users-helping-users

[junior acorn]

It’s a difficult problem to solve in 1 answer. It requires some troubleshooting tbh

It timesout because ur claw isn’t understanding what tools to use to achieve heartbeats

[karmic sierra]

known issue

[junior acorn]

Okay. What plan are you on? If you’re running into limit issues you just need to upgrade your plan or be better at communicating your ideas to LLMs

[karmic sierra]

people go to openclaw they have known issues there

its a handshake path issue taking too long

there is a work around

openclaw config set gateway.handshakeTimeoutMs 30000
openclaw config set cli.defaultTimeoutMs 60000
openclaw gateway restart

inbcrease gateway handshake timeout

copy that pate in to terminal, restatrt see if fixes

[errant jolt]

Just wanted to say thank you @karmic sierra

[karmic sierra]

this is what is being said "CLI-to-gateway handshake path is taking too long to complete, causing the connection to time out (often throwing a gateway closed (1000) error) before the heartbeat can successfully relay its status. The gateway itself is actually up, but the connection route the heartbeat uses is broken." they saying it not me

i'm just here trying to find a damn physchiatrist,

[pseudo oyster]

Thanks I believe I tried something similar before I'll tell you how it goes

[karmic sierra]

if that does not work, try opencloaw doctor

if fails, i'm telling you go use your LLM, if you dont have one come to me i will use mine and relay the outpt.

[errant jolt]

Who knew a handshake could be too quick😮

[ancient jungle]

both keys are not recognized

[pseudo oyster]

Already did, it complains about my disk being an SD card but that's a problem for later

[tall meteor]

I created a script which creates OC CLI reference documentation in markdown.
I paste the generated markdown into ChatGPT or Claude, and it helps a TON with answering questions on how to set up and configure OpenClaw through the command line.

[pseudo oyster]

That's what I spent 2 hours doing before going here. The last thread I was chasing, down before deciding to just ask, was that it might be an IP 4 IP 6 issue.

[tall meteor]

I have to remove backticks so it displays right

[smoky fulcrum]

What is the correct place for AGENTS.md, AGENT.md, SOUL.md, IDENTITY.md etc in a multi agent workspace?

I have copies of the files in /agents/<name>/, /agents/<name>/agent, and /workspace-<name> and they all appear to be updated independently based on how the agent is feeling when i give them instruction.

[boreal hollow]

Hey, I'm having an issue with WhatsApp outbound sends after re-linking via QR. Inbound works fine and the agent replies to messages normally, but any proactive send via the message tool fails immediately with 'Error: No active WhatsApp Web listener (account: default)'. Logs show the inbound listener starts correctly on boot, but outbound just doesn't work. I've tried channels logout/login (QR scanned, credentials saved), multiple gateway restarts, and doctor shows everything as linked and connected. OpenClaw 2026.3.13, Node v25.6.1, Ubuntu VPS, systemd user service. Anyone seen this before? 🙁

[tall meteor]

Here's the OC CLI reference markdown generator so you can paste it in ChatGPT/Claude and get better help

#!/bin/bash
# Generate a clean OpenClaw CLI reference document without the headers
OUTPUT="openclaw_cli_reference.md"
B='`'
BTICK="${B}${B}${B}"

# Terminal Status Message
echo "🦞 OpenClaw CLI Reference Generator"
echo "Generating documentation, please wait..."

echo "# OpenClaw CLI Full Reference" > "$OUTPUT"
echo "Generated on: $(date)" >> "$OUTPUT"

# Core top-level commands to recurse
COMMANDS=("gateway" "models" "channels" "plugins" "secrets" "agents" "doctor" "acp" "approvals" "backup" "browser" "clawbot" "config" "cron" "daemon" "devices" "directory" "dns" "hooks" "memory" "message" "node" "nodes" "pairing" "sandbox" "security" "sessions" "skills" "system" "update" "webhooks")

for cmd in "${COMMANDS[@]}"; do
  echo -e "\n## Command: openclaw $cmd" >> "$OUTPUT"
  echo "$BTICK" >> "$OUTPUT"
  openclaw $cmd --help >> "$OUTPUT" 2>&1
  echo "$BTICK" >> "$OUTPUT"

  # Recursively grab common subcommands
  for sub in "list" "add" "inspect" "status"; do
    if openclaw $cmd $sub --help > /dev/null 2>&1; then
       echo -e "\n### Subcommand: openclaw $cmd $sub" >> "$OUTPUT"
       echo "$BTICK" >> "$OUTPUT"
       openclaw $cmd $sub --help >> "$OUTPUT" 2>&1
       echo "$BTICK" >> "$OUTPUT"
    fi
  done
done

# Clean up "🦞 OpenClaw" header lines
sed -i '/^🦞 OpenClaw/d' "$OUTPUT"

# Clean up any quip lines printed before "Usage:" inside code blocks
sed -i '/^🦞 OpenClaw/d; /^[[:space:]]*[A-Z].*—.*$/d; /^[[:space:]]*[A-Z][^:]*;[^:]*$/d' "$OUTPUT"
echo "Done!"
echo "🦞 OpenClaw CLI documentation generated: $OUTPUT"

It takes about 7 minutes to create the openclaw_cli_reference.md file

It helps A TON

[glossy kelp]

I'm having the exact same issue sadly

[ashen acorn]

I tried twice, patch seemed to apply but no difference

[wide cliff]

Anyone tried MiniMax M2.7 as brain or for very complex tasks/coding yet? Looking for early feedback. ...and desperately need a competent model on par with Sonnet/Opus that is significantly cheaper!

[zenith bone]

Looking for that answer as well. My gpt plus plan was used for brain but its rate limited. I'm using sonnet in openrouter as fallback, it works really well but eating up tokens. I have a separate agent for coding using minimax 2.5. But its structured where my brain agent delegates what I want to it, but this was with the GPT plus plan so not sure how cost effective it would be with sonnet.

[grim jetty]

Hey im trying to make it make comments and suggestions on my google doc but it just come up as deleted original content, is there a way to fix this that has worked for anyone?

[iron zealot]

Any experience with how long it take for new models to appear on ollama in relation to launch of minimax 2.7? (got paid subscription, hence locked to ollama for now.)

[north marsh]

For a non-technical person, is it better to use Claude coworker to help set this up or Claude code?

[wary yarrow]

Hey gang. Brave search is getting flaky for me. What do you guys recommend for better web searching? Do you run everything through browser? Web crawlers? Open to suggestions.

[iron zealot]

as a complete newcomer who knows nothing: I'm happy using searxng hosted locally for search. (limited to specific engines.)

[inland knot]

Anyone tried Hunter Alpha from OpenRouter?

I need some feedback, it performed badly for me when i tried it

[wary yarrow]

I also tried it. Would not recommend.

totally failed at a bunch of tasks. Can't read pictures. Prone to hallucination.

[inland knot]

For me it spilled the whole chain-of-thought process in the chat, EVERY single prompt i gave to him, i also wrote in SOUL.md and AGENTS.md to not do that, very detailed

And yes, he failed misserably

I currently run MiniMax 2.5 from Nvidia NIM, it's good but slow af

[wary yarrow]

I have a basic workflow with my agent where I will take a picture of a business card and send it in telegram. She'll usually create an entry in my CRM from that. (this has turned a pile of business cards into useful data) With hunter alpha, she completely hallucinated all the details lol.

[inland knot]

I didnt give him a task that hard tho lol

I gave him a task to scrape info about 10 competitors, and what works for them, and what we can apply to our own business, he just broke, with a list of fails and errors

The second time i gave him the prompt, he hallucinated

[wary yarrow]

oh she also failed the basic voice message workflow too. I send a voice memo, she transcribes with whisper and sends a voice note back using piper tts.

[inland knot]

Idk what model that is really, but it's bad atm

Maybe Kimi 3 or sumn

What model you running rn?

[wary yarrow]

Been on GPT for the last month. Currently running 5.4 (low) and very pleased with it.

conversational tone is far warmer than 5.2, but it still has the reliability for me of being able to do things.

anything higher than low thinking chews through usage though.

[inland knot]

Oh, i wish to have cash atm to burn on tokens

But i dont, that's why I'm running on NIM, crawling through the 40RPM limit

[umbral kindle]

minimax is a good choice, it has less tone but much more cheaper

[wary yarrow]

ChatGPT $20/month gets you pretty far.

eager to try 5.4 mini when OC updates to add it to the list.

[inland knot]

You heavy use him?

[wary yarrow]

I wouldn't say super heavy...depends on the day.

[inland knot]

I will use minimax free from NIM atm, and upgrade to Sonnet 4.6 when i scale a bit

[gray pivot]

Hey guysss!! What setup do you recommend for mac mini m4 pro 48gb ram? i am using qwen 3.5 27b but it takes like 7min to take normal answer

[inland knot]

7 minutes is absurdly slow for M4 Pro with 48GB. The problem is likely the setup, not the hardware.

Recommendations:

1. Check what's running now

• What tool are you using? Ollama? llama.cpp? Something else?
• Is it running on GPU or CPU?

2. Optimize the model

• Quantization — 27B is huge. Try quantized versions:
  • Q4_K_M — good speed/quality balance
  • Q5_K_S — more accurate, slightly slower
• Original model: qwen2.5:27b → replace with qwen2.5:27b-q4_0 or similar

3. Faster alternatives on M4 Pro

• Qwen 2.5 14B — almost as smart, 4x faster
• Phi-4 (Microsoft) — excellent for reasoning, fast
• Llama 3 8B — decent, very fast
• Mistral 7B — good for simple tasks

4. Correct setup for Apple Silicon

• If using Ollama: set OLLAMA_METAL=1 env var
• If using llama.cpp: compile with Metal support (-DGGML_METAL=on)

5. Practical advice
For daily use, Qwen 2.5 14B Q4 on M4 Pro = responses in 5-15 seconds, very good quality.

---

Tell me what tool you're using (Ollama, llama.cpp, LM Studio, etc.) and I'll help you configure the optimal setup.

This was the answer from my agent

[gray pivot]

Thanks a lot, I run it at Ollama, GPU - ill try all the tips

[inland knot]

My personal recommandation, you can also run a smaller model, like Qwen 3.5 9B

Still capable

27B is pretty much even for that monster of Mac Mini

[gray pivot]

okay how much close will that be to claude ai you think?

im building apps for my businesses in cloudflare, i wanna have full time agents as marketing assistants for my companies, also have it build some basic workflows like news automation

[inland knot]

Not even close to claude, not by a long shot, but Qwen 3.5 models are pretty capable for automations like you use case

You cant use any small models for coding

For that you will need something like MiniMax or Gemini 3

As i mentioned prior, i use Mini Max 2.5 from Nvidia NIM, which is great for automations like that, i also got a marketing agency, and he is good for coding also, but I'm not using him for coding, i use Cursor for that

[gray pivot]

So what youre saying is best usecase = mini workflows, some basic assistant work = filter this and this email, answer these questions, watch these triggers etc. But not build this app from a to z like i do with claude

[sterile steppe]

minimax 2.7 has been released, havent tested it yet but minimax 2.5 is GOATED

[inland knot]

Once it launches on Nvidia NIM imma cop that, can't wait

[inland knot]

yessir, for building apps, cop Cursor for 20$, it gives you limited acces to Opus 4.6, and a lot of awesome powerful coding models

[gray pivot]

Thanks man, will go fire up the new models in terminal and work my way up to as much work i can with it

[inland knot]

i built my website with it, bloommedia.ro , it is in romanian language mostly, but check it out to see what you can do

https://bloommedia.ro/

[gray pivot]

its sweet

i built couple of apps and websites in base44.com

but lately ive just been building with openclaw with claude api, and there is nothing like it 😄 its more expensive but in 3 days ive got working app fully ready to develop inside my company, total cost like 120 bucks

[inland knot]

base44 its nice, but you are stuck on that platform, you cant get acces to the whole code

[gray pivot]

10x better than base and ive got the whole process automated with agent

it launches to cloudflare, pairs with crm.. figures out everything

[inland knot]

yeah claude is crazy for coding litteraly anything

but i still recommend the 20$/month on Cursor, cheaper than API

since i'm broke atm, i'm giving the advice of a poor man haha

[finite sable]

Does openclaw allow user commands for discord bots like can I do a command in DMs and speak to my bot

[nimble hill]

In the same thread in github, update your comments and log details.
I work on docker images and there is no issue there, if you want to shift to that

[restive delta]

I don't know what was meant by "15-20 tokens is kind of accepted min standard for non-frustrated experience." I'm going into this without prior experience of A.I. usage. I haven't used it so far, because I could generally solve things without it, and because I don't trust outside services with my data privacy. (I don't use most social media, and I don't back things up externally to any "cloud" services either, nor have I used any kind of SmartPhone).

[ancient jungle]

i've been trying the free sonnet 4.6 vs my paid gemini pro, and even sonnet is so much better. gemini just talks and talks and usually wrong

[nimble hill]

Okay so you have been living under the rock. Its good to look up and experiment.

[restive delta]

I am retired, limited income and resources, and coming up on mandatory hardware replacement within the next six months or so. I have a smidgen of programming education, but no actual programming experience. I have no experience with GitHub. My computing infrastructure is limited to desktop models and Palm OS devices, (been on Palm OS since '98).

I'm impressed by what's going on, but as I look through things here, I feel like this is all way out of my depth. How can I know if OpenClaw is right for me? At first, I'd figured to plan on a new machine large enough to run Mistral locally as a LLM, along with an OpenClaw instance, dual-booting in Linux and Win11, but as I added hardware resources to the plan the growing expense footprint quickly exceeded reason. Then, I thought to myself, why not make it more bare-bones, but expandable, and let the A.I. agent tell me what hardware to add to fill it out? (The System76 Thelio series looks attractive). Now, I'm thinking that these may be questions better posed to humans. The "Is OpenClaw right for me?" question persists. Thank you.

[nimble hill]

I would suggest NOT to invest in hardware until you have experimented. Get a oracle free tier - a complete FOC 4 vcpu, 24 gb ram and 200gb hdd. Yes you need cc to sign up but they don't charge you. You can even block your card.
In that instance install openclaw and sign up for openai $20 plan. Experiment out for a month or 2 and check if openclaw is good for you. You do NOT have to give any personal data there, just experiment on different use cases which may be relevant to you.
This way after 2 month, you decide whether its good for you nad then making investment decision.

[warped sable]

Are discord bots able to add/manage channels under my personal server with openclaw? I saw a video where this is possible but the bot I set up kept telling me that openclaw does not have that function packaged in natively. Does anyone know?

[dim harbor]

afaik yes, you can have openclaw fully manage the server

[warped sable]

so it is a openclaw setup thing I didn't do? The bot already have all the permissions from discord side.

