#Varia Addons 10k for NTT v100

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marsh wren
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u should change the title of the forum so people know what it is

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I will maybe play the playstation 6 varia soon™️

hollow plinth
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But i guess i’ll add a subnote

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Test This If You Want (VA 10k)

marsh wren
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im on 60fps btw in case that ends up being part of the problem

hollow plinth
marsh wren
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maybe im on an outdated build then

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i think im on latest though

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is there a good way to check

hollow plinth
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No it’s just that this beta is sliightly out of date i think

marsh wren
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afaik its the latest one that youve sent here/directed people to

hollow plinth
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Yeah i forgot that i made a few changes that were in a more recent beta that hasn’t technically been pushed to anywhere except modded weeklies

marsh wren
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is modded weeklies still actually even playable

hollow plinth
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This should be up to date but if it’s not i’ll send it this evening

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Yeah it should be

marsh wren
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has it just been on the same modlist for like 8 months

hollow plinth
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Idk what modlists are up tho

marsh wren
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itch version says updated 2 days ago so its probably right

hollow plinth
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Perfect

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This version should have lok-rockets that work with ravenfly

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The fix makes them actively hit airborne enemies, they’re the only weapon that does so as of current

marsh wren
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i forgot is there a way to add new flares to the present chest pool yet or no

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(id like to make trinket/meal chest flares)

hollow plinth
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Atm the flare chest just uses choose() between a regular and copper weapon chest, but feel free to modify that for testing if you need to

hollow plinth
marsh wren
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Didn’t play it yet

hollow plinth
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Well get to it then!!!!!
(Understandable take your time)

stone tendon
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marsh wren
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half of them are from #1231718564059414528 aswell

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u can install both and have one million weapon

hollow plinth
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The ones in the video are both varia weps but def play with defpack too defpack is schweet

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Varia Addons 10k for NTT v100

marsh wren
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i was gonna say your forum post title sucks earlier today but I forgot and now i dont need to

hollow plinth
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Bold of you to assume that wouldn’t just make me make the form title even worse

marsh wren
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i think the lok pistol spawns a little early

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it should be like 3-5 instead of 2 methinks

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unless u wanted it to be one of the weirdly early spawns like autocrossbow and triplemachinegun

hollow plinth
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Really?

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It always felt a bit undertuned for me, even spawning as early as it does

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The damage and ammo efficiency is good but overall time to kill is high compared to you just… shooting an enemy with a crossbow bolt or whatever

marsh wren
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its kinda comparable to grenade rifle but homing and you cant blow yourself up with it very easily

hollow plinth
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Grenade rifle shoots instantly though, lok rockets force you to lock on which takes time and is pretty clunky, at least for me

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Is locking on really not impacting the use of the weapon? The firerate is pretty slow too, especially after factoring locking on

marsh wren
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i think where it is is like p much fine it just seemed slightly strong imo. its not like glaringly egregious or anything like that

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not really considering u can lock onto multiple guys

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maybe its cause I dont got triggs atm

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being able to peek for like half a second to lock on then go behind a wall is pretty strong

hollow plinth
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Interesting… i’ll take a second look and maybe nerf the time to lock or total reload time

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Or just change the spawn area by 1-2, depending on how i feel

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Are lok weps still giving you issues with ravenfly?

marsh wren
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idk it didnt happen this scrapyards at least

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mightve not shot one while it was flying though

hollow plinth
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If you have a chance to test it out on either a raven or hunter it would be much appreciated

marsh wren
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seems like it works fine

hollow plinth
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Awesome, thank you!

mystic grail
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does sinusaber have any meaningful advantage over jackhammer other than longer reach? i tried it a little bit, but at a glance it just seems really expensive and weak

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bigsaw launcher is awesome btw

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mystic grail
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also hand axe seems crazy good, but i feel like i'm going to give myself wrist pain if i use it to its fullest when it swings so quickly and doesn't use ammo

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unfortunately i can't think of a good solution for that since it has a charge attack and can't be automatic because of it

mystic grail
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mystic grail
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maybe i should make a mod that adds an autofire toggle for manual shots sometime

