Varia Addons 10k for NTT v100

[hollow plinth]

Download the mod here:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/145126902074441729/1482125866871033966/VA_10K_-_Public_Beta_2.zip?ex=69b5d0c7&is=69b47f47&hm=d6783288ecef647692c3b200ce522a41720289408d5ba5232d576e074c180de3&

Mod weapons are documented here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CycUJz-hhJQ0cv8gjpe1oz8-8miaLKAMketiqVHnS8A/edit#gid=250027088

[marsh wren]

u should change the title of the forum so people know what it is

I will maybe play the playstation 6 varia soon™️

[hollow plinth]

Tbh i don’t really care enough i think

But i guess i’ll add a subnote

Test This If You Want (VA 10k)

[marsh wren]

@hollow plinth lok on pistol softlocked the game with our dear friend RavenFly 💔

im on 60fps btw in case that ends up being part of the problem

[hollow plinth]

Oh wtf i FIXED that a while ago

[marsh wren]

maybe im on an outdated build then

i think im on latest though

is there a good way to check

[hollow plinth]

No it’s just that this beta is sliightly out of date i think

[marsh wren]

afaik its the latest one that youve sent here/directed people to

[hollow plinth]

Yeah i forgot that i made a few changes that were in a more recent beta that hasn’t technically been pushed to anywhere except modded weeklies

https://dragonstrive.itch.io/varia-addons

[marsh wren]

is modded weeklies still actually even playable

[hollow plinth]

This should be up to date but if it’s not i’ll send it this evening

Yeah it should be

[marsh wren]

has it just been on the same modlist for like 8 months

[hollow plinth]

Idk what modlists are up tho

[marsh wren]

itch version says updated 2 days ago so its probably right

[hollow plinth]

Perfect

This version should have lok-rockets that work with ravenfly

The fix makes them actively hit airborne enemies, they’re the only weapon that does so as of current

[marsh wren]

i forgot is there a way to add new flares to the present chest pool yet or no

(id like to make trinket/meal chest flares)

[hollow plinth]

No but there will be soon so feel free to peep at the way flares are formatted and mimic that

Atm the flare chest just uses choose() between a regular and copper weapon chest, but feel free to modify that for testing if you need to

[hollow plinth]

I forgot to ask did the new beta fix the ravenfly issue?

[marsh wren]

Didn’t play it yet

[hollow plinth]

Well get to it then!!!!!
(Understandable take your time)

[stone tendon]

Omg these weapons look so cool man what the hell

[hollow plinth]

You shoulddddd…… test them out here, in v100, if you so choose

[marsh wren]

half of them are from #1231718564059414528 aswell

u can install both and have one million weapon

[hollow plinth]

The ones in the video are both varia weps but def play with defpack too defpack is schweet

Varia Addons 10k for NTT v100

[marsh wren]

i was gonna say your forum post title sucks earlier today but I forgot and now i dont need to

[hollow plinth]

Bold of you to assume that wouldn’t just make me make the form title even worse

[marsh wren]

i think the lok pistol spawns a little early

it should be like 3-5 instead of 2 methinks

unless u wanted it to be one of the weirdly early spawns like autocrossbow and triplemachinegun

[hollow plinth]

Really?

It always felt a bit undertuned for me, even spawning as early as it does

The damage and ammo efficiency is good but overall time to kill is high compared to you just… shooting an enemy with a crossbow bolt or whatever

[marsh wren]

its kinda comparable to grenade rifle but homing and you cant blow yourself up with it very easily

[hollow plinth]

Grenade rifle shoots instantly though, lok rockets force you to lock on which takes time and is pretty clunky, at least for me

Is locking on really not impacting the use of the weapon? The firerate is pretty slow too, especially after factoring locking on

[marsh wren]

i think where it is is like p much fine it just seemed slightly strong imo. its not like glaringly egregious or anything like that

not really considering u can lock onto multiple guys

maybe its cause I dont got triggs atm

being able to peek for like half a second to lock on then go behind a wall is pretty strong

[hollow plinth]

Interesting… i’ll take a second look and maybe nerf the time to lock or total reload time

Or just change the spawn area by 1-2, depending on how i feel

Are lok weps still giving you issues with ravenfly?

