Hollow Knight

[pale maple]

guh

https://youtu.be/9OUmg-oa4Wo

have yall seen this

💀

i love Leanpath

[tulip flume]

can't believe hollow knight copied lotus knight smh

[tired echo]

"Fight" "Dangerous" "Deadly" "WISHLIST NOW"

[left osprey]

mfw when no silksong

[pale maple]

it'll never happen

only way to play it is to lucid dream

[left osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vAPhAGZMZ8&list=PLL0CQjrcN8D3Ois5lzSQPF-U6g5gVO694&index=6

[short gate]

Now, what ripoff is this

[left osprey]

Giant enemy spider + amogus drip

[short gate]

amogus

[chilly igloo]

silksong silksong silksong silksong

[short gate]

i did it
everything went so smoothly until the last part

[tulip flume]

Wonder what silksong's path of pain would be like

[mighty dragon]

Probably more devious

[tulip flume]

I'd imagine since hornet has acrobatic movements, it'll be more painful

[thorny belfry]

Hornet PoP is just waiting for silksong

[chilly igloo]

so true

[kind cobalt]

this is false

[mossy kettle]

damn

[brittle glade]

just in case you need proof I did beat all bosses on radiant

[brittle glade]

I didn't have any problems with P4AB besides eating a few dumb hits at PV, markoth with floor is not that hard and failed champion is false knight but faster and hits for 2 masks per hit, but still predictable

P3AB however is an issue

farthest I got was hornet 2, and that was after MANY failed GPZ kills with 3 lifeblood hearts unlocked

[kind cobalt]

is it worth it to do all bindings for all other pantheons before doing p5 or something

[mossy kettle]

i could probably do every pantheon with all bindings but there is always one singular boss

one boss that stops me

[brittle glade]

lifeblood hearts help

[mossy kettle]

like in p2 it's oblobbles

[brittle glade]

but can definitely beat absrad without them

[kind cobalt]

just use screaming wraiths..?

or whatever that spell is

mixed em up

[brittle glade]

abyss shriek

[mossy kettle]

still pain

[brittle glade]

I did oblobbles radiant, trick is to realize you're playing a bullet hell game

and adjust accordingly

P4AB, again, isn't brutal compared to P3AB or P5AB, you just need consistency and the ability to laugh in the face of 2HKOs from a bunch of bosses

once you can do that, P4AB is easy since all you need to worry about is execution of these fights

@mossy kettle still want me to stream P5? probably not now though since getting late

[mossy kettle]

nah

[mossy kettle]

shade soul is better for them imo because it doublehits a lot of the time and you don't need to be right under them

[mossy kettle]

anyway that took like 3 times

[kind cobalt]

gg

[mossy kettle]

anyway

[tribal plume]

gg who's next

[mossy kettle]

well I might start attempting ascended markoth, he's the person keeping me from unlocking radiance

[tribal plume]

as you're running nailmaster's glory, should hopefully go well

[brittle glade]

go for binding clears so you can have lifeblood masks for p5

worth the suffering

[mossy kettle]

i currently have 3

[vestal crag]

running NMG unironically

[tribal plume]

why not

[mossy kettle]

nmg is good for sly

[brittle glade]

I can't recall my charm setup off the top of my head, it's a hybrid though

unbreakable strength (yes, I did spend 15k geo on that and it was worth to the last coin), long nail, shaman stone and one other charm idr

but it was another 3-coster

wait my comp was whatever the fast dream nail charm is, NMG, MoP, US and SS

fast dream nail is insanely dumb on staggers because it refills 2 spells worth of soul

[mossy kettle]

spot the odd one out

[mossy kettle]

OH MY GOD FINALLY

that has to have been like

50+ attempts

and yeah i put on dreamshield

[sage shoal]

radiant markoth is absolutely abominable

took me like 7 hours

i remember using nailmasters glory and timing greatslashes, and a bunch of soul charms to spam spells when he phase changes

[mossy kettle]

yeah markoth is pain

he is the only boss (other than absrad i haven't unlocked her yet because of, you guessed it, markoth blocking me) that i haven't done at least ascended

[short gate]

No Zote ?