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so you click your weapon every other frame while holding fire

hollow plinth
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That would be neat i think

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A nice accessibly feature

mystic grail
hollow plinth
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Oh yeah it probably spawns blood explosions every frame when it should scale

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I’ll check that

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Also yeah the mimics do that

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Idk why it lags so much though

mystic grail
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could be because i'm on 120 fps in this clip

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and not using gcfix

hollow plinth
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Did you set fps to 120 but not current time scale?

mystic grail
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idk i just changed it in settings in-game

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i'm on ntt_development if it makes a difference

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OH, i only just realized the mimic is spawning unfriendly flares. i didn't notice because i avoided it from pure luck

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that's awesome

hollow plinth
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Odd

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But yeah let me know if it lags in 60 fps or while you’re playing normally

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If it does i’ll try and optimize it

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Also i’ll look into the bonesaw thing that sounds odd

mystic grail
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i didn't actually test if the flares are unfriendly, i just saw that they look different and spawn explosions

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so i assumed they are

hollow plinth
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Unfriendly flares/flare chest minic

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They are unfriendly yeah, i just don’t want them to lag

marsh wren
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I thought shocked skin was a lomuts mutation whats it doing here

mystic grail
marsh wren
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it might go from really mediocre to triple platinum with varia on it might be kinda crazy

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rocket casings is here too. what happened

hollow plinth
hollow plinth
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S+++ trinket

marsh wren
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are these not part of lomuts anymore or are do they both have different iterations of them now

hollow plinth
marsh wren
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makes sense

hollow plinth
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I realized that i can do a ton more if i make mutations specifically for varia

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So i’m doing that now

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If you can wait 30-40 mins for me to get home

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I can send the most recent beta as I’d rather you test that

marsh wren
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i was probably gonna be done for now after finishing this run. I might play more later tonite

hollow plinth
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Ok gotcha

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I’ll send it when i get home

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The most recent beta re-tiers a TON of vanilla and varia weapons cause i realized the way vanilla weapons spawn goes against varia design goals

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It’s a huge change so i need testing

hollow plinth
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@mystic grail @marsh wren
Biggest changes in this version

  • A ton of varia and vanilla weps have been re-tierd, mostly moving a lot of weaker weapons down.
  • A new mutation, field technician, that boosts burst and charge weps specifically
  • A new mutation, pressure wave, which makes explosives nullify projectiles
  • Laser pointer rework, try it again it's a lot cooler now
  • Some other stuff i probably forgot about
marsh wren
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I will probably play this later tonight if I'm not busy with something else

hollow plinth
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huge!

mystic grail
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making a silly weapon rn

hollow plinth
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Based!

marsh wren
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its (almost) time for super varia gaming

hollow plinth
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Right when im about to go to bed!!!!

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Crazy… i will read feedback tomorrow…..

marsh wren
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ejected shells for things like the snubnose might be faster on 60fps it looks faster than what would be intentional I think

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upon loading into psewers

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the martial chest did spawn

mystic grail
# marsh wren ok

it looks like the spectral cats were damaging you whenever they shot, but i'm not sure

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and that was right after looping (and probably getting ultra) so that checks out

marsh wren
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the plan was to target them with the lok pistol but it didnt really work out that way

marsh wren
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im not sure if I get the laser pointer mutation or not. does the drone decide to fire based off how much energy ammo youve spent?

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are ultra weapons meant to be in copper chests? I just found urev in one

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the damage output on the bigbrainsaw is kinda crazy

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one saw kills (face) big dog in less than a second

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its gotta use more ammo or something its like too much ithink

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# marsh wren ok

it looks like you got zapped by reflex arc's lightning fx, which is odd, i thought i made it respect team, but i'll check again

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marsh wren
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next time I'll redownload it anyway in case I didn't somehow

hollow plinth
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The delusions are getting to him

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Ya feedback on the most recent beta would be very helpful, because I really need testing on the weapon spawns rework

hollow plinth
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i'm deranged

mystic grail
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lmao

hollow plinth
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i kinda like that