[marsh wren]

idk it didnt happen this scrapyards at least

mightve not shot one while it was flying though

[hollow plinth]

If you have a chance to test it out on either a raven or hunter it would be much appreciated

[marsh wren]

seems like it works fine

[hollow plinth]

Awesome, thank you!

[mystic grail]

does sinusaber have any meaningful advantage over jackhammer other than longer reach? i tried it a little bit, but at a glance it just seems really expensive and weak

bigsaw launcher is awesome btw

[hollow plinth]

Swing your cursor around as if you were swinging a sword and all secrets will be revealed to you…

[hollow plinth]

Also thank you! It’s probably overtuned lmao i nerfed it in the dev beta

[mystic grail]

ooh, i'll try that once i find another one

also hand axe seems crazy good, but i feel like i'm going to give myself wrist pain if i use it to its fullest when it swings so quickly and doesn't use ammo

unfortunately i can't think of a good solution for that since it has a charge attack and can't be automatic because of it

[mystic grail]

yeah i'm pretty sure i one shot the throne with some damage to spare lmao

[hollow plinth]

Yeah martial weapons (melees that look too good for the wasteland and have charge attacks) are really good cause they scale with your level in damage. They’re balanced for use and don’t ever overpower weapons you’d find otherwise at a given difficulty, but they kinda homogenize runs, so i made them a lot rarer

[hollow plinth]

You can use the axe swings for defense and the throw to kill, it’s a solid hybrid weapon

[mystic grail]

maybe i should make a mod that adds an autofire toggle for manual shots sometime

so you click your weapon every other frame while holding fire

[hollow plinth]

That would be neat i think

A nice accessibly feature

[mystic grail]

bonesaw launcher seems to be doing fps-based damage (this is on 120 fps, it took about 4 times as long to kill on 30 fps i think)
also not sure if this mimic is meant to do this, but i might as well put it here just in case it's not

[hollow plinth]

Oh yeah it probably spawns blood explosions every frame when it should scale

I’ll check that

Also yeah the mimics do that

Idk why it lags so much though

[mystic grail]

could be because i'm on 120 fps in this clip

and not using gcfix

[hollow plinth]

Did you set fps to 120 but not current time scale?

[mystic grail]

idk i just changed it in settings in-game

i'm on ntt_development if it makes a difference

OH, i only just realized the mimic is spawning unfriendly flares. i didn't notice because i avoided it from pure luck

that's awesome

[hollow plinth]

Odd

But yeah let me know if it lags in 60 fps or while you’re playing normally

If it does i’ll try and optimize it

Also i’ll look into the bonesaw thing that sounds odd

[mystic grail]

the bonesaw thing or the unfriendly flares?

i didn't actually test if the flares are unfriendly, i just saw that they look different and spawn explosions

so i assumed they are

[hollow plinth]

Unfriendly flares/flare chest minic

They are unfriendly yeah, i just don’t want them to lag

[marsh wren]

thank you airdrop i didnt know it was there

I thought shocked skin was a lomuts mutation whats it doing here

[mystic grail]

discord is dumb and only giving me audio

[marsh wren]

he hates the flame traps soooo much

it might go from really mediocre to triple platinum with varia on it might be kinda crazy

rocket casings is here too. what happened

[hollow plinth]

It changed hands, long story short varia has mutations now. Remind me tonight and i’ll send the most recent version, which has changes to mutations and weapon spawning

[hollow plinth]

That’s SO funny actually

S+++ trinket

[marsh wren]

are these not part of lomuts anymore or are do they both have different iterations of them now

[hollow plinth]

Basically, gepsi and i got to talking and gepsi decided to change some lomuts stuff, she didn’t like some of her muts and it conveniently happened to be the ones i programmed so i took them back for varia

[marsh wren]

makes sense

[hollow plinth]

I realized that i can do a ton more if i make mutations specifically for varia

So i’m doing that now

If you can wait 30-40 mins for me to get home

I can send the most recent beta as I’d rather you test that

[marsh wren]

i was probably gonna be done for now after finishing this run. I might play more later tonite

