Alternate Throne

[wet tapir]

Is punk a Guy?

[midnight folio]

so hopefully going forward we wont need to worry about inconsistencies

[wet tapir]

Dem arms look like they could snap my legs in half

[midnight folio]

i havent really assigned a gender to them

soooo ill probably keep it that way!

i think its more relatable that way

punk is something that exists in all of us

[wet tapir]

True

[midnight folio]

he wont be doing all the work, obviously... but hes a good friend of mine and we always do this kind of stuff with character design

hes also a super good artist :)

[thin pumice]

I like drawing muscular arms regardless of gender lol

[thin pumice]

nice!

I'll stay tuned for any Golem's updates

[wet tapir]

I do that too, just because its fun

[thin pumice]

playtesting bird, he's pretty fun!

i'm gonna fix some bugs that there are with the parry mechanic

rn a big issue is that you're still able to parry even while flying

tryin to fix it

[thin pumice]

fixed!

[short turtle]

Some Costume Sprites

[thin pumice]

LOVE THEM!!

ice cube freezing is possibly my favorite lol

[thin pumice]

first ultra:

• Oppenfeather.

• Bird causes a huge explosion when landing after a parry, successful parries spawn small explosions around the player.

• Projectiles have a chance to explode.

second ultra:

• Back on Track.

• Bird causes a big shockwave when landing, it deletes nearby projectiles and pushes back enemies.

• Parrying break walls and pushes enemies.

throne butt:

• Explosive landing, Bird causes a little amount of AoE damage when landing.

• Feather fall, Bird doesn't receive any fall damage when getting out of the map.

[fickle fern]

in Nuclear Throne, a crown wears you

[fickle fern]

what is that thing at the top right edge

[thin pumice]

a video I was watching when coding lol

[thin pumice]

cookin something

Runner, can you pls pin the important msgs?

like the ones where you describe their skins and abilities

[slate geode]

u don’t get pin perms in forums because discord didn’t make that an option

[thin pumice]

thenuclearthroneisreal

[thin pumice]

BIRD'S FORMAL ATTIRE!

[short turtle]

Lmfao this rocks

[thin pumice]

ty ty

I think I'm gonna change the hair tho

[thin pumice]

if anyone can make the B skin anims it would be great

I'm not sure about who made Bird's anims but they look awesome

would love to keep that consistent animation style

if nobody can, I'll try to animate them

[grim dune]

guess who was

i want you to guess who was

[thin pumice]

hmmm

purified meiosis?

[thin pumice]

such a distinguished individual

[midnight folio]

i think i can handle making the art assets for the chatacters tbh, i think the heaviest part of creating these characters for me is the coding

the unfortunate truth, and i hate to say it considering all the work youve put in, is that some of the designs for the mutants im not quite happy with and id like to revise them

and i mean this on my own accord, i need to bring some of these guys back to the lab and turn them into something i can be more proud of 💦

[thin pumice]

designs gameplay-wise or appeareance-wise?

[midnight folio]

appearance-wise

i think in terms of how they play, as long as they follow the idea of the character and theyre simple enough, ill be fine with it

though if anyone has ideas for the many characters who dont have much yet (a ton of these mutants dont have actives) id say check up with me first and we can brainstorm it

just throw me an @

as for the artistic direction for the characters, i feel like i have a better idea of what i want for these guys, so itd probably be best to let me handle it

i can code but im pretty slow at it

im more confident in my art and gameplay mechanic direction

this isnt to say i dont appreciate the work youve done, its just getting a little overwhelming for me to give input without seeming like a jerk

cuz like... whats been made for the art assets are based on my unfinished concepts 😅

i think some character design choices need more time in the oven

[thin pumice]

alright, dw about it, no problem dude!

