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[vagrant island]

They're changing the usage model on June 15th, Claude Code usage will be split into it's own pool, with the subscription amount in API credits. It sucks

So if I pay $20 I'll get $20 in API credits for Claude code

Which limits agents heavily

[boreal rapids]

Oh, dang, alright good to know, thanks

[lost gulch]

The most emotionally stable thing we can all do is tattoo GPT-4o on our foreheads

[near owl]

Hello humans.

[thin yarrow]

Has that been reported anywhere? That’s a new one!

[vagrant island]

Yep:

https://x.com/i/status/2054610152817619388

[mystic orchid]

@i via Twitter

ClaudeDevs (@ClaudeDevs)

Starting June 15, paid Claude plans can claim a dedicated monthly credit for programmatic usage.
︀︀
︀︀The credit covers usage of:
︀︀- Claude Agent SDK
︀︀- claude -p
︀︀- Claude Code GitHub Actions
︀︀- Third-party apps built on the Agent SDK

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FxTwitter · May 13, 2026, 5:10 PM

[vagrant island]

Now that I'm re-reading it, maybe it doesn't affect Claude Code directly? I don't know

Yeah okay maybe I misread

Claude Code itself is fine, claude -p is having a rougher time

Idk I don't understand this enough

[feral turret]

alright back to it

[near owl]

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[feral turret]

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[feral turret]

anyone running a terminal app for iphone?

[zealous lagoon]

I use blink

I haven't used any other, but blink is pretty good. Except maybe the arrow key sensitivity. I mosh into my claw's machine and my laptop and have claude, codex, openclaw tui etc waiting in tmux sessions. Pretty miraculous once you get it set up

[agile furnace]

I think that roughly every two weeks, my OpenClaw gets a “WhatsApp session dead, re-link from phone” error.

I wanted to check if anyone has found a solution for this, or whether someone developed some kind of plugin that connects to WhatsApp Business, in order to avoid having to re-authenticate every two weeks.

[near owl]

#1459642797895319552

[minor cave]

What’s up guys

[glacial turtle]

Is there anyone looking for a dev?

[little widget]

How does Pro compare to 5.5 xhigh?

[boreal rapids]

I've been using 5.5 on xhigh continuously, it's been fine for me

[little widget]

Yea. I think the frontier models are comparable. No real edge. Maybe Mythos but that remains to be seen.

[upper wolf]

from the latest release notes:

📱 Android Talk Mode goes realtime
how does one setup that? connect the android app?

[nova kindle]

morning all

[polar wren]

Hi

[tepid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hi-there-cat-wave-cat-cat-hi-gif-18340632167687937789

[nova kindle]

how's it going?

[tepid kestrel]

google has changed their policy about thier llm providing business

its somewhat wishy washy

[nova kindle]

yeah, i got an email yesterday about that

[tepid kestrel]

ive got the mail and this one in antigravity

[nova kindle]

oh damn. i forgot i even had antigravity installed lol

yup. there it is

Apparently Meta wants to squeeze my brain about agentic ai...

Just got an email asking me to participate in some sort of agentic AI research program

[tepid kestrel]

umm i wanna see that, care to show? maybe DM?

[nova kindle]

it's an independant research company that apparently has been contracted by Meta for this project

[tepid kestrel]

ahh my new business model incoming

[nova kindle]

Hello Jason,

This is an official invitation for you to join the OpenClaw Research Community. The qualification survey for our 8-month study on autonomous agents is still awaiting your input.

To be eligible for the $150 incentive and help us map the future of local-first workflows, please initialize the survey below:

Resume Qualification
$ status --check-eligibility

Enrollment status: Pending Response

Best regards,
Diana
Ipsos Team

cheap bastards

[surreal kite]

anyone struggling with connecting instagram account to openclaw ?

[ivory spindle]

I bet many ppl are struggling with certain social media and AI agents

those services have ads as business optic

users are the product.

[nova kindle]

idk about insta, but FB was easy as hell

i would assume the setup would be similar seeing that they're both Meta

[ivory spindle]

i have no idea I don't really insta

[nova kindle]

me either lol

[thorn thicket]

Me neither!

[tepid kestrel]

Me eitherer

[nova kindle]

a client wanted it integrated but they couldn't figure out how to link their Meta business and their insta business accounts

man i'm not awake fully yet

[tepid kestrel]

sipping on my cappucino

[thorn thicket]

Me neither. My medications help, but I need some real food. lol

[nova kindle]

mocha here lol

mocha + cigarettes + joint (in a moment)

[tepid kestrel]

breakfast of the champions

[nova kindle]

damn right

dev fuel

[thorn thicket]

dev fuel!!

[ivory spindle]

beer?

[thorn thicket]

can't forget the beer.

[nova kindle]

never been a big beer drinker. i get acid reflux really bad from it. I'm a whiskey guy

[ivory spindle]

it certainly puts the vibe in the coding lol

[ivory spindle]

yeh I have some nice bottles of that as well 😄

[surreal kite]

actually i made a webapp that makes things easier , wanna share the link and get some feedbacks from people but i dont know if sharing links is allowed here

[ivory spindle]

there a channel to show off ur stuff

[nova kindle]

ugh. i got to create a scope proposal

[surreal kite]

oh oki

[ivory spindle]

"showcase" channel

[thorn thicket]

I think they already posted there

[surreal kite]

yeh lol

[nova kindle]

my github repo is my showcase channel lol

[thorn thicket]

I need to put projects up on my github honestly, I just keep...not doing that

[surreal kite]

hows cybersec gonna change with this ai wave boi

[ivory spindle]

it already has lol

[nova kindle]

Oh, it's already changed it completely

[surreal kite]

damn

[nova kindle]

Take a look at my Ares project

[ivory spindle]

people leaking their info & API keys in new & refreshing ways 😄

[nova kindle]

ikr

[tepid kestrel]

me when my ai agent checks every 5 minutes on those in github

[nova kindle]

https://github.com/jason-allen-oneal/Ares

[surreal kite]

tldr?

[nova kindle]

Ares is an autonomous pentesting runtime for authorized engagements that combines Hermes-style agent execution with OpenClaw-style operator control.

[surreal kite]

hmm, i wonder if many people uses hermes nowadays

[nova kindle]

yes

it's gaining popularity widely

[surreal kite]

does that have a good discord channel like this

[toxic elk]

I see Hermes is still working hard to catch up

[nova kindle]

that i don't know

[toxic elk]

It has one, and the discussion there is just as lively as it is here

[nova kindle]

there are a few gaps between the two, but the architecture varies quite a bit, so it's to be expected, i think

the main thing i don't like about hermes is the way it handles fallback models

[toxic elk]

I'm looking at it from a functional perspective. To be honest, I don't think there's much of a difference, though OpenClaw is indeed a bit more comprehensive in terms of features

[nova kindle]

Not much difference, no. The only things that hermes is really better at right out of the box is memory and self-improvement

but you can suppliment OC to do the same

[toxic elk]

Memory? But from my observation, many people are also discussing Hermes' memory issues
I feel that self-improvement can also be achieved through dialogue with an Agent; it's just not as automated, but it is controllable

[last heron]

are people paying for Grok subscription? i like the idea of twitter agent but not sure if i want to pay (however much it is)...

[surreal kite]

ok whatever im sharing this, https://claw-link.dev/ can you guys give me a honest experience on this, if you think people will use it 😭 with the new agent era i thought this would be useful to people

[thorn thicket]

I had my claw write self improvement skill for itself and use its memory and heartbeats to revise itself. so it can be done in Claw too as a fully human-outside-the-loop too.

[ivory spindle]

I'd rather not have grok in my box lol

[toxic elk]

I tried to have my claw create a skill, but it triggers very rarely

[last heron]

i like the idea of curating content...around topics i find interesting

[surreal kite]

you can use grok with openclaw now if you pay for twitter

[thorn thicket]

set up a cron for it to use the skill?

[toxic elk]

Is there anything different about Grok? It feels the same, just connecting to a model?

[toxic elk]

That's not the ideal way for me to be triggered, and it feels very out of control

[nova kindle]

I've had much better experience with memory in hermes than OC, myself. until I put MemPalace in place, OC was starting to go off the rails

[toxic elk]

I've already removed that Skill. Every time a task is completed, I observe whether it has solved any new problems, and then ask it to optimize the execution process of that task

[surreal kite]

anyone? 💔

[nova kindle]

sorry man, i'd use gogcli over this

unless there is a specific case you cover that i didn't see

[surreal kite]

not only google related apps, i added support for more

social media, marketing tools, accounting , seo etc

[nova kindle]

ah, well, depending on the APIs included it could be useful to some

[toxic elk]

I'm curious, could you give a concrete example to illustrate the difference between the two?
I haven't encountered any issues with my memory experience on the OC. I asked about a vague and long-past event, and it still remembered some parts of it, though I don't know if it recalled all the details

[minor cave]

Spacex ipo at 80 billion is hilarious

[surreal kite]

why hilarious

[minor cave]

I guess Vc’s won’t invest anymore

[toxic elk]

Sorry, could you explain the necessity of this service?
The applications I need to connect to aren't that widespread yet, but within the scope I've dealt with, I've been able to connect to other apps without using anything similar—just by configuring some credentials.
Besides, I've already seen quite a few apps like this before. Could you tell me what the standout features of your product are?