[hollow plinth]

Ok gotcha

I’ll send it when i get home

The most recent beta re-tiers a TON of vanilla and varia weapons cause i realized the way vanilla weapons spawn goes against varia design goals

It’s a huge change so i need testing

[hollow plinth]

@mystic grail @marsh wren
Biggest changes in this version

• A ton of varia and vanilla weps have been re-tierd, mostly moving a lot of weaker weapons down.
• A new mutation, field technician, that boosts burst and charge weps specifically
• A new mutation, pressure wave, which makes explosives nullify projectiles
• Laser pointer rework, try it again it's a lot cooler now
• Some other stuff i probably forgot about

[marsh wren]

I will probably play this later tonight if I'm not busy with something else

[hollow plinth]

huge!

[mystic grail]

awesome, i will probably also play this later

making a silly weapon rn

[hollow plinth]

Based!

[marsh wren]

its (almost) time for super varia gaming

[hollow plinth]

Right when im about to go to bed!!!!

Crazy… i will read feedback tomorrow…..

[marsh wren]

ejected shells for things like the snubnose might be faster on 60fps it looks faster than what would be intentional I think

ok

upon loading into psewers

the martial chest did spawn

[mystic grail]

it looks like the spectral cats were damaging you whenever they shot, but i'm not sure

and that was right after looping (and probably getting ultra) so that checks out

[marsh wren]

thank you snubnose with speedloader for havign just enough range and reload speed to kill them in time

the plan was to target them with the lok pistol but it didnt really work out that way

[marsh wren]

im not sure if I get the laser pointer mutation or not. does the drone decide to fire based off how much energy ammo youve spent?

are ultra weapons meant to be in copper chests? I just found urev in one

the damage output on the bigbrainsaw is kinda crazy

one saw kills (face) big dog in less than a second

its gotta use more ammo or something its like too much ithink

[hollow plinth]

bro gave away that he didn't download the new beta.....

[hollow plinth]

i removed that trace in the most recent version, and also fixed the chest issue (here)

[hollow plinth]

it looks like you got zapped by reflex arc's lightning fx, which is odd, i thought i made it respect team, but i'll check again

[hollow plinth]

yeah, the way it works in the most recent ver is that firign energy weapons charges it then swapping off makes it fire

[hollow plinth]

i made it charge so it's less spammable with reload boosts and u gotta use field technician if u wana boost it, i may nerf it further still

[hollow plinth]

Also yeah copper chests spawn when you play well (full HP high ammo), and give a high tier weapon, or a martial/vorpal at 20% chance

[marsh wren]

I thought I did 💔

next time I'll redownload it anyway in case I didn't somehow

[hollow plinth]

The delusions are getting to him

Ya feedback on the most recent beta would be very helpful, because I really need testing on the weapon spawns rework

[hollow plinth]

i forgot i made the bonesaw do this wtf

i'm deranged

[mystic grail]

yeah it just shreds through your hp in 2 frames

lmao

[hollow plinth]

i kinda like that

instead of making it safer i'm just gonna buff it's power lmao

[mystic grail]

should probably fix it hitting every frame regardless of fps though

[hollow plinth]

yeah i fixed that one

[mystic grail]

unless you wanna make it have hp-based pierce or something so it always has the same damage potential

nice

[hollow plinth]

it's cause the blood explos were hitting every frame due to how i was resetting iframes

[marsh wren]

errors happening every few seconds after dying. I was playing as ck

[marsh wren]

I forgot to say earlier the normal smartsaw was also just kind of playing the game for me. It was preloop though so I'm not sure how it'd perform in loop. I think it might need to drop a bit later

rapier was also a bit crazy

it kinda just tore through everything without stress/triggs/face

[hollow plinth]

What da hell… I’ll look into it

Also yeah i can adjust both those weapons, though rapier always felt kinds fine to me martials are always gonna be solid by design, but i may tweak it’s damage

Was it the charge or the normal attack that stood out to you?

[hollow plinth]

looks like this is an issue with airdrop flares, i'll fix that

[distant forum]

that self-aiming pistol with the lock on looks so cool

[hollow plinth]

Thank you!

