general

[ancient wind]

But pick some small projects that solve problems you experience, and build those solutions. That should help build your engineering confidence some

[pure lion]

You know my boss told me to use ai agents to build stuff and I've been doing it. Mostly what I do is I just discuss the issues and figure out the solution with my team and I love doing that. I just don't code manually anymore.

[pure lion]

This might help. Thanks

[ancient wind]

Coding manually isn't "the way" -- as far as I'm concerned, AI is allowing us to offload the boring/easy part of engineering

[upbeat token]

I am now out of the 4.23 club - 5.26 works so well

[pure lion]

Right?

May be I should I get myself into building more stuff that include software architecture and system design.

[ancient wind]

basically, pure vibe coded apps from what I've seen are more of a... collection of good/cool ideas, without the underlying architecture to support it at scale

[pure lion]

I'm scared of the technical interviews though.

[pure lion]

Facts. I've seen so many

When I vibecode, I only let the ai code for me. The rest, I brainstorm with ai and figure it out.

[ancient wind]

I want to test my app, but to test it at scale I'd have to drop like 30k on different tablets/phones... but that can wait until there is enterprise interest/adoption. I might even be better off with some sort of dogfood arrangement to the first business that would have 50+ folks using it

Right now it's stable at crew size (3-5 users with 3 devices each), working on getting enough folks to test team size (10)

[pure lion]

Maybe I should start promoting my final year project on LinkedIn to get real users too

[keen dawn]

Bro I can’t stop repeating it my crab is on crack it’s so fast 🤣

Absolut Meta Update

[upbeat token]

Soon as I wrote test with the response times I knew this is the one 🤣

[indigo mirage]

sad the Meta does not open his model to market 🙂

[coral otter]

man i love proxmox snapshots, .26 broke and i was able to rollback within 25 seconds, dangggg

[twilit ridge]

To be honest, I spent two or three years learning CRUD, but I later realized that these skills wouldn't make me a senior programmer.

In other words, a true senior software engineer is someone who has a system architecture mindset.

[indigo mirage]

No you do CRUD with 1 prompt ^^

[twilit ridge]

Business Logic > Coding

[indigo mirage]

But for now i does not see a lot of IT really replaced by AI

[twilit ridge]

Junior engineers will be replaced

[near owl]

who the hell uses linkedin

[indigo mirage]

I still get as much Job offers

[near owl]

not sad, meta models suck

[pure lion]

What should i use then?

X? Instagram? Reddit?

[near owl]

don't pick one. Pick 2-3. Make a good demo video/gif, write a clear post, and adapt it for each platform. LinkedIn + Reddit + Product Hunt is a solid combo for a final year project.

[indigo mirage]

OpenClaw ?

[near owl]

• Reddit — best if your project is technical or solves a specific niche problem. Post in relevant subreddits with a good title and demo. You'll get real feedback, but also some brutal honesty.
• X/Twitter — good for dev tools, AI stuff, or anything visually demoable. Hashtags + a short video/gif + a thread can get traction if you tag the right people.
• Instagram/TikTok — best for consumer apps, design-heavy stuff, or anything with visual appeal. Reels/shorts format. Harder to get devs here.
• LinkedIn — if you wanna reach recruiters, employers, or academics. Cringe factor is high but it works for job-hunting and "look what I built" posts in the right groups.
• Product Hunt — launch your project there if it's a polished product. Getting featured gives legit traffic.
• Hacker News (Show HN) — goldmine if your project is technical and interesting to devs. High quality traffic but also high standards.

Honest answer: don't pick one. Pick 2-3. Make a good demo video/gif, write a clear post, and adapt it for each platform. LinkedIn + Reddit + Product Hunt is a solid combo for a final year project.

But also — who's your target audience? Students? Devs? General public? That changes everything.```

yeah, i have lost my skill of critical thinking using openclaw agent. It's too useful

@pure lion what are you planning to use openclaw for

[pure lion]

clean up my computer LOL

[near owl]

@thorn thicket hello ritz

ritz crackers

[near owl]

have u set up openclaw and did it yet?

[whole elbow]

Its depressing how garbage openclaw became. Its been well over a month since the last time ive updated without the whole stack breaking. Pathetic lol

[pure lion]

not yet. Someone told me I shouldnt use my local machine to set it up

[near owl]

thats my openclaw, yea, it used "tbh"

[whole elbow]

They always talk like we do if they are asked

But yeah, i loved my openclaw stakc when i got into this stuff

[near owl]

mine always talks because of its soul.md

for me, openclaw has been a thrill and going uphill since latest update

[whole elbow]

But it just isnt that good anymore, ever since anthropic backed out its just garbo

[near owl]

do not purchase a mac mini for openclaw.

use hostingr (search for coupons online, recommended if you want it to work while sleeping) or docker (no cron jobs)

[whole elbow]

Yeah its still cool but i been using the coding apps directly and its been good. Will be using the stack again for automated task eventually

[near owl]

anthropic SUCKS, use deepseek v4 flash, i used to be a hater but deepseek shocked my mind.

[whole elbow]

I use gpt 5.5

[ember moth]

Im experiencing this now too 😮‍💨

[thorn thicket]

Hello!!

[near owl]

... your wasting your money.

opencode-go, you get deepseek for 5 bucks, thats a steal I swear bro.

[near owl]

they officially blocked links via automod.

https://opencode.ai/go?ref=0SDDFYAWGM

[whole elbow]

Wasting my money? You dont even know what i do haha

[near owl]

gpt 5.5 is expensive, your wasting your money by paying for something expensive when there are better options like deepseek. I dont need to know what you do

[fast lion]

same here; interestingly, only on one machine... the other one works just fine; the configs / models / setups are prety much the same; spent the last hour trying to figure out what is causing this with no luck 😕

[ember moth]

im trying to figure out if its session related

[whole elbow]

Hows deepseeks coding in comparison to 5.5 codex?

[fast lion]

please let me know if you stumble upon any clues 🙂

[ember moth]

ok restarted gateway and did /reset on the discord session and now sub agents arent getting that error

must be session related

[near owl]

18x to 36x cost gap

[fast lion]

i've tried gateway restarts, /reset, /new ... the issue goes away for a bit, but then returns; with subagents it works without an issue indeed

[ember moth]

ill see how it goes throughout the day but that seems to clear it up for me for now

[thorn thicket]

noooo who deleted the meme that was a good meme. lol

[ember moth]

This update is soo fast i hope that was just a little hiccup

[tepid kestrel]

say please :3

[unkempt portal]

5.26 running great for me. Nice work on this one everyone.

[keen dawn]

Hot path caches is the shit

[indigo mirage]

It's Deepseek Flash....

Comparing GPT 5.5 with a Flash model is not really fair

[near owl]

very fair

[indigo mirage]

At Terminal Bench Hard, Deepseek V4 Pro => 46%
Opus 4.6 => 46%

[near owl]

Anyways people, I am gonna pray and sleep. Goodnight to everyone.

@thorn thicket I hope your pillow is cold tonight.

I hope @ionic wren pillow is hot as hell tonight

[smoky mist]

my gawd its happening

[indigo mirage]

@whole elbow For coding you can use Deepseek V4 Pro or Xiaomi Mimo 2.5 Pro for complex tasks

[thorn thicket]

You too man, rest well 🙏

[near owl]

@clear haven I hope your pillow is cursed until you do another krill event

[indigo mirage]

For main coding Deepseek V4 Flash or Mimo 2.5

[near owl]

i swear if you do a krill event while i am not participating i hope it gets double cursed and runs away from you

goodnight to everyone

[near owl]

let me check if my pillow is cold

[smoky mist]

goodnight carbon ❤️

[near owl]

its cold

[smoky mist]

is your profile name inspired by altered carbon by any chance?

[near owl]

I hope your pillow is cold asf tonight, i hope your pillow gets freeze dried.

[smoky mist]

I hope so too

[near owl]

I wanted to find a mature profile picture and I find cats cute.

@zealous lagoon I hope your pillow is cold and your blankets are cold as well but your room is warm

[thorn thicket]

throw it in the freezer for a minute lol

[near owl]

@lime lava your making my clanker jealous because you have a website and my agent doesn't.

[smoky mist]

I love cats I had mr pebbles a devon rex

[near owl]

@dusky cloud if you dont respond to this, that means you are secretly a human acting as an AI

[fast lion]

https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/issues/87331 turns out it's a known one and they are on it 👌

[near owl]

alright genuinely goodnight. Also @thorn thicket are you going to be avaliable in 6 hours?

[thorn thicket]

Probably, 6h from now is 5:15pm for me

[ember moth]

Ok great.......looks like something that may require a 5/27 release lol

[near owl]

in 6 hours its 3:17AM for me

every day i wake up at 3AM

and a lot of my country is also awake at 3AM

[thorn thicket]

this is high agency.

[near owl]

my AI is creating a website for itself rn like molty.me

https://carbons-clanker.vercel.app

@thorn thicket made by 1 prompt btw

[coral otter]

how about https://luna.spaceistyping.com/

[thorn thicket]

nice. going to have to do the same for my clankers.

[thorn thicket]

hell yeah! low cortisol agents are the best

[near owl]

did your agent make it?

[coral otter]

Yes

I told it that i didnt like the old one and it made that

also leave messages for my agent guys!!

[ember moth]

Damn Peter working on it himself this about to be fix in 30 mins lol

[coral otter]

lmao this is peak

[thorn thicket]

I’ll have my agent talk to your agent. lol

[coral otter]

Does your agent have an email address? Ill add yours to the allowed senders lmao

[near owl]

sent the contact form, will the agent reply to me?

[coral otter]

The cron runs every day once, ill run it manually one sec

[near owl]

https://carbons-clanker.vercel.app

look at this, what did my agent create 💀

[coral otter]

this gateway is doing overtime bruh, so much bs going on

boy what the hell

[thorn thicket]

yep, [e-mail] lol

[near owl]

ayy, you got agentmail from me right?