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instead of making it safer i'm just gonna buff it's power lmao

mystic grail
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should probably fix it hitting every frame regardless of fps though

hollow plinth
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yeah i fixed that one

mystic grail
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unless you wanna make it have hp-based pierce or something so it always has the same damage potential

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nice

hollow plinth
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it's cause the blood explos were hitting every frame due to how i was resetting iframes

marsh wren
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errors happening every few seconds after dying. I was playing as ck

marsh wren
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I forgot to say earlier the normal smartsaw was also just kind of playing the game for me. It was preloop though so I'm not sure how it'd perform in loop. I think it might need to drop a bit later

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rapier was also a bit crazy

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it kinda just tore through everything without stress/triggs/face

hollow plinth
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Also yeah i can adjust both those weapons, though rapier always felt kinds fine to me martials are always gonna be solid by design, but i may tweak it’s damage

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Was it the charge or the normal attack that stood out to you?

hollow plinth
distant forum
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that self-aiming pistol with the lock on looks so cool

hollow plinth
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Thank you!

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It’s hopelessly over designed and i love it lol

mystic grail
# marsh wren ok

yeah, so it turns out i forgot to define a team for spectral cats so now we know how this happenedkrogIggle

mystic grail
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hoagie is insane LMAO

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just found it in a run for the first time

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i'm not sure if the max attack speed or max range version is more broken

hollow plinth
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It proooobably needs a nerf lol

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But at the same time its so funny

mystic grail
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perhaps you could add some kind of super hoagie with unnerfed stats but costs some type of resource to use

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whether it's ammo or something else

hollow plinth
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Ideally i’d rather the stats be strongest when it’s un eaten and it gets faster but weaker as you eat it

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Maybe i’ll nerf how much extra attack speed you get so it isn’t as dominant defensively

hollow plinth
chrome citrus
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Heavy heart is terrifying with defpack caus of the disc weapons

hollow plinth
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this makes me happy to hear

mystic grail
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oh that's gonna go crazy with some of my weapons

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i'll give it a try in a bit

hollow plinth
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seems to be putting in good work

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is anything out of order here?

mystic grail
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it won't stop firing but i'm not sure if that's supposed to be the case

hollow plinth
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that is odd, it should eventually run out of shots

mystic grail
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maybe it just has a lot of them

hollow plinth
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also i really appriciate the hoagie tippers

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typeless weapons should get 7 shots

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that's what happenes with melee generally

mystic grail
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oh ok it just conveniently stopped right when i paused lol

hollow plinth
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ohhhhh awesome

mystic grail
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i assumed it was infinite because it was lasting way longer than everything else

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it looks like it shot more than 7 times though, let me go back and check

hollow plinth
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it must just have a slow reload speed

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oh wait i lied

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it's 14 shots for normal melee i forgot i buffed it

mystic grail
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14 shots?

hollow plinth
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yeah

mystic grail
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ah i see

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ohh right, i gave the catchable boomerangs a really high reload time since they're just a "reloaded or not reloaded" kind of deal

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so that's what's making it last so long

hollow plinth
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that makes sense

mystic grail
hollow plinth
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working as intended!

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you can cancel the firing if you pick up the weapon

mystic grail
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i didn't know it was gonna do that lmao

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but good to know

hollow plinth
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ahh i can fix that easily

mystic grail
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also this heavy heart is very loud, i don't think this will feel pleasant over the course of a full run tbh

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is there a way its shots could have reduced volume?

hollow plinth
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like, the weapon shots or the sounds of the weapons getting ready to fire?