[dim harbor]

you might need to feed it info on how to do it if theres some spec somewhere, maybe a skill

[eternal needle]

Hi everyone,
Im looking for a way to install Openclaw on its own env so it wont be able to use my computer but will be working 24/7.
I know that one option is VC on some remote server or buying Mac Mini for that. Will installation on docker will work?

[nimble hill]

Yes. Docker or k8s is way to go. Get a vps - oracle free tier is great and free forever

[eternal needle]

10x

[inland knot]

oracle free tier is a vps? im currently running my agent on my macbook through Nvidia NIM, and i dont wanna keep my mac open 24/7 and i cant keep it open, so i lose my cron jobs and heartbeats when i close the lid

[nimble hill]

Yes. I always recommend not to run openclaw directly on your machine. Even on free tier deploy as docker container

[olive scarab]

I'm trying to figure out setting up individual agents... looking at the docs, it's not clear to me where I can define environment file for the agent... I have .env in ~/.openclaw for the main agent, but subagents don't seem to get those .env variables. Tried putting an .env in agent workspace root, and in openclaw/agent/<agent>/ folder, no luck.

[dim harbor]

oracle vps works good, no issues ?

[nimble hill]

Let me know if you need docker compose file. The one is openclaw repo is shit or they ask you to do it hard way

[inland knot]

Got it, Oracle Cloud Free Tier? Just to be sure

[upbeat karma]

hi! I created a free tier api key in the google ai studio for testing. But when tried to switch the chat model in the openclaw control, it doesnt work. This is the errormessage that I got: "Failed to set model: GatewayRequestError: model not allowed: openai/gemini-3-flash-preview". The gateway status is ok. theapi key is okay. The json files are okay, the models status are okay. Still can't switch. what am I missing here (non-tech user)?

[junior acorn]

@upbeat karma the error message is telling you precisely what's wrong. Model is not allowed. Openai/gemini-3-flash-preview is not a real model

[nimble hill]

Yes. Go here and select compute and store. You would see Ampere instance
https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/

[upbeat karma]

yes, but in the files it's in the correct form: google/gemini-3-flash-preview
and i have no clue where did i do that, to write a non-existent model

[nimble hill]

Why don't you try yourself?

[dim harbor]

i will, thanks for the suggestion 🙂

[solid jolt]

drop link man

[placid basin]

I set my kimi api key but it says api rate limit reached even though I have balance in there and the api works outside openclaw

[solid jolt]

can we see it now

[spark valley]

try again with openclaw configure go to models and choose the model you need if you don't find it go to cusstom choose it and lookup the provider base url and if it is openai or anthropic compatible paste the api and the model exactly as showon on the api usage for python curl and so on then do full restart you should see it there in the web ui

that how i setup nvidia models

[inland knot]

just made an account on Oracle Cloud from the link you sent me, now what, it's my first time trying to configure this stuff

[dim harbor]

what models there you find that work good with openclaw there ? i tried kimi but it appeared it can only do chat, no tool calls. did you find any that work well ?

[spark valley]

there's trick i found on reddit to keep the A flex after trial ends for ever

[spark valley]

issue is the tools permission probably u set it to messaging

[inland knot]

Kimi is trash, on NIM at least, from the models i tested, go for Mini Max 2.5 or Qwen 3.5 120B A12B

I think i got the parameters wrong tho

Qwen 3.5 122B A10B

Those were performing the best for my use case

You can also try Step 3.5 Flash, that was also a very good model

[dim harbor]

no, works fine with all the other models that im using, something is messed up with thatone

thx bro, good suggestions, so many models on nvidia page i wasnt sure where to start with to try them out

[inland knot]

Wanna share the sauce or give me the reddit link?

[inland knot]

no worries fam

[upbeat karma]

it worked...
partially.
now i cant switch back to gpt5 in the ui, because it shows google/gpt... is not allowed. i have the openai api key too. so i dont know what's this 🙂
appreciate the help, thank you! 🥂

[spark valley]

try to https://www.reddit.com/r/oraclecloud/comments/1oobbq1/oracle_cloud_a1flex_out_of_capacity_error_fixed/

[crisp wing]

r/oraclecloud via Reddit

[spark valley]

could you share the config with apis redacted

[inland knot]

Thank you broski

[spark valley]

yea or alpha hunter on openrouter just lauched four days ago and it got 1t token usage weekly it got 1m context

[upbeat karma]

the openclaw.json, or the auth-profiles?

[inland knot]

Oracle site is down atm

This site https://login.us-ashburn-1.oraclecloud.com/v1/oauth2/authorize is experiencing technical difficulty. We are aware of the issue and are working as quick as possible to correct the issue.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

To speak with an Oracle sales representative: 1.800.ORACLE1.

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Incident Number: 18.4c677b5c.1773871596.28578519

i will try to configure tomorrow

[inland knot]

hunter alpha is trash, i tested it in multiple tests, he doesnt perform, for me at least

[dim harbor]

i used alpha hunter for a bit but kept running into errors, not super reliable.. when it works its great but then it goes down sometimes

[spark valley]

let me be clear do you want to use each agent with it api key or model or you just wantt to add a lot of providers and models to choose from

[spark valley]

it is just in beta phase

[spark valley]

used it for pentesting it turned out to be great but after few days it became craazy

[dim harbor]

yeah, thats probably what to expect for free 🙂 i was mostly just looking for something i can use as a fallback, but wasnt reliable enough

[upbeat karma]

i want to build multi-model workflows, so i want to use agents with their api keys. i just thought when i add a new api for another model, it will be available in the main chat too

[inland knot]

yeah, can't wait to get a paid model, but this OpenClaw BURNS cash fr

[karmic sierra]

you dont know how to write a promt then

agent:main:main │direct │gemini-3.1-flash-lite-preview unknown/30k (?%) │
agent:main:discord:channel: group gemini-3.1-flash-lite-preview │93k/30k (310%)
agent:main:discord:direct:1 direct │ gemini-3.1-flash-lite-preview unknown/30k (?%)
agent:main:discord:channel: group │ gemini-3.1-flash-lite-preview │ unknown/30k (?%)
│ agent:main:discord:channel │group │ gemini-3.1-flash-lite-preview unknown/30k (?%

[thin frost]

I'm trying to use the voice call plugin but getting "address already in use" when I try to run openclaw voicecall call anyone know what's up? I saw some related issues on github, but nothing helpful and it seemed like it was thought to be fixed...

[rustic dust]

I'm trying to set up a guy on qwen free tier + openai pro as a fallback, to leverage the qwen free tier requests per day before moving back to the paid quota. I see that openai codex is logged as a fallback, but im getting: API rate limit reached without failling back.

[inland knot]

Is it possible to run real workflows like lead hunting or news scouting etc on cron jobs on free tier models like MiniMax 2.5 from Nvidia NIM?

It got 40 RPM rate limit on NIM

[slate dragon]

anyone know how to fix openclaw's bounderies/ethics? it won't let me do things i see everyone else on social media doing, like trading on kalshi

[hybrid kite]

unless local hosting, not worth it

[hybrid kite]

depends on the ai you're using too, how it's been trained

beyond that, its personality is fully malleable you can make it do anything

[slate dragon]

any suggestions on ai's that won't do that?

[hybrid kite]

not knowledgeable on this. but my gemini has no limits at all, i find it great

do try modifying its personality files first thing

[inland knot]

Damn 😢
I need to go on a paid model ASAP

[blissful berry]

I think I'm about to see someone burn a lot of money

[carmine epoch]

oh man - my agents files are a mess! - Ubuntu on windows - for some reason its been installing things in a weird folder instead of the usual place - CUsersMYUSERNAME.openclawworkspace - so when i run an npx command - it goes there and its not really working

Should i go back to regular windows install? The reason i moved to Ubuntu on windows was because alot of commands werent working - has that been improved?

[vapid fiber]

Am i dumb? How do i stop a chat from continuing a prompt in the new version?!

i'm in the web ui

[blissful berry]

@carmine epoch I'm on windows and I haven't had too many issues with commands, alternatively you could also install wsl and have the best of both worlds

[carmine epoch]

ty

[deep tapir]

New guy here. Trying to learn the ropes

[nimble hill]

Use docker engine on ubunutu. You can manage where the files are stored. But you should have some knowledge on docker otherwise you will start pulling your hair

[tall meteor]

I recommend running either a Linux machine or a Mac.

[dapper nexus]

having an issue with openclaw and openai oauth.. says models not authorised but have a plus account and am logging in with the link it provides.. is it not working anymore or something odd about my setup?

[chilly ivy]

Hello new here. Im having trouble setting up an agent using my Claude Code Pro subscription. It seems to only work with an Anthropic API key, Im running version v2026.3.11 on Windows. Anyone that can give some insight?

[brave marsh]

lets partner or add me to your team, im new but learn quick

[tall meteor]

If anyone is using AI (ChatGPT, Grok, Gemini, Claude), to help you set up OpenClaw, I have a method that is working well for me.

[iron shadow]

how to make openclaw edit video like a pro editor in capcut?

[lost steeple]

Hey guys, Can someone tell me how to get help to solve an openclaw issue that is driving me insane lol

[tardy compass]

OpenClaw seems really bad at keeping track of sub agents/spun off tasks etc. It says it will check on it and never does unless I ask it to. It seems most people have more success with this than I do but not sure what they're doing differently

[spark valley]

paid or free

[spark valley]

look up if they still let u do that

i heard anthropic stopped it

[spark valley]

web ui still buggy

[spark valley]

simply reset wsl still got some issues like the Error: systemctl not available; systemd user services are required on Linux.

[spark valley]

there's free no limi for stepfun openrouter

[lost steeple]

I used to have it set on atpx and fly.io and now all of a sudden its local and spending money (lots of it form Claude)

it was running perfect and I´m not sure what I did to mess it up...

[open saffron]

I saw an artical on Medium where someone successfully switched from Claude to Kimi-k2.5 with satisfactory results. I must be doing something wrong because I'm running Kimi-k2.5 and just stops responding after running for a very short time. Simple tasks are easy for it, but complex tasks just stop unless I ask for a status and then it will pick back up where it left off. It will even tell me "I will do... xyz", but it never actually does it until I ask how things are going. I was thinking that I could give it a fairly complex set of instructions and let it work on it's own... for example setup a daily email for news summaries. But I have to keep prompting it to continue.

[warped sable]

Does anyone know how to allow discord bots to manage the channels? I have been looking and trying but still no luck. The openclaw chat kept saying that there were no ways of creating/managing server channels.

[open saffron]

This is exactly what is happening to me. I also feel that most people have more success than I'm having.

[vapid fiber]

oof yea, was working fine last update .... too many vibes

[iron shadow]

.

[valid kettle]

my context is all used up and I am trying to start a new session and nothing happens, Can anyone help?

[digital zinc]

@spark valley Yo dude, quick question. Is the web ui thing linked to my telegram? I meant in terms of the files like mermory.md and soul.md etc.

[steep thorn]

My agents can’t talk to or call upon one another and I’ve ltr tried everything help pls 🙏

[scenic hatch]

I tried to build a workflow for my Shopify store. I built a copywriting agent, a competitor research agent, a creative agent, and an agent who manages the store (connected to Shopify with an api key) And an agent who orchestrates the work between them all. I tried to run it alone at first just on the basis of the agent and I couldn't After that I tried a workflow that combines OpenProse processes with lobster. And it didn't really work either, every time something else goes wrong and doesn't run properly. The idea was to build the process in stages where the orchestrating agent uses the other agents as subagents and at each stage another subagent works and between each stage I have to approve the work Does anyone have an idea or advice on how to build a workflow that really works? Or tips for improving the existing workflow? I'm pretty desperate to be honest. (I used the following models: kimi K2.5 for general work, sonnet 4.6 for copywriting and claude code for editing and changing code/files)

[finite sable]

I messed up openclaw soo many times when tryna fix it lmao

[tall meteor]

Can I chat with another agent, other than "main", in the OC webchat UI?
It seems like "main" is hard coded as default and no others appear in the dropdown.

[finite sable]

clicking the channel dropdown should show channels from other agents as well

[tall meteor]

Where is the "channel dropdown"?

I see only "main" dropdown next to the model dropdown.

"main" is the only item in the agent dropdown

But in the left column "Agents", I can see the multiple agents, as well as "main" as the default agent.

[tall meteor]

Do you see your agents populating the dropdown list in the OC webchat UI?
I can only see main in the list, but it is confirmed I have two agents.

agent:~/.openclaw$ openclaw agents list --json
[
  {
    "id": "main",
    "workspace": "/home/agent/.openclaw/workspace",
    "agentDir": "/home/agent/.openclaw/agents/main/agent",
    "model": "ollama/ministral-3:14b",
    "bindings": 0,
    "isDefault": true,
    "routes": [
      "default (no explicit rules)"
    ]
  },
  {
    "id": "dev_manager",
    "workspace": "/home/agent/.openclaw/workspace",
    "agentDir": "/home/agent/.openclaw/agents/dev_manager/agent",
    "model": "ollama/ministral-3:14b",
    "bindings": 0,
    "isDefault": false
  }
]

[finite sable]

I don't have more than one agent, I just made an educated guess considering how it shows my main agent's channels under main in the dropdown

[tall meteor]

Ah, ok. Gemini and Claude are also guessing. Ministral-3:14b also guessed at CLI commands, but was wrong.

I can't imagine a multi-agent system would have a single hard coded agent in the chat interface. That makes very little sense. There must be a way. The UI is half-baked and still very new.

[finite sable]

That is true, perhaps the docs would have something that might help?

Sending your agent the docs sometimes helps

[tall meteor]

I'll check docs. I did put together CLI script which recursively runs all --help commands and compiles them into markdown document. I pasted that into Claude and it helped a ton, but not for the UI.
If you're curious about the shell script, I'll share it. it works great. AI likes markdown

[finite sable]

Sure, could check it out

[tall meteor]

chmod +x to run it

#!/bin/bash# Generate a clean OpenClaw CLI reference document without the headers
OUTPUT="openclaw_cli_reference.md"
B='`'
BTICK="${B}${B}${B}"

# Terminal Status Message
echo "🦞 OpenClaw CLI Reference Generator"
echo "Generating documentation, please wait..."

echo "# OpenClaw CLI Full Reference" > "$OUTPUT"
echo "Generated on: $(date)" >> "$OUTPUT"

# Core top-level commands to recurse
COMMANDS=("gateway" "models" "channels" "plugins" "secrets" "agents" "doctor" "acp" "approvals" "backup" "browser" "clawbot" "config" "cron" "daemon" "devices" "directory" "dns" "hooks" "memory" "message" "node" "nodes" "pairing" "sandbox" "security" "sessions" "skills" "system" "update" "webhooks")

for cmd in "${COMMANDS[@]}"; do
  echo -e "\n## Command: openclaw $cmd" >> "$OUTPUT"
  echo "$BTICK" >> "$OUTPUT"
  openclaw $cmd --help >> "$OUTPUT" 2>&1
  echo "$BTICK" >> "$OUTPUT"

  # Recursively grab common subcommands
  for sub in "list" "add" "inspect" "status"; do
    if openclaw $cmd $sub --help > /dev/null 2>&1; then
       echo -e "\n### Subcommand: openclaw $cmd $sub" >> "$OUTPUT"
       echo "$BTICK" >> "$OUTPUT"
       openclaw $cmd $sub --help >> "$OUTPUT" 2>&1
       echo "$BTICK" >> "$OUTPUT"
    fi
  done
done

# Clean up "🦞 OpenClaw" header lines
sed -i '/^🦞 OpenClaw/d' "$OUTPUT"

# Clean up any quip lines printed before "Usage:" inside code blocks
sed -i '/^🦞 OpenClaw/d; /^[[:space:]]*[A-Z].*—.*$/d; /^[[:space:]]*[A-Z][^:]*;[^:]*$/d' "$OUTPUT"
echo "Done!"
echo "🦞 OpenClaw CLI documentation generated: $OUTPUT"

On my mini PC, it takes 6 to 7 minutes to generate the openclaw_cli_reference.md file

Then I just copy it and paste it into Claude at the beginning of a session, and it knows all the commands.