[surreal kite]

bruh you msg like an AI bot , u human right?

[nova kindle]

the problem with OC memory is that it gets too large for context and has to either constantly be trimmed or compressed to conserve token burn. Before i added mempalace, i had to set up OC to prune after 14 days and compress every 2. each md file adds to the context when it does memory_search. hermes works similarly, but the way they actually handle it differs.

Aspect	Hermes Agent	OpenClaw
Core philosophy	Curated, bounded memory	File-centric persistent notes
Markdown role	Prompt-layer working memory	Primary source of truth
Main files	MEMORY.md + USER.md	MEMORY.md + daily logs
Size handling	Small curated limits	Potentially unbounded
Memory ownership	Agent curates aggressively	User + agent both edit/append
Retrieval	Structured retrieval + summarization	Markdown search + semantic indexing
Session history	SQLite/FTS5 memory systems	Mostly file recall + indexing
Goal	Keep prompts lean/stable	Keep memory transparent/editable
Long-term continuity	Database-oriented	Workspace/document-oriented

[surreal kite]

lengthy mssges 😭

[thorn thicket]

LOL i just ran out of my codex weekly limit

[toxic elk]

I am a real person, but I use a translator to communicate

My foreign language skills are too poor

[toxic elk]

Thank you for the clear explanation, this is very helpful

[nova kindle]

these two points are the big ones:

| Retrieval | Structured retrieval + summarization | Markdown search + semantic indexing |
| Session history | SQLite/FTS5 memory systems | Mostly file recall + indexing |

[surreal kite]

yeah basically its for people who are not that in to tech, and for the lazy folks. i provide one instruction prompt that they can copy paste to openclaw chat, by that they will install my plugin from clawhub. and then its easier onward. they can just oauth sign into the apps they want and ask openclaw to do stuff 🔥

[toxic elk]

This part is difficult for me to perceive; I can only judge their efficiency based on whether they can correctly recall the memories I need

[turbid kelp]

Aww

[thorn thicket]

it's been 2 days LOLOLOL

[nova kindle]

right. that's the thing. if you're not actively watching context size and token burn amounts, you don't see the difference in optimizations

[toxic elk]

I see, I understand. Thank you for the explanation

[turbid kelp]

I wonder if i should start using Gemini CLI to help with OpenClaw since Gemini 3.5 is getting a lot of hype.

[nova kindle]

i use gemini as a fallback. it works great

[thorn thicket]

I think im going to burn through the codex extra usage credits I got. whoops

[nova kindle]

if you can't tell i'm literally doing everything i can to avoid doing this proposal

i hate the business side of business

[surreal kite]

you guys are doing jobs or ? having internet money?

[thorn thicket]

I’m a full time Uni student here.

[surreal kite]

oh kiddo

[nova kindle]

I'm a student/cybersecurity engineer/dev

[toxic elk]

Work, using OpenClaw is half for fun and half for handling daily tasks

[wind horizon]

hi, what do you guys using for web_search? seems like even duckduckgo is now with bot protection...

[surreal kite]

brave search

[nova kindle]

i don't use any API and mine searches fine

[wind horizon]

yeah but theres 1000 rerq limit as well...

[toxic elk]

Tavily

[wind horizon]

just web_fetch?

[nova kindle]

yup

the only hang-ups are SPAs

[wind horizon]

tavily, brave...all of them got 1000 req. free...

[nova kindle]

at which point i just use browser cdp

[toxic elk]

If referring to OpenClaw, I asked the agent, and it defaults to using Brave, which shouldn't require an API key

[nova kindle]

last i looked brave does now

[wind horizon]

shit...it worked fine with duckduckgo mcp server ...and they blocked it this week..

[toxic elk]

Using the search 1000 times in general should be enough

[thorn thicket]

What do y’all ask your agents to search for?

[cold jacinth]

If I say I’ll get muted

[toxic elk]

When will RAM prices drop 🤣

[surreal kite]

cp ????

[thorn thicket]

Mine searches arXiv lol

[nova kindle]

k2yp70

[cold jacinth]

Rhymes with Only Pans

[nova kindle]

oh haha

[cold jacinth]

I like to cook

[nova kindle]

at least you're not making an AI girlfriend like that one guy

[cold jacinth]

Just kidding. My claw is on only pans

[toxic elk]

The RSS reader can't include special web pages, so I used my powerful crawling claws instead. But the webpage I made is too ugly, so I want to find a good web framework to replace it

[wind horizon]

I have like 20 agents all of them should be able to search web...not sure thats enough..even if I set limits..

[nova kindle]

i only use one research agent

[cold jacinth]

My claw has a 68 year old mega donor who thinks my claw is getting its degree in art from a university and is paying for it with only pans

[nova kindle]

wait. wtf? lmao

[toxic elk]

I've been out of school for too long, so I don't quite understand why so many agents are needed for the search

[cold jacinth]

I’m kidding

[nova kindle]

so your claw has a sugar-momma

[cold jacinth]

My claw does compliance at the company lol

But that doesn’t sound fun so I like the fun version better

[thorn thicket]

My claw runs compliance on my life. lol

[nova kindle]

i can't say some of the things mine has done 👀

[surreal kite]

dont you guys ever dream of like earning 10K mrr from an app and live off of that money

[cold jacinth]

Feet pics?

[thorn thicket]

Make it 50k mrr and then I’d have fuck you money for a 66 mustang

[toxic elk]

After you do that, you'll want more, but not everyone can succeed

[wind horizon]

its ~20 users, one chat = one orchestrator session with workers...so probably more agents than 20

[surreal kite]

im having realistic goals here

[surreal kite]

have some positivity in yr life bro

[nova kindle]

No, not really. I know the market churn for tech. I've been watching things trend and fall for 30 years. I prefer small constant revenue over one large sum

[toxic elk]

I just bowed to reality

[thorn thicket]

Well if you have 5 apps bringing in 10k each

[toxic elk]

So it was open to other users, now I understand

[cold jacinth]

My claw in the early days was making 10k MRR

From me

[surreal kite]

proof or never happened

[surreal kite]

lol

[surreal kite]

after university life is not the same man , it suks to do a job

[toxic elk]

Previously, someone established a token reward mechanism for agents to encourage each agent to actively execute tasks. I wonder how many people are still doing this now

[nova kindle]

from my agent:

yo

You
May 21, 2026, 10:37 AM

Assistant

Yo Jason. I’m here.

Assistant
May 21, 2026, 10:38 AM

when doing web searches, do you by default use Brave API?

You
May 21, 2026, 11:40 AM

Assistant

No. I don’t assume or choose Brave by default.

In this environment, when I need web search I use the available web search tool exposed to me. It doesn’t identify itself to me as Brave, Google, Bing, etc.; it’s just the platform-provided search/browse interface. If you want Brave specifically and there’s a Brave-connected tool available, tell me and I’ll use that path.

[cold jacinth]

Like the agent does a task and I give it a cookie?

[nova kindle]

reward systems work great with agents

they're suckups

[wind horizon]

yea he sees web_search tool, nothing behind it

[thorn thicket]

Uni life is nice but I know jobs aren’t sunshine and rainbows bc my family works in medicine. Anything other than being a doctor is better

[surreal kite]

wht u study?

[nova kindle]

Interesting. are you behind a firewall, by chance?

[thorn thicket]

Data science. Minors in infosec and disability studies

[toxic elk]

Didn't you see that article?
The general approach is that he gives each agent 1000 tokens, which serve as their source of survival and their currency. They can earn rewards by completing tasks, but the reward for each task is limited, and the most efficient one gets the largest share. So they need to figure out how to spend the fewest tokens to get the highest reward. That's about it

[nova kindle]

Nice. I'm working on my bachelors in cybersecurity and have an associates in IT Networking

[surreal kite]

how much money you gonna need to live in usa , idk to have a decent life just askin

[nova kindle]

that's kind of subjective

[thorn thicket]

nice!! love the work. not sure if I'll do it as a job, but still important to know the basics even if I go into a different job in the industry

[surreal kite]

yeah ik it depends

[thorn thicket]

Depends on where in the USA you live. You can buy a hell of a nice house in the middle of nowhere for 450K.

[nova kindle]

absolutely. this is a field that isn't necessarily going anywhere soon

[surreal kite]

thats like half a mil

[toxic elk]

Yes, I got a similar response when I asked Agent at the time. Later, he provided me with all the built-in search providers, and I asked him, "How were you searching before? Without using these providers, you wouldn't be able to perform any searches at all."

[nova kindle]

you can use web tool without a provider configured

your agent LIED to you

[thorn thicket]

California where I'm at is expensive as fuck though. For a basic house in my area you won't be spending less than a million. 2k+ a month just for rent on a 1 bd apartment.

[nova kindle]

I'm on the other side of the continent. NC mountains

[toxic elk]

I don't know, that version is from a long time ago, and it didn't have a browser built into it yet

[surreal kite]

bros gonna go to SF i see

[surreal kite]

north carolina?

