broke
#why is the eco broken
granite dew
devout relic
omg eco is broken(for the 128379123th time)
granite dew
damn no way
slate sparrow
i predict the future
slate sparrow
The economist part two…
elder hound
Fixing the eco is easy, just reset the entire network and watch the world burn
languid forum
makaroni
slate sparrow
for convienience
@long finch nah too many mythics being found every day with not enough raw
even qquests buff wont fix it
ionic bloom
how many % of players are 105+
slate sparrow
idk
ionic bloom
those ppl will not be affected by missions buff
unless they go out of their way to level for raw
slate sparrow
Thats also not really true
frail bronze
doesnt matter %, theres A LOT
frail bronze
make stealing work infinite times on a mob, raw generation goes 📈
ionic bloom
need stats on how many players are actually going to do missions bcz they are new to game
long finch
make stealing work infinite times on a mob, raw generation goes 📈
yes pls
frail bronze
need stats on how many players are actually going to do missions bcz they are n...
if you skip all quests and only grind xp on your first playthrough youre playing the game wrong
ionic bloom
before we decide we just want to inject more emeralds into the market lets figure out why theres fallout in the first place
slate sparrow
unironically hundreds of stx of raw needs to be generated a day
to keep up with the mythic finds
slate sparrow
before we decide we just want to inject more emeralds into the market lets figur...
its pretty simple imo
more mythics being found than there is money being found
ionic bloom
go everyone list whats wrong and why
slate sparrow
thats all the problems
frail bronze
reduce mythic finds, delete lq, nerf discoverer. PROBLEM SOLVED!
ionic bloom
is there money being lost
slate sparrow
Ye
ionic bloom
is money leaving circulation a problem
ionic bloom
ok rerolls and tm tax
slate sparrow
The #1 problem is too many mythic finds
so even with good raw generation
its not enough to enforce it
to back up the mythics
if that make sense
slate sparrow
no rr cost is also a bad idea
long finch
there will prolly be a lot more godly items
slate sparrow
but i think it could be reduced
ionic bloom
do we count players quitting/ players holding on to mythics
as mythics leaving circulation
long finch
the thing is
frail bronze
bro all rich people fuckin quit
slate sparrow
and it takes LE out
frail bronze
thats what happened
ionic bloom
ok ppl quit with raw on them ok
slate sparrow
like a ton of raw
long finch
any1 who reads this or is somewhat informed wldnt spend on mythics rn with the dying economy and wld want to hold on to their raw
ionic bloom
do they quit with mythics on them more or
slate sparrow
quite a few people with like
100+ stx
yeah they do but like
new mythics get found pretty fast
Like
frail bronze
and a lot of people hoarded raw and have several pages and spend none of it on anything
slate sparrow
a day or two of new mythics is going to be multiple hundreds of stx
ionic bloom
i raised a question a while ago
ionic bloom
and im just going to share this even though it doesnt advantage me
ionic bloom
why do you do if you are quitting and want to preserve your value
slate sparrow
wat
do you mean
what do you do
if you're asking that
liquidate all your mythics
sell everything except the things you know you will use when coming back
ionic bloom
someone wants to not have their emeralds or mythics depreciate
for example they have a cata
slate sparrow
unironically dupes help the economy
a whole lot
and it has been a very long time since one (hence why the eco is so terrible)
last one was mid may this year
long finch
last year
frail bronze
last year
lets hope something happens this time
i feel like there should be a different kind of endgame grinding to the game
ionic bloom
ok right now too much supply too little demand and too little circulation
frail bronze
because rn all we have is lootrunning and professions
ionic bloom
maybe make mythics more roll dependant
frail bronze
and professions dont generate emeralds
ionic bloom
so not every single mythics has same value
frail bronze
we need something more focused on emeralds
ionic bloom
make it so its hard to find a good mythic
frail bronze
it already is with this boot rate dude
ionic bloom
demand would go up
slate sparrow
Thats not a problem
demand is already incredibly high for actually good roll mythics
but for more average/bad mythics (90% of mythics) it has fell off a cliff
ionic bloom
so w/e bad mythics sell for cheap not end of the world
ionic bloom
why is it tho
frail bronze
i dont think theres a single bad mythic
frail bronze
none of them are actually bad
ionic bloom
well rolls arent dependent enough then
ionic bloom
if no bad mythics = rolls are always too good
ionic bloom
go on
slate sparrow
We have
our average roll mythics
and our bad roll mythics
and our good roll mythics
long finch
tbh add more em reward from guilds
slate sparrow
lets just say combined they are 90% of mythics
and then you have godly mythics
which make up a very small portion of mythics
godly mythics always retain a high demand
more or less
while the other 90% dont
any shifts in the economy still affect both though
perfect disco only sold for 100 stx
if you went back to late 2020 it would have no problem going for 250
ionic bloom
but theres no intrinsic problem of the number changing
frail bronze
give disco lq then. more roll dependant!!
ionic bloom
i u can take that 100 and do more
with it
if back then u had 250 but things were more expensive and u could buy less
slate sparrow
Yeah
ionic bloom
it doesnt make it "better"
slate sparrow
thats exactly the problem
everything is so cheap now
its not healthy for an economy to always be going downward
I can 99.999% assure you that in one year things will be far cheaper than they are now
ionic bloom
whats wrong with stuff being cheap and new players being able to immediately participate
frail bronze
I can 99.999% assure you that in one year things will be far cheaper than they a...
if nothing is done
ionic bloom
if they are expensive it will just stonewall a part of the community from participating
slate sparrow
whats wrong with stuff being cheap and new players being able to immediately par...