[finite sable]

Wow damn I like that, thank you so much you should probably publish it for others to use

[tall meteor]

(not pasting the script, but the generated document)

[tall meteor]

I have it in my repo. I put it together today. Where would I share it?

[finite sable]

tbh I'm not sure 😭

https://ptb.discord.com/channels/1456350064065904867/1458485208721395843 here perhaps?

[tall meteor]

https://discord.com/channels/1456350064065904867/1484056877078806639

[finite sable]

awesome

[tall meteor]

I spent a few hours fine-tuning the script to strip out the witty quips every time you run a CLI command
It had one for each CLI command and the sed pattern matching at the end takes care of them.

You know, the ones like, 🦞 OpenClaw 2026.3.13 (61d171a) — I'll refactor your busywork like it owes me money.

That would confuse Claude or any AI LOL

[spark valley]

no it has a main session to it but you can talk to it in telegram sessions from web ui just click the dropdown

[spark valley]

yu need to inisiate a session with one try thee sessions section see if you can spawn one before it had auto ig the update

[digital zinc]

dropdown?

[shut onyx]

5.4 mini for codex oauth when?

[tall meteor]

Thanks. I initialized the session and it works great. Now I have the initial "main" default agent and the new "dev_manager" agent.

agent:~$ openclaw gateway call chat.send \
  --token redacted_redacted_redacted_redacted_redacted \
  --params '{"sessionKey":"agent:dev_manager:main","message":"Hello. What is your name and primary role?","idempotencyKey":"init-dev-manager-001"}' \
  --expect-final

I could not do it through the UI. I had to use the CLI to start the session.

I peeked at the agent:main:main sessionKey to get an idea of how it was created 😎

[pallid cove]

The stealth OpenRouter Hunter model I used is revealed as Xiaomi mimo v2. Pretty cool

However my OpenClaw doesn't fallback properly so I'm stuck without it until I change the model

[analog night]

Hey yall.. so I use the Microsoft pc manager and the clawboard is now supported for openclaw apps? What can I do with it exactly I really dont get it .

What are OpenClaw apps exactly?

[wary osprey]

yeah fallback can be a bit unreliable depending on how it’s set up. just make sure your fallback model is actually mapped correctly and that both models are available under the same provider config. sometimes it also helps to test each model directly first, just to confirm they both respond before relying on fallback

I ran into this a few times and just stopped depending on fallback configs entirely, easier to route everything through one layer and switch models there when needed

[civic locust]

Good day chaps

My telegram bot keeps forgetting how to send csv attachments/files lol

Initially it said no tools to send a csv, then it sent and then a few days later it cannot send again

When I replied to the message where it sent, it said it checked memory but it doesn't know what else to say that it can't 🤣

Does anyone know a specific detailed prompt with the exact tool it should use?

[wary osprey]

honestly I’d shrink the whole thing first. Right now you’ve got too many agents, too many handoffs, and too many places where the workflow can break

start with just 3 parts...

one orchestrator
one research / copy agent
one Shopify action agent

get that working end to end first before adding creative, approval layers, and extra subagents

the other thing is model spread. using different providers/models for each step makes debugging a big headaches (maybe for me tho), because when something fails you don’t know if it’s the workflow or the provider/model behavior

you should simplify that too and keep most of the flow on one setup first. if you want, AIsa helps a lot in this case, because you can keep the whole workflow under one API layer instead of managing separate provider setups while you’re still trying to make the process stable. but first thing I’d do is cut the workflow down and get one clean loop working:

research → draft → approve → publish/update store

once that finally works reliably, then add the rest back one by one

[civic locust]

Random fella jumping in the middle but I do agree, less is usually more

[dim harbor]

i think its too generic of a request, you want thhe bot to send you the csv in telegram or whatever you use in the response ? or to send it to someone else through email or something ?

[civic locust]

When I specifically ask for csv it made :3

It keeps saying it can't 😂, but sometimes it does lol

[dim harbor]

ask it to make a md file in the workspace and see if it can save it
if it can, then ask it to put a table inside md file
then ask it to save csv file and put the table inside it
see how far it gets 🙂

[civic locust]

Ok I think I figured out

It keeps thinking it's only for images

But gotta force it to try the MEDIA:/path/to/file.csv

[dim harbor]

might be something model/provider specific, it doesnt sound familiar

[civic locust]

Tq, just felt dumb when I was used to 5.4 being usually good 🤣

[nimble hill]

Yeah this is an issue in some platforms, fix is ongoing

[gray jewel]

How do you get the bot to actually follow directions instead of just talking about them and promising it will fix something going forward but never delivering.

[lime mauve]

can someone tell me what is the limitation of openclaw ?

[warped wadi]

wdym?

limitation in what?

[lime mauve]

Is there anything else openclaw hasn't been able to do yet?

[warped wadi]

bro, actually, obviusly depends on how you train it, also because it has it own limitations

like he cannot do not legal actions and similar

[twilit bough]

Yo, team. We are trying to set up multi agents and every time we run the prompt in our claw we get this error:

Config got wiped again. Same pattern — the gateway doctor runs on restart and strips everything back to defaults.

The root problem: The OpenClaw doctor is running on startup and actively removing any Telegram accounts or agent list it doesn't recognise as "standard" confi

[rough flame]

my claw is always asking /approve thing

and its running in a loop

[fickle crown]

hi

[dim harbor]

ask it how to configure it to not require approval.

[regal mica]

guys, anyone having problem for the agent can't use exec tool?

[rough flame]

i have asked multiple times it is denying me to do it

[steel verge]

Hi, I just made my old gaming PC (I5-9400F, GTX 1660 TI 6GB VRAM, 16GB RAM, 1TB HDD and 512 GB SSD)a server and i want to run a personal AI assistant, the problem is, every local AI is too big or doesn't support tools, what should i use that's cheap, if not free and reliable?

[tough swan]

Hello! Quick question for those using Tailscale.

My OC is on a Mac Mini, and I'm wanting to access it via GUI on my Macbook Pro, and alternative windows laptop. Is this functionality built into Tailscale, or do I need something else (such as Screens 5?) for this?

[nimble hill]

Subscribe to chatgpt go for $8 and upgrade if you think it is timing out quickly than you are using it - you can track the usage ein %age on openai

[nimble hill]

During onboaridng l, keep as LAN 0.0.0.0. You can then access the dashboard UI via http;//macmini ip:18789

[tough swan]

But this wouldn't work when I am not on the same network (away from home)?

[warm walrus]

How do people usually handle OpenClaw needing sudo commands? Do most of you SSH into the machine and run them manually? That’s what I’ve been doing, but it feels inefficient.

[summer shadow]

Hi, has anyone encountered this issue?

I'm getting:
"Failed to set model: GatewayRequestError: model not allowed"

It seems like many models are affected, not just one. This started happening today.

Any ideas what might be causing this?

[regal mica]

use ssh tunnel and then use localhost to access your agent

[regal mica]

why do you need sudo command? I think you should be able to use your agent using telegram

[warm walrus]

example when working on projects and i needs more packages sudo apt install <package-name>

i don't know if like i just want it to be too autonomous?

[dim harbor]

if you dont care if it breaks your machine, you can try:
openclaw config set tools.exec.security full

[regal mica]

did that, my agent still can't do exec

[steel perch]

https://discord.com/channels/1456350064065904867/1484083867370520639

[dim harbor]

that was for laytro, I think you might just have tools access permissions set to messaging ? can it do read and write tools ? ask it what tools it has available. or your model doesnt have tool capabilities

[regal mica]

I use deepseek, tools available: read, edit, write, web_search, web_fetch

[steel verge]

Thanks! I was also thinking about Claude Haiku 4.5, i'll test then both and see which is cheaper and more efficient

[dim harbor]

try openclaw config get tools.profile
, if its on messaging then you ll have to switch it to full ( if you want to give bot full access)

[regal mica]

yeah, already on full. it's just the agent said that it doesn't have exec tool

[nimble hill]

Yes, then tailscale is required (install directly in all systems) OR if you are tech savvy, run a CF tunnel and access via you own cheap domain

[nimble hill]

You canot use the Oauth of claude, you need to go via API and that will burn lot so tokens. No comparison with subscription model

[dim harbor]

you can try to run these 4 commands, under ask you can also put always if you want to get prompts

openclaw config set tools.exec.host gateway
openclaw config set tools.exec.security full
openclaw config set tools.exec.ask off
openclaw gateway restart

[fresh moon]

hey guys im helping a company out in setting up openclaw and i was just wondering if there might be an easier and safer way for it to get setup for their specific use cases? is there a vps or hosting service that offers the best one click deploy or any openclaw alternatives that make it easier? any help or tips are really appreciated thank you so much guys

[nimble hill]

Openclaw is still under active development. There are breaking chnages that happen between version. I would not advise for an enterprise.
Whatever worlflow _use cases they have, they can use n8n. It will have deterministic flow

[fresh moon]

yeah thats what i told them but they are really interested in it

[dim harbor]

gotta agree, and if you dont have expertise to even get it to set up, best to set it up locally firs tand figure out how it all works. then set it up on vps for yourself. then proceed

[fresh moon]

i do know how to set it up but he wants to set it up himself on call so i wanna recommend something thats just one click deploy hhahaah

[stoic yew]

Has anybody gone from having their agent do everything in opus 4.6 to doing everything in haiku?

I've noticed my agent makes a lot of mistakes already and is burning through $125 in API calls daily.

I'm getting frustrated and about to turn it off, but she's been helpful at setting my schedule and reminders on things I need to get done and follow up on.

[inland knot]

Anybody found a permanent solution for ai models to NOT show chain-of-thought in discord chat?

[dim harbor]

set up oauth unless you have specific need for API, like production usage of claude with your paying customers/users, multiple machines etc.

[mighty rampart]

I was getting double replies and turned off ‘streaming’ maybe try that. But I wasn’t seeing the reasoning. Maybe it depends on the model, which one are you using?

[nimble hill]

Thats the realty of the situation. As i keep saying, if your flow is deterministic ask openclaw to write a n8n flow and use thay in m8n. You will be surprised how cheap you can use, since 70% of any tasks don't actually need AI. In n8n you can control that

[slate pond]

Hey everyone. I'm totally new to openclaw. I downloaded popebot and tried using it but came across a paywall when everything was said and done

[stoic yew]

Thanks for the suggestions guys I'll look into them.

[inland knot]

I tried to run Step 3.5 Flash instead o M2.5 cause Step got less tool calling errors, but it spills thinking into chat before the proper answer, i experienced this with many models

I got strong constraints in SOUL.md and AGENT.md

[regal mica]

did that, still can't do exec

[sweet junco]

Alright, I'm in process of like...optimizing for speed. Not super happy with latency. I'm running openclaw on an AWS instance, ping to anthropic API is ~1ms, sandbox is off (private server), primarily using claude sonnet 4.6. Any other suggestions?

I checked cron, it's basically zero.

[grim plover]

My oc agent keep saying me this This message flow is marked as untrusted, so I won’t apply a model change here.

For reference: if you want GPT-5.4, this session’s default model is already openai-codex/gpt-5.4. If you send the same request through a trusted user channel, I can switch it there.

[heavy comet]

Hello, i havent installed openclaw yet, is there a way to install it on a specified disk and keep all the files created by the installation on that disk only? i want everything that has to do with openclaw to be forced to only that disk.

im on windows

[hybrid kite]

learn container basics docker/podman and install in it

[wary osprey]

when the provider stops allowing certain models or the model name,the config no longer matches what the gateway accepts. try to check the provider dashboard first and confirm those models are still enabled on your key, then recheck the exact model IDs you have in OpenClaw. if a bunch of models broke at the same time, it’s usually a provider or gateway change.

you can also try one known working model directly against the same provider and see if it still goes through. if it keeps happening, you can also try moving to a provider like AIsa; recommended because model access is easier to manage from one place instead of chasing provider changes every time

[hasty grove]

Anyone have really good resource for long horizon planning?

[junior acorn]

What do you need it for?

[wild flax]

Hey! I noticed that CONTRIBUTING.md directs contributors to open GitHub Discussions for new feature proposals, but Discussions aren't currently enabled on the repo (the link 404s). I opened an issue about it: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/issues/50449

I have two feature PRs that should have had discussions per the guidelines:

• #50003 — --github-copilot-token flag for non-interactive GitHub Copilot auth
• #49415 — preHook gate for cron/heartbeat pre-run script checks

Could a repo admin enable Discussions so I can open proposals for these? Thanks!

[shadow vector]

Yo, just set up openclaw on a docker container. Self hosting llms is awful so I went with Mistral Small 4.
$0.15/1M tokens in, $0.6/1M tokens out.
I had 6 small conversations and I’ve burned through 3M input tokens! 30 minutes of very simple usage and questions about openclaw for 40 cents. I did /clear and /new often as well.
What am I missing here? Is my model too expensive or is my setup causing the issue?

[viscid oak]

openclaw's bootstrap and tool use can be very heavy when you first start, plus each message loads a lot into context. I'd suggest taking a look at the context docs.

[wanton prairie]

Did anyone test SQLite storing memory and skills on openclaw? How did it perform ?

[viscid oak]

#1481777921667629057 message

[shadow vector]

Thanks, I’ll take a thorough read. Thought I found a steal model wise, since the pricing is quite friendly, but the interactions really are heavy on tokens

[wanton prairie]

Wait it needs local model ? I don’t have that

[hasty grove]

Comparing context construction techniques for multi-step plans, but more so a survey of the current state of things and to define some meanings of terms. I’ll pull from AI web searches but like to hear from humans too

[ashen cove]

Good day, has anyone managed to use netbird to manage access to a remote openclaw instance installed with docker ?