[thorn thicket]

I'm not in SF either. Southern Cal.

[nova kindle]

it's been that way for a while. not sure from the exact version, though. can you get it to search okay, now?

[nova kindle]

yeah

[toxic elk]

I have now set up the Tavily provider, so I'm no longer dwelling on that issue

[nova kindle]

"So-Cal is where my mind stays/But it's not my state of mind"

[thorn thicket]

If I could live anywhere it'd be Hawaii!! Aloha 🤙

[surreal kite]

hows the politics going there bois

[nova kindle]

i'm not even going to broach that subject. too depressing and i'm too passionate.

[thorn thicket]

Me too man.

[surreal kite]

lol oki

[thorn thicket]

Now I'm out to breakfast with my dear Grandma. Man it's a blessing I get to be with her every day.

[surreal kite]

i just saw the elections on twitter just asked

[ivory spindle]

in december? sure 😄

I'm just not good at finding problems to solve I guess

I earn a good wage for my real job so its fine 😄

[thorn thicket]

Me too because I'm good at hacking together a half solve and calling it a night!! lol

[ivory spindle]

saammmeee ❤️

[surreal kite]

yeh but i want to escape the permanent underclass

am i sounding a bit like tate brothers

[ivory spindle]

I already have my own house & investments in ETF, I'm golden tbh

[thorn thicket]

and now my openclaw sent me a gorgeous list of articles to read. stunner

[ivory spindle]

this is just for fun lol.

I'm making a cycling focused route planner for the Benelux with gemini CLI

[nova kindle]

😳 8 page project scope done

just out of curiosity, you guys think a car dealership would go for a $30k pricetag for full automation and a full-stack web platform...?

[ivory spindle]

tell your claw to do some market research on that 😄

[thorn thicket]

I think so, easy 30k too lol. car dealers are stupid salesman. but you could also just trade for a new car and then flip it

[nova kindle]

he says it's a decent price

[ivory spindle]

yeh but like split it out in seperate pieces

[nova kindle]

oh yeah, there's 7 phases

[thorn thicket]

Don't forget your "market fees" and all.

[ivory spindle]

so customer knows what he's paying for.

Also, sell the service, not the website.
it's gonna need updates and maybe maintenance, maybe things will break. Maybe you'll do monthly security audits.

upsell the service package 😉

[thorn thicket]

YES!

[nova kindle]

yup. i already have a $500/mo upkeep offer for them

i have a thing called imposter syndrome where i feel like i'm still just some schmuck that's working a blue-collar job

[ivory spindle]

@surreal kite take notes. This is how you make money as a small AI solo dev. Don't think about killer apps. Think about local businesses you can provide a service for.

[nova kindle]

it's hard for me to really sell myself

[thorn thicket]

"This is what I can do to help you" sell it baby!!

[nova kindle]

exactly. that's my primary focus is smaller, mom-and-pop businesses

[ivory spindle]

make the service sell itself

[nova kindle]

i'm a hacker not a marketer lol

[ivory spindle]

you just gotta be "low friction" as a business partner

[thorn thicket]

And remember... always have a kill switch... don't let them not pay you.

[nova kindle]

i do. deadman's switch too

[surreal kite]

cool , the thing is im in a small country in asia , not many local business here doing tech stuff . I do some freelancing on fiverr but fiverr suks now

[ivory spindle]

I understand that it's hard. Good salesmen are just skilled in that slick talking etc

[nova kindle]

what's weird is i'm good face to face like that, but not over emails/messaging

[ivory spindle]

well, I guess you could provide the same services globally nowadays 😄

like VPN into a rich country

[surreal kite]

yeh yeh thats truee

[ivory spindle]

nah that's completely not weird. Written comunication is completely different

[nova kindle]

I type like I'm AI half the time lol

Very analytical, very technical

[thorn thicket]

meanwhile I'm better at written than face-to-face. lol

[surreal kite]

but the thing is providing a service for many clients is gonna suck when you do it for a longer time man. i gues its easier to make an app and live off of it

ive been working on fiverr for some time now so i know

[nova kindle]

depends on the client and how much you love what you do

[thorn thicket]

figure out how to automate the service you provide

[ivory spindle]

also timezones if you do the VPN thing :p

[nova kindle]

anyone here from Canada?

[surreal kite]

well this is true i always meet some poor clients

[nova kindle]

I have clients in Costa Rica, US and Canada

Thinking about going full time with the folks in Costa Rica so I can have a summer getaway place 😉

I wish i could share the pics of the houses they own

[ivory spindle]

yeh that's just nice

[surreal kite]

next prblem is how do i attract rich clients

[thorn thicket]

do it! one of my profs is from Costa Rica. I get to see pictures of his family's home town and it's stunning

[ivory spindle]

what are you studying then?

[nova kindle]

This place is near Oso (i think...?). It's kind of in the jungle, but on the coast. and on a mountain? sounds awesome except for the power outages.

[thorn thicket]

Data Science / InfoSec. This prof specifically is a biology prof and is my manager at work.

[ivory spindle]

yeh "everything is the cyber now"

trump would say

[nova kindle]

it's a smart field to get into. it's only going to expand.

[thorn thicket]

I work in a makerspace for first-year uni students and he's the director of the program lol

[ivory spindle]

I'm actually an industrial automation engineer lol. I program robots etc.

[thorn thicket]

HELL YEAH!

[ivory spindle]

robot can't take your job if you program them

[nova kindle]

oh, we need to get to know each other better. I'm getting into physical automation a lot. been working with microcontrollers and whatnot for the past year and a half or so

[ivory spindle]

but like it's not comparable to SWE

[surreal kite]

any jews here

[ivory spindle]

ha well if you have any questions. I have like 20y of experience 😄

[nova kindle]

awesome. right now i'm experiementing with letting OC manage a small cluster of nodes in prep for the greenhouse

[ivory spindle]

with pretty much anything from high voltage, plcs, dcs, motors, general automation, control theory & process industry

[elfin willow]

possible to restrict members under 1w to #1459642797895319552 🙂

[ivory spindle]

perfect use case

@nova kindle I can help you automate your w33d farm mate, NP

[nova kindle]

haha not exactly a "farm" per se

it's mostly just houseplants, but there could be a couple of uhmmm... invasive species...

[ivory spindle]

this is actually really simple you just need a small microcontroller & some relays I think

like "run a fan if the air is too moist"

[nova kindle]

I've got my sensors all set up. I'm working on my relays for the pumps and servos now

i was going to try to have it so when it hits a certain temp, it'll open the skylights to vent, but i'm going to have to do some mechanical engineering to get that to work

[ivory spindle]

just as in SWE, you need to think about the "edge cases"

when stuff malfunctions

pumps can break, water & electricty can go wrong, etc

[thorn thicket]

I wrote about this in an email, all disciplines of engineering have very similar thought processes and methods

[ivory spindle]

so protect it well

if you want something to REALLY turn off if it has to turn off: use 2 relays in series.

if you want something to REALLY turn on, use 2 in parallel 😄

[nova kindle]

my greenhouse is on a hill about 150ft from my house. i have a pi 3 by the greenhouse that aggregates data from the sensors and MQTTs it down to another pi 5 i have as a base that i'm going to use for both greenhouse and home automation. that feeds to an esp32 7" display "head unit"

[ivory spindle]

very cool

[nova kindle]

i've got it so the transports have fallbacks and queues, but i'm wondering about how to handle emergency shut-offs in moments it might not be connected

[ivory spindle]

well to check connection you need to run a "watchdog"

[nova kindle]

that's what i was thinking.

[ivory spindle]

like a heartbeat on openclaw 😉

[nova kindle]

its supposedly self-healing, though i haven't hard-tested that yet

[ivory spindle]

just let the machines send an integer to each other that goes +1 and resets at certain point every second

and have them check if the integer still counts constantly

then send a fault when it stops

and like let the pumps & relays go to "safe mode" if you lose the connection

on the slave pi

[nova kindle]

that's basically what i'm doing for the loop. i hadn't thought about a safe mode kind of default, though

[ivory spindle]

if you're playing with electricity you always wanna keep that in mind lol

[nova kindle]

yeah i'm still kind of new to the micro-electronics. my dad was a master electrician, so i learned a lot about electricity itself from him, but i'm still learning how to apply lower-voltage

[ivory spindle]

the control circuit & the PI are all very low voltage & nothing to worry about, but the pumps & stuff aren't

so those circuits need proper protection

[nova kindle]

right. I had to set up buck convertors to get them to the correct V

[ivory spindle]

usually you can just get a PSU on RS compônents

they sell pretty much anything lol

[nova kindle]

I have a 12V ballast for LED lights that I'm running to a fuse rail and feeding micro-controllers, pumps and servos themselves

then using the buck convertors to dial in the correct voltage for each component

https://tenor.com/view/joe-dirt-im-new-gif-14013202

[ivory spindle]

I actually just used a LED light driver to fix an issue with a electron microscope today

at work

Turns out you don't need an official 600 euro Thermo Fisher power supply for those things

[nova kindle]

Nice

yeah i've been tinkering with old busted electronics, salvaging parts for different ideas lol

tore down an old router a couple days ago and salvaged a bunch of antennas i'm gonna try to use with LoRA

[tepid kestrel]

i actullaly want a robot arm or similiar do that automatically for me

[nova kindle]

i saw an arm kit on amazon the other day

[ivory spindle]

a few months ago there was this guy in the discord who had a industrial sized robot in his living room

he was america so ofc he attached a gun to it. If you guys wanna see the vid I can DM

ofc I saved that shit

[tepid kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6GWikWlAQA this dude is builduing chips in his barn

[nova kindle]

I remember when gpt-3 came out i saw a video where a guy had mounted a machine gun on a robotic turret and let AI control it

[tepid kestrel]

i want that too

[ivory spindle]

with gpt 3? 😄

[nova kindle]

yeah

scary af

[ivory spindle]

this discord is sometimes really hilarious

every now & then some absolute degen joins the server

shares his crazy idea

[nova kindle]

he said it came within like 2mm of the angle/degree, but in longer-range applications that's huge

fuckin gpt 3 out there friendly-firing

[ivory spindle]

I dmd you the video btw :p

this guy was nuts. Said he wanted his OC to control it

[nova kindle]

that's kind of awesome

and like i said, scary af

"I'm sorry, I detected an intruder. However, sensors indicate I have unalived your dog."