[brittle glade]

markoth radiant took me 30 mins-1 hour, watcher knights on the other hand

[tribal plume]

aint no way

[left osprey]

Silksong, just a week away! Silksong is in a week! I am so happy about this information

https://tenor.com/view/scout-goes-insane-gif-25382090

[mossy kettle]

nice

5h41m

[kind cobalt]

gg

[mossy kettle]

finally unlocked absrad

[mossy kettle]

P5 COMPLETED

FINALLY

[vestal crag]

ayy nice

[vestal crag]

looking for someone to test a hollow knight mod

😳

[mossy kettle]

so true

[vestal crag]

lol

those descriptions are just random

[mossy kettle]

hm some walls aren't randomized

[vestal crag]

which ones?

there are two in crossroads

[mossy kettle]

there's the one in crossroads with the two aspids behind it and the grub

[vestal crag]

yeah i need to fix those

[mossy kettle]

i think there was one more but i can't remember which one

might have been the one outside of greenpath stag

[vestal crag]

interesting that one should definitely be in

im sure i tested it

[mossy kettle]

lmao i just got a wall with a like 7 word name

i think i literally unlocked this place from hitting that wall

nice

[mossy kettle]

insane hitbox

[mossy kettle]

useless

this waterways wall also isn't randomized

it's in the room with the entrance to flukemarm

[vestal crag]

is that the godhome wall

i didnt add those b/c lazy

[mossy kettle]

midwife wall also not ramdomized

this one to deepnest from fungal also isnt

[vestal crag]

yeah

those two aren't

midwife wall because i forgot and that one because it has annoying implications for logic

run into any other issues?

[mossy kettle]

nope

lmao isma's grove just had a palace totem and a pop totem

[vestal crag]

unfortunate to hear

[mossy kettle]

oh my god descending dark was in crossroads stag all along but i just never bothered because i got a dreamer early on

[vestal crag]

trolled

[mossy kettle]

arrow

_>

this collo wall to pale lurker also isnt random

[vestal crag]

added to the list, ty

[vestal crag]

fixed ,ty

[mossy kettle]

stuff i'm posting now cuz discord wasnt working for the past 2 hours

[left osprey]

What are these randoed

That sounds funny

[mossy kettle]

Breakable wall randomizer

[vestal crag]

whoop, first one fixed

second one is intended, white palace walls aren't in b/c lazy

[mossy kettle]

found the other unrandomized crossroads wall

[vestal crag]

crossroads_03 and crossroads_08 iirc

i've added them into the latest update

[mossy kettle]

woah thats a long name

this fungal core wall isnt rando

[vestal crag]

lol my brain was like afk when i was doing this

[vestal crag]

will consider adding, it just has annoying implications for rando logic

you going for TE?

[mossy kettle]

i'm doing a new one

[vestal crag]

ah

[mossy kettle]

i got TE on the other one already

this time with split things

[vestal crag]

ah

[mossy kettle]

also this happens to the city toll bench room if you break the wall on the other side but then obviously can't go through

might apply to other rooms too but this is the only one ive seen it on

[vestal crag]

ah. yeah that also applies to the colo room

[mossy kettle]

my face when

[vestal crag]

damn

nice rolls

new version if you fancy starting another runthrough @mossy kettle

[mossy kettle]

i got some good luck on charm cost rolls i would say

[vestal crag]

damn

that is so lucky

u modified cost options?

[mossy kettle]

nope

just default

[vestal crag]

damn

release candidate 1 of the mod coming your way soon

RC1

let me know if you run into issues

[vestal crag]

RC2

[kind cobalt]

how difficult is p5

is it worth doing before doing mods

[mossy kettle]

Yes

[tribal plume]

after you do p4, you'll be pleasantly surprised how far you can get in p5, provided none of the bosses unique to it get you

[brittle glade]

sisters of battle isn't hard, flying nosk is nosk but airborne, NKG you very likely have fought before

[mossy kettle]

on my first p5 run i actualyl died to flying nosk

i got confused with the hitboxes

[tribal plume]

yeah i've had friends who've died to nosk and sisters of battle on their first run

[brittle glade]

the only hard parts of p5 are markoth, gpz and absrad

[mossy kettle]

the first time i made it past markoth in p5 i proceeded to nohit gpz

now i can't do it radiant

same thing happened with pure vessel, i spent ages trying to defeat it on ascended, then did it nohit in the pantheon when i went to attempt it again

[tribal plume]

yeah which is why, as i said, many people get really far on first run

[brittle glade]

and then you have all bindings runs

H E L L

team cherry is a giant troll for putting gpz in p3

on the other hand... first try P4AB is a giant

[mossy kettle]

i could do p2 AB but

oblobbles

augh

[brittle glade]

I beat oblobbles radiant and they aren't that hard

[mossy kettle]

i spent so many tries trying to do oblobbles on radiant i resorted to using dreamshield

[brittle glade]

you can take your time with them, none of the fights are dps races

[mossy kettle]

god that is something i never want to do again

[brittle glade]

if you think rad oblobbles were bad, I raise to you rad watchers

they took longer than radiant markoth

longer than radiant absrad

longer than radiant gpz who I beat first try

[mossy kettle]

i've actually got to the last watcher knight on radiant

took like 5 tries

then i stopped because i wanted to attempt absrad again

[brittle glade]

my hall of gods is fully complete at this point

@mossy kettle

[mossy kettle]

yeah i've seen that

[vestal crag]

nice

[mossy kettle]

when i broke this wall it wasnt randomized but now it's apparently also randomized?