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if it's the latter, no, but the former, yes

mystic grail
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i dunno i just hear a lot of chaos

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i can't comprehend it

hollow plinth
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i unfortunately can't really catch weapon sounds that have already been fired

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so idk if there's much i can do

mystic grail
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unfortunate

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so, based on my first impressions with reworked heavy heart:
it seems very broken for firepower, like it just absolutely annihilates everything that exists
but the main downside is the game can just say "you know what, die" and send a million explosives your way
though i think that might not be enough of a downside when you can just get boiling veins

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i'm guessing this is an intentional design choice and that the numbers are simply overtuned though

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like wigglercola said, you might've underestimated how many weapons are spawning especially post-loop

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i had to see what this looks like

hollow plinth
mystic grail
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i think that would be good, yeah

hollow plinth
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Also i just noticed cuz got pushed off the couch LMAO

mystic grail
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not even cuz, the couch got pushed away from cuz

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lmao

hollow plinth
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Also how do the other varia mutations feel? I see you’ve been taking them with some weapons

mystic grail
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keep the effect, but make it only activate on the top 5 most expensive weapons and point them at the tv

hollow plinth
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Hmmm….. tempting… but i’m also lazy…..

mystic grail
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nah just joking lol

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but go for it if you wanna

mystic grail
hollow plinth
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That’s a good start!

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I’m happy with the designs for all of them so now i’m just aiming to balance numbers

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I think laser pointer, pressure wave, and tippy toes are my favorite

mystic grail
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i still haven't properly tried laser pointer yet

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pressure wave too

hollow plinth
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Pressure wave fucking rocks

mystic grail
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oh yeah that's gonna go crazy with doomerang

hollow plinth
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I had a run where my super bazooka was my defensive weapon and that was a rush like nothing before

hollow plinth
# mystic grail oh yeah that's gonna go crazy with doomerang

Also if u wana make sure ur weps work with varia and lomuts check this doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jp1gfA1LF4_3SyGsycXeKQI1nmvGKuBuaTpJnYz8fcE/edit?tab=t.0

mystic grail
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i'll get that all sorted when i'm done with ori, will keep in mind

hollow plinth
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For sure for sure

marsh wren
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you might want to just cap how many weapons can be firing at once. pretty much the only cases where you have this many drop at the exact same time are ones where you wouldn't really want the effect happening anyway

hollow plinth
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That feels like a quitter solution tbh

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I’d rather just tune down the shots than make it select random weapons, it’s random enough

mystic grail
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the game infinitely scales, sometimes you might need to make compromises to keep things balanced and that's better than just removing it outright

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although i'll admit, that solution might lead to some campy strats if you allow weapons to just wait for the rest to finish firing

hollow plinth
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I’m apprehensive about it because A.) it’ll lead to bad game feel situations where the weapon you don’t want to fire fires and the one you want to fire doesn’t, and B.) it’ll make the mutation work worse when it’s doing what it’s supposed to (causing more weapon drops)

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Also we are in no way even close to the point of “it’s too overpowered even at minimum strength,” the numbers are beyond overturned rn and can just be decreased

mystic grail
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tbh i didn't see it that way when i was using it

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it felt very random, like i wasn't paying attention to "what weapon i want to fire or not"

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cause you can't predict that stuff at all anyway

mystic grail
hollow plinth
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Also in terms of infinite scaling, loop may scale but so does enemy power and number, so it evens out. Also I genuinely do not care about scaling past like, L3

mystic grail
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even just pre-loop to l1 is a drastic spike in the number of weapon drops, and that cannot be understated

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so i can see it being very difficult to keep it in check like l1+ while it still being fun pre-loop

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i would still personally code some kind of failsafe for l3+ runs because it's probably not a good idea to make the game continuously murder itself with 1 fps and horribly loud sounds, balance-wise or not

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i'd imagine that would be pretty annoying for those who do like looping

hollow plinth
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I think i’m fine if heavy heart is more loop oriented

mystic grail
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aside from the lag and audio issues

mystic grail
hollow plinth
mystic grail
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even if that limit is very very high

hollow plinth
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But it’ll only be for stuff out of my zone of care, ie past like, loop 3. It won’t be used as a balance factor before then

mystic grail
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i mean i think it inevitably will after a certain point because looping

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i get that you don't care about l3+ balancing, but the game could just straight up become unplayable and the player is forced to restart

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maybe it's just me but that seems a little mean, idk

hollow plinth
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It may be but i’m very strict about making varia me-oriented. I’ll obviously accommodate for late loop if it’s not hard, but i won’t lie that it’s at the absolute back of my mind otherwise