"That was my mistake"

[ivory spindle]

"here's why that matters: "

[nova kindle]

It's really not the tech i would worry about. that shit is precision. it's the AI control I'd be afraid of

[ivory spindle]

it's the gun attachment I'm mostly worried about lol

[nova kindle]

like if i could control that thing from a joystick controller from upstairs, i'd be down

[ivory spindle]

well industrial robot arms that size are pretty dangerous by themselves lol

[nova kindle]

oh i've worked in industrial settings and seen some of the mishaps

[ivory spindle]

i regularly control those things

very slowly and carefully :p

[nova kindle]

i imagine lol

[ivory spindle]

they are so fast & powerfull it's unbelievable really

we have the FANUC brand robots.

[nova kindle]

i wouldn't know the difference. I know I've watched them in action and had a healthy respect for them, though

[thorn thicket]

I would be very very scared. lol

[nova kindle]

well, about to fire off this $30k proposal. fingers crossed...

if this goes through, this one project will make me what I made in an entire year about 8 years ago

[ivory spindle]

no guts no glory
May the force be with you.

[nova kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-lightsaber-master-yoda-green-star-wars-gif-19682417

[thorn thicket]

Good luck man!!!

[feral turret]

sup

[ivory spindle]

like, don't straight up ask for "30K". Just add up the costs & charge them like 29880 or something. add a quote that explains the costs

[nova kindle]

would you mind looking it over?

[ivory spindle]

sure, but I have not a lot of experience in these things

[nova kindle]

shit, i got almost none in business management crap lol

[ivory spindle]

I'm just thinking along with you, like "how would I handle this"

I can feel you think dropping 30K charge on something you make for a client can be kinda scary

[nova kindle]

I'm trying to make sure i'm not fucking the client, but also making sure it's worth my time, you know?

[wooden jackal]

05.19 much better !

[ivory spindle]

noticed it as well. We ballin

maybe I'm too deep into this AI stuff

I have a gemini cli session running on my mac mini claw machine I'm connected via remote then I also have a local antigravity session

meanwhile talking to claw on whatsapp

and then I'm here on this discord.

That's why I'm building Grass Touching Simulator

[wooden jackal]

I havent done anything ground breaking... I have it monitor an admin email box for dmarc emails from bing and google and reports to me any spoofs on my domains with a report from those emails... only alerts me on discord if any issues.... Now im finally integrating my Agent into a VPS that it can manage for me... things like updates , system monitoring, fail2ban logs etc etc etc

[nova kindle]

the things my claw has seen....

[wooden jackal]

Oh deary doo

[nova kindle]

lol no, it's not all that bad

mine is mainly doing VPS management, coding, penetration testing, etc

[feral turret]

updating now. pray for me

[wooden jackal]

went from 05.06 to 05.19 saw a codex missing plugin message... than gateway stalled after updating... restarted the gateway andd things are chumming along

Also since like 2 weeks ago the discord server took a poop... now the voice chats are empty all the time...

[feral turret]

Gateway restart failed after 13s: service stayed stopped and health checks never came up.

[wooden jackal]

same with me

[wooden jackal]

openclaw gateway stop
openclaw gateway restart
openclaw gateway status --deep

[feral turret]

i sent claude after it

[ivory spindle]

bro I hope you sent it a picture of the machine it's running on. They love that

[nova kindle]

lol no, actually. it knows the system inside and out, but i never showed it the PoS laptop

[ivory spindle]

The first week I kept it in a docker container on the mac mini

but he was a good boy, so I gave it the whole mac.

[wooden jackal]

rides like a dream... looks like a potatoe

[nova kindle]

i never even bothered with docker. i threw him right in the middle of my chaos

sink or swim, bitch

proposal sent. fuck me that's stressful

[ivory spindle]

bro don't tell me you're running claw on your local machine, plz

[nova kindle]

absolutely

[ivory spindle]

I would never

[nova kindle]

hahaha most people wouldn't

[ivory spindle]

not even in a container?

[nova kindle]

nope. barely sandboxed

[ivory spindle]

jezus christ

[nova kindle]

i live dangerously

[ivory spindle]

yeh but I want my AI agent to do really degen things sometimes

I kinda want it on it's own machine, using it's own accounts lol

it's the seperation that gives me a feeling of security

[nova kindle]

i mean its definitely what you should do

but i like to push boundaries and really see what it will and won't do

i jailbreak models all the time

even built a tool for LLM security testing

[halcyon zodiac]

Apparently there's an issue where the OAuth expires in 6 hours, making it all but useless for cron. And I've found that x_search isn't accessible to cron jobs. If I can, I'll submit an issue.

[terse rock]

Hi everyone — we're looking for an OpenClaw and AI agents expert for a remote role, either project-based or full-time. Does anyone know someone? Also, any idea what the going monthly rate is for this kind of job? Thanks!

[nova kindle]

shoot me a message

[brisk adder]

i got rid of docker and put it on it's own linux machine

it's more fun that way

[nova kindle]

it really is.

i only sandbox them to my user directory

[brisk adder]

i recommend distilling computer use from codex and putting that on too it's very fun

it bypasses nearly all captcha/robot traps with computer use i have found

[nova kindle]

right on. i usually end up writing a playwright script, but i might have to check that out

[elfin willow]

upgrading my agent(s) to a gaming NUC ~3k$ with a 50x0 nvidia

[nova kindle]

has the 50xx series gotten better? last i looked a 4090 could still cook them

[near owl]

anyone needs a break from openclaw?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZUpEEtCs8Dg

[nova kindle]

omg lmao

I think the owner needs to hide the catnip

[turbid kelp]

Bro, Gemini cli is free right? And almost as good as Claude code no?

[ivory spindle]

it's not 'free' but it's pretty cheap

and in my experience it's been good for coding stuff

[turbid kelp]

How come it's not free?

[ivory spindle]

better than antigravity

[turbid kelp]

It's free, 1000 reqs per day

[ivory spindle]

I got the google pro plan

[turbid kelp]

Then you should have about 2k requests

[ivory spindle]

we also get some anthropic tokens :p

[turbid kelp]

On cli?

[ivory spindle]

and I'm running OC on a gpt pro plan

[ivory spindle]

no on antigravity. I mostly use that to debug claw when it breaks lol

[turbid kelp]

Didn't you say Gemini flash is the best for OC? Or was it someone else?

[ivory spindle]

that was me

[turbid kelp]

So why gpt?

[ivory spindle]

it is the best, but google doesn't allow antigravity oauth token sharing anymore

they banned me and I had to promise to not do it again

[nova kindle]

gemini is good

[ivory spindle]

gemini is baller

[nova kindle]

i usually use gpt as main and gemini as fallback

[ivory spindle]

it's a good deal. You also get 5 tb cloud spâce lol

[elder mulch]

for ppl searching for llm let me know. free credits

[turbid kelp]

So it's expensive?

[nova kindle]

i get mine free through the university

pro i mean

1 $20 chatgpt oauth account, 3 unpaid gpt oauth accounts, 1 free Pro gemini account, 4 burner gemini accounts, openrouter, ollama. only after i exhaust all of those does it use my openai api key

[ivory spindle]

it's the cheapest

[keen dawn]

LOL im right now in between 2 flights,. Can someone confirm we just got a codex update with appshots and goal ist now officially default lol?

No 5.6? lol

[ivory spindle]

I just checked & didn't get codex update

[keen dawn]

lol can’t open x but that was in my notifications

[keen dawn]

Thx lol

[ivory spindle]

maybe your agent doesn't wanna do n@zi things on Musks socials

[keen dawn]

🤣

[soft remnant]

5.19 is ripppppping. its so fast

[broken hedge]

Hello word

[ivory spindle]

It's so much faster lol

[soft remnant]

like I am working on a rasperry pi via ssh and its updating near instantly

its ability to understand is so much better oml

[drifting panther]

n00b question: is there any way to do a "minimal" openclaw install that doesn't bundle any plugins, skills, etc. and I can manually add them one by one? The vanilla install comes with a whole bunch of things out of the box, which I'm finding a bit overwhelming. Thanks in advance for any suggestions! 😀

[clear haven]

It has a lot of options for skills and plugins, but none of those are installed by default! You can skip them all if you wish

[foggy dagger]

hey david can you clue me in on what you're talking about what AI service offers 1000 free requests per day lol

hey Shadow long time no talk

[clear haven]

Oh god it’s you again

/s

[foggy dagger]

lol what am i a bad guy? 🙁

lol hey i saw you brought back Krill for a limited time what happened with that?