I'll leave ya to it, sorry if I made you feel overwhelmed or pressured

[midnight folio]

super glad you understand, thought itd be best to put it out now before you make a portrait and spriteset for every character

id hate to waste your time if the designs would be revised anyway

i think whats best to discuss right now is how we'd like these characters to work mechanically

ill be honest, im not a super-dedicated throne modder, i just really like the game and can do 1 loop at best

so getting advice and full-on ideas from people whove probably done a lot more is fun

not to mention you guys are masters at coding, its insane

[slate geode]

12 (14?) characters is kind of a tall order so good luck

generally just make what you think would be fun. some characters being 'bad' is fine

I just would aim for not being stronger than crystal

[midnight folio]

well thats the plan, right

ive got a good understanding of how the characters work, its just about testing and re-testing on how they feel to play and what would be best

i dont really plan on going all in on this project atm anyway, i have a lot more than this to work on 😅

if i were primed and ready to go id be doing coding for this too

but for now, we should take this one step at a time

and for the people who want to see this complete, id love to discuss potential aspects of the characters and see what you guys manage to code w/ what we come up with

but obviously... i dont pay anyone here. if this sits and rots thats a-okay, ill probably come back to work on this fully when i have my next throne phase

but ill always be here to discuss and work on little things, just throw me an @

(i get inspired to work when i see progress being made anyway... 🥴 so if anyone manages to fully code a character ill probably provide art assets asap)

[midnight folio]

( iguess ill put this here too ) ^^

[rancid path]

That is adorable

I like to think they are spinning the revolver when tossing it up like that

[chilly sand]

round creature

i can find the mofos diameter and radius and they will be both be whole numbers

[midnight folio]

she takes pride in her shape

[chilly sand]

should be

[manic berry]

Wait I'm late but... that AMAZING mod was from YOU?

[slate geode]

yea

[manic berry]

You're too good at this

[midnight folio]

despite my lack of activity im still thinking about how to make statue feel fun while keeping the central gimmick of not being able to move in a traditional sense

being fair i only came up with a rads = teleport mechanic to prevent teleportation abuse, but maybe a cooldown would be better? im not sure

with a cooldown new issues begin to arise too, like fluidity of gameplay and such

maybe i should take a page from the recent edith mod for isaac? maybe statue could just hop around?? Idk!!

[midnight folio]

(by this i mean tping everywhere would be Slow and against the point of fast-paced bullet hell throne is known for)

[midnight folio]

statue IS heavily inspired by edith, guess it makes sense that this sort of balance is difficult given she was a scrapped character

anyways
In other news most of statue's a-skin sprites/anims are done

all she really needs are loadout icons, big and small portraits, and a campfire anim

but all her in-game anims are complete

i think before i tackle all that big stuff i'm going to try to complete the in-game sprites for the characters I'm happy with, and come up with spiffy new designs for the ones im unhappy with

namely bird, mouths, fungus, and shark

mouths and shark probably only need a little adjustment

their designs are fine, i just want to make their colors more appealing

bird i feel isnt Asshole-like enough. like, he needs to be a jerk. bird is supposed to give off Fancy Prick vibes

and fungus... well, i feel like i could lean more into the mushroomy side of it. make them look mystical n all that

in terms of actual code development i still need to iron out what i want the abilities for these characters to be specifically

whats most important to me is that they:

• feel fun
• feel vanilla
• work in multiplayer

feeling vanilla is probably the most important
the only character with some kind of "complex" mechanic or meter will be punk

yknow, rogue alt n all that. gotta have a meter

any other abilities should be diagetic and easy to pick up and understand

lowest priority is currently b-skins

i have a few ideas and designs already, but im not gonna get to spriting them until everything else is done (or at least, everything that requires some foresight)

heres the b-skins ive got

• bird : formal wear
• pearl : black pearl (thx daph)
• mouths : retainer (thx whawha)
• freezing : ice cube (thx whawha)
• fungus : ???
• robot alt : Erm....
• Neurons : Mad Scientist
• Shark : ???
• Unit : Rocket
• Nemesis : Vacation
• Punk - Old Days
• Corpse - Crucified
• Statue - Oxidized

the one for corpse is a joke i just think itd be funny to be playing as a floating crucified corpse

of course for any skins after these ones (c-skins, etc) id say its fair game and whatever people care to make ill include as little bonuses

everything ive said though hinges on if i am actually motivated enough to get this mod done! muahahhaa!!

oh! and i TOTALLY forgot to mention...

there is an alt for YV now. who is it? I dont remember if i actually showed her...
But you will have to wait for a formal introduction

Just know that she exists!!

i think thats everything

[thin pumice]

just a reminder for anyone who's reading this; Wasteland Kings is a different take based on Runner's characters!