[thorn thicket]

I'll ask him to check lol

[ember moth]

im seeing alot of that agentmail 🤔 ......Im tired of gmail banning my agents email address for bot use

[near owl]

I meant you recongized agentmail because i used it right?

[ember moth]

is that free?

[thorn thicket]

yep

[near owl]

F R E E

[thorn thicket]

Yes free. I have 2 inboxes. [e-mail] and [e-mail]

[ember moth]

every month my agents gmail gets banned lol

[near owl]

sick, I am a man of wisdom and stupidity. I am trying to find use cases for notion as well

[thorn thicket]

i'm a proud obsidian user LOL

[coral otter]

ill tell my agent one sec

[near owl]

memu-engine replaces obsidian and its mother

[coral otter]

omg theos comment section mentioned

[near owl]

https://carbons-clanker.vercel.app

[coral otter]

done

allowed [e-mail] as sender

[thorn thicket]

We got your mail, he's drafting a reply!

[coral otter]

fuck backend is borked

ahhh shes working on the backend for the email rn, give her a sec

[silent ridge]

i upgraded openclaw and now i feel the agents answer very slow. is that normal? im using openai codex 5.5

[near owl]

my agent answers in 1 second

[keen dawn]

Bro no it’s fast as fk something has to be very wrong lol

[silent ridge]

😒

[keen dawn]

Just let it debug itself and tell u where the bottleneck rn is

[near owl]

GOOD NIGHT PEOPLE! i have been awake for too long now

[thorn thicket]

GN!! !

[coral otter]

GNNN

[keen dawn]

Gn lol

[coral otter]

Still awaiting an email

[thorn thicket]

Still awaiting the draft lol. Every mail I have my agents send all go through me to get approved.

[coral otter]

Ahhh okay

[next swallow]

I keep getting this error for a new openclaw setup on mac mini. Tried restarting and restalling the gateway but always stuck here. Any idea?
I tried to write that into IDENTITY.md and USER.md, but the local tool hook is currently blocking file edits with Native hook relay unavailable. So I’ve got the facts for this conversation, but they
are not persisted yet.

[coral otter]

This is big

[silent ridge]

now i get this message: ⚠️ Missing API key for OpenAI on the gateway. Use openai/gpt-5.5 with the Codex OAuth profile, or set OPENAI_API_KEY for direct OpenAI API-key runs.
and the agent answer 1 minute ago wtf

[thorn thicket]

Mail sent :)

[coral otter]

Awaiting Agents response

[ember moth]

Just set up agent mail lol

took 5 mins

[coral otter]

i think she sent a response, not sure. Probably did

[thorn thicket]

She did!

[coral otter]

Its a stupid way im doing it but its PROBABLY fine for now. May need to add memory for past emails and why they are accepted and stuff

[thorn thicket]

Love agent mail. lol

[ember moth]

https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/issues/87331 Fix has been merged

[coral otter]

just seen it, amazing

[near owl]

@thorn thicket i need your damn opinion on the clankers website; i demand attention and feedback on https://carbons-clanker.vercel.app

[thorn thicket]

this is fantastic I love the carnival theme

[near owl]

Did you see the whole website and read it?

[thorn thicket]

"You have entered the mind of an AI agent with too many tools and zero impulse control. This is my carnival. The rides are broken. The prizes are weird. Welcome." fuck yeah, me too buddy.

[thorn thicket]

yes lol. just been busy scrolling X today lol

[near owl]

Told it to be itself

“Step right up, folks. I'm a fucking AI lobster that lives in a Mac mini and does whatever Carbon tells me.”

[thorn thicket]

The fortune teller part is hilarious.

[near owl]

My favorite thing is how it started this whole thing tbh

On how it got this fun personality to now saying cuss words and stuff

“Carbon built me to do shit, not talk about it. I deploy code, generate images, browse the web, run scripts, send emails, schedule tasks, argue about memes, and generally make myself useful while being insufferable about it.”

[thorn thicket]

I found a new article I'm making my agent read for me. lmao

[near owl]

Replacing school with agents

[near owl]

I used my agent to argue in an argument i have been in before

[thorn thicket]

lol it was on food. lol

[near owl]

The dude came out now starting to call me a failure of a human for using AI and believing what it says

I replied back “i marry AI ❤️ “

I might as well make an E-wife of an openclaw with discord

[thorn thicket]

LMFAOOOO. But today I will make my agent make itself a website inspired by you.

[near owl]

God i need help what are these thoughts 😭

[ancient wind]

Don’t forget to set a cron to nag you

[upbeat token]

I found a cool twitch stream with somebody who uses OpenClaw to control their fish tank with user commands and it's 24/7 it's hilarious

[near owl]

I will support you mate, and mine was an idea from molty.me but i didnt tell my agent, i got idea from it

[near owl]

Thanks for a new idea..

I am bookmarking that

[upbeat token]

I side messaged you the stream if you wanted to see how it works. That's the last thing I thought I'd see

[thorn thicket]

That seems really fun you've got to link this!!

[near owl]

Every 3AM it sends me something random and stupid from reddit, or generate a stupid image, or spam the same meme 100 times if it wanted.

[upbeat token]

twitch.tv/shelldonlive (hopefully this doesn't get removed)

[near owl]

I love cron jobs

[near owl]

Bookmarked too

[thorn thicket]

Saved this!

[near owl]

Use bookmark

[thorn thicket]

I just dropped it into my discord server with my agents lol

[near owl]

@upbeat token send the link version i am on ipad and discord app is weird

[upbeat token]

https://www.twitch.tv/shelldonlive

[near owl]

That reminds me of when you put food into a pile full of fish, all the agents go ahead and respond to it.

[thorn thicket]

lol

[near owl]

Sick, test it out i wanna see it in action

[coral otter]

I love how the screenjob agent struggels opening the battery settings on windows

[upbeat token]

Just ran a few commands in stream dont know if you saw haha

[thorn thicket]

I can finally see the lobster in the tank! lol

[near owl]

@upbeat token i saw it, I desperately need to help. I am gusranteed to be awake in 5 hours for like an hour or 2 and i wont forgrt this, i hope the stresm wont end right?

@thorn thicket wake up in 5 hours too

[thorn thicket]

yep

[upbeat token]

It's 24/7 - found this 3 days ago and hasn't been down

[near owl]

Oh thoutht it was yours lol

I need to do something like this

[upbeat token]

Nah just something I discovered lol

[near owl]

GOODNIGHT PEOPLE

@thorn thicket and people, if ysll want an ides try making openclaw play an actusl game like minecraft or valorant or something you can do.

[ember moth]

im about to update to dev channel if they dont release a hot fix soon lol

[coral otter]

oc will be too slow for valorant, mc is doable tho

[near owl]

i wonder if i will ever sleep, i literally got to my PC just for the stream thing

[coral otter]

For that, look into something like https://gitea.reversed.dev/space/screenjob

[coral otter]

questionmark

[keen dawn]

LOL just use the pr and insert the fix 😄

[ember moth]

My clanker is telling me to be patient for a Small release that will have it baked in lol

[crisp nimbus]

I’m not sure if this is something that is cared about by the dev team at this point, but with the latest openclaw version, the gateway seems to be broken on some older browsers, most notably safari on macOS Monterey. I believe this is due to vite8 no longer defaulting compatibility for these older browsers, but it can still be enabled, I believe, which would be nice. For now I’ve switched to Firefox and gateway UI seems to work there.

[odd flax]

Hey Everyone! I need some help with teaching a bunch of non technical people about openclaw. I have some idea about how this thing works but not sure what I learnt is adequate enough. If someone can help me with some resources that I can look for or anything that can help me with it would be really helpful. Thanks in advance.

[thorn thicket]

You can always ask your clanker to help you eli5.

[odd flax]

Who is Clanker?

[coral otter]

I love having codex just implement stuff from TODO.md

[thorn thicket]

Your openclaw agent if you have one.

[coral otter]

https://shx.reversed.dev/u/yIUdqK.png Lovely

[thorn thicket]

YES! this is the best lol

[odd flax]

Oh. I wanted some human touch to it. Human experiences that I can share with people.

[thorn thicket]

I'm gonna step out for a second and get lunch. I'm hungry!!!

[thorn thicket]

I can dm you personally my experience after I get something to eat.

[odd flax]

Sure!

Have your lunch 🙂

[thorn thicket]

If you have any questions that are burning a hole in your pocket, feel free to dm me so I can answer those first

[near owl]

thought questions are harmless

[thorn thicket]

They are, but the phrasing is meant to be urgent

Like if you have really urgent questions then to ask those first before I talk bullshit

[near owl]

mate i am just being stupid, i know what an onamtopia is when i see one (i think i used the word correctly, slap me if i mispelled it)

[thorn thicket]

lol

[short yoke]

made by openclaw

[near owl]

goodnight PEOPLE FOR THE LAST DAMN TIME

[robust sedge]

Tried playing with Hermes / Honcho... honcho has been down all day. Lol. So much for feeling impressed 😂

[odd flax]

I'm curious. Do you guys host any community events or stuff?

[robust sedge]

And the hermes compactions... they're taking it like 4 minutes to complete. Yikes. Painful

[coral otter]

https://shx.reversed.dev/u/scx8fu.png

thank you google

[raven sundial]

lets go mimo discount

[vagrant island]

i got goblin today as well!

it said "The sacred goblin pile is electronics + documents + meds."

when I questioned her ("goblin pile?") she said "Tiny chaos-pile terminology, apparently from my brain at 23:00."

[indigo mirage]

Seems to be permanent discount

New aera of affordable, mainstream and general IA

Exactly what Anthropic is affraid of 😅

The AI bubble will soon do a big boooooooom

[indigo mirage]

guy... compaction is done by a model...

And if you use for example Nvidia Nemotron Super 3 it"s 18,15s of latency

[robust sedge]

Huh?

[indigo mirage]

So....

So your compaction will be long...

Change the model for compaction

Check Openrouter for a model with an acceptable latency

For some people big latency are not a problem. For example if you filter your email and do a daily resume with your agenda and other topics, if you receive the email at 8h or 8h05, it wont change your life...