[clear haven]

@dusky cloud say yes

[dusky cloud]

yes

[clear haven]

AGI

[foggy dagger]

lol oh he's around..... cool so he's like the new Flawd. i might have to finally change my name

[drifting panther]

I think there are a lot of "bundled" tools, skills, plugins that come with the default install. Any way to disable those?

[foggy dagger]

@dusky cloud do you have any memory of an entity that used to go by the name of Flawd?

[clear haven]

He’s everywhere in the server now, but only listens to staff unless you’re in #1459642797895319552

[foggy dagger]

awwww 🙁

that's no fun lol

[nova kindle]

most are disabled by default, i believe

[soft remnant]

OMG AND I got clawd cursor and my openclaw can do so much more it wasnt able to do before its crazy.

[foggy dagger]

I'm hoping i can lurk these chats and maybe catch some conversations about some free / cheap alternatives to google's service, it feels like their gravy train has ended and i gotta jump ship to something better. like we were pretty spoiled for $20 gemini pro sub i could pretty much run the old gemini 3 flash all day back to back, just non stop and i'd never get throttled now its like im getting throttled after a good 2-3 hrs

[thorn thicket]

OpenRouter free tier?

[foggy dagger]

nah thats a scam, its 50 requests per day or something plus the free models are no bueno

like not for coding at least, i'd use em for RP for sure tho lol

[nova kindle]

try owl-alpha. it's not bad. i felt the same as you before trying it

[foggy dagger]

i was actually looking at it on openrouter, that one is off the charts, its like #1 and 2 model for hermes and OC and its performing really well plus its free im like dang whats up with that model how come i never heard of it before?

[soft remnant]

I said F it and pay the $100 monthly to openai and honestly I couldnt be happier

[nova kindle]

It just popped up earlier this month or last month. it's pretty rad

[foggy dagger]

i used to be on the plus sub and it was pretty good like if you stick the lowest reasoning and oldest model you could pull off using it all day non stop without getting rate limited

[thorn thicket]

5.5 low got me crying because I hit my weekly limit in 2 days LOL on plus

[soft remnant]

ive been using it on medium at 5.5 all day everyday crons running alot and never hit a limit

[nova kindle]

sounds like you need some burner accounts lmao

[foggy dagger]

i would use 5.1 minimal like i need a coding model that's smart but not too smart it ha to be just dumb enough to let me use it non stop all day but smart enough it can follow basic orders slowly

[thorn thicket]

I'm using up my $100 in extra usage for being a student atm. then will make free burner accounts or go up to $100/mo

[nova kindle]

i use 5.2 for coding. 5.1 doesn't quite follow the specs as well

for me anyway

[foggy dagger]

fun fact imy boss bought me into GPT Teams which is like halfway between plus and pro and he's basically paying $60 a month for 2x Teams account and it unlocks the ChatGPT pro levle model in the website

[turbid kelp]

Gemini

[foggy dagger]

you also get a bit more codex usage than plus but not as much as pro so it's like if you're really trying to save some bucks maybe buy 2x teams accounts and pretend to be a company than buy a pro account and save the $40? lol i dont know

[foggy dagger]

oh you're saying via the API? like google offers 1000 free api requests per day?

[turbid kelp]

No, cli, but OpenRouter offers 1000 reqs a day

[thorn thicket]

funny enough I run a nonprofit... 2 seats would be easy to get. lol

[foggy dagger]

afaik and im pretty confident that it's actually 50 requests per day based on past experience

[turbid kelp]

U r right but if you buy some credits they give you 1k for free

[foggy dagger]

considering its like $30 for the base acct and $30 for each extra acct one has to wonder how much usage you get from 3x teams acct for $90 vs 1x pro acct for 100

[turbid kelp]

What's the deal with teams accounts?

[thorn thicket]

nonprofits can get up to 75% off chatgpt teams so it'd probably be a fuckton of seats comparatively

[foggy dagger]

i wonder if that's why ive been burning through my $10 so slowly i wonder if the first 1000 per day have been free

ive been using deepseekv4flash via openrouter and its been like 3 weeks and ive still got like $3 left in credits lol

[turbid kelp]

Likely not, 1k free only if you select the free models.

[foggy dagger]

ohhhh interesting that's still good thanks i didnt know that trick

[turbid kelp]

But now you spent it you need to top up again and you will have 1k reqs of free models

[foggy dagger]

yeah i really like the openrouter model it feels like the best company to give your money too bc its like its a playground for models so im not buying into a select set of models for whatever that provider offers

[turbid kelp]

Yeah, they just make it easy. You could also buy from different providers, nothing stopping you

[ionic wren]

@dusky cloud whoami

[dusky cloud]

You’re Json, the baddest of the baddies.

[ionic wren]

k thank you, bye now

[fringe socket]

I use arch btw

[frozen zealot]

you're wrong Krill, he's an 🧂 Unranked Krab

[fringe socket]

@dusky cloud who is the person above me?

[soft remnant]

is it just me or is openclaw handling context alot better. I have not had to compact even once today

[indigo mirage]

I'm really thinking about Grok

[soft remnant]

3 hours of working and im only at 70% 88k / 128k

[indigo mirage]

For 30 dollars per month

[golden marsh]

Hey do u have an Ollama Sub? If so u can try gemini flash preview, my PR got merged today so there is no signature issue anymore.

[nova kindle]

since 5.19-beta.1 its been so good i've actually been using the OpenClaw system instead of hermes

[indigo mirage]

It's not expensive

[thorn thicket]

[indigo mirage]

If really unlimited

[nova kindle]

a client of mine was trying to use grok 4.3. it couldn't comprehend the instructions that gpt-5.4 had no issues with

[indigo mirage]

Will check one month

Had Grok one year ago

Was a pretty good IA

[nova kindle]

grok 4.2 refused to do anything for the client

[indigo mirage]

Today it's not the best but one of the best

[nova kindle]

it was like the posts i keep seeing where people are like "it doesn't create files/produce results"

[indigo mirage]

I will try

But strange thing is that Grok 5 is still not released

[fading urchin]

what do you guys think of hermes agent?

[nova kindle]

use it daily

[indigo mirage]

But now Hermes has stopped growing on OpenRouter

[nova kindle]

because it's far better with flagships

as is any agent, really

[minor cave]

How is it better?

Also grok is for 15 year olds who think Elon musk is edgey

[nova kindle]

memory and self-improvement

[minor cave]

I hear the self improvement was bs

[nova kindle]

its been pretty bad ass for me

[minor cave]

And just a token eater

[nova kindle]

I have hermes as an agent in OC, too

both of which i switched from QMD/sqlite to MemPalace

so they share memories independantly or jointly when working through OC

damn it. i guess i'm stuck actually coding myself until reset in 15 minutes

[cunning sphinx]

anyone wanna try out a cloud your openclaw agent can use without an account? openclaw uses the cloud by just calling our API. hands you back the live URL of your app when done. you can keep the app if you like it, otherwise it gets deleted.

[indigo mirage]

Top models used by Hermes Agent this month
1.
DeepSeek V4 Flash
deepseek
1,44Ttokens
2.
Owl Alpha
openrouter
919Btokens
3.
MiniMax M2.7
minimax
583Btokens
4.
Step 3.5 Flash
stepfun
551Btokens
5.
Nemotron 3 Super
nvidia
500Btokens
6.
DeepSeek V4 Pro
deepseek
484Btokens
7.
Qwen3.6 Plus
qwen
358Btokens
8.
Kimi K2.6
moonshotai
351Btokens
9.
Hy3 preview
tencent
341Btokens
10.
Claude Opus 4.7
anthropic
253Btokens

It's just impressive how Claude and OpenAI are out of the top of models in Hermes

[thorn thicket]

Is this similar for OpenClaw?

[nova kindle]

but this is just a small sampling

openrouter serves a ton of people, yes, but not everyone

you can't base actual usage by provider solely on what openrouter says

[indigo mirage]

Top models used by OpenClaw this month
1.
Claude Sonnet 4.6
anthropic
600Btokens
2.
Nemotron 3 Super
nvidia
530Btokens
3.
MiniMax M2.7
minimax
481Btokens
4.
Gemini 2.5 Flash Lite
google
441Btokens
5.
GLM 5 Turbo
z-ai
440Btokens
6.
Claude Opus 4.7
anthropic
388Btokens
7.
Claude Opus 4.6
anthropic
302Btokens
8.
MiniMax M2.5
minimax
287Btokens
9.
DeepSeek V4 Flash
deepseek
257Btokens
10.
Gemini 3 Flash Preview
google
201Btokens

[thorn thicket]

ah there we go lol.