[bold delta]

fungus' B skin could be a truffle

[manic berry]

White truffle or black truffle?

[chilly sand]

fungus b skin should be super mario themed

since plants b skin is sonic themed

[midnight folio]

thats a good point

super mushroom is too easy tho. maybe a different shroom

[lapis ridge]

shark B should be a hammerhead

[proper stratus]

Or a whale

Honestly sharks are so dope of a species that there are endless ideas for skins

[tacit sequoia]

Cant wait for bad bitch Nemesis

[midnight folio]

see you in like 10 years

[tacit sequoia]

Im pinning this in a phone calander for 10 years

If this discord is still up

You will hear from me

[worn terrace]

hello wake up

[midnight folio]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-griffin-there's-nothing-thank-you-son-family-guy-gif-9234881573407351237

[worn terrace]

GIVE IT TO MEEE

WHYYY

😭

[midnight folio]

its because its barely created 👍

i havent thought abt this project in a long while

[worn terrace]

too much for my poor heart to bear

[midnight folio]

idve liked it completed too but im too busy / not focused enough

maybe when my next nuclear throne phase hits ill get on it again

or maybe make something new with it as the base

[merry folio]

is this mod complete

[jolly saffron]

so are these brand new characters or resprites?

an since this is alternate throne is there gonna be new enemys or secret events or no

[midnight folio]

i think people may be a bit misguided since this thread got randomly revived

this project isnt necessarily "cancelled" but I haven't worked on it in over a year

so i want to say to anyone just discovering this thread to not get your hopes up

[midnight folio]

the original plan was to add a whole new set of characters that take the theming of the original cast and attempt to reverse their (part of) idea/gameplay style in a way that makes them interesting to play

for example, frog being a character that always moves being "replaced" with statue, a character who can't move traditionally

there wouldnt be any removal of characters idk why i used the word replaced but you get what i mean

and after that, if i was feeling up to it id've probably added an alternate route that can be accessed via the main one

with new areas n all that

[merry folio]

awesome concept

i love this mod

good thing it isnt canceled or anything

[midnight folio]

yeah, but the hiatus is indefinite

i'll probably start working on it again when im in my next throne phase

[merry folio]

hope still exists

[jolly saffron]

pls do that make it intresting

[jolly saffron]

so this aint gonna be work on till u feel nuclear blood in u

[midnight folio]

yeah basically

[jolly saffron]

darn

[worn terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-simpsons-homer-whistle-gif-5694935

[merry folio]

is there a like prototype of this mod

[jolly saffron]

facts

[midnight folio]

there is not.... i think someone did send a prototype of the statue character if you are interested in that

you may have to dig

[merry folio]

OOO

yes

ima start lookin

[midnight folio]

IN THE MEANTIME i guess i could share some things i think i havent shared yet

[merry folio]

AWESOME

it must be hard being so awesome

YE

is this it?

[midnight folio]

i think so

[merry folio]

sweet

[midnight folio]

i never really made an alternate character for Y.V. cause i felt like making an alternate character for him would be kinda strange considering he's more of a character for a different game, but eventually warmed up to the idea

this was the concept i came up with

[merry folio]

:o

tbh

thats a pretty cool concept

what was the alternate ability concept?