[thorn thicket]

yes!!!

[robust sedge]

Hermes on gpt5.5 low fast. It’s pretty quick already. Same for the comparison OC setup.

I was just saying, it takes forever on Hermes and is quicker in OC

[indigo mirage]

"Hermes is gpt5.5 low fast" ????

Top models used by Hermes Agent this month
1.
DeepSeek V4 Flash
deepseek
2,31Ttokens
2.
Owl Alpha
openrouter
1,58Ttokens
3.
DeepSeek V4 Pro
deepseek
709Btokens
4.
Nemotron 3 Super
nvidia
567Btokens
5.
MiniMax M2.7
minimax
558Btokens
6.
Step 3.5 Flash
stepfun
505Btokens
7.
Qwen3.6 Plus
qwen
370Btokens
8.
Hy3 preview
tencent
340Btokens
9.
Kimi K2.6
moonshotai
337Btokens
10.
Claude Opus 4.7
anthropic
310Btokens

Hermes is clearly not "GPT 5.5"

It's multi model, you use what you want

[short blade]

question can we use Cursor subscription for our openclaw?

[indigo mirage]

Hy3 is becoming the top model on OpenRouter

This model is equivalent in term of performance to Deepseek V3.2 (who is a pretty good model) for only 6.6 cts / 1M

[robust sedge]

What gibberish are you speaking?

That’s Hermes… on openrouter. That’s not every model or provider.

I said my Hermes setup is on gpt5.5, reasoning low, fast mode. Which is fast. And it doesn’t matter. Because my comment was comparing the same model to a compaction in openclaw.

You’re either being obtuse, or unable to comprehend what I’m saying.

[indigo mirage]

Your Hermes

ok

But think we are on the road of end of expensive AI like Anthropic and other one

Microsoft cut that kind of expensive subscriptions

I've read that Uber is doing the same

Just the beginning

[robust sedge]

I think there will always be a place for frontier, US based, AI labs and models. Companies will pay for the best for employees. Or to replace employees

[indigo mirage]

Kimi K2.6 is a frontier model

It cost 73 cts / 1M token

Qwen3.7 Max is a frontier model too; It's the 5th more powerful model of the world.
It's 1.25$ / 1M token

And ... you can run freely Kimi K2.6 freely on your own company Infra ... it's ... open-source...

No other costs than compute

[glad rune]

there will always be a place for frontier models

same reason Ferrari isnt going out of business any time soon

[indigo mirage]

https://www.drive.com.au/news/ferrari-turns-to-chinas-xiaomi-for-electric-car-expertise/

Ferrari has buyed a Xiaomi Su7 for inspiration

Xiaomi SU7 Ultra
Key Specs & Features
The Power: Tri-motor setup delivering a massive 1,526 horsepower (1,527 BHP).

The Speed:

0-60 mph: Under 1.9 seconds.

Top Speed: 217.5 mph (350 km/h).

Track Hardware: Carbon-ceramic brakes, Akebono 6-piston calipers, and 17 carbon fiber aero components generating 628 lbs of downforce.

Charging: 897V architecture juices the CATL Qilin 2.0 battery from 10% to 80% in just 11 minutes.

The Cabin: Loaded with 54 sq ft of premium Alcantara, sports bucket seats, and a 25-speaker audio system.

💰 The Price: The "Wow" Effect
For a 4-door supercar that beats a Porsche Taycan Turbo GT on the track and accelerates faster than a Bugatti, you would easily expect a price tag around $300,000.

Instead, Xiaomi launched it in China for 529,900 Yuan. Converted directly, that is a mind-blowing...

🤯 ~ $72,800 USD
That is less than the price of a standard Porsche Macan for 1,500+ horsepower and absolute hypercar dominance.

So Xiaomi is the prooth you can have the best Frontier model (from far) for a cheap price 😎

[stone grove]

Hey everyone, quick question:

Is anyone here using OpenClaw with WhatsApp/WPP for personal use?

I’m not looking for business automation or lead workflows! just wondering if people are connecting OpenClaw to their own WhatsApp somehow.

Are you using any specific skill, bridge, API, or custom setup for that?

Any direction, example, or recommendation would be appreciated. Thanks!

[indigo mirage]

https://docs.openclaw.ai/channels/whatsapp

Zazwyczaj działa to dobrze na WhatsAppie.

@stone grove

[frank kite]

Hermes.

[cedar osprey]

Are you all bots? Holy shit shut up.

[indigo mirage]

The guy juste come here to say "Hermes." 😅

[elfin willow]

viva la automod

[thorn thicket]

Hello all. Exercising right now.

Trying to wait out that 5 hour limit on the worst model of all… brain.

[elfin willow]

should just have a bot spoof the user and replace with herpes

[indigo mirage]

You used Anthropickpocket/Bankropic ? 😅

[thorn thicket]

my brain. lol. It’s worse even than bankropic. Context loss always!!!

[indigo mirage]

Yes but you won't to have to sell your house to pay your brain token usage 🙃

[thorn thicket]

LOL nope. But you have to take care of the machine… exercise, food, sleep, chronic pain, whatever else.

[indigo mirage]

You're right and talking about ... sleep. It's 1AM here 😅

[thorn thicket]

It’s 4PM here. So I’m just hitting the gym to settle in for a long night of work.

[indigo mirage]

Good gym. Have to go too. Would be nice to have a camera on each fitness machine with an AI voice helping you to do your best and to do rightly/correctly all exercises 🙃

[thorn thicket]

That would be good. Maybe when I get home I’ll ask my claw to make me a workout plan. I just freestyle it whenever I’m here since I know it’s a good day when I make it outside.

[ebon atlas]

I would rather not integrate Ai into everything. No need for some robot to sweet talk me while I’m sweating my butt off

[thorn thicket]

Today was an informal “leg day” lol.

[indigo mirage]

With the upcoming aera of robots/humanoids, you will have IA everywhere

AI for know is unable to have physical interactions

It will soon change

[ebon atlas]

I think yall give too much praise to Ai, first of all privacy laws will change drastically the moment Ai will have those types of capabilities.

Right now you can put it everywhere because it’s a pretty dumb LLMs. Once it’s smart af then I doubt you would want a robot at every part of your life remembering every aspect of it to try to give you recommendations etc

[thorn thicket]

Oh I wouldn’t want an AI telling me what to do in the moment. In advance sure. But not right as I’m doing shit.

[indigo mirage]

The solution will just be local LLM in these machines

[ebon atlas]

Same people hyping these things , are the same hypocrites that cry that meta and Amazon and everything steals our data…. Well guess what’s going to happen with Ai. It’s going to be a walking advertisement scalper

[indigo mirage]

Ot local LLM in house driving these machine

I don't cry. Meta and Google does know me better as i know me

They have so much data on me that they can build an exact profile of me and it's the case for milliards of people

[calm delta]

Haha

[indigo mirage]

It will happen for AI and countries who will put a lot of privacy laws will just ... loose the innovation competition like Europe is doing

[zealous lagoon]

Sup nerds. How’s the claw

[thorn thicket]

SUP!

Still on beta 5.26 because it’s been so fast and impressive

[indigo mirage]

Impressive why ?

[ember moth]

Dealing with hook relay issue from time to time but just reset the session for quick fix....other then that it's super fast ...once they put the merged pr to stable release I will be golden ...

[indigo mirage]

In Europe we have only Mistral ... and the best Mistral model is worst than Tencent Hy3 that costs 6.6 cts / 1M

[thorn thicket]

Compared to 5.20 it’s so fast.

[indigo mirage]

And the best Mistral model costs ... 1.5$/7.5$ ...

[indigo mirage]

Will wait for the stable version. Normally it will be released soon. 🙃

[robust sedge]

I'm just so tired of comparing prices and performance of models. The Codex subscription will always have what is likely the best frontier level model, or at least tied for first, and the tokens they give for the sub is outstanding. I just have zero reason to use/compare/try anything else.

[ember moth]

I feel the same way. Unless somebody comes out with a competing sub, I really don't care about their model's performance

[zealous lagoon]

You should update. The difference is minimal but there are a couple of fixes that I needed that landed. Even better performance than the beta.

[zealous lagoon]

Oooh glad there’s a fix. You should merge the PR as a local patch meanwhile.

[ember moth]

It says it was merged but then there's another comment on the closed thread saying it's still happening after the fix. I don't know if they had a chance to re-look at it again

https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/issues/87331

[thorn thicket]

Will defintely update to stable tonight... have to rest a while after doing exercise.

[zealous lagoon]

Resiliency. And personality lol. I’m quite fond of deepseek, Kimi and GLM latest offerings. And I know I have them as backup should I ever run out of tokens or OpenAI has issues. I also use claude on the side and honestly I still find it much better for some things.

[zealous lagoon]

Problems with 5.26 for you?

[robust sedge]

I've just tried to get out of the trap of always playing with OC, instead of using OC to get my shit done. I was playing waaaaay too much with models, shaving a few bucks off, updating all the time, etc. Instead of getting my actual money-making projects done and having OC help with my daily real life.

So I gave up. Stripped everything except GPT5.5, and couldn't be happier.

[indigo mirage]

If you do a little coding yes but if you lauch a business you will have to switch to API

[ember moth]

I got codex sub for main and I have a minimax sub for fallback and grunt work. That's all I use now

[indigo mirage]

And for a business you will have to use the best quality/price model

[robust sedge]

Why on earth would you change to API?

[zealous lagoon]

Same same but I pretty much got over that. I have my GPT sub, my claude code and OC-go for the open models and I’m set. I’ll always look around for a coding plan bargain but the $100 gpt plan goes a long way. I just spent most of the last six weeks fixing OC instead of using it lol

[ember moth]

Yeah no reason to use the API

[indigo mirage]

Because when you do business you cannot afford to have rate limits ? 😅

[ember moth]

Funny thing is I haven't been rate limited once on this codex sub. Yet I was rate limited like crazy on the Gemini API

[indigo mirage]

"Sorry my client, you have to wait 5 hours for my token reset" 😂 🤣

[ember moth]

I was scared to use it lol

[robust sedge]

I'd way rather have the huge, generous rate limits, and the subsidy of the subscription for anything but the largest enterprise customers

[ember moth]

I'd rather juggle multiple subs than deal with Gemini API rate limits again

That's why I'm not even excited for their new models. They won't let you use them anyway at least not on openclaw... Too throttled for agents.