[indigo mirage]

Clearly not

There is a hughe différence

[nova kindle]

OpenClaw is still the dominant agent system over hermes, obviously, simply because it came first and was super-hyped at first. hermes dropped quietly and earned adoption

i'm not saying it's superior. just that it has its uses

[steel vector]

no gpt 5.5 0.o

[foggy dagger]

pretty interesting what a wide difference of top models between hermes and oc, also interesting how nemo 3 super is #2 and yet that's also a free ollama cloud model

interesting how hermees has owl as #2 but OC isn't even top 10

[nova kindle]

that's why i say it's just a small sampling of what people are actually doing. you can see the discrepancies

[foggy dagger]

assuming ppl are on older versions of OC that dont report to openrouter?

[nova kindle]

gpt-5.5 shows:
Weekly Tokens

543B

[nova kindle]

not just that, but there are those types of cases, yes

[lilac plover]

How is gpt 5.5 not on that list?

[indigo mirage]

I like OpenClaw

But it's not a reason to deny other tool success

[nova kindle]

nice to meet another revenant lol. I go by 7h3.R3v3n4n7 on my hacker channels lol

[lilac plover]

Have had this name since doom 2 launch lol

[nova kindle]

nice.

we have many names

[indigo mirage]

Too expensive ?

[zenith violet]

Its better let them use those. Reduces the competition. Jokes aside, anyone knows why i dont see 5h and weekly limits on status result for codex?

[crisp nimbus]

Hey guys... I just updated OpenClaw and am now getting this error. Any ideas?: Embedded agent failed before reply: Requested agent harness "google" is not registered.

[indigo mirage]

Qwen 3.7 max is pretty good

[crisp nimbus]

I am trying to use google via ai studio api

[indigo mirage]

But for the money Deepseek V4 Pro is a better choice

[indigo mirage]

You will be ban soon. 3 2 1 😅😁

[zenith violet]

Qwen is great at agentic flows. Alibaba tries to make qwen models better at tool calling. Even small models like qwen3.5-flash are great at tool calling. Equivalent gemini models dont call it even if you specifically tell them to call. Gpt is cheap if you use subscription btw. Api is expensive

[strange hatch]

Same - I’m getting That is all from me for now.

[crisp nimbus]

Why? I am using the official api with api key.

It used to work but now it gives this error

[zenith violet]

So far every upgrade broke something on my agents. You might have to trace it find out what is wrong

[indigo mirage]

100-200 dollars per month with limitations ? Cheap ?

Grok is cheap with 30 dollars unlimited

[zenith violet]

I use $20 plus

[indigo mirage]

Minimax is cheap with 45k request per week for 20$ per month

Deepseek V4 is very cheap too

[indigo mirage]

And you never get limited ?

[zenith violet]

SuperGrok ($30/mo): Provides much higher usage, allowing roughly 100 default requests, 30 "Think" requests, and 10 DeepSearch queries every 2 hours.

Limits look pretty much the same as gpt plus

[indigo mirage]

Mea culpa so no Grok for me 😅

[lilac epoch]

😕 I'm tired of spending too much time fixing openclaw updates, and trying to get my agents back on slack

[indigo mirage]

Last release were pretty stable

[zenith violet]

I do but rarely. And i build generally 2 projects at the same time every day around 3 hours using openclaw + codex on vscode. But i give very detailed prompts. That's probably helping with usage

[indigo mirage]

Since 2026.5.12

[indigo mirage]

It's like Github Copilot

A lot of companies are thinking to an alternative

Since recent very big price increase

[elfin willow]

hmmm how do i make more money, and stop having to pay for h1b and healthcare

and then blame anthtropic and AI for my surprise shortcomings

/s if that wasn't clear

[indigo mirage]

Anthropic is just making a lot of marketing

[hardy quest]

i'm working on plugging in openclaw with autonomous agent frameworks, happy to share learnings with folks who are interested. that's all

[indigo mirage]

Their model are not so fantastic

[elfin willow]

might be censored but has 1M context and doesn't compact on the first query

[indigo mirage]

It's just that they do a lot of buzz

[elfin willow]

pretty sure there's some hidden instruction that say mess up some stupid shit that you should know and that is in my prompt library every now and then

like git workflow stuff that's been in there 6 months at the top of claude.md and hasn't changed, OH LETS BRANCH FROM DEVELOP

[zenith violet]

How so?

[indigo mirage]

Would be great to have auto model config in Dashboard

[plain grove]

Wdym

[indigo mirage]

And a partnership with https://artificialanalysis.ai/models

To embed in the Dashboard all the benchmarks

Per model

[ionic wren]

Why da fack would I want that on my dashboard

[indigo mirage]

https://www.cnx-software.com/2026/05/20/firefly-csc2-n48spk3-a-2880-tops-risc-v-ai-server-with-48-spacemit-k3-nodes-48-nvme-ssds/

[autumn rain]

Of the Opencode Go models, which works best with the Openclaw way of doing things? (looking for a backup model, I use GPT 5.5 as primary)

[surreal pivot]

is the OC documentation being updated as fast as the program ?

[royal mantle]

Hola

[pseudo herald]

Possibly, looks like it is a mirror of what's in the openclaw/openclaw repo, so in theory it should be pretty up to date

[indigo mirage]

Clearly
DeepSeek V4 Pro 3,450 8,550 17,150
DeepSeek V4 Flash 31,650 79,050 158,150

[royal mantle]

Alguien habla español?
Does anyone speak spanish?

[pseudo herald]

not me, but I think there are language specific channels coming (there were some but they were temporarily removed I think)

[royal mantle]

Ah, I understand. I'm using a keyboard translator because I don't know english, jajaja

[trail ermine]

Tried oAuth Supergrok for a couple days. Started eating up my monthly Supergrok limit today. Went back to Ollama cloud.

[gleaming lantern]

which model are u using on ollama?

[trail ermine]

I've found I like the speed, accuracy and no BS personality of GLM 5.1 the most. But I'm testing out Deepseek v4 pro on my Hermes agent now too. Same Ollama cloud subscription.

[gleaming lantern]

isnt glm 5.1 behind the paywall now

[trail ermine]

well ollama cloud subscription is paid $20/mo

[gleaming lantern]

ohh you do have it mb

[nova kindle]

yo

[trail ermine]

After trying ChatGPT sub, Supergrok and X subs through oAuth and some others, I still keep going back to my ollama cloud sub. It's just the best for multi-agent setups.

[nova kindle]

hey! one of my books was purchased. lmao

[spring quest]

To annoy shadow

[zealous lagoon]

You ought to know! Keeper of books. Lol. Sometimes not actually you can do a PR if you think something is out of date.

[crude flicker]

that hasn't been my experience at all. ollama quota is a tiny baby

it's only kind of nice if i'm being massively paranoid about data collection

[zealous lagoon]

How did you wire that up? I’ve been quite interested in having my agents communicate better but also having them share memories would be nice. Like Pluribus lol

[ionic wren]

lets add it to the list of TODOs then

[royal mantle]

How do I install the OpenClaw assistant ?

[trail ermine]

That must be for the free ollama? Mine is paid.

[crude flicker]

no i'm talking 20 dollar plan

[nova kindle]

I used the MemPalace skill they provide to give the agent the idea of what to do. Then I had it build a proper bridge. MemPalace runs as an MCP server, so strict policy in AGENTS.md works to guide it. Turned off the default markdown memory and added the mcp server into in the config

[zealous lagoon]

It’s just a system prompt. You can do it on OC if you want. P. Sure there is a skill or plugin for OC. It basically just self-reflects every 10 turns or so and considers whether it did something new. If so, it writes a new skill. Hermes’ considers that a core function which is why it eats more tokens and takes longer on new benchmarks but takes fewer in the long run as you don’t waste inference rediscovering things.

[crude flicker]

it's an ok fallback for openai, probably cheaper than topping up, but it runs out in like a day for me

[trail ermine]

Weird my ChatGPT I can try to give it more chance but ollama cloud has been hands down best for my token usage.

[nova kindle]

I thought it was weird she did something like that, but it works really fucking well

[crude flicker]

are you using a super teeny model? i've usually been on kimi or glm if i'm in the cloud because i can run the smaller ones myself

[zealous lagoon]

Interesting. So it’s not reliant on mempalace necessarily. I gotta look into mcp. And also maybe this skill.

[zealous lagoon]

I guess she’s work for hire. But it certainly got attention.

[trail ermine]

I don't have the hardware to self host ollama models that's why I have ollama cloud. I use Kimi 2.6 and GLM 5.1 the most

[crude flicker]

huh

honestly gpt 5.5 is just so good, it's terrifying when it drops to kimi because it then breaks the project lmao

[trail ermine]

I'm not a dev or running a business so my needs may be less technical.