Nothing but it is unhealthy for the economy to constantly be falling
ionic bloom
taking out even more raw
frail bronze
i got into late game when mythics were still really expensive
so i went to find some myself
worked out nicely
no stonewall there
slate sparrow
Even if mythics were more expensive
ionic bloom
^ but your buying power is less
slate sparrow
Thats not true
ionic bloom
you can but less with the same amout of emeralds you got from selling
frail bronze
then you put in some work
frail bronze
everything doesnt need to be easy
ionic bloom
the mythics he found back then were also worth more
so its balanced then
slate sparrow
Exactly so thats why it was good
ionic bloom
so its balanced now
frail bronze
you shouldnt be handed mythics left and right as soon as you get to endgame
slate sparrow
No its not
ionic bloom
you get less but mythics also cost less
slate sparrow
If you found a mythic lets say
a year ago
and sold it a year ago
you suddenly have a very strong buying power
frail bronze
the mythics he found back then were also worth more
like 4x what they are now lol except inferno that one sold for just 32 le
slate sparrow
over the same person finding the same mythic today
ionic bloom
theres no difference between getting 5stx and then buying what you want with 5stx and finding 1 stx and buying what you want with 1 stx
ionic bloom
unless you can point out that its not balanced anymore
slate sparrow
today
ionic bloom
ok go on
slate sparrow
ok
I sell it for 5 stx
I hoard my money for a while
and another player finds the exact same mythic (hypothetically) and sells it for 1 stack
ok
but since I found it before him
I have 5x more money
ionic bloom
how long is this transition
slate sparrow
It depends
ionic bloom
in this example how long did that take
slate sparrow
^
ionic bloom
which is why a hypithetical time is ok
frail bronze
this is how it works
ionic bloom
just come up with one
ionic bloom
well just come up with any time cause the time matters
slate sparrow
and you may think
oh wow thats not too bad
4 stx in 6 months right?
but heres where there is a problem
frail bronze
guard is currently half the price it was a few months ago
slate sparrow
lets say i nolife and loot like 80k chests in the span of 3 months ok
in 2019
ok
frail bronze
you can get double high yellow today for less than 5
ionic bloom
the result is that that old player can now buy more
slate sparrow
OK
frail bronze
Yes.
ionic bloom
then they also pay new players who find mythics more if they bid more
frail bronze
the thing is most old players who are able to bid more fuckin quit
ionic bloom
i mean like this problem has something to do with the past that we cant change
do we fuck with the economy now
slate sparrow
guy 2 lootruns 100k chests in 2022 and sells all his same identical finds for 80 stx
frail bronze
we absolutely do
ionic bloom
to try it to get back to the past
frail bronze
we need more raw
slate sparrow
do you understand why this is a problem
slate sparrow
I give up
ionic bloom
the economy changed
now new players can buy mythics with lower entry cost
its like a buff to missions
by doing missions alone they can get 1/4 the funds
to buy a bad mythic to mess around with
frail bronze
stop making everything about new players
ionic bloom
maybe thats what the devs want
frail bronze
there are us others too
slate sparrow
it is hardly easier to be a new player now than before
because your same finds are worth the same relative amount of money
ionic bloom
its not like you can buy less, the only thing that matters if what you find now will get you
slate sparrow
its just the people who have hoarded in the past have soooo much power over everyone else
slate sparrow
it absolutely does hurt you
slate sparrow
lets say this ok
ionic bloom
they have too much money cause they are from the past
slate sparrow
the 450 stack guy and the 100 stack guy do the same amount of work
ionic bloom
is that what ur saying
slate sparrow
YES
slate sparrow
this ruins the economy for other people
frail bronze
to be able to buy more
the people whose networth consist mainly of mythics are fucked, it does hurt them, and they can buy LESS (people like me for example)
ionic bloom
ok
slate sparrow
when they do they inject money back in
normally never!
frail bronze
exactly
ionic bloom
:/
frail bronze
do you get it
ionic bloom
well that is a problem
slate sparrow
not because I did bad deals or anything like that
ionic bloom
force them to inject money back into economy
slate sparrow
just because the economy has died
ionic bloom
instead of hoarde
frail bronze
within less than a year my nw has gone from 120 to 50 or so
slate sparrow
so
me
I have went from 250 to 100
while guy who has hoarded raw since the dark ages has felt 0 effect from this
slate sparrow
and now is immensely rich
ionic bloom
just force ppl to spend raw back into economy >:)
or make mythics actually dependant not on amout but on roll
because the amout can always increase
frail bronze
dont do that
we need more raw not less mythics
roll dependant fucks everyone who wants a chance at lootrunning
slate sparrow
if we make things more roll dependant it just lowers people standards not the prices
lol
frail bronze
i just wanna get the mythics i want and be done with the economy
at least prices going down dont affect gameplay
spring topaz
Selling Lament (willing to go lower)
scenic swift
sudden crystal
eco broke