my theory

[amber bramble]

Yeah, i accidently put it on, but man what a difference it made lol

yeah, thats what it was, i put a mining beam on the new one and now its over 1200

[open forge]

Hilbert

Outlaw station

[compact verge]

you need to make the sc layout visible

[half gust]

Anyone have coordinates for S tier raffle

[open forge]

The what?

[open forge]

Raffle?

[tawdry siren]

Whats the Prize?? 😆

[pulsar charm]

anyone know where any royal multi tools are? or best place to find them

[dry lichen]

The only place to find them is a sentinel pillar

If you search Royal in this channel, I'm sure there are a few

[pulsar charm]

do any cartographer charts lead you to one? or only salvaged glass

[dry lichen]

Glass, or defeating a level 5 on planet

[compact verge]

supercharged slots

[granite jetty]

Just landed at pirate station and found this.

[peak shore]

Hey all. I don't know much about multitools, so any advice would be most helpful. For the longest time I've used a B tier one with tons of tech slots. It served it's purpose well, so I never bothered much trying to find better.
However, I came across this recently and couldn't resist trading it. Terrible tier, but that can be improved so it's not an issue.
I'm mainly just wondering if it's rare or worth keeping?

[mint wing]

Read pins

[peak shore]

Oh sweet. My apologies for not noticing it sooner.

[mint wing]

Np.

[peak shore]

Okay so based on the chart they’re not the best but they’re not bad either.

[mint wing]

Royal is good for scaning

[river crystal]

Is it true that all Royals found in the wild are C Class?

Like - it's literally impossible to find a Royal above C Class ever, you need to upgrade them

[river crystal]

Also - is this multi tool you shared actually white when you use it? The icons when you buy them show up as gray but I think that this is the white variant so Idk

[mint wing]

Light is wierd in nms sometimes

[river crystal]

Yeah, that's why I wanna be sure because I wanna know for sure if I'll get a white and gold when I see this xddd

[peak shore]

Yes, it’s white and gold.

[amber pawn]

@river crystal White, grey, whatever you call it, there is only the singular monochromatic royal colour.

[umbral kestrel]

They can go up to A class

I found mine in the wild as an A class from someone's coordinates they shared here a while ago

[tidal yoke]

Is there any special place to look for Royals? Or is it just RNG at stations and outposts?

[granite jetty]

Royals can be found at sentinel pillars. You need to either have a boundary map, defeat them at level 5, or stumble across one randomly.

And if you do go to a pillar, it's not guaranteed. But don't forget to shut them down. You'll get combat supplies from the locals guarding it. And then the 3 gensets are destructible and give stuff too.

[tidal yoke]

Well, at least I'll have a use for all the nav data I've been collecting.

[umbral kestrel]

Yeah, they are more likely to appear at pillars than anywhere else

[amber pawn]

Lol, Royal MTs cannot be obtained anywhere else

[river crystal]

That makes sense, I asked because I could swear I saw some Reddit posts of brand new A Class Royals, so I didn't know if they secretely upgraded them or if that can happen

[tawdry siren]

I posted some a while back at Native A class, but Ive only seen them in a pirate system, so I dont know if that effects stats

[umbral kestrel]

Oh

[umbral kestrel]

Yeah thanks for posting them, I used them a bit back

[pulsar charm]

is there any way to get free multitools like you can with ships? cause all im finding is like c class that i have to buy

[tidal yoke]

Sentinel multitools are free at the camps. But they require repairing to have room for mods.

Also there are some inhabited buildings where you might get a free multitool from the alien in it. But you have to answer a riddle correctly first.

[minor python]

Also Sentinel Towers have tools

Some of the crashed ships can give MTs

[glad wren]

You can get a Free one from your Weapons Tech mission. Do his bidding and he will reward you with a free Multitool

[pulsar charm]

wait weapon tech mission?

any specific logo for it?

[glad wren]

I'm probably using the wrong mission name. It one of the base missions where you hire a Weapons Tech

[pulsar charm]

oh i havent got that far in the base mission

what rarity is that multitool?

[glad wren]

After finishing the missions he gives you, he will reward you with a free MT usually a C Class, but it is Free

[glad wren]

Very common as it is a mission reward, everyone can get it

[pulsar charm]

ah fair

[glad wren]

It is free like the OP asked for

[languid bison]

what are good s class multitool?

[tawdry siren]

sentinel 1

[gleaming stream]

Any S class multitool will be more than viable once upgraded

Some just have better positions of SC slots, which allow player to crank the stats to 21

[pale vapor]

after you have finished his missions he will offer you a new tool each day selected from the current planets pool that you have loaded. if you are in a T3 system its possible you can get an A or S class from him

so yeah once you get that far you can check in on him each day until he offers a higher class tool. when he finaly offers an A or S class to you if you dont accept it then keep warping to different systems he will offer you a different one each time.

[glad wren]

I did not know that! Thank you very much!!

[amber pawn]

@pale vapor There's a little strangeness with the Armourer, the Class they offer isnt always consistent, ie I had a day where they offered S Class in all T3 systems, but A Class everywhere else, including T2 and Outlaw

[still pollen]

Euclid, found this when i flew into the space station

[night berry]

Anyone know the location of a royal multi tool?

[granite jetty]

Nothing specific. Just check as many sentinel pillars as you can.

You might find something on the exchange but you're gonna have to scroll for it.

[amber pawn]

@night berry Scroll back in this channel or search it for royal

[river crystal]

Hello I'm looking for a gun sentinel multi-tool in S class. I found the rifle variant, but I struggle to find anyone giving cords for the gun variant. Does anyone have any?

I got it in A, but I would rather find an S one than spend my life savings in nanites on upgrading it xd

[pliant hamlet]

My weapon has 33k damage. That's good?

Can I do even more?

[amber pawn]

Depends on SC layout and dmg bonus

[pliant hamlet]

What is this SC layout?

[amber pawn]

Supercharged slot positions

[pliant hamlet]

4

I set the X weapon upgrade on all of them

that is - on one weapon module and on the other 3 upgrades

[amber pawn]

Not #, where they are

[pliant hamlet]

Aa

Away from each other

[amber pawn]

You can use X's and O's if you ever need to describe without a screenshot, ie
OOOOXOOOOO
OOOXOXOOOO
OOOXOOOOOO

[pliant hamlet]

ok, ok wait