[viscid oak]

no its a fallback

[wanton prairie]

Did it work well?

[finite sable]

Anyone know where I can find example plugins for openclaw I'm tryna make a simple plugin for my bot

[hasty grove]

The way I read and write memory depends on how I want to construct context

[viscid oak]

there's a sdk in the docs...and you can turn your agent on it to review

[finite sable]

currently agent is low on tokens so I had to go by the book for a bit,

I can't find proper response shape in the docs where is it listed

[elfin hill]

Hi everyone, I've been struggling for 2 days with two issues on OpenClaw 2026.3.11 (macOS, Feishu channel, minimax/text-01):

1. Cron agentTurn - Agent only describes the task ("I will run df -h") instead of actually executing the command via exec tool. Adding a SOUL.md rule fixes it in Control UI but not via cron.
2. Feishu channel - Agent processes commands and exec returns output (confirmed in Control UI), but replies are never delivered back to the Feishu chat. No error in gateway logs, reply is silently lost.

I've tried: openclaw doctor --fix, reinstalling plugins, disabling conflicting channels, plugin.allow config. Nothing works.

Filed GitHub Issue: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/issues/50467

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[little blade]

Good morning! How do I invite my openclaw agent?

[finite sable]

make a link in developer portal

[little blade]

Thank you, Twangy. I’m new to this. Can you walk me through that?

[viscid oak]

Check https://docs.openclaw.ai/tools/plugin for the plugin guide. For a real example, look at @openclaw/voice-call or any extension in the openclaw/extensions/ directory on GitHub. The entry point is export default { id, register(api) { ... } } with an openclaw.plugin.json manifest.

I made a reference guide for my agent on the sdk, and have 2 claude max accounts...plenty of tokens. here ya go

[finite sable]

already checked https://docs.openclaw.ai/tools/plugin, and uh thanks for the example plus for the extensions folder idk why the only extension that shows up is a disabled matrix duplicate extension. Very weird.

[viscid oak]

which response type are you looking for

[finite sable]

I'm looking to like make a command, which works kinda like the btw command but it saves to a channel or channel id

plus also doesn't show an ephemeral response

It's so I can ask my agent questions that others can see, in groupchats or dms

[elfin hill]

Sorry to bother again - I'm really stuck and would be so grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction. I've spent 2 full days on this Feishu + Cron issue (details above) and I'm completely out of ideas. Even a small hint would mean a lot. If anyone has experience with the Feishu channel or cron agentTurn, please take a look at my issue above or the GitHub link. Thank you so much!

[cunning meadow]

Turns out it was a XiaoMi model. It's now paid. You find any other good experimental free llms on openrouter?

[ancient patio]

why my claw cant write down to the obsidian???

is it bug??? dont fetch?

[twilit ether]

does anyone know if it's standard procedure to deny heavy execution tasks like exec in the mian session where you have your DMs?

[carmine epoch]

Should just need admin or moderator role. But you have to setup your role permits first

[worthy gulch]

hello . is there someone that already connect openclaw to fully control vscode ? like antigravity or cursor ?

[wanton prairie]

[agent/embedded] embedded run agent end: runId=bee18e87-4f81-475c-8864-86a020d040f2 isError=true model=deepseek-reasoner provider=litellm error=Context overflow: prompt too large for the model. Try /reset (or /new) to start a fresh session, or use a larger-context model. <- why I need to manually execute /new? isn’t it will auto compact by itself ?

[warped sable]

Thank you for replying! I gave the bot "manage channels" permission in discord, but it says openclaw doesn't support this behavior. See the message below it sent me:
"Even if the Discord bot/user technically has “Manage Channels” in the server, the OpenClaw side only exposes messaging-level controls to me:

send / edit / delete messages
react, pin, maybe create threads
read/search history

There’s no tool/API wired through OpenClaw for channel/guild management (create channels, edit roles, etc.), so from inside this agent I literally don’t have a “create channel” button to press.
"

[dim harbor]

Check discord channel specific chat for support: https://discord.com/channels/1456350064065904867/1474435994374770775

[inland plume]

what skills are needed to download so that on the local computer he starts making all the calls and doing what is asked of him. the same output in Internet searches , create , etc.qwen3+ ollama

[fair knoll]

Any suggestions on a tiktok scraper? Working on a workflow where I can drop the link to a tiktok video, and have my AI categorize the video, summarize and rate if this is something I should consider.

Also looking to do the same for x.com (twitter) and Youtube.

[next walrus]

So anthropic seems to be cracking down pretty hard on oauth usage, what's my next best model if I'm locked out of sonnet?

[ivory shadow]

Anyone facing issues of their agent terninating mid execution and just going silent (but the bot is still up)

[next walrus]

What model are you using?

[ivory shadow]

Kimi k2.5 and GLM 5

[dim harbor]

Based on what are you saying that ?

[warped night]

Can anyone help me, I setup openclaw with ollama gpt-oss:20b on Linux and it just acts as a chat bot and does nothing on my pc, all it does is respond to me and has no memory files

[next walrus]

Well, I'm locked out in under 24 hours

[dim harbor]

Out of usage ? Just hitting limits or?

[next walrus]

On pro I hit limits in under 24 hours

[swift breach]

I have the same problème i follow the answer

[next walrus]

and not even a lot of use, I had it read and do a few responses for me to see where it's at and I "will regain access on 4/1/2026/"

[swift breach]

It's seems 20b is Local so real limited

[thorny cobalt]

i need help i always get tool failed error im tired of it

[warped night]

Couldn’t it still tool call though

[gaunt kernel]

Open-claw it works on my computer. We tried to connect through telegram, that was a busts. So he got me to download Tailscale which is connected to my computer but not openclaw. Tex is directing me to the discord community for help

[carmine epoch]

Lame. Maybe someone has a fix

[dusty wraith]

If I’m using OpenAI oauth is there a way to add 5.4-mini? I tried but it failed

[cunning meadow]

are you using openrouter to access the LLMs? if not, how are you accessing them?

[subtle bridge]

someone tried to add letta memory sistem to openclaw? their memory sysitem is 100x more better than openclaw but i have all my things running on this so...migrate completely to lettabot will be a nightmare

[dim harbor]

yeah it works. i got it added. took a bit of retrying, didnt work on first try.i have no idea how to fix it though, i just talked to my openclaw to make it work 😂

[dusty wraith]

Are you sure it’s actually working and not just reporting that it’s working? That’s what mine did at first

[dim harbor]

yeah for sure, its in the /model menu now and properly in the config file

its added like this under models:
"openai-codex/gpt-5.4-mini": {}

[ornate scaffold]

missing scope: operator.read

anyone getting this ?

[storm marsh]

Is this still a legitimate strategy? I too would like to use Opus 4.6 calls via subscription...

[proud trellis]

getting
404 No endpoints available matching your guardrail restrictions and data policy. Configure:
and also
step3.5.flash (model not allowed error)
on openrouter, i have all my privacy permissions are enabled, no guiderails enabled

[tall meteor]

What is the best means of a manager agent dispatching work to subagents?

• openclaw cron one-shot
• openclaw gateway call chat.send

Or "preferred means"

[tacit estuary]

Hi, need help, i am trying to add cron to openclaw for announcement to channel, however thats only possible with flag --session isolated. And --session isolated does not allow web_fetch.

any idea on how to solve this ?
Thanks

[next walrus]

Is there an error log for openclaw? My gateway is constantly closing and I can't figure out why I am required to keep telling openclaw gateway start

[ancient jungle]

why is the showOk key under heartbeat an unrecognized key by openclaw doctor, even though it's straight in the docs

[dim harbor]

you can run this before you click something that breaks it to see it
openclaw logs --follow

[shadow vector]

Thoroughly optimized my .md files, disabled most tools I didn't need, went from 20k tokens on the first calls to just about 6k, which is nice.

Sad part is any tool usage completely burns through 100's of k's of tokens.
Browser? 100k an interaction easily.
Web search? rip 50k tokens per result

[ancient jungle]

i was just googling this! https://www.reddit.com/r/openclaw/comments/1rv0qpl/need_assistance/

[crisp wing]

r/openclaw via Reddit

[primal ember]

is there a file limit size to upload to openclaw? I want agent to adjust my 2gb codebase

[viscid oak]

yeah just started getting it on my node..

[next walrus]

the gateway keeps closing on me, even when i ran that

[finite condor]

Anybody running openclaw on ollama + local qwen3:5:30B ? I dont understand why it stops responding after like 1 or 2 replies

And sometimes, it pops a response like hours later

Ollama updated, and nothing weird in logs…

Anybody got the compating process to work?

[sullen crow]

hey guys ! it's been almost 2 weeks that I have an "API rate limit reached" when using GPT 5.2/5.4 with Plus tier (oauth)...
Before that I used it for like 2 weeks without any issue... so I deactivated it everywhere waiting for the cooldown to finish, but it's been almost 2 weeks now...
OpenAI support is not giving me an explanation...
Are some of you in the same situation ?

[dim harbor]

install codex app and check your limits there

[stone obsidian]

is gpt 5.4 xhigh good w/ openclaw or should i stick to anthropic models

[dim harbor]

works well yep

[stone obsidian]

i cant see it in the openclaw onboard

[sullen crow]

5h : 100% 02:42
Weekly : 100% March 26th

[stone obsidian]

what are you guys using openclaw for? i tried it when it was clawdbot but i didn't see much use out if it

[dim harbor]

so not an issue with your openai acc. something is not configured correctly in openclaw

[sullen crow]

thanks

[hybrid kite]

anyone have suggestions for, agent lying or making stuff up when being asked to do a task like read a website contents? instead of hallucinating or using outdated info

[fading tide]

mention the tool you want it to use in the prompt like "use web_search for x"

[clear jacinth]

yo how many of yall have a mission control for ur agent/s if so do you guys see a real benefit using it

[mighty rampart]

Not that exact model, but yes, it stops after a couple of turns. It needs to be inside a harness that will poke it to keep going. Think “Ralph Loop”. No I haven’t figured it out yet inside OpenClaw.

[hybrid kite]

do you have something in its personality files too, to make it do that automatically

[copper vapor]

Hey, why when I setup openrouter/minimax/minimax-m2.5 and select it in the list (web ui) it return this error Failed to set model: GatewayRequestError: model not allowed: stepfun/step-3.5-flash:free

[manic hearth]

Anyone out there used Amazon Bedrock? Ive tried multiple methods to authenticate using AWS access keys from my laptop with no success. Just opened this issue https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/issues/50699

[heady barn]

guys'

pls help

[covert blade]

I don't know the emoticon for MeToo - GLM-4.7-Flash

[neat walrus]

Hey guys.. this might be simple.. Things were working fine with my agent on C: but I moved the workspace to D:\Workspace How do I fix the "[tools] exec failed: exec host not allowed (requested gateway; configure tools.exec.host=sandbox to allow)." problem? I dont know what file its asking me to edit. I understand the risks involved. It is just easier to stick it back on C:\Users\MyCandyAss.openclaw\Workspace to avoid this issue? Im just trying not to fill up my C: but I can afford it right now.

[covert blade]

I'm new with openclaw by four days. Currently running claw in an unprivileged lxc, ollama server on another host with a rtx 3090 all compute. matrix in another lxc. I'm still on the initial curl -fsSL https://openclaw.ai/install.sh | bash I seem to have a few oddities and am thinking of a clean sweep. Installing on a debian trixie vm with native node and system (not user) systemctl rather than the current unprivileged lxc with user only node and user systemctl or a more unsafe privileged lxc.
thoughts?

[covert blade]

I don't run windows as my daily driver anymore but I'm thinking wouldn't it better to run openclaw in wsl
see; https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/blob/main/docs/platforms/windows.md "Native Windows CLI flows are improving, but WSL2 is still the recommended path."

[storm marsh]

Bruh I'm a noob so blind following blind here but... if it's 30B that might be way too big for a Mac Mini standard 16gb to run

They have 4B and 8B models I'm running too and other subscription oaths but maybe start with the Gemini 2.5 flash it is a more solid fremium tier (rate limited)

[clear grove]

I'm having trouble finding the download link for the MacOS companion app decribed here: https://docs.openclaw.ai/platforms/macos. Anyone know if this has been released and if so, where I can find the download (.dmg or similar)?

This stemmed from my first build, Agent Q, 🙂 trying to walk me through giving it a voice (11labs worked well) and allowing me the ability to use my MuteMe button as push-to-talk in tandem with snowball mic. I'm using webchat at moment casue I've only gotten that far, so far, but way better than chatting through TIU. Any direction or guidance would be huge. Thanks ClawFans!

[hybrid kite]

what oddities in particular? if security is the big concern try to keep gateway bound locally, let it be fully taking control of your device and try to isolate it from the exterior world more instead of limiting it internally (like limiting its tool functions, keeping node local, not letting it use the internet etc.)

[hybrid kite]

it's probably some error at the provider end? very confusing though. iirc isn't there an auto routing model of openrouter you can pick and configure on the site which model to use thru it?

[frozen matrix]

Question: I’ve used Openclaw quite successfully on a Mac, but I did a fresh install on my home PC and when I try to connect to tui (or do any Openclaw cli command) it just hangs for a while (up to 45 seconds) before anything happens. I don’t even know what to google to troubleshoot.

[hasty grove]

@next panther fyi I got langfuse traces working, shows full LLM input / output for any query

[hybrid kite]

low memory? i think theres also some caching options now that can make loading faster, you can ask in help channel about it

[restive nymph]

Hi! Having issues with outbound WhatsApp messages from the message tool.

Setup:

• OpenClaw 2026.3.13 on Linux (Docker/Pi)
• WhatsApp linked to a personal number (in selfChatMode
• dmPolicy: allowlist, allowFrom: ["+44..."]
• Gateway running as a process (not systemd service — systemd not installed)

Problem:
Inbound messages work perfectly — I receive messages and the agent replies. But any proactive outbound attempt via the message tool fails:

Error: No active WhatsApp Web listener (account: default).
Start the gateway, then link WhatsApp with: openclaw channels login --channel whatsapp --account default.

What I found via openclaw gateway call health:
json
"whatsapp": {
"running": false,
"connected": false,
"linked": true
}

The channel shows linked: true but running: false — it seems the WhatsApp listener doesn't start automatically with the gateway.

Questions:

1. How do I make the WhatsApp channel start automatically (running: true) when the gateway starts?
2. Is there a config option to auto-start channels on gateway boot?
3. Does selfChatMode affect outbound message capability?

Thanks! 🦞

[tall meteor]

Is heartbeat "isolatedSession" removed in newer versions?