It’s hopelessly over designed and i love it lol

[mystic grail]

yeah, so it turns out i forgot to define a team for spectral cats so now we know how this happened

[mystic grail]

hoagie is insane LMAO

just found it in a run for the first time

i'm not sure if the max attack speed or max range version is more broken

[hollow plinth]

It proooobably needs a nerf lol

But at the same time its so funny

[mystic grail]

perhaps you could add some kind of super hoagie with unnerfed stats but costs some type of resource to use

whether it's ammo or something else

[hollow plinth]

Ideally i’d rather the stats be strongest when it’s un eaten and it gets faster but weaker as you eat it

Maybe i’ll nerf how much extra attack speed you get so it isn’t as dominant defensively

[hollow plinth]

New beta for those who want to try piercing gaze/tippy toes/heavy heart rework

[chrome citrus]

Heavy heart is terrifying with defpack caus of the disc weapons

[hollow plinth]

this makes me happy to hear

[mystic grail]

oh that's gonna go crazy with some of my weapons

i'll give it a try in a bit

i had a feeling this would happen lol

[hollow plinth]

seems to be putting in good work

is anything out of order here?

[mystic grail]

it won't stop firing but i'm not sure if that's supposed to be the case

[hollow plinth]

that is odd, it should eventually run out of shots

[mystic grail]

maybe it just has a lot of them

[hollow plinth]

also i really appriciate the hoagie tippers

typeless weapons should get 7 shots

that's what happenes with melee generally

[mystic grail]

oh ok it just conveniently stopped right when i paused lol

[hollow plinth]

ohhhhh awesome

[mystic grail]

i assumed it was infinite because it was lasting way longer than everything else

it looks like it shot more than 7 times though, let me go back and check

[hollow plinth]

it must just have a slow reload speed

oh wait i lied

it's 14 shots for normal melee i forgot i buffed it

[mystic grail]

14 shots?

[hollow plinth]

yeah

[mystic grail]

ah i see

ohh right, i gave the catchable boomerangs a really high reload time since they're just a "reloaded or not reloaded" kind of deal

so that's what's making it last so long

[hollow plinth]

that makes sense

[mystic grail]

i'm scared

[hollow plinth]

working as intended!

you can cancel the firing if you pick up the weapon

[mystic grail]

i didn't know it was gonna do that lmao

but good to know

i got this error that continued until i picked up the eekhammer

[hollow plinth]

ahh i can fix that easily

[mystic grail]

also this heavy heart is very loud, i don't think this will feel pleasant over the course of a full run tbh

is there a way its shots could have reduced volume?

[hollow plinth]

like, the weapon shots or the sounds of the weapons getting ready to fire?

if it's the latter, no, but the former, yes

[mystic grail]

i dunno i just hear a lot of chaos

i can't comprehend it

[hollow plinth]

i unfortunately can't really catch weapon sounds that have already been fired

so idk if there's much i can do

[mystic grail]

unfortunate

so, based on my first impressions with reworked heavy heart:
it seems very broken for firepower, like it just absolutely annihilates everything that exists
but the main downside is the game can just say "you know what, die" and send a million explosives your way
though i think that might not be enough of a downside when you can just get boiling veins

i'm guessing this is an intentional design choice and that the numbers are simply overtuned though

like wigglercola said, you might've underestimated how many weapons are spawning especially post-loop

i had to see what this looks like

[hollow plinth]

Yes to both of these statements. I overtuned the numbers like crazy because i thought it would suck and also because i wanted people to take it to test it lol, i can like, cut the number of shots in half, would that be sufficient you think?

[mystic grail]

i think that would be good, yeah

[hollow plinth]

Also on one hand, this is SO fucking funny, but on the other, i should proooobably disable the effect when you’re in crib

Also i just noticed cuz got pushed off the couch LMAO

[mystic grail]

not even cuz, the couch got pushed away from cuz

lmao

[hollow plinth]

Also how do the other varia mutations feel? I see you’ve been taking them with some weapons

[mystic grail]

keep the effect, but make it only activate on the top 5 most expensive weapons and point them at the tv

[hollow plinth]

Hmmm….. tempting… but i’m also lazy…..