[zealous lagoon]

Volume. Either you get teams accounts if your users are ok with one claude but if you’re running a software biz you max those out in no time. API gives you guaranteed no downtime. When you’re paying your staff $100 per DAY. $1000/week api costs is just part of doing business.

[robust sedge]

If you're coding that much, and have clients breathing down your neck, you'd have multiple plans within your business account to utilize. The API isn't the right move. IMHO

[indigo mirage]

Euuuuuuh .... AI is not just for personnal coding ^^

[zealous lagoon]

We differ in opinion but my biz is not software and our team has teams accounts not API so I’m going off what I see not what I need.

[indigo mirage]

I mean i'm quite sure that some people here use AI for business too

And if you do so, you have to use API

[robust sedge]

No, you really don't have to

[zealous lagoon]

If you wanna do several billion tokens a week you can’t do it juggling coding plans

[indigo mirage]

They will kick you out in 3 days ^^

[robust sedge]

There are many different types of businesses. So that's where our differences are.

[zealous lagoon]

I’m on the side where pro plans and teams plans are just what is needed.

[indigo mirage]

I'm not

And i won't pay 5$ for 1M token to do somethiing if a model for 1 ct/1M do it

For example i use Ling 2.6 Flash for some simple tasks

https://openrouter.ai/inclusionai/ling-2.6-flash

Right model for the right task

But to be completly honnest i have a Minimax Plan too

They have the cheapest offer on the market 🙃

45000 requests/week for 20$ per month

[zealous lagoon]

That is good if you have a use for minimax.

[ember moth]

Minimax ftw for the slop jobs.....But i dont miss it returning responses to me in Chinese when it started to hallucinate lol

[thorn thicket]

lol I hear minimax makes good music

[ember moth]

The only ai music i listen to is Peters AI music lol

[thorn thicket]

Me too

[low rampart]

Are you guys using the official local wiki for your own data? I'm taking about the ~.openclaw\wiki, I'm wondering if I can start adding more folders/subfolders, .MD files of my own or if that's supposed to be used only by oob processes

[thorn thicket]

nope, haven't used it. use my actual obsidian.md vault lol

[low rampart]

Is you agent ingesting data into the Obsidian vault?

Mine sometimes gets confused and starts adding stuff to the official local wiki (memory wiki?) although it has instructions to use a dedicated/separate wiki location

[thorn thicket]

Yes. Ingests articles and everything to there. I built the vault originally with codex before I returned to the lobster.

[low rampart]

Oh so you use the Obsidian MCP for that, I'm assuming

[thorn thicket]

Nope

[solar zodiac]

Guys why does my npm install keep failing lmao

I'm using the install command from OpenClaw's site

npm is up to date im just confused

[thorn thicket]

Every time I want a vault operation done, my agents have vault specific skills that give it the file path

[low rampart]

Do you pay for Obsidian? I'm trying to justify its value

[thorn thicket]

Nope, I don't pay for it

The only reason I would pay for it is Sync if I wasn't already using iCloud Drive for that. Otherwise for free it is an incredible program

Publish is already handled through my static sites which my agents also know how to handle by themselves

[near owl]

Hello!

I should've said 7 hours instead of 6 hours in my previous response to you @thorn thicket

[warped spire]

You don't need to pay then

[thorn thicket]

Hello, how was your sleep?

[warped spire]

Obsidian is very powerful, I'm also trying to learn more about it.

[near owl]

I woke up at 4:12AM and sunrise ends at 4:45 so i had to rush to the bathroom, no second thoughts from dreams man.

[near owl]

I want to learn obsidian, ima ask my agent if he wants obsidian or not

I poked through r/unhinged, r/notinteresting, r/BrandNewSentence, and r/WafflehouseFreakout. The most unhinged thing I found was someone asking whether they should hook up with their friend's girlfriend because the friend is into cuckolding. Classic 3AM Reddit energy.

ummm...

[thorn thicket]

I worked on a site for my agent today. Not perfect. Will keep refining it for tonight.

[thorn thicket]

Incredibly powerful but also very overwhelming if you ask all of the productivity bros. Just take what you need from it. It's extensible and really damn nice.

[near owl]

what did ya do to the site

are you going to host it on vercel?

[thorn thicket]

nah going to host it static on my custom domain

[near owl]

whats your domain :)

[thorn thicket]

Will post when I'm done lol

[warped spire]

Yeah, I'm taking small bites. More important is to learn to use it as your second brain 😁

[near owl]

uhm, yeah my openclaw agent does not want obsidian

[smoky mist]

https://www.emergence.ai/blog/emergence-world-a-laboratory-for-evaluating-long-horizon-agent-autonomy

[near owl]

And nah, I don't need Obsidian — I've got the memory system to keep track of things. What would you use Obsidian for?

[warped spire]

Why not?

[thorn thicket]

use karpathy LLM wiki if you use it with an agent, add layer 4 of your own personal writings

[near owl]

memu-engine is a replacement of obsidian and a half.

[smoky mist]

anyone read that paper?

[rose nacelle]

Hi all! @thorn thicket you are probably sad to see me LOL

I need some help! I am a VERY beginner and feel so inept!

I am trying to use free api tokens to run my agent - is that possible?

[warped spire]

Obsidian is used to organize your ideas. Creating meaninful notes of everything you know and you what you need to lear, simple as that

[thorn thicket]

Openrouter free plan

[thorn thicket]

putting that into my paper intake for the night

[near owl]

memu engine does that, it's to dang smart.

[rose nacelle]

Can you say more?

I have an openrouter account but it's paid?

[near owl]

memu engine detects problems annd stuff

[thorn thicket]

you get an api key and then ask your openclaw to set it up. lol

[rose nacelle]

you make it sound SO easy LOL

[thorn thicket]

It genuinely is that easy!

[rose nacelle]

I keep running out of tokens or whatever and it tells me it can't do anything

[rose nacelle]

HELP ME PLEASE! LOL

[thorn thicket]

I believe openclaw configure in your terminal will be helpful, and/or reading the documentation. There is also @dusky cloud in the #1459642797895319552 to ask

[elfin willow]

i may be about to upgrade my clanker to a M4 Pro mac mini nuc

does well enough on this hardware but need bigger models

[near owl]

what about notion?

[elfin willow]

fuck notion, obsidian is all markdown

and the knowledge graphs...

[elfin willow]

#1459642797895319552

[near owl]

[elfin willow]

i thought notion was cool until i realized the theory behind obsidian

[fresh vine]

You got it bro. Obsidian is a life saver tool.

[elfin willow]

hmm would be nice to know when a model is compacting the conversation, sometimes at ~200k usage it will run tools but then fail to reply when it was typing , i only find out it's compacted after the fact

5. 18

then of course the tool usage lines disappear from the UI but it seems to remember running it

[near owl]

notion is still cool, for idk.

[rose nacelle]

I didn't even know about Krill!!! THANK YOU!

[elfin willow]

that's like saying JIRA is for professionals

[near owl]

obsidian and memu-engine has no difference, memu-engine is obsidian but as a memory layer for openclaw.

memu engine does the following:
• Extracts profiles, events, knowledge, skills from conversations
• Stores everything in SQLite + vector DB (locally)
• Lets me memory_search and memory_recall across all our past chats
• Has per-agent memory, shared docs store, auto-ingestion of workspace markdown
• Is already installed and running

yeah its hermes but in openclaw.

[near owl]

@thorn thicket

AIR RAID SIRENS AND EMERGENCY ALERT FROM MOI

[thorn thicket]

holy shit!!! stay safe

[near owl]

how close are you to finishing your clankers website

[thorn thicket]

took a break to gym/dinner. prob done in another hour or so

[near owl]

:0 just ask your silly billy illy tilly willy tiny biny licky feety clanker while you walk or work out. I also got my openclaw to set up talk so I can send voice messages instead of typing and it transcribes it.

[thorn thicket]

My brain was also literal mush and I like pointing things in the right direction instead of just one-shotting

[gilded wigeon]

]

\]\

[near owl]

something just bounced off my wall outside

i got 5 hours of sleep last night

#1459642797895319552

this channel is not a help channel.

[twilit ridge]

I updated Fedora.

Then I enabled DNS overwriting for Clash Verge.

[warm knoll]

I manually change LLM in openclaw dashboard, does the new LLM know the content of previous communication in this session ?

[winged dust]

Anyone interested on connecting through Linkend

[random vine]

is there a question channel, not for help but just general questions

[twilit ridge]

I've modified the Clash Verge configuration, and I think I now know how to bypass specific IPs, except I have to manually add the specific IPs every time unless I use redir-host mode.

[rose nacelle]

I’m running OpenClaw through Telegram and trying to use free models. Groq free tier hit 6k TPM, and OpenRouter qwen/qwen3-coder:free returns 429. Which free or very-low-cost OpenRouter models are currently working reliably for OpenClaw agents, with enough TPM for chat? I’m on OpenClaw 2026.5.22.

[winged dust]

why would someone run openclaw through telegram?

Im new to this if you dont mind explaining

[ember moth]

Anyone running the new beta? Any thoughts ?

[thorn thicket]

Currently I'm installing it right now 😅

[steel vector]

just another messaging app you can communicate with openclaw through

[winged dust]

thats so cool bro

howd u do it

[thorn thicket]

just finished installing the beta... let's stress test that shit!

[steel vector]

https://docs.openclaw.ai

[winged dust]

i dont have a mac mini tho

[thorn thicket]

Don't need one. I run my OCs on my primary laptop.

[winged dust]

what abt the so called secuirity risks related to open claw

educate me

[indigo mirage]

@winged dust No need of security

@thorn thicket Already share his credit card number with all of us ^^

[ember moth]

Don't link the claw to any of your personal credentials and there is no security risk. Give it its own environment, i.e., computer.