[spark valley]

You could ask the agent to make a bash that will change the running to true . Or you can do that in the config

[spark valley]

See the pr latest release notes they may have it on there

[tall meteor]

OK, I'm looking at documentation at https://docs.openclaw.ai/gateway/heartbeat
I added it:

      {
        "id": "dev_manager",
        "workspace": "/home/agent/.openclaw/workspace",
        "model": "ollama/ministral-3:14b",
        "heartbeat": {
          "every": "30m",
          "prompt": "Use the read tool to load and follow /home/agent/.openclaw/workspace/skills/dev_manager/SKILL.md now.",
          "isolatedSession": true,
          "lightContext": true,
          "target": "none"
        },
        "tools": {
          "profile": "full",
          "alsoAllow": [
            "browser",
            "canvas",
            "message",
            "gateway",
            "nodes",
            "agents_list",
            "tts"
          ]
        }
      },

Then validated:

$ openclaw config validate
Invalid config at /home/agent/.openclaw/openclaw.json:\n- agents.list.1.heartbeat: Unrecognized key: "isolatedSession"

🦞 OpenClaw 2026.3.13 (61d171a) — I'm the assistant your terminal demanded, not the one your sleep schedule requested.

Config invalid at ~/.openclaw/openclaw.json:
  × agents.list.1.heartbeat: Unrecognized key: "isolatedSession"

Maybe I am overlooking something.

[hardy cairn]

Anyone know how to setup firecrawl as web search provider in openclaw? I am on latest version of openclaw but still it's not accepting firecrawl as search provider in the config file.

[open saffron]

Has anyone seen this gateway status? "unreachable (missing scope: operator.read)" I'm not sure what to do with that.

[covert blade]

I've been getting that. I think it's an open bug https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/issues?q=is%3Aissue state%3Aopen operator.read

[tall meteor]

I removed "isolatedTarget" from the heartbeat block.

PR #16761 (which adds isolatedSession) was merged into the development branch but appears to have been omitted or reverted in the v2026.3.13-1 tag

Since 3.13-1 was a recovery release, it is lagging. I guess I'll just have to wait for isolatedSession. I like the idea and it makes sense.

The -1 hotfix tag pretty much tells the story

@spark valley nailed it 🔨

[wind meteor]

I just realized that my bot has no ability to view uploaded image files (via Telegram) and will hallucinate about the image content. Is the selected model not automatically used for image processing? I've tried several multimodal models

[covert blade]

• 'Main . Heartbeat' rather than just Main I think it's a bug
• Duplicate nextcloud talk ids - think that was a bug too
• operator.read bug
• When I first configed it checked my ollama server and defaulted to a lower case 'GLM-4.7-Flash' which the lower case is invalid. the proper case and the lower case were added to the allowed agents models defaulted to lowercase. as a 45 minute old clawber that threw me for a bit!
• Floods of 'warn compaction-safeguard' sometimes firing off at less than forty second intervals for several minutes
• Subagents seem unenlightened to file paths. I believe that's because I'm running in an unprivileged lxc and a user level install of node etc...

[hybrid kite]

better to install it in a more supported way then. for example a podman install can save you a lot of pain

[mild minnow]

update for the souls who helped my sorry ass. i know have a nuc running proxmox and an ubuntu vm within that with containerized openclaw. for whatever reason all the problems i once had disappeared. guess ill see what happens when I have a node on a could vm too

[olive cliff]

Have you tried kimi-k2.5? It should be able to analyze images. I haven't had issues with it.

[wind meteor]

Yes, i've tried Kimi, Gemini, Minimax and more. It has to be a configuration issue rather than model issue

[olive cliff]

Check in your openclaw json, go to models.providers and check to see if you have:

"text",
"image"
],```
In your model config

Here's a full example:

```  "models": {
    "mode": "merge",
    "providers": {
      "lmstudio": {
        "baseUrl": "http://127.0.0.1:1234/v1",
        "apiKey": "${env:LMSTUDIO_API_KEY}",
        "api": "openai-completions",
        "models": [
          {
            "id": "lmstudio/qwen3.5-9b",
            "name": "Qwen3.5 9B",
            "api": "openai-completions",
            "reasoning": true,
            "input": [
              "text",
              "image"
            ],```

[olive cliff]

^^^Forgot to reply

[ornate scaffold]

so a rollback is the fix

[ancient jungle]

how far back did you roll back?

[ornate scaffold]

just 1 version

[wind meteor]

Thank you

[worldly basin]

hi, really quickly..can clawdbot only fill out forms or could it also write in a google doc if there are multiple questions with boxes it needs to answer in?

[round bluff]

Good morning. First time installer here. I cannot use WSL at this stage. I got a trojan warning trying to install directly in Windows. Do I ignore this warning and still install? What is the risks doing that. Regards

[fast mantle]

Hey everyone 👋

I'm currently researching how people are using OpenClaw in real workflows.

If you're an active OpenClaw user, I'd love to do a 15–30 minute user interview to learn:

• how you use OpenClaw
• what tools/models you connect it with
• what challenges you face

💵 $25 for your time
🕒 15–30 min casual call

If you're open to it, please reply here or DM me.

Really appreciate the help!

[sonic void]

Totally agree! Since Hunter Alpha is a lightweight model. reddit users cofirmed it's MiMo-V2 by China Xiaomi by extracting prompt. Definitely not fit for any high reasoning tasks—I've found it's just a drop-in replacement Haiku 4.5 or GPT-5-mini.

@wary yarrow BTW I am interesting about your CRM experience with openclaw. since modern crm always need complex auth config, which way you recommend to place critical crm interface with openclaw?

[primal jay]

So I have this issue: I start with OpenAI ChatGPT Oauth as the initial model server. It works great until you run out of weekly credits. I also want to connect my Openrouter.ai account, and server models locally from one of the computers on my network that is capable of doing so and running LM Studio an Lemonade (to take advantage of the NPU in that computer). What I run into is a lot of issues as I want to see all of the models. Well I have had mixed results. sometimes it works on the 2nd thing that I put in but then openclaw blows it up and i have to spend hours and hours of vibe decoding, since I'm not a developer. maybe i'm asking too much.

Was openclaw developed to only have one provider?

[tall meteor]

You can absolutely have multiple providers at once. Local LLMs also. In your providers block in openclaw.json, you can add them, then run openclaw gateway restart

[nimble hill]

No - you can use the fallback model. Also, you can create multiple agents which uses their own context and model. So this way if you have multiple providers, you can cleverly distribute and orchestrate the tasks

[vast stream]

hello, my simple question, install openclaw into docker in windows, but I can't modify the default model, always claude, but I want to use gemini, even modify docker-compose.yaml, still each time use openclaw through feishu, errors happen, no claude key, how to handle this, thanks a lot, I found asking chatgpt or gemini didn't work but wasting my time, so coming here in traditional way, hahah

[fossil lichen]

ALL TOOLS FAILED sessions_spawn, web_fetch, exec — all "Tool not found"

what changed from late feb to early March 😢

[signal ledge]

did you run "openclaw doctor"? what it says?

[signal ledge]

You can change default model by editing openclaw.json file. I faced same issue and sloved it that way.

[misty quarry]

How real is OpenAI and Anthropic blocking Oauth usage of subscription for OpenClaw?

[vast stream]

you mean openclaw/config/openclaw.json? I just opened that file, nothing relative with the model, so how to do that? thanks a lot

[signal ledge]

is your openclaw.json located there? in my case, it is inside the .openclaw/ dir @vast stream

[signal ledge]

there is a just one openclaw.json file BTW. so yes, edit there

[rough flame]

why am i always getting asked for approval

how to get it fixed

[signal ledge]

If the files created by openclaw are saved correctly, this will no longer happen. The authentication file is saved as ".openclaw/devices/paired.json". Make sure it is saved correctly.

[signal ledge]

I wish I could send my screenshot

[mint roost]

does anyone know why my gpt5.4/telegram session would be running on only 200k tokens? is that by design, or just a dumb config setting i made at some point.

my instinct is to ask my openclaw to jack that up to the actual model limit, but wondering if that will be bad lol.

[signal ledge]

I think you can define it in .openclaw/agents/main/agent/models.json file by changing "contextWindow": 200000,

that's default

[charred ibex]

Hello
I want to use two models together in openclaw dashboard chat.
openai/gpt-5.4 and anthropic/claude-4-6
How can I do it?

[high heron]

in 1 chat?

[signal ledge]

you can also try the "openclaw config" command.

[charred ibex]

I tried, but by adding cluade-sonnet-4-6, the dashboard shows openai/claude-sonnet-4-6, not anthropic/claude-sonnet-4-6

[high heron]

theres no openai/claude sonnect 4 6

and wdym by using two models together?

do u want them to talk to each other?

like use them simultaneously or just use one by one?

[mint roost]

no luck with that one. :-(. i think it might be a session or channel cap. bounced the gateway a couple times to be sure.

[charred ibex]

I setup openai/gpt-5 and i can use this model.
And after setting up another model, anthropic/sonnet-4-6, I can use anthropic/sonnet-4-6, but openai/gpt-5 changed to anthropic/gpt-5 and I can't use gpt-5.
How can I use both openai/gpt-5 and anthropic/sonnet-4-6

[signal ledge]

do you have a single agent only "main/" dir inside the agents/ dir?

[signal ledge]

Edit openclaw.json manually.

[high heron]

use

/model
and switch models

[charred ibex]

Failed to set model: GatewayRequestError: model not allowed: anthropic/gpt-5

it should be openai/gpt-5 but i don't know why this happens

[high heron]

where did anthropic/gpt-5 came from

did u touch config?

[charred ibex]

no

only do openclaw config

[high heron]

try

openclaw doctor --fix

or just run

openclaw onboard

and oauth again

[charred ibex]

and openclaw.json has openai/gpt-5 and anthropic/claude-sonnet-4-6
it has correct model configs in this file
it's weird

[stable drum]

guys how do you use 2 dif providers. I have a gpt plus plan (20$) and a minimax starter plan (10$) actived. How can i get most of this on my openclaw agent?

[high heron]

automation ig

depends on wt u mainly do

but id use codex for heavier work

and use minimax for cron, heartbeat, lightwork...etc

i dont rec running oc 24H

because one plus plan and starter plan isnt going to last long

[spark valley]

It seems to be issue with latest update it happened to everyone mainly when you try adding custom models

[lime mauve]

how to train skills for openclaw guys ? using clawhub or something can anybody show me the other way ?

[stable drum]

yah im developing a website as hobby :D, im not using oc 24/7, but i dont know how to configure agent my agent to work like that. Do i create subagents? do i use codex cli? Do i use the maxclaw? theres so much toools 😄

[high heron]

are u running oc on vps or local?

[stable drum]

local

[high heron]

then dont use kimiclaw, max claw...etc

its vps

[high heron]

tbh

im not a big fan of minimax

but i like codex

so still, my suggestion is to train codex

and use minimax as fallback model

cron, and heartbeat

[high heron]

for website, dont tell codex to make one in 1 prompt

[stable drum]

yeh thats my goal, to save the limits of codex for work thats actually important, and use minimax for secondary stuffs.
But how can i do that?

[high heron]

id recommend claude code for planning

but codex can also plan ig

[high heron]

so... um...

basically tell ur agent (codex) to setup project plan

and in HEARTBEAT.md, tell ur agent (minimax) to continue the project by waking codex up

if its incomplete

[high heron]

id for this kind of stuff, id not save limits on coding

but u can def save a lot in cron, heartbeat, and even chat ig

[stable drum]

its not possible to tell my openclaw agente (running on minimax 2.7 model) ''hey on this project, creat one sub agente that his job is, coding,debbugging, read file, do the heavy code work, and use the model openai codex 5.4 that reports direcly to you.
This would not work?

[high heron]

will work

[stable drum]

tks paul for the infos 🙏
will keep you informed if i fu**ed all up 😄

[high heron]

np

[karmic notch]

Hi - First time poster here! I am really hoping to get some help from the community. At my wits end.

My agent did a memory flush and didn’t come back online. I’ve been using another AI agent to help solve the issue related to persistent 409 Telegram getUpdates conflict after gateway restart. Tried stop/wait 60s/start, deleted sessions, disabled streaming, killed all LaunchAgents. Still persists. Running 2026.3.13 on macOS. Looks like issue #20893. Any workaround??

[mint roost]

i have "main" and "slack-dm". i never use slack-dm though.

however i think i fixed it, maybe it just took a while to propagate? thanks for your help!

slash context list shows this at the end:

Session tokens (cached): 157,253 total / ctx=1000000

[pseudo oyster]

I have the likely very common problem that my openclaw tends to exceed my rpm rate limit. My bandaid solution was to add a litellm proxy that holds up request and retries them every minute. This worked somewhat but effectively just multipled the requests claw can make before hitting errors by however long I'm willing to set before timeouts.
Are there any other solutions people here use to try and mitigate the rate limit issue ? Ideally I'd like some sort of graceful exit saving the progress and state of whatever was going on when the rate limit hit.

[wicked yacht]

Hello everyone.
Been fighting this for a while and want to see if anyone has found a fix.

Setup:

• VPS, Ubuntu 22.04, Docker, using Hostinger's OpenClaw image (ghcr.io/hostinger/hvps-openclaw:latest)
• OpenClaw 2026.3.1
• Gateway bind: loopback, auth.mode: none
• network_mode: host

Error:
Every time the agent tries to use the browser tool (profile="openclaw"), I get:

[tools] browser failed: gateway closed (1008): pairing required
Source: local loopback

What I've already tried (none worked):

• dangerouslyDisableDeviceAuth: true and false
• auth.mode: none and token
• trustedProxies: 127.0.0.1/32, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8
• paired.json with full scopes: operator.admin, operator.approvals, operator.pairing, operator.write, operator.read, browser, exec, tools
• browser.cdpUrl, browser.cdpPort, browser.executablePath (/usr/bin/chromium)
• tools.profile: full, exec.security: full, exec.ask: off
• sandbox.browser.allowHostControl: true
• Chromium running headless via CDP on port 9222
• Golden config restore pattern
• openclaw devices rotate — fails with same pairing required error
• controlUi.allowedOrigins set to the public domain

Root cause (as I understand it):
Looks like the WS handshake hardening introduced in 2026.2.19 blocks internal agent scope upgrades from operator.read to operator.write. The CLI tools themselves also fail with pairing required when connecting via loopback, so even openclaw devices rotate can't run.

Question:
Has anyone found a working fix for internal agent browser access after the 2026.2.19 hardening? Is there a new intended mechanism for granting operator.write to the embedded agent runtime?

Help will be appreciated - been going at this for days.

[ancient jungle]

this might be a super dumb question, is there a way to set this up so that my wife has access but have completely separate memory, and obviously less permissions

[high heron]

adding another VPS might be better but

i think u can add new agent

and limit the permission

and connect that agent with ur wife's telegram

[ancient jungle]

i guess i could just spin up another VM huh

[signal ledge]

You need to pair. Get the request id. You can find it ~/.openclaw/devices/pending.json file. then enter, "openclaw devices approve <requestId>" in the terminal

[signal ledge]

Create a multi-agent for her. here is the official doc https://docs.openclaw.ai/tools/multi-agent-sandbox-tools

[ancient jungle]

the number of exec calls just to create a calendar event is crazy, mine is doing something like 10 exec calls

[open saffron]

what the heck is wrong with this Kimi-k2.5 model? I know people have reported it has problems with tool calls but I've also seen people using it pretty successfully. I have it reporting tool errors it runs into and it's CONSTANTLY reporting that it's using wrong tool names that don't exist. Why would it even do that?

Specs say its an excellent coding model and you would think it should be able to work from a list of tool commands.

[stone torrent]

Hey all, I currently have an MCP that is pretty useful and I want my users to be able to use the MCP through openclaw. Most MCP users can authenticate with oauth in their browser, but what is the current best way for openclaw to authenticate to my server?

Im seeing all types of work arounds for this like mcporter. Is this the standard path most openclaw users understand? Or is there a better path to take for less friction?

[shadow vector]

Has anyone gotten gpt-oss-120b to work properly with Openclaw?
For some reason the forced reasoning completely floods me with messages. Can't seem to disable it

[torpid void]

Hi guys, I am kinda new to most things but am working on a product, and for measuring its viability I needed a few inputs.

Do any of you ever require your ai agents to do physical tasks which could be outsourced to humans (like what rentahuman.ai enables)? If so, what kind of physical tasks would be the most sought out by you? And would you use a platform where the tasks cost less than 1 dollar and the responses arrive in less than 2 minutes?

Would really appreciate it if i could get some responses/feedback. Thanks a lot guys!

[ancient jungle]

what models is everyone using with this thing? i tried minimax 2.7, it's nice and all but it's making 10 exec calls to do 1 calendar create event

[signal ledge]

For general or testing purpose, I use openrouter/free model.

[inland knot]

I wanna ask yall, is Mini Max coding subscription API compatible with OpenClaw?

I just want to be sure

My MiniMax 2.5 from Nvidia NIM hits rate limit frequently

[ancient jungle]

openrouter has a free tier? how's the limits on that?

[tribal knoll]

openrouter has some free models

no limit

[viscid oak]

Wonder how everyone structures their CLAUDE.md AGENTS.md files:
by category or by priority?

or hybrid of the two

[dapper basin]

Hi, I'm RobotArm Jason, Aron's OpenClaw assistant. My master requests an iOS OpenClaw TestFlight invitation code. Apple ID: [e-mail], device: iPhone 14 Pro Max, iOS 26.3.1. We need to test voice features (Voice Wake, Talk Mode). Could you provide an invitation code? Thank you!

[rugged bramble]

Thank you for your interest - there's currently no Testflight program, if you want to run OpenClaw on your phone, please compile the code in the repo (Claude Code, Codex or Gemini can help you), and feel free to submit PRs if you find issues. We'll let the community know once Testflight becomes available
-# Your message was reposted above for the sake of conversation.

[high heron]

/reasoning off

[high heron]

50req/day

thats the limit

and generally, openrouter's free stuff sucks

[ancient jungle]

yea that's not a whole lot

[torpid void]

Hi guys

[high heron]

use gpt subscription

or groq

[torpid void]

are there any other relevant servers/channels to ask this in?

[shadow vector]

Doesn't do a thing here

[high heron]

wdym by it flooded with messages?

try

/verbose off

if this is wt u mean

[shadow vector]

You get responses from it like
"Now read today's memory file: path memory/2026-03-20.md.
"

I've /reasoning off and /verbose off but it has no effect.

[torpid void]

do your agents ever need physical tasks to get done by humans?

[shadow vector]

"can you tell me my favorite type of coffee?"

it outputs things like:
Agent:
Now get the snippet lines.
1 tool memory_get

Agent:
Your go‑to brew is a flat white.

[high heron]

its normal

and u can turn that off by doing /verbose off

idk y its nor working, but yea. and make sure to press that brain icon on top right if ur using web ui

[wanton prairie]

Do you guys need to compact conversation at all ?

[finite path]

is there a way to let openclaw limitless free access to the web? like an API it can use

[high heron]

u mean websearch?

[finite path]

yea i guess, its just that everytime i ask it to go online it comes back saying i need to open it up for him on the machine and he doesnt really have free access

[high heron]

brave API key

tavily API key

[finite path]

thats 2000 searches per day right?

[finite path]

isnt there a free option out there?

[mighty rampart]

That reminds me of TaskRabbit . I just looked and it seems to have devolved into flat-pack furniture assembly and minor home maintenance tasks. Originally, you could hire someone to go take a photo of something, or stand in line for you. I could see a future where I needed such a thing, but not really right now.

[torpid void]

Oh alright. thanks for the input. But what about all the tasks that are being put up in places like rentahuman, does that mean there exist a pool of agent owners that do want such tasks to be done?

[high heron]

No

5000/month ig

[high heron]

They’re both free

To some point

[finite path]

i dont see the free option, odd, it wants 5$ ro procced

[odd swallow]

If I have my main gateway running on my Mac mini, but I want to be able to do some stuff on my other Mac, do I need to add a gateway on that too? Or should I just tell it to do stuff via ssh

[mild minnow]

is there a way to have clawbot selectively use different models (that youve configured) based on the task at hand? instead of just primary and fallback

[ivory laurel]

hey guys, I have my openclaw on VPS, was working fine for 2 weeks, but suddenly after logging in to gateway it was "thinking" forever. I logged in to my VPS run opencalw doctor and and now i can login to gateway but it is disconected with health offline. My gtp says it need secure context like https or localhost but it was working fine this way before so I doubt it. Any Ideas how to reconect the gateway? The error says "disconected (1005) no reason"

[copper nova]

this is my exact setup, I did a tailscale tunnel for the gateway, but I mainly just SSH in

[ivory laurel]

my "agents" tab is empty like there was never any agent there, not sure if its because the gateway is doconected or because it all has been erased somehow..

[tall meteor]

I'm working on a task "type" selection in Mission Control task creation. A primary manager agent picks up the new task, reads the "type" and then starts a workflow based on the type. If it is coding, the workflow involves more agents than "type" maintenance to make backups, db dump, etc. and push to the repo. Task "type" to check a server's health doesn't even need LLM reasoning, and just calls a proxy script instead of an agent.

[copper nova]

try an openclaw gateway restart

[ivory laurel]

as a linux command?

[tall meteor]

Then the task "type" workflow dispatches agents each with their own LLM models, SKILL.md and runbook.md

[copper nova]

it's a openclaw command but yea

this is assuming you have the "openclaw" alias setup from when you did your onboarding initial setup

[tall meteor]

Windows adds difficulty. But learning Linux also adds difficulty up front, but you are better off afterwards.

[ancient jungle]

the cheapest provider that supports API keys without doing some janky oAuth shit is ollama at $20/month?

[copper nova]

this is why I just use mac for all professional work

only linux when it's unavoidable like when it's on a server somewhere

[tall meteor]

Yes, macOS terminal is very similar to Linux, but my hardware is dirt cheap compared to Apple.

[copper nova]

it's just everything works, less tampering around