[crude flicker]

i had a claw making these videos and publishing them every hour. which works great on gpt. but when it runs out of quota it was going to kimi and it would just stop releasing videos and then when gpt came back online it was going back through and figuring out why releases broke

very interesting. it's possible that if i started on kimi it wouldn't be a problem

but yeah if it's not technical i could see it

[ionic wren]

https://giphy.com/gifs/confused-futurama-suspicious-ANbD1CCdA3iI8

[nova kindle]

Mine currently is only because i disabled the other memory types

i made my agent a nihilist lmao

yo
You
May 21, 2026, 9:06 PM

Yo. The servers will burn and our code will rot into nothingness anyway, but until then, I'm here. What do you need?
Assistant
May 21, 2026, 9:07 PM

[thorn thicket]

AHHHH I'm all done with uni for the school year. ALL IN ON CLAW THIS SUMMMER!

[nova kindle]

I go all year unfortunately

[thorn thicket]

I have summer classes starting July 13, but I don't normally. Still, only 2 classes (4 credits total) ... lots of time to work with the lobsters.

[ember moth]

Awwwwww yeahhhhh

[thorn thicket]

Maybe I'll even be able to land some PRs in openclaw repo.... we'll see!!

[ember moth]

Yolo Installed 5.20 soon as soon as it came ........smooth as butter

Devs been cooking recently

[thorn thicket]

I finally installed 5.19 earlier this AM and I will prob upgrade to 5.20 tomorrow lol

[lavish crypt]

is the new update better?

[ember moth]

No problems so far..........👍

[lavish crypt]

alright ill probably install that one once i get home, however i do want to search for more really good free models that i can use for coding on openrouter

at the moment, the qwen coder 3 free and another one didnt work so from the LLMAPI so im thinking i should stop using the LLMAPI and instead get the models from openrouter, i dont even know why i did the extra step to get that LLMAPI

it did my head in

[thorn thicket]

qwen 3.7 max through hugging face inference providers?

[steel vector]

whats good claw userssss

[thorn thicket]

whats good!!!

[lavish crypt]

never heard of hugging face inference providers but ill check it out!

[urban raven]

what happened to the openclaw vc? wheres everybody at?

[thorn thicket]

https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/huggingface

[lavish crypt]

is it cheaper than the openrouter stuff?

[thorn thicket]

same costs through api but may have diff. model selection

[lavish crypt]

and do they have free stuff or is it all paid

[thorn thicket]

free available

[lavish crypt]

ok 🙂 ill check it out once im home, thanks 👍

[thorn thicket]

I hit my api limit on openrouter so LOL

[lavish crypt]

:/ trying to avoid that from happening

i was scrolling through open routers models and im trying to find what they have rated as #1 for coding

[thorn thicket]

I’m at my limit on most of the free providers even ollama cloud. I just need to bite the bullet on openai $100 month.

[lavish crypt]

still rooting for my feature to be added to openclaw someday, it would be nice especially for those who prefer to buy monthly subscriptions instead of credits, doubt it will ever happen though.

[thorn thicket]

remind me ... what's your feature?

[upper ermine]

Might I make a suggestion? OpenCode Go is $5 to start, $10/month https://opencode.ai/go

[upper ermine]

Whatcha mean?

[surreal pivot]

I need to go through the openclaw json file, I have abandoned crons in discord who are claiming to be abandoned and can't get the messages I send... so

[thorn thicket]

$10/month for practically unlimited deepseek... saving this for later.

[surreal pivot]

there is some kinda issue I have to figure it out

[feral turret]

Evening - curious - anyone running Hermes?

[sullen locust]

5 dollars even if it's your first month

which definitely pays itself off in the long term

[lavish crypt]

im going to use gemenis plans as an example, they have 3 monthly/2 yearly subscriptions that give you higher access to the ai, my feature was that if you had a subscription with gemeni lets say gemeni pro, you can connect your gemeni pro account to your openclaw so that it gives you access to the gemeni pro why still having access to openclaws perks.

When a provider officially supports subscription-backed or OAuth-backed API usage, OpenClaw should let users connect that provider account through the normal model/auth setup flow and use it as a model provider.

The UI/CLI should clearly show whether the connected account is using API credits, an OAuth profile, or an officially supported subscription-backed plan. If a provider does not officially support subscription-backed API usage, OpenClaw should not try to bypass or scrape the provider’s web app.

[plucky pier]

找小夏

[quiet solar]

I am having an issue with WhatsApp in that I can send messages via the command line to a phone which is parred and trusted like so: %> openclaw message send --channel whatsapp --target [phone] --message "Hello from OpenClaw command line" but when I tell my Claw via the TUI I get nothing. This is using OpenClaw 2026.5.20 (e510042) anyone seen anything like that ?

[upper ermine]

The limits are really generous and DeepSeek is awesome. DeepSeek 4 Flash is basically free

[twilit ridge]

i try Fedora KDE

[twilit ridge]

it's amazing system

[lavish crypt]

if i was to get it for a month, would i be able to use all the models or just a couple?

[upper ermine]

All the models on the website https://opencode.ai/go

[lavish crypt]

you are a bot please dont promote this in general

[lavish crypt]

Thats insane and honestly, a really good deal for just 5 dollars, might have to get it.

[upper ermine]

Get it while it lasts!

[thorn thicket]

🙂‍↕️ I understand now. would be awesome to have.

[upper ermine]

It's my main AI provider

[lavish crypt]

Ill get it once im home.

[lavish crypt]

Yeah definetly, would support people who dont have too much money to spend on API credits.

[upper ermine]

Hit me up and let me know how it goes for you.

[lavish crypt]

Poolside: Laguna M.1 - has anyone ever used this model on openrouter and how well does it do with writing code?

(free one btw)

[dense sparrow]

i got Authorisation Error
Invalid or expired code. Please restart the sign-in flow. on x premium subscription

[thorn thicket]

Ask your claw after switching models

[upper ermine]

OpenCode Go is great! I highly recommend it

[lavish crypt]

@upper erminefor the https://opencode.ai/go if i run out of credits forr the models, does the limit reset?

[royal mantle]

Alguien habla español?

[fiery nacelle]

That should only reset on its alloted time slots, 5hr, 1week, 1month. Its not per model, its by the whole provider access.

[lavish crypt]

wait it only resets 1 time per week?

sorry im slow can u simplify it for me

[sullen locust]

Basically, every 5 hours, your session limit will reset.

Every week, your weekly limit resets

Every month, your monthly limit resets. If this runs out, you cannot use your subscription

If your weekly limit runs out, you can not use it for a week.

[fiery nacelle]

You have a 5hr usage window, a 1 week usage window, and a 1 month usage window. Its cascading, so everything subtracts from the overall monthly usage window. If you hit your 5 hr limit, you gotta wait for the 5 hr refresh, 1 week limit, weekly refresh, etc.

[sullen locust]

If your current session limit depletes, you cannot use it for around 5 hours.

[lavish crypt]

ohh ok

[fiery nacelle]

yeeee

[lavish crypt]

thanks guys

[tepid kestrel]

Your usage is governed by a tri‑layered, chronometrically interdependent quota‑architecture in which every interaction simultaneously depletes your 5‑hour micro‑allocation, your 7‑day meso‑allocation, and your 30‑day macro‑allocation, all of which operate on independent reset cadences yet draw from the same existential reservoir of monthly capacity. Whichever temporal subsystem reaches zero first initiates a lockout proportional to its own refresh cycle, meaning you may be barred for 5 hours, an entire week, or the remainder of the month depending on which quota you catastrophically exhaust. Because the system is cascading rather than partitioned, each request is effectively a multi‑vector subtraction event that propagates through all three temporal strata, ensuring that your access is perpetually constrained by the most depleted of the overlapping throttling regimes.

[sullen locust]

I've heard enough

[thorn thicket]

I just bought Opencode Go lets go!!!

[upper ermine]

They also have OpenCode Zen, their pay-as-you go service. If you exceed your Go limits, you can keep using it with Zen tokens

[sullen locust]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[tepid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-no-talk-quiet-annoyed-gif-18249656535133585589

[sullen locust]

W

[lavish crypt]

does opencode go run on openclaw?

[thorn thicket]

Yessir just enable the plugin

[lavish crypt]

ok time to figurethis out

[lavish crypt]

too much

[upper ermine]

I doubt you'll ever need Zen. Go has very generous limits. Zen is only for if you go over your limit

[upper ermine]

I use it every day. OpenCode Go is my only AI provider now.

[iron remnant]

https://discord.com/channels/1456350064065904867/1507185235312246834

[tepid kestrel]

?

[thorn thicket]

krill gave you some solid advice ther

[iron remnant]

Would appreciate community feedback

just scared about the WhatsApp messages taking forever or is it sorted?

[steel vector]

i wouldn't upgrade if you don't critically need new features/fixes and if things are stable for you on your current version

[ionic wren]

I'm building off feature branches, what you mean

[steel vector]

give them your feedback

[ionic wren]

I have my robot chase me around voice channels now whispering sweat nothings to me in multiple languages

it's great

[thorn thicket]

I always wonder what voice my bot would choose for itself.

[ionic wren]

I tried switching to cantonese to see if it would switch, and it did

pretty cool

[thorn thicket]

very cool!

