https://wisprflow.ai/use-cases/github

[quaint minnow]

@dreamy star yeah I love it. But feel like someone must have an OSS solution. I might just subscribe for a few months while I find an alternative

[dreamy star]

It's just really one of those products that's so good I tell everybody I know about it

[quaint minnow]

@left field that looks really nice. Oddly similar to Wispr including the logo lol. Are you affiliated with that rec?

Yeah I ran out of free credit and used the Apple speech to text and it was so much worse than Wispr @dreamy star

[dreamy star]

So the last Apple computer that I used was the Apple IIe

And I just dictated that to Wispr Flow and it formatted it perfectly. Wow go Wispr Flow! But anyways no, I use iOS for absolutely everything else so I've been thinking about getting a Mini Mac just for Clawdbot to dwell in.

[quaint minnow]

But $20 for ChatGPT, $20 for Claude, $10 for minimax. All my subs are starting to add up!

[dreamy star]

Okay why are people paying for MiniMax?... This is literally the only server where I've ever heard anybody say that it's anything other than awful.

And I mean, facts are facts. It cannot play Snake. https://arc.markbarney.net/worm-arena/models?model=minimax%2Fminimax-m2.1

[quaint minnow]

I’ve been using it as my main driver for clawdbot. And I use beads for project management on everything I’ve been give coding. Minimax is good for that too.

I’m just trying to conserve Codex and Claude limits for writing code.

[dreamy star]

Yeah I'm a project manager so that's like the meta game for me: managing my usage on $20 of Codex and $20 of Claude and then whatever I blow on OpenRouter or whatever playing Snake

I know people get amazing results using Opus 4.5 for everything but that's just not financially sustainable for most of us mere mortals 😄

Well here's the thing: if you have an OpenAI API key and you're kind enough to share your data with them, you get something like a million free tokens of GPT-5-Mini and GPT-5 Nano every day

[quaint minnow]

I love clawdbot with opus. Personality is so much better. But stupid expense for most of the stuff I need a PA to do. It can just kick off codex or Claude for other stuff

[dreamy star]

There's an unbelievable amount you can get done with a million free tokens of GPT-5-Mini and it's not gonna be terrible

[quaint minnow]

Oh wow. That’s probably a pretty good main driver

Is that one of those undocumented usage limits?

Maybe I’ll setup an openAI account just for clawdbot…

Once you have a PA setup with your skills and access I feel like you really don’t need a very large model

[dreamy star]

Yep I have to dig into it to find where the setting is, but I have like ten bucks on an API key for pretty much every LLM provider, just because some of them offer some kind of discounts or whatever from time to time

Like for a few months DeepSeek had this bizarre thing where tokens were like 40% cheaper between, I think, 6pm and 3am for my time zone

[quaint minnow]

Odd. That’s like developer witching hours. Where all devs are hacking away

[dreamy star]

I haven't personally hooked it up to anything but Nemotron 3 seems very very capable, lightning fast, and free so I'm really not sure why people aren't experimenting with it nvidia/nemotron-3-nano-30b-a3b:free

[dreamy star]

I think the time zone made sense for China. I don't quite remember what it was exactly but I did find it funny

[quaint minnow]

I haven’t used anything from Nvidia yet

[dreamy star]

Like I get a minimum 200 tokens per second with that model, the free tier on OpenRouter, which is ridiculous

Compare that with 2 TPS for GLM 4.7, between 12 and 20 TPS for things like DeepSeek and Minimax, and then 100 to 150 TPS for Gemini models

[quaint minnow]

Have you tried OpenCode zen? Supposedly an open router competition

[dreamy star]

I mean we're all using stuff from Nvidia 😄

[quaint minnow]

Ha yeah one way or another

[dreamy star]

Not heard of it. Is it like a Claude code clone, like Kilo code or RooCode or CodeBuff?

[quaint minnow]

Yeah

But they are also starting to try to give out curated access to models. I guess some inference mechanisms on openeouter are not all setup the same

So I guess they try to give you better access to the same models you would get on openrouter but they test them someone

Seems like you would know more about that topic than me lol

I use AWS bedrock sometimes. And I swear their models seemed a little better than when I have occasionally used OpenRouter. Idk why. But probably sometime to do with what OpenCode is trying to do with Zen.

(I’m non-affiliated just an AI nerd)

[dreamy star]

I guess I've just used a lot of models last year 😄

[dreamy star]

Oh in what way? I mean I know that they have the exacto models, which are supposed to be tuned for tool calls. I'm kind of surprised people haven't been using GPT-OSS-120B with the exacto variety with Clawdbot.

[left field]

nope i just found it one day on twitter haha. if it aint broke ...

[quaint minnow]

Eh idk how to describe. I think I had originally used cline with opus via openeouter. Then I switched to Claude Code through bedrock. Could have been the hardness. 🤷‍♂️

[dreamy star]

I mean I'm kind of a normie. Like at some point last year around this time, I figured out, "Oh wait, I can hook this up to an IDE? I know what that is."

Like I know what VS code is and so thus making the leap to cursor and then to the cheaper version of cursor, Windsurf was not very difficult

Then it's just a whole rabbit hole of spinning up multiple terminals and multiple Claudes and multiple Codexes and multiple free models through Windsurf.

[quaint minnow]

I was really big into cursor for a year. Now CLI is king for me.

[dreamy star]

For fifteen bucks a month on Windsurf you'll get 500 credits, which is whatever, but they give you an incredible amount of free access to models like GPT-5.1-Codex and stuff the pricing is literally insane.

[quaint minnow]

Although I mostly still use cursor for work bc I think working in bigger projects requires a bit more planning that’s a little easier to do in a UI

Is windsurf still relevant? lol surprised they’re still around

Wonder how long anti gravity will last. I’ve heard they have some generous free tiers too

[dreamy star]

It's honestly everything that Cursor has and a little bit more, and way cheaper. I don't understand why more people don't use it

Like the code maps feature is free for paid plans so I make code maps of literally everything

[quaint minnow]

That’s pretty cool