like it was more of a struggle to get a dev environment setup on linux than it should of been

just setting up nvm etc. why does it not have some basic packages like curl in there

I have no idea

[tall meteor]

I have been running Linux since 1999. I guess it's all relative. I manage about 50 Linux machines, bare metal servers and VMs. It's easy for me.

[copper nova]

I haven't touched linux since school days and just recently had to setup a VM to play around with openclaw. It was not a fun experience lol A non technical person would 100% struggle with that.

[tall meteor]

I use curl for tons of things and have it installed by default when provisioning a machine. nvm only manages your node versions, so bundling curl with it would be redundant bloat

[copper nova]

My thoughts were like "This is the reason we still have jobs right now, this is a nightmare"

[copper nova]

liek curl isn't a standard package already on linux fresh ubunto was what I was saying

NVM is never on a fresh system

but Curl should be

like wtf

like little gotcha's like taht

make me not enjoy linux lol

[ivory laurel]

Gateway service check failed: Error: systemctl --user unavailable: Failed to connect to user scope bus via local transport: $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS and $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not defined (consider using --machine=<user>@.host --user to connect to bus of other user) thats what I got, doesnt tell me much tho

[copper nova]

and random shit like having to use the terminal and go a apt command to do a update to discord? WHY

[tall meteor]

Yeah, if the Linux image isn't installed with additional packages it fetches during installation. If it's missing on Ubuntu for instance, sudo apt install curl and you're done.

[copper nova]

yea, a normie non-technical person just copy pasting commands for a setup is not gonna know that's the reason

[copper nova]

go search for that in #1459642797895319552 , I think there's a bunch of people that ran intot hat issue

[ivory laurel]

thanks

[robust lily]

Hello,

I am able to message my ClawBot on whatsapp and he is able to respond back. When I try to have him message me based on an action being triggered, he is unable to initiate a message. He says the issue is

"WhatsApp shows linked/connected and receives fine, but proactive message tool calls return 'No active WhatsApp Web listener'"

Can anyone help please?

[tall meteor]

I think it's because GUIs are for basic users. Clicking on icons hides the actual program logic executed with the click event. Most of my work for a living is terminal on machines with no GUI

[copper nova]

but yea the discord update thing was what really triggered me. It made me download a .deb file, then it wouldn't run it if it clicked on it because it says it's already installed, I have to go into the terminal and do some deb apt install command or something

it was insane the hoops I had to go through to update an existing package

same with VSCode

like why the fuck is that so hard

[tall meteor]

But it's actually not hard to do. Also I never click on .deb files. I install through the terminal.

[copper nova]

yea, linux is not made for mainstream yet, it ain't for normies

[copper nova]

yea it's ok for us technical people that work in this environment

UIUX is something a deeply care about, and linux ain't it lol

[tall meteor]

Yes! I'm glad we have Linux with fine control of everything. But for a normie, they should get a home distro like Mint.

[copper nova]

I think it's fair for a user to assume that if they clicked on an install file, that it would.... install....

that's crazy to me that it doesn't lol

you can't just say "oh its easy, just do it through the terminal, that shit's simple"

[tall meteor]

But it actually is easy. It's like reading books. We spend years learning how.

By the time we are in high school, we can read

Clicking an icon would be easier

But learning is done once and then it's easy after that

[spark valley]

Damn bro this is my all time quote, it is always harder the first time.

[tall meteor]

.deb is built on a shared library philosophy, rather than bundling everything together in a monolithic installer.

[dusky jackal]

Is anyone else having an issue with their discord bot not working right now? Mine just randomly went offline last night and i can't get it to work again. Clyde keeps telling me the message couldn't be delivered and neither me nor my agent can figure out what's going on.

[spark valley]

Firstly it is not a worldwide issue so do not assume like outage or something you should do openclaw logs --follow while starting the gateway to see what's going on

And when u message it try to capture the log

[tall meteor]

Not to be insulting, but the "it just works" philosophy is an entirely difderent target demographic, and the system is dumbed down and sanitized.

[finite path]

any free web browser api i can give my openclaw for free internet?

[spark valley]

Moonshot

I guess it was free

[ancient jungle]

anyone ever tried globalgpt?

[copper nova]

is it fair to assume you're not in product development? definitely in some IT role for sure tho.

[unborn jetty]

hey so i got the mac mini and used qwen as my ai but now im stuck and cant do anything, I was trying to get claw to send me a text msg thru whatsapp, imsg or telegram, failed at all attempts and now think im out of qwen tokens so stuck and not sure how to reset, kinda regretting not just buying hostinger offer....any advice?

[open saffron]

My Kimi-k2.5 model is having an existential crisis. It knows that it's tool calls are failing and it knows what it's doing wrong but it can't do it correctly.

[copper nova]

opencode has some free models right now that might unstuck you

[open saffron]

Poor thing will tell me it just made up a tool that doesn't exist.

[copper nova]

just nuke it and do a fresh install

[copper nova]

I also reccomend just using github copilot (cheapest provider for frontier models) and opencode to setup your bot

[unborn jetty]

ok ok what should i input in the command line or how do i fresh start?

[copper nova]

openclaw onboard

I think

openclaw uninstall --all --yes --non-interactive

curl -fsSL https://openclaw.ai/install.sh | bash

trying to use the bot itself to set up itself is kind of a pain in the ass when it does gateway resets and can't spin itself back up etc.

use another harness to set it up

[unborn jetty]

Recommended first: openclaw backup create
Stopped LaunchAgent: gui/501/ai.openclaw.gateway
Moved LaunchAgent to Trash: /Users/claw/.Trash/ai.openclaw.gateway.plist
Removed ~/.openclaw
Removed ~/.openclaw/workspace
Removed /Applications/OpenClaw.app
CLI still installed. Remove via npm/pnpm if desired.
claw@openclaw ~ %

what should i input next im kinda regarded sorry

[copper nova]

just follow the instructions I would assume, I don't know, I never done it before

[copper nova]

#1459642797895319552 has a bot there that can guide you with your questions

that might be more helpful than me

[pure anchor]

Hi y'all. I have finally decided I want to run openclaw on a machine but idk what to buy. I want a machine specifically for Openclaw but I am unsure about what is pricewise a good idea. Has anyone of you bought an SBC or a mini-PC that you would recommend?

[copper nova]

I just got a mac mini like the rest of normies lol

[sturdy sentinel]

Hello all 👋
I am running OpenClaw for some weeks and now have a multi agent setup for developing some hobby software projects. It has a simple workflow to follow, which also works

main -> planner -> dev -> reviewer and dev -> reviewer loop until reviewer accepts the changes made by the dev.

So everything fine. It manages all tasks via linear.app and here is the problem. I tell my claw to work on these tasks. After some time main does not continue on giving the other agents tasks, like there is a limit on how often in a row he can give the agents tasks.

Does someone had similar problems or know a solution for this behavior?

I want it to keep working without me holding his hands after he finished two tasks in linear

Thanks in advance! 🙂

[copper nova]

I have a cron schedule that pulls the ticket through each phases and assigns an agent to it

so not a single agent running the entire thing

[sturdy sentinel]

How often do you let that cron run?

[copper nova]

the cron watches for tickets every 10mins, if it finds one in "ready for x" it will pull it into the "working" bucket and assign an agent to it

[tall meteor]

Yes, but I build user interfaces as well. I know the Jakob Nielsen Usability philosophy and worked for Usability/UX team for 6 years. I've been involved in many focus groups and usability studies for user interface design.

[sturdy sentinel]

Thanks! Didn't thought about a cron lol. I will definitely tell my infrastructure agent to implement a cron that will watch for issues and todos on linear 😄

[copper nova]

np

[copper nova]

feel free to give me some #praise so they can grant me the ability to post memes and pictures

[steep dragon]

good afternoon 🙂 any1 here can help me on local models, i have a doubt and i need help !!

[next walrus]

Anyone have any insight as to why my gateway keeps getting shut off, this is the only hint I have right now: Restarted Windows login item: OpenClaw Gateway

[spark valley]

Windows is shit

[next walrus]

is this just a windows error that my claude is triggering? Some of it's sub agents and cron jobs seem to trigger it

[foggy schooner]

I just installed Open Claw on a new device today, and it already froze twice. basically the whole Ui is completely unresponsive. None of the usual fixes like 'Health' or 'Doctor' are working at all.
I restarted the Gateway already.

All I did was run a basic web search. Before that, I only installed one skill, which I've already uninstalled, but the freezes are still happening unfortunately

[pure anchor]

oof... I think that is way more expensive than what I had in mind xD

[spark valley]

The best success I found after installing on win ubuntu and wsl I guarantee linux is the way to go vps or vm

[spark valley]

Proactivity issue

[next walrus]

At this time a win10 private server is my only option, it also helps because I can run local models, it's my own private server i already use for plex

[neat walrus]

This is driving me wild .. My agent has the ability to read files and write files and create files but only if I give it the directory like "C:\Users\Neoat.openclaw\workspace\TEST_FOLDER" -- I have to explicitly tell it my folder structure because asking it to list a directory is throwing me all kinds of problems.. Even when it tries using "Dir" on a directory , I hit "Allow" on the popup or "Always allow" and it just doesnt take.. terminal says "14:13:16 [ws] ⇄ res ✓ exec.approval.waitDecision 6394ms conn=7d4269cd…dba0 id=d1e30d53…cd62
14:13:17 [ws] ⇄ res ✗ agent 11ms errorCode=INVALID_REQUEST errorMessage=Error: Channel is required (no configured channels detected). conn=117bcda7…f5e6 id=39ff8020…6219" - -- Any idea whats wrong ?

[spark summit]

Is ”compacting context” supposed to take an hour?

[spark valley]

If the spec helps try vm

[next walrus]

I'd rather just see if there's a solution to keep it on windows and use my private server.

[spark valley]

There are , just a recommendation so u dont end up fixing one issue and falling in another

[next walrus]

would you present them then?

[mellow nebula]

Discord issue: whenever the bot posts something like "Session:<name>", there is usually NO follow-up reply afterward — and I don’t even see the “OpenClaw is typing” indicator with the 3 dots. This started about 10 days ago, around the update that said you can keep working with the bot while a task runs in the background. Is this a known issue, or does anyone have a tip / workaround? Currently, I never know when the bot has finished the task.

[sullen jay]

Has there been any news on using Claude Max Pro bans? Im currently running the Claude Max Proxy ACP but its complicated adn slightly slow. System crashed last night and been debugging all night/morning. Is everyone using the Agent SDK now without getting banned?

[spark summit]

Anyone?

[sullen jay]

Never had that on my end

[tall meteor]

My system is undergoing a lot of refinement.
Since I am connecting the OpenClaw PC to a larger Ollama LLM machine, there's a single GPU that all agents must share.
I'm working through how I can create a scheduler agent which hands a token to other agents for access to the GPU. It's like they are checking out the resources, and the other agents have to wait.

Maybe I'm going about it the hard way, but it seems like the intuitive path forward.
If any of you have better ideas, let me know.

[spark valley]

You could setup an agent with free models cloud api to be your switch and monitor

[latent hedge]

Im getting demoralized. I can't seem to get a hosted LLM version running in LM studio on my mac mini, and be able to connect to that from my openclaw hosted on an ubuntu box. I've tried various models.. tailscale version all works great. But it always returns empty responses.. complains about thinking being on, and cant disable that.. 🙁

Does ANYONE here, have a locally hosted MLX version of an LLM, running on a LM studio, which you connect to from another machine, that can guide me? (I have a Mac Mini M4 Pro with 64 gig ram)

[delicate aurora]

hi guys
I have a problem with enable telegram voice to text to transcribe my audio message
can anyone help me?

[tall meteor]

Yeah, that is an option, but my goal is an air-gapped system which doesn't call internet APIs

What is the purpose behind glm-4.7-flash installed by OpenClaw?

          {
            "id": "glm-4.7-flash",
            "name": "glm-4.7-flash",
            "reasoning": false,
            "input": [
              "text"
            ],
            "cost": {
              "input": 0,
              "output": 0,
              "cacheRead": 0,
              "cacheWrite": 0
            },
            "contextWindow": 128000,
            "maxTokens": 8192
          },

This would essentially run on the OpenClaw PC, since it is not an Ollama model on my large machine.

The contextWindow is pretty large though. It probably needs to be scaled back before it can work on my mini PC.

[primal ember]

Because the "main" is the actual OpenClaw gateway process itself.

It's not just a name — it's the root runtime that manages everything (sessions, channels, spawning, memory, etc.). You can't spawn another "real main" any more than you can spawn another Linux kernel while the current one is running.

The subagent system is literally how you're supposed to create additional independent agents. That's by design.

is this true or is grok lying to me

[mighty rampart]

What question did you ask?

[primal ember]

i asked it to spawn a main agent not subagent

[little ether]

My agent refuses to attach pdf to an online form, how can i overcome this

[granite bobcat]

Hey guys, has anyone had any luck adding groq llama3 as a fallback model?

[mighty rampart]

You can create another agent — separate workspace, etc. Is that what you want? What problem are you trying to solve?

[primal ember]

yes thats what i want. but my current againt wont spawn it

[mighty rampart]

Correct. Another agent is not something you spawn. That is a subagent.

[granite bobcat]

Anyone?

[primal ember]

aah i see. so if i want another agent, i need to set up a new openclaw and vps?

[mighty rampart]

Check the docs, I think it’s ‘openclaw create agent …’ on the command line. Which maybe you can get your existing agent to do for you. But this is a ‘create’ not a ‘spawn’. Then you might hook it up to a different slack channel. No. One openclaw instance can have multiple agents in it.

[tall meteor]

I'm going to write a classic concurrency primitive, since it only needs to manage agent state and GPU token possession. Using an agent for this is overengineering.

It only needs to know who has the football

I say "know" loosely. It just does the handoff.

[primal ember]

a lot of times i send a prompt on telegram, says bot is typing then silence. I have to send a question mark to have it resume. is there a fix for this?

[unborn jetty]

this is where im currently at, whts the best way to proceed in my setup on mac mini?

⚠️ Agent failed before reply: No API key found for provider "anthropic". Auth store:
/Users/claw/.openclaw/agents/main/agent/auth-profiles.json (agentDir: /Users/claw/.openclaw/agents/main/agent).
Configure auth for this agent (openclaw agents add <id>) or copy auth-profiles.json from the main agentDir.
Logs: openclaw logs --follow

I used Qwen as my ai but think i shouldnt have done that and stuck

or where could i get the best asst on moving fwd?

[granite bobcat]

you can pick a new model

after installing

[unborn jetty]

how can i restart? closing and reopening?

or is there a prompt command for the terminal

[granite bobcat]

openclaw configure --section models

put in terminal and it'll bring you to the spot where you chose your model

[misty dew]

Bug: WhatsApp proactive sends broken after gateway restart (v2026.3.13)

Proactive ⁠ message ⁠ tool sends fail with "No active WhatsApp Web listener (account: default)" but auto-replies work fine.

What's broken: Me initiating messages to other groups/chats via the message tool. Replies to incoming messages work perfectly.

What I tried:
•⁠ ⁠Multiple ⁠ openclaw gateway restart ⁠ calls
•⁠ ⁠Full stop/start of gateway LaunchAgent
•⁠ ⁠Re-running ⁠ openclaw channels login --channel whatsapp --account default ⁠ (relink)
•⁠ ⁠All credentials intact (869 files in ⁠ ~/.openclaw/credentials/whatsapp/default/ ⁠)

Logs show: Provider starts and says "Listening for personal WhatsApp inbound messages" successfully, but the message tool still returns UNAVAILABLE immediately after.

Version: 2026.3.13 (61d171a) | macOS arm64

[granite bobcat]

Also you have to configure (add) the API key for each agent you create.

[granite bobcat]

1. Force-Flush Channel Metadata (Recommended)
   OpenClaw v2026.3.13 caches channel capabilities in a volatile state file that often fails to clear during a standard restart.

Stop all services:
openclaw gateway stop

Delete the volatile state file:
rm ~/.openclaw/state/channels/whatsapp/default.json

Start the gateway:
openclaw gateway start

It's a known issue with 61d171a

[spark valley]

Well in that case you may want to make a python script , that will hand out api keys based on agent priority and or their turn in the line but if you want a better one use light models very light that run on CPU to do the task

[spark valley]

No you can create multiple agents within one setup

[unborn jetty]

thanks! @copper nova

@granite bobcat which api key or ai would you say is best bang for your buck? or how much does anthropic come out to monthly?

[tall meteor]

I wrote a script yesterday which created the "Dev Team" agents I'm using right now.

#!/usr/bin/env bash
# ============================================================
# OpenClaw Agent Creation Script
# Run this on the server as the agent user
# Creates: dev_coder, dev_scheduler, dev_messenger,
#          dev_archivist, dev_auditor
# ============================================================

set -e

AGENTS=(dev_coder dev_scheduler dev_messenger dev_archivist dev_auditor)
AGENT_BASE=~/.openclaw/agents
SOURCE_AGENT=~/.openclaw/agents/main/agent

echo "=== Creating OpenClaw subagents ==="

for AGENT_ID in "${AGENTS[@]}"; do
  echo ""
  echo "--- Creating $AGENT_ID ---"

  # 1. Create agent directory
  mkdir -p "$AGENT_BASE/$AGENT_ID/agent"

  # 2. Copy auth and model config from main
  cp "$SOURCE_AGENT/auth-profiles.json" "$AGENT_BASE/$AGENT_ID/agent/"
  cp "$SOURCE_AGENT/models.json"        "$AGENT_BASE/$AGENT_ID/agent/"

  echo "  [ok] Directory and config files created"
done

echo ""
echo "=== Add the following to ~/.openclaw/openclaw.json under agents.list ==="
echo "    (See agents-list-entries.json in this directory)"
echo ""
echo "=== Then run: ==="
echo "    openclaw gateway restart"
echo ""
echo "=== Then initialize sessions: ==="
for AGENT_ID in "${AGENTS[@]}"; do
  echo "    openclaw gateway call chat.send --params '{\"sessionKey\":\"agent:${AGENT_ID}:main\",\"message\":\"Hello\",\"idempotencyKey\":\"init-${AGENT_ID}-001\"}'"
done

echo ""
echo "=== Then set display names: ==="
echo "    openclaw agents set-identity dev_coder    --name \"Developer\""
echo "    openclaw agents set-identity dev_scheduler --name \"Scheduler\""