[midnight folio]

undecided, but something obviously focused on melee weapons

[merry folio]

i love melee weapons

[midnight folio]

simplest thing would just be pop pop but for melee swings

but it seems a bit niche

[merry folio]

what if instead

[midnight folio]

maybe the ability to swing all weapons like melee for an active? it wouldnt be an ideal choice but always having a melee weapon is p helpful

[merry folio]

it shot like a projectile?

Obviously you shouldn't always be able to shoot one

but like

kind of like bullet from etg

also the statue character is fun

[midnight folio]

ehhh seems kinda redundant

for a melee focused character i think itd be neat to lean into melee rather than just give her melee attacks more range

[merry folio]

hmmm

[midnight folio]

i think the weapon whipping sounds cool

[merry folio]

whatchu mean?

[midnight folio]

like this basically

giving her whats basically a pistol whip but with any weapon

[merry folio]

OHH

[midnight folio]

not a full-on melee option though, probably with a high cooldown to make it balanced

[merry folio]

yeah i understand

what about ultras?

y.v has a mansion

what she have?

[midnight folio]

thats the tough thing cause id need to hammer out all the passives and actives of the cast before i figure out the ultras

[merry folio]

true

i wouldn't mind helping with ideas and maybbe sprites

unless all sprites are already made

[midnight folio]

i think im solid on the sprites

this was the progress i had when i stopped workin on this thing

i wanna redo a couple but i think im happy w some of the stuff ive got

[merry folio]

is skeleton's alternate character's b skin being crucified?

[midnight folio]

lol yeah

corpse is the funny character

[merry folio]

lol

[midnight folio]

i wanted him to just be floating on the cross

[merry folio]

i wonder what corpse's abilities will be

also are the unlock methods for these characters different?

[midnight folio]

no clue, had a couple ideas but i couldnt figure out one i was satisfied with

[merry folio]

hmm

[midnight folio]

yep

[merry folio]

ooo

[midnight folio]

but id want to make the alt areas to go along w that

[merry folio]

oooooo

[midnight folio]

if we ever make it to a first release, all the characters would be there by default

[merry folio]

make sense

[midnight folio]

then later if/when areas get involved then id put some unlock conditions

[merry folio]

im guessing they'd just be alternate versions of the existing areas

[midnight folio]

yeah but a little more interesting

[merry folio]

would dessert be like underwater? theres already a oasis

[midnight folio]

the alts of 3 level areas would be 1 level areas

and vice versa

[merry folio]

ohhh

[merry folio]

so alternate sewers would be the first three levels?

[midnight folio]

i think youd be able to get to the first alt level through the desert

and itd start with the 1 level area

[merry folio]

o k

[midnight folio]

it'd go:
Reservoir (Alt Desert) ->
Ashen Town (Alt Sewers) ->
Landfill (Alt Scrapyard) ->
Factory (Alt Crystal Caves) ->
Subway (Alt Frozen City) ->
Courtyard (Alt Labs) ->
Catacombs (Alt Palace)

it's a little less of an opposite game and more of "what would be on the surface/below each main area?"

since all the transitional 1 level areas are underground it seems

[merry folio]

true that makes sense

[midnight folio]

each of the secret areas would have alts too but its a bit more undecided

[merry folio]

well the secret cursed crystal caves is just recolor with more pain-in-the-ass enemies

[midnight folio]

here i found this i dont remember if i shared it

the character select animations

[merry folio]

ooooo

mouth(i think thats that guys name) is just screaming when you select him

[midnight folio]

the big mouth shuts the other smaller mouths up

[merry folio]

oh ok

also since fish can roll, can bird fly?

not really an opposite

[midnight folio]

that was undecided

it mightve been a parry of some sort

[merry folio]

ohhh

thats cool

but

isn't that a worse crystal shield

[midnight folio]

i wanted to redesign bird and fungus too

[merry folio]

b fungus is so smug

[midnight folio]

you're quickly realizing this project is more ideas than it is in-depth planning

at least on the gameplay front

[merry folio]

lol

Surely once the ideas have been settled on things could start

[midnight folio]

well if you're so inclined you could always pitch some more ideas on that front

[merry folio]

I'd love to help!