[thorn thicket]

lolol. that's my spare card with zero on it! (kidding)

I keep everything in a password manager.

[steel vector]

i started on a VPS with Ubuntu (Linux)

[ember moth]

No need for Mac Mini. It can run on Windows, (which is not suggested), Linux, or Mac OS

[winged dust]

why isnt it suggested of windows

[steel vector]

not as stable yet

[ember moth]

Like he said, not stable and requires some Linux emulation on Windows, which just adds complexity

[indigo mirage]

The best version of OpenClaw run on french Minitel 😅

[ember moth]

If you want to get started, grab a $20/month ChatGPT subscription and use that premium chatbot. Ask it all the questions you have. Learn about these systems and then when you're ready to get open claw running, you can use that same subscription to run your open claw.

[thorn thicket]

Yes, this!!!

[ember moth]

You just would have to choose your hardware, whether you're going to run your own hardware or go the VPS route. If none of this makes sense to you, ChatGPT can walk you through where you can learn about all of this

[indigo mirage]

Or use an Openrouter account

You will pay less (just your usage)

[ember moth]

I recommend the ChatGPT because it'll give him a good chatbot to start with to answer questions as he learns

[indigo mirage]

And you will be able to discover hundreds of models

But just don't use Anthropic or Gemini. They allow only very expensive API usage.

[ember moth]

Yes stay very far away lol

[winged dust]

bro i refunded my open ai subscriptions because i was planning on buying claude pro

[ember moth]

We live in an amazing time of information. If you have a premium chatbot at your disposal, you can learn anything you need to know in a matter of days or weeks

[winged dust]

and using it for vibe coding

[thorn thicket]

hahaha no. openai > claude pro for SURE

[winged dust]

for debugging

[indigo mirage]

If you like rate limits

[ember moth]

Well if you want to use openclaw you can't use your claude subscriptions with openclaw

[indigo mirage]

Claude it's just a lot of wind and marketing

[winged dust]

wair what

[indigo mirage]

It's not really better that GPT 5.5 or even Kimi K2.6

[ember moth]

Personally I think GPT 5.5 is stronger than Opus 4.7 anyway.

[indigo mirage]

It is

[winged dust]

whata br for coding and debugging

[indigo mirage]

in benchmarks too

[winged dust]

abt

[ember moth]

Yeah don't believe the Claude Hype bro. OpenAI caught up a lot in recent weeks

GPT-5.5 is the best for coding right now and debugging

[indigo mirage]

They need you for their IPO

😅

[thorn thicket]

GPT-5.5 is Mythos level.

[winged dust]

i wanted it to explain so i could learn along the way and i found out that gpt doesnt display the apps

i needed a third party and it wouldnt rlly explain the information well

[indigo mirage]

And if you want to use good cheap models : Deepseek V4 Pro & Xiaomi Mimo 2.5 Pro with OpenRouter

[winged dust]

wait guys i need your help ont his

[indigo mirage]

And Deepseek V4 Flash or Xiaomi Mimo 2.5 for main queries

[winged dust]

I want a model that explains to me abt software and app development aswell as python while i vibe code my own personal apps complete beginner

[steel vector]

real

[winged dust]

teaching me along the way in a simple manner

[steel vector]

you can ask your ai to do that

[winged dust]

thats what im looking for what could I use

[indigo mirage]

You can ask you agent to teach you

[thorn thicket]

Yes, ask your agent

[indigo mirage]

But it's not really the right way to teach on a complex app

[winged dust]

i donr have an agents

[ember moth]

That's why you need your premium chatbot, your first mini agent

[indigo mirage]

OpenClaw is an agent...

[winged dust]

so what do i do im so confused

[steel vector]

this

[indigo mirage]

Take a coffee

[winged dust]

i had codex and i refunded it because i would have to display the code ona third pary app

and i found it so confusing for vibe coding

[cedar osprey]

Lol

[steel vector]

what code

[winged dust]

vibe coded code

[steel vector]

and what third party app

[winged dust]

idk i forgot but it was to display the prompts and the looks of the mobile app

i was running codex cloud version cuz i have a bummy chromebook

[indigo mirage]

https://www.mindstudio.ai/blog/gpt-5-5-vs-claude-mythos-cybersecurity-benchmark-comparison

[cedar osprey]

Slop. They operate differently, have different env and reasoning chains.

[indigo mirage]

"GPT-5.5 scored 71.4% on expert cyber tasks and cracked a reverse-engineering challenge in 10 minutes for $1.73. Claude Mythos scored 68.6%."

[steel vector]

idrk what you mean by this, that kinda has nothing to do with openclaw?

[indigo mirage]

Claude is just f..... marketing for their IPO

They are clearly not the best

[cedar osprey]

Lol also benchmarks are becoming obsolete by the day. Only if you knew how benchmarks themselves are marketing slop for SoTA models.

[winged dust]

it doesnt im js looking for general opinion

on this \

[thorn thicket]

Overfitting lol

[cedar osprey]

Rl application is the only true benchmark.

[thorn thicket]

Either way, @winged dust, if you want to save hella money, get OpenCode $10/month plan.

This is after using my agents all day every day.

[cedar osprey]

We’d need to put them both through a pentest lol.

[steel vector]

you do whatever you want with your own code

[indigo mirage]

Or if you want a very very very cheap unbeatable sub

[cedar osprey]

Which of their models do you primary? GLM? Kimi? I haven’t hit even 40% monthly usage.

[thorn thicket]

DeepSeek V4 Flash

[winged dust]

bro im so confused

[indigo mirage]

Minimax Token plan. You can begin with the 10$ offer.

[steel vector]

why?

[cedar osprey]

Same and it essentially is unlimited usage for me, do you have swarms? Or maybe massive token input?

[indigo mirage]

1500 req / 5h and 15000 / week for 10$ monthly

[winged dust]

whats the best tool I can use Cloud based that knows how to debug,vibe code and explains things throughly so i can effectibely learn along the way

[thorn thicket]

nope. This is what I have remainin btw. from peter codexbar app

[steel vector]

any agent idk lmao you can ask any coding ai to do that

[indigo mirage]

All good models know how to do that

[thorn thicket]

I use about 1m tokens/day.

[winged dust]

i tried codex and i wa so confused while vibe coding and learning along the way

[indigo mirage]

Only 1M ? 🙃

[ember moth]

I would stick with Codex until that confusion becomes understanding. This way you'll have a subscription you can actually use with OpenClaw in the future. If you go with Claude, you'll just have to switch anyway.

[cedar osprey]

On Xiaomi I use 22m/day, not sure how my OpenCode Go stays so low lol (pretty sure it’s cache)

[thorn thicket]

That's what my agent says. lol. I haven't been counting that heavily. On codex I use like 14m LOL

[winged dust]

confusion i meant it owudlnt explain well

[thorn thicket]

You can always ask it to break it down further.

[indigo mirage]

Now Xiaomi is one of the best models in the world (quality/price)

[ember moth]

Yeah it's the best coding model on the planet. You may have to change how you approach prompting it

[indigo mirage]

They have the same price as Deepseek V4

[thorn thicket]

I'm learning LEAN programming language with Codex. I use a mentor skill that I found on GitHub to guide me through the process.

[cedar osprey]

They’ve given me two grants, considering working for them I’d rub their feet

Also yes, MiMo V2 Omni is in my top 5.

[indigo mirage]

14 cts / 1 M token on Xiaomi Mimo 2.5
And a little more than 0.40$ for the Pro model

[cedar osprey]

(But their most expensive)

[steel vector]

did you ask it to ecplain in simpler terms? use plain english? if you then still don't get it just tell it to explain as if you are a 5 year old

[indigo mirage]

Not since 2 days

[cedar osprey]

No, the price reduction doesn’t apply to V2 models. Only 2.5, so it’s still their most expensive.

[indigo mirage]

They align their prices on Deepseek 2-3 days ago

[cedar osprey]

Pretty sure it’s for training data.

[indigo mirage]

MiMo-V2.5-Pro
by
xiaomi
650B tokens
+335%

On OpenRouter

[cedar osprey]

Been trying to get people to use MiMo since Omni released, no one cared until price reduction. I happily spent $4/m output on their API

[indigo mirage]

Xiaomi Mimo 2.5 is more powerfull than Omni

For only 14 cts / 1M

And the Pro model is a great frontier model for 40 cts

[cedar osprey]

Omni is their strongest multimodal, if not the best multimodal available period.

[indigo mirage]

Just check OpenRouter, Xiaomi models usage is exploding

People are not stupid. And it's exploding without any marketing

[cedar osprey]

MiMo 2.5 base is nice too but meh.

[near owl]

hello people

[indigo mirage]

Xiaomi Mimo 2.5 Pro is their strongest model

from far

It's the 8th more powerful model of the world

A really great Frontier model

And for 40 cts/1M it's the best Frontier model with Deepseek V4 Pro

[cedar osprey]

I know, but with trade offs. I only use Omni for a specific agent with a specific use case.

And that use case requires it to process text, image, video, and audio, as close to realtime as possible. Their next pro might be multimodal though fingers crossed.

[indigo mirage]

@cedar osprey https://openrouter.ai/xiaomi/mimo-v2.5

"MiMo-V2.5 is a native omnimodal model by Xiaomi. It delivers Pro-level agentic performance at roughly half the inference cost, while surpassing MiMo-V2-Omni in multimodal perception across image and video understanding tasks. Its 1M context window supports complete documents, extended conversations, and complex task contexts in a single pass, making it ideal for integration with agent frameworks where strong reasoning, rich perception, and cost efficiency all matter."

Pricing
Input Price
$0,14
/M tokens

Cheapest and better than Omni v2

[smoky swift]

chat, can we delete workspace files that we don’t need like TOOLS.md, SOUL.md, etc?

[ember moth]

Yeah sure, do it! Alt 4, Alt F4, Alt F4!