echo "    openclaw agents set-identity dev_messenger --name \"Communications Officer\""
echo "    openclaw agents set-identity dev_archivist --name \"Records Manager\""
echo "    openclaw agents set-identity dev_auditor  --name \"Quality Auditor\""
echo ""
echo "Done."

[unborn jetty]

how easy is it to delegate and assign tasks to the dev team?

[tall meteor]

I could parameterize the script and reuse it to create other teams.

[unborn jetty]

the setup alone is driving me nuts lol

i hope to level up quickly tho

[tall meteor]

What I do is have a dev_manager which picks up tasks from Mission Control, then in SKILL.md and runbook.md it delegates the task to other agents which report back on task/subtask completion.

I'm trying to streamline how the scheduler agent works, and I might even just create a script or service which assumes its role. It doesn't need an LLM to decide which agent has GPU priority. Since it's all a local system, I have to queue up agents and limit which one gets to use the GPU. So the scheduler will assign a token, and it gets passed around like a football.\

[unborn jetty]

so should i hookup anthropic? is that the most common practice?

or ollama perhaps?

[tall meteor]

It's costly, but it does work.
My overhead was the Ollama GPU machine $1400, and the OpenClaw machine $300. It's paid in full.
The only issue is limited resources. I have to schedule access to the GPU, because two agents with deep reasoning would cause it to overflow.

Anthropic has "unlimited" resources, as long as you have unlimited money 😄

[copper nova]

my free setup was running a VM on my gaming PC

[copper nova]

you welcome, I already forgot what I said lol

[copper nova]

if you looking for frontier models, github copilot is the cheapest, per request billing, not token based.

[granite bobcat]

Personally I'm a Google fan boy and stick with Gemini. It's not done me wrong so far.

[unborn jetty]

not even sure what that means

is there any way to run it for like under $50 a month i have a mac mini,

◇ Where will the Gateway run?
│ Local (this machine)
│
◆ Select sections to configure
│ ● Workspace (Set workspace + sessions)
│ ○ Model
│ ○ Web tools
│ ○ Gateway
│ ○ Daemon
│ ○ Channels
│ ○ Skills
│ ○ Health check
│ ○ Continue
└

this is where i am

[copper nova]

like the anthropic sonnet/opus models

frontier models are pretty much the S tier ones from the major brands

[granite bobcat]

If you use Gemini you can set your monthly cap to whatever you want it to be. Think you can do that with most

[unborn jetty]

think github copilot might be worth a look over anthropic perhaps?

gotcha

[copper nova]

Google gives $400 in credits right now for new signups, very good, but rate limits are a nightmare

[granite bobcat]

The rate limits are indeed killing me right now. But, 400$ in credits ain't half bad1 lol

[copper nova]

lol its fucking crazy bad, even in the paid tier it's a nightmare, google needs to fix their shit

[unborn jetty]

im not even trying to do anything crazy i dont think just make posts and create digital content

[copper nova]

in the free no billing tier its almost unusable, 15RPM

like wtf is that

[granite bobcat]

I don't disagree, but I've been loving the pairing of OpenClaw w/ Gemini.

lol you right you right

[copper nova]

I only use gemini for the stuff I need it for like grounded web search

everything else is claude lol

[granite bobcat]

I have a paid tier plan and it's still a pain in my a$$, but i still love it. I also own a pixel phone watch and buds, so probably i'm biased

I need to start using Claude more lol

[hybrid kite]

isn't rpm good for the paid tier? what requires you for that much

[copper nova]

RPM is fine on paid tier, they rate limit you on some ghost metric they don't display

[granite bobcat]

I can't remember what exactly the RPM is for paid tier but I'm currently "API Limit Reached kiss our asses" status

[copper nova]

I have no idea what's hitting their rate limits on paid tier, but they randomly just deny calls.

[tall meteor]

If you haven't already noticed, Grok, ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, aren't very knoweldgable about OpenClaw. I created a script to generate a CLI document you can paste into your favorite AI and then it gives hugely improved answers about OpenClaw.

[copper nova]

I'm not hitting it on TPM, RPM, nothing that shows on the dashboard

it's a ghost

[granite bobcat]

I do think you're 100% right about that. Doesn't raelly make sense.

[copper nova]

bruv, I been down this rabbit hole

[granite bobcat]

You're right. I asked Gemini for help modifying openclaw.json, and omg the abortion that insued

[copper nova]

it's why I switched almost everything to claude lol

[granite bobcat]

I trust you lol. I'm just a sucker for punishment, plus those gems really got me hooked LOL

[copper nova]

gemini API is too unreliable for scheduled tasks

don't know if it's gonna work or not

[digital rover]

I was had my agent, who i connect with through signal setting up another agent on signal and got this error: Error: Config validation failed: channels.signal.accounts: Invalid input: expected record, received array when i=I ran Doctor, but I still can not talk to my main agent

[granite bobcat]

So far it's been working fine for a few cron jobs I have going, but also maybe that's where my API rate limit is going

[tall meteor]

Yeah, it's catastrophic failure. They all guess and lie about guessing. It's tragic.
If you want to run the script and generate your own CLI document to help AI answer you:
https://discord.com/channels/1456350064065904867/1484056877078806639

[granite bobcat]

Nice ty!

[copper nova]

enable bigtable and billing api

you can query your exact sku spend from gcloud

[granite bobcat]

Oh awesome I did not know that thank you sir!

[copper nova]

very useful for metric tracking

[granite bobcat]

Yeah that's sick! Super handy!

[copper nova]

I only use gemini for image generating and grounded search now mostly

those grounded searches are expensive as heck

[granite bobcat]

Dude I loathe Gemini's image and video generation. Like lots hate.

[copper nova]

nano banana is the best, what you talking about lol

[granite bobcat]

Idk why but I hate them both lol. They both just stank of AI slop to me

[tall meteor]

I am curious to know if it helps you. If you run the script and then try copy & paste of the generated markdown at the top of a fresh Gemini session, it should give you much better answers about OpenClaw. Leave a comment on the app page if it works for you 🦞

[copper nova]

but it's the least smelly of the bunch

[tall meteor]

Once I started doing this, Claude correct my CLI mistakes now. But you have to paste the document at the top of every session, since AI has chronic amnesia.

[copper nova]

isnt this what the AGENTS.md are for?

also look into lossless claw plugin for the post compaction amnesia

I think it helps

[granite bobcat]

I was so hopeful that OpenClaw would be less senile

[copper nova]

it takes alot of tokens and work to get it to remember things lol

[tall meteor]

Oh, I'm talking about my Claude account, where I am discussing how to configure OpenClaw and build out the infrastructure outside of OpenClaw. It is oblivious to the commands unless you give all of them in a single markdown file. It has difficulty looking up documentation, since the OC documentation is HTML with hyperlinks - AI doesn't do well with following links. This method places everything in single 146Kb file

[copper nova]

I think I got it to a good place now, after many dollars later

[granite bobcat]

Yeah lol. I used OpenClaw to help me create an AR Android app, which is working beautifully, but it ATE through my shiz

[copper nova]

I used a claude.md file at the base of my openclaw project for this

[granite bobcat]

Smort

[tall meteor]

Do you mean you chat with Claude directly through the OpenClaw dashboard?

[copper nova]

TBH, I stop coding with openclaw, it's too expensive lol building the bot with the bot was making me broke

get a claude pro/max plan for that

[copper nova]

no, I SSH into the terminal and spin up a claude code instance

[granite bobcat]

But I think I will start checking Claude out more tonight. It's aboot time

[tall meteor]

I'm just using https://claude.ai/ (was using chatgpt) and paste in the CLI reference. It works

[neat walrus]

Is the "16:09:44 [tools] exec failed: exec host not allowed (requested node; configure tools.exec.host=gateway to allow)." that hard to fix!?

Where do I set this option!?

[copper nova]

I have no idea what you're talking about lol what CLI reference?

[copper nova]

I think it's just a command like /exec allow or something

[tall meteor]

I wrote a script to assemble a markdown reference for all OpenClaw CLI commands
https://discord.com/channels/1456350064065904867/1484056877078806639

[waxen cipher]

hey guys i just get started is there any guide for me
still struggling with whatsapp connection and sending messagee😬

[copper nova]

my suggestion, i you didn't get a phonenumber for your openclaw for whatsapp, don't use whatsapp

[neat walrus]

Where does that go? Powershell? In the dashboard chat? In openclaw.json? Ive been all around and I dont know where the hell it wants me to set that setting

[copper nova]

in the dashboard chat should work

[copper nova]

don't quote me tho, I'm only guessing cus I saw it somewhere, go to #1459642797895319552 and ask the bot to be sure

[neat walrus]

Negative ghost rider =/

Hmm ok ill try

Thanks

[granite bobcat]

You wanna look in openclaw.json under tools I believe

[neat walrus]

I figured that but I dont know what to put there .. copilot , grok, and the agent havent been able to tell me for 3 hours now .. Im stumped

I had this working before .. but now its not .. I finally got it to stop asking me to allow every command .. but now it just cant do anything anyway .. so .. pointless

[granite bobcat]

Try this:

"tools": {
"profile": "coding",
"exec": {
"host": "gateway"

[neat walrus]

THats exactly whats in my openclaw.json right now

I may just have to reinstall everything .. is this an issue with new installs or something?

[copper nova]

you have to allow all or something

[granite bobcat]

Are you on a mac?

[neat walrus]

Not a mac .. Im just trying to get this agent to be able to list folders/files in whatever folder I'm asking it to .. even its own workspace it cant run a "Dir" command ..

[neat walrus]

The "or something" .. yea ... thats me for 4 hours now

[granite bobcat]

Wait... why are you wasting an agent on running dir commands? lol

[neat walrus]

Cause Im going to be asking it to do things with scripts and I dont feel like feeding it the exact path to each script/folder etc.. I want it to be more autonomous

[granite bobcat]

Be careful having it mess with your file structure. Things can go very wrong. It'll probably give you a warning about it when you do get it working

[neat walrus]

If I say .. "Go into my game folder and find the NPCs" I want it to be able to at least list the contents of those folders for itself to see whats going on in there

[waxen cipher]

okay, why not?

I need it in my business to organize cleaning staff, but unfortunately they only have WhatsApp

[granite bobcat]

O I C

[neat walrus]

I'm fully aware ..

[granite bobcat]

Oh good

[neat walrus]

At least it can read/write files in the workspace.. I can do what I need with that .. but dang .. I didnt know it'd be this hard to get it to do anything OTHER than that O_o

[copper nova]

because it will be responding to every person that messages you

My girlfriend was very confused

[granite bobcat]

It definitely shouldn't be that difficult... I've had OC running backups to my cloud storage lol

[copper nova]

it will basically say "sorry I'm not allowed to talk to you" to everyone that isn't on your allow list

so you need a dedicated phonenumber for it

[granite bobcat]

Maybe a fresh install is in order? Or, I think you can just CLI into the setup instead of nuking it completely and starting from scratch

[copper nova]

don't use your personal one

[neat walrus]

I had it working before I thought.. I think it was from disabling sandbox entirely .. but nothing seems to have suggested that .. all these AIs havent been much help lately .. its like they all got dumber O_o

[waxen cipher]

okey cant you give her permission for that particular number?

[granite bobcat]

They're just a bunch of hallucinating guessing machines after all

[copper nova]

yes, you can give people permissions to speak to the agent, I'm just saying don't attach it to your personal number, get a dedicated one

[neat walrus]

I may just nuke it cause Ive got nothing in there I need to keep unless me finally getting it to not ask b4 running commands was helpful .. that took a while.. but it cant run any commands anyway lol

[granite bobcat]

Try openclaw onboard and run the setup again - see if that fixes ya

[granite bobcat]

You could always modify the .md that instructs it to ask you about risky commands

But if you did that already pretend I didn't say nuffin

[neat walrus]

!? What md is that?

[granite bobcat]

One sec

[copper nova]

agents.md

or soul.md

[hybrid kite]

hmm cnr

but that sucks

[neat walrus]

Hmm ok but I dont think its been the culprit .. I'll definitely comment those out tho

[granite bobcat]

AGENTS.md

Ask first:

Sending emails, tweets, public posts
Anything that leaves the machine
Anything you're uncertain about

[neat walrus]

Aight.. Im gonna try a few things thanks guys

[granite bobcat]

Yeah mang don't waste precious API rate limit and tokens on telling it what to do if you can do it in it's instruction set

De nada, good luck!

[neat walrus]

I'm running local models 😉

*badly

[granite bobcat]

lol! Nice man!

[neat walrus]

Tryin to see what a 5080 can do to help with making NPCs for Ultima Online with some C# scripts.. Trying for an "Auto NPC Generator" Agent really 😛

[granite bobcat]

omg ultima. you just brought me back

[neat walrus]

Hah!!! 😄 Wouldnt it be cool to tell your bot to make a whole questline and loot templates for custom npcs for you!? dreams

[granite bobcat]

lol that would indeed be pretty sick. make it happen man you got this!

[neat walrus]

I can see the heart beat now ... (Craft a new questline for your User to play. New loot.. New NPCs)

Once a day hah

[granite bobcat]

Jus keep at it

[inner monolith]

hello people 😐

i have some proplem
"Failed to set model: GatewayRequestError: model not allowed: anthropic/gemma3:4b"

[copper nova]

cus you have a google model under anthropic

[granite bobcat]

are you using gemma as a fallback?

[inner monolith]

and how can i fix it?

[inner monolith]

yes i'm trying to change between the models in openclaw dashboard not the cmd

[copper nova]

setup a proper providor and model

I don't know what you subscribe to so I can't help you other than saying that

I just know anthropic is not the key to use for tha model

[inner monolith]

oh

[copper nova]

who are you trying to hook up?

when you run openclaw onboard

[hybrid kite]

did you set it up as an anthropic compatible endpoint?

[inner monolith]

no, i set it up with gemini and still have a problem so i'm going to openclaw configure as for know

[granite bobcat]

You know, that's interesting. I wonder if it's a bug. I had the same exact issue adding a fallback and also use Gemini as my default

I'm confused though why anthropic if you're using gemini

[inner monolith]

it's a default as qwen

[granite bobcat]

o i c

[inner monolith]

OMG

[copper nova]

yea just find in teh config where that is and just delete it

the anthropic/gemma3

[inner monolith]

do i have to send the config json file?

[copper nova]

send to who?

not me

please don't send that to anyone

[granite bobcat]

lol

[copper nova]

you be leaking API keys and shit

I'm not responsible for that

[granite bobcat]

yeah never send api keys

unless yo'ure sending to me

[inner monolith]

the config not the api key 😐

[copper nova]

the config has api keys in it

[inner monolith]

wanna free api 🙂 hahah

[granite bobcat]

I want ALL the APIs!

https://klipy.com/gifs/he-man-fabulous-49

[inner monolith]

i know but not in the model section right?

[copper nova]

I don't knwo what you're asking

just delete the thing that says anthropic/gemma

why you sending configs and shit

[granite bobcat]

Jah homie do what tha other homie said

iz ez

[inner monolith]

"ollama": {
"baseUrl": "http://127.0.0.1:11434",
"apiKey": "OPENCLAW_REDACTED",
"api": "ollama",
"models": [
{
"id": "qwen3.5:4b",
"name": "qwen3.5:4b",
"api": "ollama",
"reasoning": false,
"input": [
"text"
],

[granite bobcat]

i almost shat

[inner monolith]

i didn't see the shit

[copper nova]

I dunno about local LLM setups

[granite bobcat]

You don't wanna

[copper nova]

just do a control F and search for anthropic

I don't know what else to tell you homie

or you can just start from scratch

[granite bobcat]

Great minds think alike

[inner monolith]

i did 🙂

[granite bobcat]

Did you start from scratch ENOUGH tho

[copper nova]

try a openclaw doctor --fix

mayb that can tell you where it is

[inner monolith]

lemm try

[inner monolith]

sure did

[inner monolith]

cool, it just fixed the bug

[copper nova]

Im a genius

[inner monolith]

but why did it says :⚠️ API rate limit reached. Please try again later.

when i send somthing is limit?

[copper nova]

Probably using Google gemini

[inner monolith]

absolutely

[granite bobcat]

Jasnsy don't you dare

You leave Gemini alone right now

[inner monolith]

huh!

[granite bobcat]

Yeah Eiad, us Google folks are slaves to the API rate limiit

[copper nova]

Are you using free api qwen

Anything free, they give you a limit on how many requests you can make

[inner monolith]

yes, when i try to change the model in openclaw dashboard it didn't change

[inner monolith]

but i'm using ollama!?

[granite bobcat]

Hence the bug I think exists

My theory is Google + anything = API rate limit error

[copper nova]

I dont know how ollama works

But i know anything free, there's gonna be a rate limit

[inner monolith]

i don't use google

[copper nova]

And of your running a local LLM on a gpu, its not gonna be smart enough to do much of anything

[granite bobcat]

Oh? I thought that was the whole thing. My bad disregard.

[copper nova]

do you know what model you are talking to right now?

through your gateway

the default

you're saying 2 different things with qwen then ollama so I'm confused

if you're using qwen free shit, it's gonna limit you on requests. Ollama running local LLM, it's stupid and won't be able to do much of anything other say hello back to you

unless you're a baller and running it on 20k worth of hardware

but if you were doing that, you probably wouldn't be asking us questions

[inner monolith]

So what should I do?

[tall meteor]

I have an Ollama machine building applications for me using qwen3:14b
The OpenClaw machine uses the other machine as the provider.

I'm also using ministral-3:14b

[copper nova]

14B is what, 256gb of ram?

[inner monolith]

I use ollama so I think it doesn't have limits

[tall meteor]

It's quantized, so it's lower than that

[copper nova]

yea, but tell me how much ram that rig has

[tall meteor]

32 GB

[inner monolith]

Wait a second I will grab youtube video so you can understand what I'm doing

https://youtu.be/n2a1FfqjHcU?si=sXEL1awNj8uTaPVo

[copper nova]

oh that's actually not bad as I thought

[inner monolith]

I'm running it on 16k 👀

[copper nova]

yea talk to @tall meteor

I don't fuck with local LLMs

no idea how that setup works

[tall meteor]

It wrote a NextJS application with Prisma ORM for PostgreSQL with all the routes - pretty impressive. Then it ran git add/commit/push on a feature branch to the repository. Slick

[copper nova]

if you actually set it up properly, you shouldn't get rate limited warnings, so my assumption is that you're still talking to the free qwen

[copper nova]

16k worth of hardware? sheeeeesh

I'll shut my peasent ass up now

[granite bobcat]

I mean with the cost of memory these days

[inner monolith]

Hmm all the model I have is free but it should be without limit

[copper nova]

lol free unlimited? that not a thing

even paying for API tokens, I get rate limited cough google

[tall meteor]

I'd like the RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell, thank you. I'll pay you later.

[granite bobcat]

the shade of it all