[mystic grail]

nah just joking lol

but go for it if you wanna

[mystic grail]

i didn't use them that much, i think tippy toes felt good and buffed impact wrists seemed good but i didn't get far enough to tell if it's overtuned or not

[hollow plinth]

That’s a good start!

I’m happy with the designs for all of them so now i’m just aiming to balance numbers

I think laser pointer, pressure wave, and tippy toes are my favorite

[mystic grail]

i still haven't properly tried laser pointer yet

pressure wave too

[hollow plinth]

Pressure wave fucking rocks

[mystic grail]

oh yeah that's gonna go crazy with doomerang

[hollow plinth]

I had a run where my super bazooka was my defensive weapon and that was a rush like nothing before

[hollow plinth]

Also if u wana make sure ur weps work with varia and lomuts check this doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jp1gfA1LF4_3SyGsycXeKQI1nmvGKuBuaTpJnYz8fcE/edit?tab=t.0

[mystic grail]

i'll get that all sorted when i'm done with ori, will keep in mind

[hollow plinth]

For sure for sure

[marsh wren]

you might want to just cap how many weapons can be firing at once. pretty much the only cases where you have this many drop at the exact same time are ones where you wouldn't really want the effect happening anyway

[hollow plinth]

That feels like a quitter solution tbh

I’d rather just tune down the shots than make it select random weapons, it’s random enough

[mystic grail]

i don't agree with this way of looking at things

the game infinitely scales, sometimes you might need to make compromises to keep things balanced and that's better than just removing it outright

although i'll admit, that solution might lead to some campy strats if you allow weapons to just wait for the rest to finish firing

[hollow plinth]

I’m apprehensive about it because A.) it’ll lead to bad game feel situations where the weapon you don’t want to fire fires and the one you want to fire doesn’t, and B.) it’ll make the mutation work worse when it’s doing what it’s supposed to (causing more weapon drops)

Also we are in no way even close to the point of “it’s too overpowered even at minimum strength,” the numbers are beyond overturned rn and can just be decreased

[mystic grail]

tbh i didn't see it that way when i was using it

it felt very random, like i wasn't paying attention to "what weapon i want to fire or not"

cause you can't predict that stuff at all anyway

[mystic grail]

i mean ofc i still think you should try nerfing it, but it's good to have backup plans if that doesn't work out

[hollow plinth]

Also in terms of infinite scaling, loop may scale but so does enemy power and number, so it evens out. Also I genuinely do not care about scaling past like, L3

[mystic grail]

even just pre-loop to l1 is a drastic spike in the number of weapon drops, and that cannot be understated

so i can see it being very difficult to keep it in check like l1+ while it still being fun pre-loop

i would still personally code some kind of failsafe for l3+ runs because it's probably not a good idea to make the game continuously murder itself with 1 fps and horribly loud sounds, balance-wise or not

i'd imagine that would be pretty annoying for those who do like looping

[hollow plinth]

I think i’m fine if heavy heart is more loop oriented

[mystic grail]

then i think it's fine

aside from the lag and audio issues

[mystic grail]

also to clarify, i just mean some sort of limit to ensure that it's not just getting worse and worse until it becomes unbearable

[hollow plinth]

Since it’s original effect of more weapon drops is what makes it work pre loop

[mystic grail]

even if that limit is very very high

[hollow plinth]

I’ll cut the numbers in half for now and if past a certain point, it gets unbearable, i’ll consider adding a cap

But it’ll only be for stuff out of my zone of care, ie past like, loop 3. It won’t be used as a balance factor before then

[mystic grail]

i mean i think it inevitably will after a certain point because looping

i get that you don't care about l3+ balancing, but the game could just straight up become unplayable and the player is forced to restart

maybe it's just me but that seems a little mean, idk

[hollow plinth]

It may be but i’m very strict about making varia me-oriented. I’ll obviously accommodate for late loop if it’s not hard, but i won’t lie that it’s at the absolute back of my mind otherwise