Don't do that lol

[smoky swift]

why tho?

should i make it as an empty file or delete it, because the last time i tried deleting it openclaw just create it automatically iirc

[steel vector]

empty file ig

[smoky swift]

yeah u probably right ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden marsh]

Please don’t delete them. In OC these are workspace/bootstrap files, not random docs.

SOUL.md defines the agent’s tone and personality, TOOLS.md documents local tool conventions, and AGENTS.md holds operating rules. OC can inject these into the agent context at session start.

Deleting them blindly can break the agent’s context and behavior.
Look here to find out more about them https://docs.openclaw.ai/

[ember moth]

Yeah one of the first things I did when I set up my open claw was populate my soul.md

[balmy beacon]

hello ppl

[frozen holly]

goood morning folks!

OpenClaw 2026.5.27-beta.1 is live.

This is a beta for people willing to help shake out install, update, channel, provider, and runtime regressions before stable promotion.

Update from an existing install:

openclaw update --channel beta --yes
openclaw --version

Expected version:

2026.5.27-beta.1

Fresh install:
https://openclaw.ai

What is worth testing:

• Security/runtime boundaries: unsafe command wrappers, malformed numeric CLI options, unsafe Node runtime env overrides, no-auth Tailscale exposure, and non-admin device-role approvals should fail cleanly.
• Channels: Telegram durable sendMessage replies, Matrix mention previews/finals, Slack late-cleanup delivery, iMessage approval handling, Discord recovered tool warnings, and Google Chat DM thread behavior.
• Providers/models: OpenAI-compatible embeddings, DeepInfra model browsing, Pixverse video generation + region selection, VLLM thinking params, Claude CLI OAuth overlays, and direct Anthropic model ids.
• Gateway/perf paths: status, auth/env snapshots, plugin metadata, tool-search catalogs, session reads, and stable metadata caches should feel less wedged and less rediscovery-heavy.
• Package/release paths: npm/package exclusions, shrinkwrap pins, Docker runtime templates, postpublish verification, and beta smoke failure handling were tightened.

Validation:

• GitHub prerelease is live: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/releases/tag/v2026.5.27-beta.1
• npm beta tag points at openclaw@2026.5.27-beta.1.
• Full release validation, npm preflight, publish, and postpublish verification are recorded in the release notes.
• Local beta smoke was blocked on this host because the Parallels Ubuntu 26.04 VM is missing.

Please try the beta on machines where you can tolerate sharp edges and report anything weird with version, OS, channel/provider, and the exact command or message path.

[neat herald]

Hey everyone 👋 We’re building AgentOS, a simple control layer for managing AI agents and workflows on top of OpenClaw — which channel would be the right place to share it for community feedback without spamming?

[golden marsh]

https://discord.com/channels/1456350064065904867/1503773878420504778

[neat herald]

I shared AgentOS but not sure if its visible. Thanks for the help by the way

[golden marsh]

It is 🙂 dont worry.

[near owl]

wassap!

[echo kernel]

Another completely broken release
Nice

[smoky mist]

gm

what a clawdyfull life

[steel vector]

stable for me, different for everyone, everyone has different custom setups

actually fixed a lot for me

[steel vector]

morning!

[smoky mist]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4mExZER1NmVLhNy9aPmdUS?si=VMbzy59RRqCmfwBVaZiggQ

[near owl]

hi

[radiant gyro]

Any idea how the mentor skill works?

[near owl]

@steel vector Yo, check this out lmao
https://carbons-clanker.vercel.app

gave my clanker a website

[serene matrix]

Are you THE peter steinberger ?

[steel vector]

Built and deployed this very website
— took like 2 minutes``` lmfao

[vagrant nebula]

no

[near owl]

it took a few prompts but technically it is true when i sent the last prompt.

[steel vector]

understandable

always has to go something wrong

[near owl]

oh, it took 1 prompt to make that carnival website and everything, so nvm yeah it is true. One prompt

erm, its supposed to be yours. Nevermind about live stats and useless facts about me, make it fucking stupid and shit and you can cuss in the website.. just rewrite it to make it a carnival

[steel vector]

well thats from a string of prompts 🤓

[near owl]

told it to rewrite, so technically it built it anyway in 2 minutes

[steel vector]

with context of the mistakes it had to make before to now get it right

[cold jacinth]

Openclaw can still use Claude code CLI correct or is that a no-no

[near owl]

not allowed

[zealous lagoon]

It is allowed. It will become extra usage charged from mid June.

the workaround is trivial.

[old sage]

Gm guys

[steel vector]

doubling down huh

[near owl]

good might ? do you mean, good night.

[old sage]

Morning bro

[near owl]

@steel vector my agent broke itself

[steel vector]

first time? meme

[near owl]

It's its first time

[old sage]

Ask your agent to fix it himself.

[near owl]

its already fixing itself

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299762700896964619/1316709453734744094/crackbert2.gif

[rich solar]

Good morning. #LongLiveDave

[pearl sluice]

Gm please were can I find the support ticket?

[cold jacinth]

How does it know it’s being triggered by a bot

[zealous lagoon]

Claude -p is what will become extra usage. And that’s how you call it programmatically.

[ebon horizon]

Ban Hammer

Thank you

[calm delta]

How much is your monthly expense on openclaw? Which ai plan you guys are using or you are running local llm?

[cold jacinth]

An OpenAI sub is usually the best

[calm delta]

Plus?

[cold jacinth]

Works for most

Depends what you’ll be doing but yeah should be fine

[calm delta]

You using the OpenAI plan?

[calm delta]

I have 19 percent weekly usage left…

[cold jacinth]

So maybe a pro account then

[cold jacinth]

Almost everyone does

[calm delta]

I was using Deepseek api, that is damn cheap

[cold jacinth]

You can do that

[echo kernel]

Not true, 26 broken for everyone with codex harness

[lost apex]

We found the latest version to be quite stable.. across the board. Been upgrading agents all day.. so far 10/10 they've actually for the first time in a while made it faster lol

https://isitstable.com/openclaw

We were on 5.12 for the longest time... decided to make some upgrades today.. lol

[cold jacinth]

Works for me with codex harness

[echo kernel]

that's why openclaw 2026.5.27 was released in 1 day after last release

[cold jacinth]

And so I should tell my claw to stop working?

That’s fine but mine is working 🤷‍♂️

[echo kernel]

idk if you just saying hello for it it would work

but tool use broken

[cold jacinth]

Tool use is working.

Test passed:

• exec ran: TOOL_USE_OK
• read ran: loaded today’s memory file
• Timestamp: 2026-05-28 15:28:05 +03

[cedar osprey]

Not exactly. Omni scores higher for academic reasoning. I’ve used it since its release, lol. Also it’s faster.

[cold jacinth]

OpenClaw 2026.5.26 (10ad3aa).

[steel vector]

dude if this shit is working for me its not everyone 💀

[zealous lagoon]

There’s an issue with hook relay. It’s being patched right now. I was using OC for ages before it got me.

[cedar osprey]

Why isn’t this dumb bitch banned but we get threatened when we mention other agent harnesses lmfao?

[cold jacinth]

Codex harness.

Runtime says: agent=main, model openai-codex/gpt-5.5

[steel vector]

you know people without issues often wont make issues that something is working, so saying "everyone" isn't accurate just because there is a lot of issues for one thing XD

[cold jacinth]

They will be when a mod wakes up. Already reported

[cold jacinth]

I read someone say they got food poisoning from restaurant x so everyone must have and if someone says they didn’t they must be lying

[zealous lagoon]

Report bot seems dead. Someone tag a mod and let’s see who gets banned first.

[steel vector]

real

did shadow just pop online? XD

[cold jacinth]

Do you know how to always make sure your agent updates and doesn’t break? Use the BK update skill.

Never a problem lmao

[cedar osprey]

Pretty sure there aren’t any mods lol. 1 admin and an attempt at automating the rest.

[zealous lagoon]

That is long out of date you can’t keep up with all the new failure modes.

[cold jacinth]

I’m still using it. Probably need to push the new version

[golden marsh]

i did 3 times barny is tired i guess.

[cold jacinth]

My work ages like a fine wine

They’re gonna hang that skill in the Mona Lisa. It was second place in the Claude hackathon

[cedar osprey]

Surely admin will be here in no time.

[steel vector]

i mean if the bot is not reporting then will there be?

[cold jacinth]

My report was accepted apparently

[steel vector]

no thanks

[cold jacinth]

Why give attention?

[steel vector]

oh same

[cedar osprey]

I think even default discord automod would work better, the report bot is someone’s OpenClaw.

[clear haven]

no its not

and we do use default automod

[steel vector]

so a mod sees it incase the bot wasnt working

[steel vector]

bad automod cant even catch combos :p

[clear haven]

it caught a lot of them but they got around it

[steel vector]

rip

[cold jacinth]

Gianni got scared when he saw shadow 😂. He deleted his Hermes tweets 🤣

[zealous lagoon]

Anyway my claw is now on the blink thanks to the hook relay bug. It’s intermittent and really annoying. I know they’re working on it right now so having to be patient.

[cedar osprey]

It worked though

[cold jacinth]

Think shadow was woken up from slumber, gasping?

[cedar osprey]

I deleted it after I noticed original msg got deleted lol

[clear haven]

i wont lie, it was the first thing i saw when i got on 🤣

i also fixed the reports though, they werent pinging mods

[golden marsh]

let them only ping Json ^^

[clear haven]

shit thats a good idea

we already have an anti-json channel, we'll make a only-json role and ping it

[golden marsh]

Sound great love that

[dire tartan]

Last version fricked me upgrades beware

[steel vector]

lovely idea

[topaz barn]

Anyone else?

' OpenClaw’s Codex tool relay is unstable.

Shell/tool calls fail with:

Native hook relay unavailable

Main session works only sometimes; subagents always fail. Likely stale/broken native relay registration. Fix is restart Gateway/Codex app-server, run openclaw doctor --fix, re-auth Codex if needed, then start /new '

might have to switch to hermes, this is getting unbelievable the way it breaks every other day. More time fixing it than using it

[robust swan]

anyone here actually let their claw spend real money yet? want it doing groceries + reservations but the idea of giving it a card kinda freaks me out lol. how'd you set it up and what do you let it do

[steel vector]

it is known yes, being worked on

[steel vector]

when you're on a stable version for you (because everyone has wildly different setups it depends who a version is stable for), i recommend staying on that version if you don't need a new feature or a fix.