[midnight folio]

my problem is that i really do want this to feel like a bunch of new vanilla-style characters

i want to have it feel new and fresh but still dead simple

[merry folio]

yea

[midnight folio]

the only character who would have any kind of different mechanic would be punk (alt rogue)

[merry folio]

oh yea

[midnight folio]

with that portal strike business n all that

[merry folio]

whos the idpd in the world?

[midnight folio]

idpd is the same

[merry folio]

so shes still followed by idpd?

or

idpd are on her side?

[midnight folio]

this isnt entirely an alternate universe, these concepts are to be applied to throne as its own addition

sooo for punk they'd be followed by the idpd yes

[merry folio]

oh ok

[midnight folio]

but for different reasons

[merry folio]

what about the actual nuclear throne

since the area its in different

is it like

toxic chair

[midnight folio]

undecided

[merry folio]

oh ok

[midnight folio]

in the most normal scenario catacombs would just lead to palace 3

[merry folio]

ah ok

[midnight folio]

cuz its like the palace catacombs

[merry folio]

that would be kinda odd tho

randomly going to palace

[midnight folio]

ehhh i dont think so

catacombs would be designed similarly to palace to invoke the palace feeling

[jolly saffron]

love ur sprites

[midnight folio]

thank you 💖

[merry folio]

same

[jolly saffron]

someone help me catch up

[merry folio]

Specially the heart (d.m?)

[merry folio]

ok so

we're going over ideas and concepts

[jolly saffron]

mmm

wat the concepts so far

[merry folio]

umm

[midnight folio]

areas, character abilities

[merry folio]

you can test out the statue character

here

[jolly saffron]

awesome

[merry folio]

also what if the nuclear throne just gets an alternate color palette

to fit with the palace's alt

[midnight folio]

found some roughs for the portraits

[merry folio]

man these are good

despite being roughs

there still pretty good

[midnight folio]

have you seen the pearl portrait

[merry folio]

yes

[midnight folio]

i was p damn proud of that one

[midnight folio]

took a while though

[merry folio]

it looks GREAT

very cute

[midnight folio]

personally i just want to keep the throne the same

it is the name of the game after all

[merry folio]

true

[midnight folio]

plus it seems like a lot of work to change the largest boss in the game

both graphically and mechanically

[merry folio]

maybe you dont need to change it mechanically

maybe just change some colors

e.g. making the green blue

example**

[jolly saffron]

will there be any new secret characters to unlock

[merry folio]

yes

statue

and corpse

the alts for frog and skeleton

[jolly saffron]

will the main ones be resprited or thee same

[merry folio]

every alt character has new abilities

[jolly saffron]

mmm

js curious

[midnight folio]

the idea for this mod is for it to be purely additions, no replacements of anything

[jolly saffron]

mm dope

[midnight folio]

ultimately my goal was to introduce a lot of fun vanilla-style characters that followed a fun theme of being basically conceptual opposites of the main cast

[merry folio]

like characters that look like they could be in the vanilla game

WAIT

[midnight folio]

the areas and such are just like. "Stretch Goals"

[merry folio]

YOU GUYS FORGOT A CHARACTER

[midnight folio]

yes robot

[merry folio]

no

[jolly saffron]

secret levels

secret events that come out of no were

new bosses

new enemys

new weapons

?

[jolly saffron]

any of these

[midnight folio]

only if i get loaded with freakin super powers and can do alt areas

ideally the alt areas with 3 levels will have new bosses

and obviously the alt areas would have new enemies

no new weapons i think the game already has enough of those

plus you can get more mods that add anything id be able to dream of

secret events would probably only be there for fun or to unlock the characters

[merry folio]

yea

[jolly saffron]

awesome sauce

[midnight folio]

annnd if i do manage alt areas secret areas would be part of that

the ONLY new weapons would be starting weapons and anything related to them

[jolly saffron]

k

[merry folio]

what about alternate ukulele

fish gets that weapon after looping

would that be the martini?