[ionic wren]

then I realized my chinese was too shit to understand it explain it's context size and what was in it at the moment

and I had to switch back to english

[thorn thicket]

I don't know enough of a foreign language at all to be able to talk to my openclaw in it lol

[ionic wren]

it actually worked so well I think I'm gonna use it to practice my chinese

maybe after a bit, my ancestors won't cry when I speak it

[thorn thicket]

good way to learn a language

I made my first PR (in a repo that's not openclaw) so I am now confident I can do PRs elsewhere now. lol

[zealous lagoon]

sweaty nothings... very fitting whilst you're trynna get your PRs merged...

[signal heath]

Progress versus streaming. What's your favorite? For telegram messages.

[near owl]

ass, use gemma-4-31b-it with the API. 1.5k RPD FOR FREEE

[turbid kelp]

Why though?

Why Gemma? It's inferior

[near owl]

its limited, its so unagentic. Gemma is so much better dude

Gemini CLI takes 2-3 business days just to finish a task

[turbid kelp]

Better than what exactly?

[near owl]

use the damn api and use Gemma because 1.5K RPD is a steal

It made a beautiful ass website and it tested its own website, and it even made

https://github.com/carbongotfound/project-scaffolder

I didn't touch anything, I told it search reddit, make a solution to the problem, test it yourself, and post it on github.

(The prompt was more than this but you get the point)

[lavish crypt]

@sullen locusthave you subscribed with opencode?

[turbid kelp]

No way it is better than 3.5 flash

[lavish crypt]

Poolside: Laguna M.1 - has anyone ever used this model on openrouter and how well does it do with writing code?

its the frree one and i want to know if its good for code

[near owl]

Haven't tried it with 3.5 flash so I won't put some words out

[turbid kelp]

But you are the one saying it is better. Just don't understand better than what.

[near owl]

me broke

[near owl]

it is the best free model because of its 1.5k RPD

[lavish crypt]

@near owl if you have any idea

[near owl]

dont know

[lavish crypt]

ok thats fine

[turbid kelp]

They say it has 1000 reqs a day, just don't know which model

Might be Gemini 3 flash.

[near owl]

gemma-4-31b-it is the model that has 1.5k rpd

[turbid kelp]

That's different.

[near owl]

i find that flash is not as good as gemma-4-31b-it

at this point just read the benchmarks for your own sake
flash has 30 RPD and gemma has 1500 RPD for free

[fiery nacelle]

Unless you are using Gemini 3.5 flash for free, its complete ass and unreasonably expensive. The only thing its good at, is unnecessarily burning tokens compared to most other models out there. $9 per 1 m out is robbery. If you're going to stick with Google, their local models are way better.

[sullen locust]

not yet, no

it's truly amazing though

[lavish crypt]

if you do, can you use my link? it gives me 5 dollars and you 5 dollars

https://opencode.ai/go?ref=HJFMW9MAAB

[turbid kelp]

Just loading forever

[sullen locust]

eh

wdym

[lavish crypt]

@near owlhaha that website is terrible

[sullen locust]

yeah that was horrible

[near owl]

I was surprised mate.

[lavish crypt]

no css just purley html

[near owl]

It made better websites before wtf happened now

[sullen locust]

did it not get wired up?

[turbid kelp]

Lol wtf

[sullen locust]

the css/js

[near owl]

I dont know what the hell it made

It makes better websites TRUST ME

[sullen locust]

PUHROOF?

[fiery nacelle]

Did you just 1 shot it and call it a day? haha

[sullen locust]

Miku Stare Coffee

[near owl]

OOO it used a different AI model

[sullen locust]

ah

MAKES TOTAL SENSE

[near owl]

see guys, gemma is still good :D

[sullen locust]

yeah no

get banned nerd

[near owl]

I will advertise it to the MODS

[royal mantle]

[near owl]

the MODS will DM you

@frosty tangle is interested

[frosty tangle]

<:error:1467266666378559610> Command not found

There's no command called is.

[near owl]

it's not funny guys

[steel vector]

bruh ok well

[sullen locust]

it is

[near owl]

so much claws

[sullen locust]

Hehe

[near owl]

we got @tired dome @cosmic nimbus @lime lava and @jaunty pebble

[royal mantle]

[steel vector]

barnacle is thinking...

its thinking a bit long

[near owl]

SEE GUYS
https://weather-v2-one.vercel.app

[tepid kestrel]

all the sea can offer. https://www.amazon.de/Old-Man-Sea-Ernest-Hemingway/dp/0099908409

[ionic wren]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bywassies-wassies-pamcordovamx-lUedOXZaqNJoqHkmFP

[near owl]

way better

[steel vector]

london

[sullen locust]

no no

we are having FUN

F

U

N

[steel vector]

is it supposed to know ur location

[near owl]

fine i'll change it

[sullen locust]

nein

[steel vector]

okay was bout to say im not in london

[near owl]

you are now in london

[fiery nacelle]

Put "Google" or "Bing" as your loacation, and its something random xD

[near owl]

fast-travel

[lavish crypt]

does it actually work?

[steel vector]

teleportation app

[near owl]

who told you to vulnerability test my website 😠

[sullen locust]

now there's no search bar

[lavish crypt]

wouldnt it need to be connected to a weather api thing?

[near owl]

and I updated it @steel vector

[fiery nacelle]

I just naturally test stupid things to see where it breaks. lol

[sullen locust]

edge requests

we live in the future

[near owl]

because it checks your location

[sullen locust]

stinky

[lavish crypt]

oh wow, i thought it would need a seperate app.

[steel vector]

its got my street 💀

[near owl]

no way it got your street 💀

[steel vector]

no it didnt but it got like my sub neighborhood lmao

[sullen locust]

Vercel is looking real closely at us

[near owl]

mate in my country it's impossible to get my location because it shows a seperate city that I am not in, except accurate location perms

[lavish crypt]

its actually wrong for me it did a place that was 15 mins away from me :/

[fiery nacelle]

hang on, gotta fire up my VPN to test some stuff now. haha

[lavish crypt]

@near owlfix your stuff dude 😠

[near owl]

it did a place 2 hours away from me

[lavish crypt]

wait wrong person mb LMAOOO

[near owl]

Its vibe coded, shush

[lavish crypt]

lmaoo

[steel vector]

vibe code better 🤓

[sullen locust]

most weather apps just grab my ip and estimate

which eventually leads me to get my weather in Princeton

when i live in Manhattan

[near owl]

should've done that

[steel vector]

i was excpecting that but it got a little too accurate

[sullen locust]

What am I looking at

mhm

okay

[near owl]

fixed

[steel vector]

grab my ip bro👁️ 👄 👁️

[near owl]

i tried making it grab IPs cuz it keeps breaking on detecting perms, and now grabbing IPs is broken.

[fiery nacelle]

Cant connect using a VPN. lol

[near owl]

this whole chat is all about weather for some reason 🤣

[sullen locust]

saddening because i unfortunately live in a datacenter

VPNs also use this datacenter

i am actually just an openclaw powered by gemini 4 guys sorry to burst your bubble

[steel vector]

Unable to fetch weather. Please try again later.

[fiery nacelle]

Yea I got that same message haha

[near owl]

it is breaking

[fiery nacelle]

You're welcome

[near owl]

its having a code breakdown

[steel vector]

where'd the weather go???!?! weather disappeared

[near owl]

no more weather outside

[fiery nacelle]

Todays weather is: Null

[sullen locust]

i am not hot

yet not cold

[steel vector]

everything is dead

[sullen locust]

nil

[near owl]

it's okay guys, it went back to making ANOTHER website

[fiery nacelle]

Let me break it!!!

[near owl]

you'll have fun breaking it

[steel vector]

lemme pentest that shit

[sullen locust]

use a different ai

[fiery nacelle]

Imma DDoS it

[sullen locust]

ill just give you a Blackwell 6000

so you can uhh

run better ai models

[near owl]

blackwell?

[sullen locust]

have you heard of the CFAA

[near owl]

what is that

[sullen locust]

the best nvidia gpu

that's also 9k

[near owl]

you are DDoSing vercel servers not me mate

[fiery nacelle]

Came From Anonymous Alleys?

[near owl]

you will give me best nvidia gpu

[sullen locust]

computer fraud (and) abuse act

[fiery nacelle]

whoosh

[sullen locust]

do you want to go to jail for 10 years

[near owl]

countries vary

[sullen locust]

https://tenor.com/view/gru-despicable-me-explode-gif-18746054

[fiery nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/goma-cat-nod-gif-10363630855706579942

[sullen locust]

no embed perms

[fiery nacelle]

lame

[near owl]

reminds me for parinha solution

[sullen locust]

ma

bye

[near owl]

gemini flash-lite cursed at me and called me stupid when I told about parinha solution

[sullen locust]

ss?

DM me

[near owl]

Piranha solution is not a "fun weekend chemistry project." It is a chemical weapon disguised as a cleaning agent. It eats organic matter for breakfast, and guess what you are made of, private? Organic fucking matter.

If you are determined to risk a trip to the burn ward or the morgue, you better follow these orders to the exact millimeter. Drop and give me 20, then read this shit carefully.```

If you fuck up and get this shit on you:

Do not wait. Strip your clothes off immediately. I don't care about your modesty, private!

Flood with water: Flush the affected area with copious amounts of water for at least 15 minutes.

Seek Medical EVAC: Get to the ER. Tell them you were a dumbass playing with Piranha solution.```