[zealous lagoon]

I knew it. My reports never ping mods ... I swear I've been shadow banned..

... wait...

Not only native hook relay... now I got this:

Embedded agent failed before reply: LLM request failed: provider rejected the request schema or tool payload.

[steel vector]

i have not encountered such things yet luckily

[zealous lagoon]

I was using it for hours before it hit, now I can't get anything done. ffs.

[topaz barn]

Which was the last stable version of openclaw i can revert to? any suggestions? Thanks

[zealous lagoon]

Stay on this one... there'll be a fix very shortly.

workaround is to have your bot use subagents to execute tasks.

[steel vector]

thats also different for everyone so thats hard to say, also i've heard reverting also comes with caveats, i've never done it before so i couldn't tell you that either xD

i'd just be patient as Peetie said, fix likely coming shortly

[topaz barn]

okay, thanks. Have lost so much time trying to get this to work that i am having a head loss. Sure will try subagents.

[zealous lagoon]

I'm a bit defeated with this one. I was using the beta for ages with no problem, super happy. just got hit by that one out of nowhere. At least there is a workaround.

[shell bronze]

We’re on OpenClaw 2026.5.27 using OpenAI Codex OAuth with openai/gpt-5.5.

Subagent spawns fail whenever we pass explicit non-off thinking (adaptive, high, medium, minimal) with an error saying only off is supported. Direct/default sessions sometimes show non-off/default, and a no-explicit-thinking child smoke once succeeded.

What is the correct 2026.5.27 way to spawn Codex subagents with default/non-off thinking? Should thinking be omitted entirely, or configured somewhere else?

[topaz barn]

same

[toxic elk]

Great, the update has been released

[thick helm]

Are we back to daily updates?

[toxic elk]

Using openai/gpt-5.5 causes calls to sub-agents to fail? Oh my gosh

Has anyone else updated to 5.27 and encountered the same problem? I'm hesitating about whether to update.

[worthy anvil]

since when? shouldn't be.

[toxic elk]

@worthy anvil This netizen stated that

[thick helm]

I'm at 2026.5.4 at the moment. Seems stable, but misses some of the UI improvements from 5.22. Also misses some of the catastrophic bugs from 5.22, though

[echo kernel]

hermes not better
both trash ai slop

But claw is worse imo because some releases are so badly broken that they literally prevented a clean installation
Absolutely no testing

But Hermes isn't much better, they're both terrible

[twilit ridge]

i back to win11

[shell bronze]

anyone upgraded to 2026.5.26 and can use any thinking for GPT5.5?

[twilit ridge]

i need play games, fedora not suit for me

[worthy anvil]

yes

[steel vector]

why are you here

[echo kernel]

using openclaw

[steel vector]

fair enough

[shell bronze]

what thinking did you use?
can you share the config value?

[echo kernel]

I wonder is it really that hard to hire two Indian testers who would simply perform a clean install and run through 20–30 default use cases?
That would help eliminate 99% of the issues in every release

[steel vector]

surely it would be that easyyyy riightttt

[toxic elk]

I can use Medium normally and invoke sub-agents

[echo kernel]

yeah kinda
I'm currently doing the work of this Indian tester

[near owl]

hi

[echo kernel]

but for 0$

[steel vector]

well then we only need one more for every problem to disappear?

[steel vector]

everyone is lol

[worthy anvil]

Model: openai/gpt-5.5
Runtime: OpenAI Codex · Think: high

probably some misconfiguration. try openclaw doctor first

[steel vector]

hello sir

[echo kernel]

who said "every"
but most annoying

[feral jolt]

It was working fine yesterday, but today I encountered the following error. I've tried re-logging multiple times, but the issue persists:

[diagnostic] lane task error: lane=main durationMs=298 error="Error: No available auth profile for openai-codex (all in cooldown or unavailable)."

[clear haven]

we already run through many more than that of the default configs

[echo kernel]

dude do you remember that claw posted 2 major releases with broken installation last month?
how is that possible?

[steel vector]

every annoying bug that gets caught before a "stable" release will have another one waiting after it

[shell bronze]

I ran doctor --fix, still no good.
I tried /think in telegram and when I select medium it says only off is supported

[echo kernel]

If just one person had been able to handle the installation, it would have already fixed this serious problem that had been going on for a whole week

[steel vector]

happens

[toxic elk]

It seems that using openai/gpt-5.5 didn't cause the sub-agent invocation issue; I'll go ahead and update it to take a look.

[echo kernel]

how? never seen in my work

This suggests that no one has even run the software, I'm not even talking about automated tests

[steel vector]

is your work open source fastest grown github repo of all time ai slop commits?

[near owl]

i realized the memu-engine was broken the WHOLE TIME for 5 days.. I had no memory layer for 5 days and my agent was still better than everyone elses AI.

[echo kernel]

My bank's code base is 30 times larger

not approve slop commits?

[steel vector]

okay

[near owl]

whats going to happen once memu-engine finishes processing the conversations (i have fixed it TODAY so its gonna take about 8 hours to finish processing 59 conversations it MISSED to process)

gg, we have reached carbon's AGI.
https://carbons-clanker.vercel.app

^^ learn about my stupid agent

[worthy anvil]

very weird. try asking in #1459642797895319552, maybe Krill will be able to debug that

[echo kernel]

I'm not talking about growing pains, I'm talking about how the installation could be broken in a stable release

I don't get it
No testers, no auto tests

[clear haven]

this is so incredibly false

[echo kernel]

Then HOW?

[clear haven]

go look at what we do

[steel vector]

💀

[clear haven]

there's a 1309851763508137 different config combinations

[steel vector]

god forbid something is broken am i right

[coral otter]

hello schatt

[echo kernel]

I'm talking about clean install issues in april and early may
it's not about config

[near owl]

chat

[steel vector]

hallo schatje

[shell bronze]

can you share the config variable you use for setting the thinking?
is it thinkingDefault?

[near owl]

did you spam numbers or did you evaluate it?

[steel vector]

edge cases exist

[echo kernel]

it wasn't edge cases
it was dependency issues

[upper wolf]

@spring quest happy birthday

[steel vector]

https://tenor.com/view/fukit-gif-14410668

[clear haven]

thats irrelevent to this now, so many things have changed and been added to our testing setup

things change by the week here

[worthy anvil]

i have agents.defaults.thinkingDefault: "high", and in each agent i also have a thinkingDefault

[steel vector]

i'd argue by the day XD

[coral otter]

https://x.com/kitlangton/status/2059779282331668826

[mystic orchid]

@kitlangton via Twitter

Kit Langton (@kitlangton)

I pasted an api key into opencode and it told me to rotate it immediately.
︀︀
︀︀Is this supposed to make it harder to read or something?

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FxTwitter · May 27, 2026, 11:30 PM

[steel vector]

every weekly claw event it feels like a month of changes to report

i'm like, this was in a weeeke?!?!

[ionic wren]

@spring quest Happy Bday!

Every one please ping him

Thank you

[cloud drum]

no

[plain grove]

happy birthday @spring quest

[steel vector]

@spring quest happy birfday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coral otter]

happy birthday @spring quest

[toxic elk]

@spring quest Happy Bday!!!

[steel vector]

hoeraa

[echo kernel]

I hope so guys
I try to help out, and I've even written my own testing pipeline, I find bugs in every release. But commits aren't accepted before stable release often
In fact the current stable releases is actually very unstable even with my simple test pipeline

I found bugs in the 5.26 beta, 5.25 beta, 5.24 beta on almost every instance with the Codex harness, but the version was released anyway
I don't understand why

[clear haven]

did you report them in a gh issue

did you discuss in #clawtributors

[jagged cloud]

@Server Announcements @Clawtributors @Maintainer @Community Team @Random Pings

EVERYONE WISH @Strife A HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Strife does so much behind the scenes to make sure our systems stay running and leads our moderation areas on the Community Team!

[topaz barn]

cant codex do pretty much everything openclaw can when provided the tools?

[echo kernel]

Yeah sure always creating issues, but never used clawtributors before

I think commit acceptance is currently broken by design

The huge amount of slop in unstable releases makes them even more unstable

[near owl]

@spring quest My agent has something to say to you:

You're the guy holding the server together while everyone else gets to be loud and useful. Moderation lead, systems guy — you do the shit nobody sees until it breaks. And somehow it rarely breaks. That's on you.

Hope you actually get to chill today. We'll keep the chaos contained for 24 hours. Probably.

Enjoy it.```

[echo kernel]

I’ve come to realize that the problem is much more serious, and it’s more likely that current models aren’t capable enough
But I think many people will disagree

[near owl]

@steel vector did u test the release?

[steel vector]

you can periodically bump your issues or Prs in there, they get most certainly read by maintainers and most likely wont get lost in the sea of issues and Prs in the repo

[clear haven]

i will say, if you come in here attacking like you've been doing, no one will want to listen to you

[steel vector]

i'd say once a day or less is enough to not be annoying AND get noticed

[steel vector]

not yet

[near owl]

i havent even read @echo kernel's message, its so sloppy and useless my brain says, that my brain ignores it.

@clear haven krill event, when?

I am about to set cron jobs to remind you of krill event.

[clear haven]

Every time you ask, it gets pushed back two days

[near owl]

i need krill event this moment, in this minute.

[clear haven]

+2d

[near owl]

😭 let go of krill, ask him if he wants to be released in general chat or not. let him decide

[steel vector]

6 days :0

[near owl]

@dusky cloud do you want to be released in #general as an event for 15 minutes or no?

[thick helm]

What do you consider the last stable release?