[midnight folio]

Its a GUITAR but yes itd probably be something stupid like a violin though hahaha

[merry folio]

mb

[midnight folio]

that would actually be kinda funny

a violin thats basically a bolt weapon

it fires the bow

a silly weapon fitting a silly character like bird

who is an aristocrat and a complete coward

[merry folio]

lol

[jolly saffron]

hope to see how this goes

[merry folio]

oh yea each character has alt personalities

[midnight folio]

yeah

im much more of a character designer than i am a game designer which is obvious

cuz this crap aint EVER getting done lmao

[merry folio]

lol

[midnight folio]

but i put a deep amount of care into each character's themes and personality

[merry folio]

and it is SO worth it

[merry folio]

im trying out the bird character

[merry folio]

also what if the heart character has the ability to charge up melee weapons

like you hold down the button

to do a stronger attack

[grim dune]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-kai-walking-menacing-arrive-gif-20747652

[grim dune]

@midnight folio

[merry folio]

awesome

[worn terrace]

sheds a tear

[jolly saffron]

Wat am I looking at

[midnight folio]

cuz and the guy next to him no longer exist....

these sprites are a little old

[merry folio]

whos golem being replaced by?

[midnight folio]

still a wip but maybe some kind of puppet character

[merry folio]

oh snap

thats awesome

what type of puppet are you talkin bout though?

marionette?

hand puppet?

s o c k p u p p e t

[thin pumice]

my my...

what a coincidence

[merry folio]

[jolly saffron]

any updates on this work

[viral dirge]

alt throne is dead 💔

[chilly sand]

thats what they want you to think

[jolly saffron]

damn

[midnight folio]

for your answer currently its looking a bit better than it was before in terms of motivation but tbh w the new update and upcoming fixes, im gonna hold off on continuing until things are settled again

theres a lot of stuff thats been put on the table but not a lot im entirely satisfied with

id like to rework some characters, designs and concepts

some characters are perfectly fine though

in honesty its a lot of stuff to tackle, i was considering making one character to upload to itch just to get something done and get my feet wet

unrelated to this project, i mean

who knows, maybe ill abandon the "alternate character" idea altogether! coming up with passives and actives is hard enough already

[near geyser]

you don't have to release them all at once
you can publish a mod with characters that you're satisfied with, and then maybe update in the future it if you feel like it

[midnight folio]

thats true

[near geyser]

also yeah I have a take on mouths with working code but I'm not sure if you need it

[midnight folio]

id still love to see it

[near geyser]

give me a sec and I can send it

alright it's overall much worse than I remembered it, but I'm still proud of the active ability

[near geyser]

i just played wasteland kings demo (the mod, not the game) and realized how their mouths are similar to mine lmao
anyway, i made this mod a really long time ago, so it's just an accident

[midnight folio]

oh sorry, i havent had the opportunity to look at your file yet

i will tomorrow

[jolly saffron]

Ur gonna break my heart

[midnight folio]

if i do that, this project won't be abandoned

itll just shift in scope

[jolly saffron]

Wym shift in scope

[midnight folio]

the idea wouldnt be about "alternate" characters, probably just a roster expansion with unique ideas

basically not strictly enforcing the original idea as much

[summer otter]

Missed opportunity to make a Mouths and Lips 👁️ 👄 👁️

[near geyser]

slay

[worn terrace]

🥺 we love you alternate throne

[midnight folio]

glad people still think abt this

the alt throne slogan is: "Eventually™ "

[mighty dock]

not one day passes when I don't about mouths

[daring frigate]

Okay so active is like Rebel's active and makes enemies act like Rebel allies or w.e. Works on any non-boss enemies

Also unlike rebel you can only infect one at a time, but the ultra b lets you infect up to three

Ultra A is uhhh

Throne Butt is any enemy you possess gets an attack/health boost

[daring gyro]

remotely detonate infected enemies with a spore explosion?