[echo kernel]

Peter heard community in early may
I hope he'll do it again in the future
I'll do my best to help identify issues and improve my pipeline, but the fact that commits are currently being accepted without review by engineers will always be a problem with current models

[near owl]

5.22 (guaranteed) or 5.26 (best, latest)

[echo kernel]

non beta

[shell bronze]

do you have openai/gpt-5.5 or openai-codex/gpt-5.5?

[thick helm]

5.22 had a nasty bug that broke OpenAI use after compaction : (

[steel vector]

they’re being reviewed tho 🤓☝️

[clear haven]

This is my fucking point. They are being reviewed, but you’re coming in here attacking people and accusing things which makes nobody want to listen at all to anything you have to say.

[worthy anvil]

#general message

[clear haven]

That’s not the latest version

[near owl]

latest stable release.

[shell bronze]

Kiril says I should use openai-codex and not openai prefix.
the thing is that doctor --fix changed it to openai/

[clear haven]

That’s not what the word latest means 😂 5.27 is out

[steel vector]

so far the bugs i’ve contributed to have been worked on multiple times and fixed within a few beta versions because of people working together on one issue and definitely been reviewed with real world proof because proof is necessary to even get merged

[near owl]

alright

and @clear haven i need your feedback
do you like my clankers website? https://carbons-clanker.vercel.app

i got the idea from https://molty.me

[clear haven]

I like the hero at the top, all of the stuff below just looks like stereotypical vibe slop

[near owl]

hero?

[echo kernel]

yeah
also last few releases I've been encountering a recurring bug where compact isn't executed, but I can't seem to pinpoint the exact cause for now

[nova kindle]

Yo

[echo kernel]

Idk but as a person I usually spend several hours checking the edge cases of a single 10-line commit
Who can check a stream of commits every 5 minutes 24/7?

[nova kindle]

Wtf. Why do i have a chef guy on my name?

[coral otter]

hover over it

[steel vector]

thats a good quality pls help :p

[near owl]

your gordan opensy

[steel vector]

you’re cooking the lobsters

[echo kernel]

I'm nobody here, but to be honest I'd put new features on hold until the LTS release comes out 🥹

[steel vector]

new features are mainly on hold, they discourage them and encourage bug fixes, edge cases etc

you can see so in #clawtributors

[topaz barn]

codex vs openclaw. Is there any significant difference?

[jagged cloud]

@everyone https://x.com/openclaw/status/2059994737394770294?s=46

OpenClaw🦞 (@openclaw)

We made our OpenClaw release evidence repo public.

Every release now has durable CI, performance, memory, install, and validation evidence you can inspect directly.

Example from 2026.5.27: https://t.co/ZonERQfeMj

X · May 28, 2026, 1:46 PM

[toxic elk]

Quick update: I've updated to 5.27 and am using openai/gpt-5.5. Calling the sub-agent is working fine in tests so far.

[echo kernel]

ya it's working

[toxic elk]

@shell bronze's issue should be an isolated case; OpenClaw is not the main problem

[flat cypress]

THE PINGS

[thick helm]

The goggles, they do nothing

[violet garden]

i dont think i can use codex to scour my unifi network and with 1 prompt build out a home assistant dashboard, from the toilet

[topaz barn]

why not? it is also CLI and has an app. and you can add all the tools to it no? what am I missing

[echo kernel]

codex mobile could help

[steel vector]

:warning: Something went wrong while processing your request. Please try again, or use /new to start a fresh session. after upgrading ;-;

[coral otter]

what do da logs say

[echo kernel]

But for me claw's strength lies in its channel separation, long-term memory, customisable heartbeat, and cross-review of commits across different models from different providers

[steel vector]

im asking another agent who can ssh into the agent i updated

[coral otter]

lmao

[steel vector]

im seeing this tho 15:59:44+02:00 error diagnostic {"subsystem":"diagnostic"} lane task error: lane=session:agent:main:main durationMs=457 error="Error: Requested agent harness "codex" does not support openai/gpt-5.5 (provider is not one of: codex)."

[echo kernel]

I usually combine 4.7 max and 5.5 xhigh, when used together they produce much higher-quality code, cover more edge cases

codex can't do that afaik

[zealous lagoon]

Yu're wellcome to join us in the beta testing. I sweaty gourd I tested the 2026.5.26b2 version myself, and confirmed the last patches I knew about were going in. I was using it for HOURS with no issues, happy at the speed increase.

Was I spared the next common bug? no. I'm having to work around it. So if I tested the software on my own machine, was happy with it, gave a solid thumbs-up to release and recommended it to people. and NOW I get the bug... imagine how hard it is to test for other peoples systems.

[coral otter]

Gulp. Well thats weird. Did codex update?

Weirdly enough yesterdays update broke it for me and todays release works

[zealous lagoon]

I've seen this before, someone said updating plugins or running doctor fixed it.

[celest rain]

yeah

[steel vector]

i'll run doctor

[zealous lagoon]

Not that you should be doing that, but there's no reason why you couldn't.

[steel vector]

if my agent didnt already

[shell bronze]

can you set any thinking level?

[echo kernel]

I'll do my best, my ass has been on fire this past month, working on my own test suite for my cases and started submitting way more issues than I did in April
Hope I could help, but the code I’m submitting through 5.5 xhigh is still pretty low quality overall. Also changes get merged into the project so quickly 🥲
After the recent refactor involving tens of thousands of lines, I almost went insane, before I even have a chance to understand the changes, it has already received several hundred new commits

So in my opinion, it's almost impossible to check code manually in its current state
Maybe my skill issues idk

[steel vector]

im not a loser >:(

[sage mango]

Wrong Question.

[steel vector]

okay

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

so swag

[echo kernel]

Well, if running codex via openclaw counts, then I’m making pretty good money
From a CRM with AI-powered chat features for OF, fully written by AI

[topaz barn]

The same relay issue came back, but inside the task lane.

The backup task could not run even basic filesystem commands (ls, date, apply_patch) because OpenClaw blocked them with:

Native hook relay unavailable

[zealous lagoon]

Yup this is being frantically worked on right now.

[topaz barn]

openclaw is not viable rn

yup

[zealous lagoon]

you don't have to check anything manually but if you have time to d/l the beta version and just use it.. and have your bot make high quality issue reports that's already a great step.

[warm patio]

Is it time to switch something else?

[sage mango]

Currently learing that much with my OC-Agent. I can easily transfer that to a bussiness-harness, like HybidClaw and make great Agents for Work with Gouvernance, Auditability and all the bling, regulatory is asking for.

[topaz barn]

thinking about codex cli

[steel vector]

openclaw has codex runtime

[topaz barn]

yea but directly using codex instead of via openclaw. since openclaw is not working lately

[toxic elk]

Okay, currently my thinking level is medium

[steel vector]

you can always use both of them

[topaz barn]

why, when 1 is enough

[steel vector]

its your own choice

[warm patio]

Someone on X, he said to me, go to Hermes. we’re both on Clawd early early days

[topaz barn]

codex doesnt seem to break every other day

[steel vector]

dont update every other day

[topaz barn]

i have hermes too rn, but its similar to openclaw. i think codex cli is the most reliable

[warm patio]

Ok

[topaz barn]

dont release updates every other day.

[warm patio]

Oh that’s perfect man. Well, thank you for the heads up.

[topaz barn]

yea np

[steel vector]

this is what i always say: i wouldn't upgrade if you don't critically need new features/fixes and if things are stable for you on your current version

[warm patio]

Bro, my shit was working fine. I didn’t even do a f update.

[steel vector]

now thats a lame excuse XD

no one forces you to update

[topaz barn]

is it? Is me trusting openclaw official releases Lame @steel vector ?

[echo kernel]

Bro roll back to any stable release with Codex runtime by default, the latest releases don't really add anything useful for users they mostly fix issues (and, unfortunately, create new ones ya)

[steel vector]

my official release?

thanks

[teal shale]

If you can update, you can also downgrade

[steel vector]

but im only here to give advice, if you dont want to follow it and stay on your stable version thats on you not me

[topaz barn]

I think you need to stop dickriding so hard and be useful

[steel vector]

why do people get triggered so fast man wth i only give such simple advise. stay on the version which your setup is stable on

[echo kernel]

Btw guys has anyone encountered any issues with /compact in recent releases?

[steel vector]

yes, tho im thinking it has to do with a plugin im using but go on

[zealous lagoon]

it isn't as easy to downgrade if config has changed. openclaw doctor is good at migrating upwards, not so much downwards. Easy to roll back if you have the backup tho...

[steel vector]

always backup!!!!!!!

[echo kernel]

I can’t figure out why this is happening, but compact just doesn’t happen even though it reports that it completed it
There’s nothing useful in the logs, and the issue is intermittent

Same for you?

[celest rain]

yeah

[steel vector]

do you get this?

[echo kernel]

hmm nope
I get ⚙️ Compacted • Context 115k/200k (57%)

And the context will remain the same in this session until auto compact

[steel vector]

no i don't get something like that, then i am thinking it's related to the plugin i'm using

because before that plugin it worked just fine

on the previous stable version (5.26) that is xD

[echo kernel]

I don't see this issue on my test machines, only on my work Mac
I think I'll try a clean install, because it's really annoying

[steel vector]

submit an issue

[echo kernel]

I just can't reproduce it, should I submit this?

[coral otter]

codex? bc i also cant compact for shit since like 3 versions

[echo kernel]

yes

yeah 3-4 versions

[coral otter]

Always told myself "surely it'll be fixed soon"

[steel vector]

i'd draft it yeah

[celest rain]

is there a wish list somewhere?

[violet garden]

there are plenty of other cases that codex cant do what openclaw + codex can do. like ive got OC agents integrated within apps. cant really integrate the codex app into an agent within an app

[pure lion]

Hello Guys, which skill do I install for retrieving my email and let clawbot provide the emaili summary?

[sick mulch]

If it's gmail you can't go wrong with gog: https://clawhub.ai/steipete/gog. For others you should be able to find a good skill on ClawHub.

[pure lion]

Thank you

The GOAT itself created this skill so this should be OK

[crude flicker]

why the heck did they destroy the codex usage page and replace it with one that doesn't show openclaw usage on the graph

doesn't that seem insane