[vestal crag]

fixed

@mossy kettle would you like the latest version

[mossy kettle]

rc 3?

[vestal crag]

we're way past that now

[mossy kettle]

has much changed?

[vestal crag]

yeah

dive floors are in the mod now

bunch of other fixes

[mossy kettle]

oh dive floors

thats cool

[vestal crag]

@mossy kettle

finalish version

[pearl whale]

oh pog

[short gate]

@vestal crag this yours ?
https://youtu.be/PyHCo0kvHcc

[mossy kettle]

I watched that stream live, and apparently it was made by someone else, although it is almost identical to socks

[pearl whale]

SKUWWY

[devout tapir]

why can my labtop run minecraft with no problem but can't run hollow knight without crashing every once in a while

[short gate]

Can't you allocate more ram to it ?

[left osprey]

One of my friends’ computer runs the game fine but goes to like 2spf when a cutscene plays 💀

[mossy kettle]

https://twitter.com/griffinmatta/status/1656106351184199680?t=80_u-ZnxWcIW2VGLAhu0XQ&s=19

Matthew Griffin (@griffinmatta)

Hey gang, just a quick update about Silksong.

We had planned to release in the 1st half of 2023, but development is still continuing. We're excited by how the game is shaping up, and it's gotten quite big, so we want to take the time to make the game as good as we can.

Expect…

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[tribal plume]

it really was too good to be true

[tulip flume]

silk song isnt real

[mossy kettle]

Silk song

[short gate]

solk sing

[left osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-news-gif-25941373

[chilly igloo]

wake up babe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24CbP6nP4Fc

new mossbag video just dropped

[mossy kettle]

wake up babe first hollow knight thread message in like 2.5 months

also yey mossbag

[left osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-grimm-spider-get-grimmed-gif-26005759

[mossy kettle]

[Music]

[short gate]

Grimm !
Grimm crab !
Grimm crab, ha! ha! ha ha ha! ha! ha!
Ha ha ha, grimm crab !

[jovial anvil]

baba goon dah lay

what character makes that sound

[mossy kettle]

Grimace

[vestal crag]

did you guys see silksong release date got announced

[mossy kettle]

Yeah it's so exciting

[left osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rule59-rule-59-silksong-broly-gif-23736501

[short gate]

if y'all metroidvania enjoyers want, TurboKid just released today on steam

[short gate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWNz_OSyPvs&ab_channel=fireb0rn
sending it here as well

[mossy kettle]

hollow knight thread revival what the hell

[chilly igloo]

a map by "clouser"

@mental saddle ??

[mental saddle]

whats up its me

[chilly igloo]

you made hollow knight in minecraft

[mental saddle]

yes sir i did

[pearl whale]

hollow knight minecraft? Now THAT'S amazing!

[left osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-silksong-hornet-hornet-hollow-knight-gif-12592818971260559539

[mossy kettle]

💀

[chilly igloo]

i’m a hollow knight: silksong wait veteran

[west scarab]

chat should I buy hollow knight

[mossy kettle]

Yes

[west scarab]

all I needed to hear

thank you kind stranger

[chilly igloo]

it’s so cheap

might as well

[vestal crag]

skong 2025

[short gate]

News

3s of gameplay

Peak

[mossy kettle]

we got the thing

there was no news it was just old footage

but a release year

this is the most actual news we've had in years

[tulip flume]

that was so funny they showed silksong for like 3 seconds max 💀

[mossy kettle]

3 seconds of news is better than 0 seconds of news

[tulip flume]

https://cdn.jacher.io/46fb91aad42c39e2.gif

[left osprey]

You can tell they were trying to not draw attention to it too much since any news immediately derails the entire direct lmao

Now the real question, which is coming out first, fruma or silksong

[tulip flume]

both get delayed on december

[short gate]

https://youtu.be/-ov5oaqoEr8?si=UBkEBr8OMNUmXVuR

[tulip flume]

https://steamdb.info/sub/342712/history/

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[left osprey]

Im gonna explode if silksong shadow drops two days after deltarune

[tulip flume]

That would be funny

I just beat chapter 3 and 4 of deltarune, absolute peak

I still need to do snowgrave and weird route though

[short gate]

Silksong next month ?

[brittle glade]

knowing team cherry they'll shadowdrop it some point in late Q3 or Q4

[short gate]

We just getting a silksong demo at Gamescom next month

[west scarab]

one day

[short gate]

no, two days

silksong news in

two days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XGeJwsUP9c

[mossy kettle]

Wait what

It's real

No way

[short gate]

i told y'all
silksong news for gamescom

[tulip flume]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

[left osprey]

WHATEHATWAHTW

[brittle glade]

mark your calendars

september 4th is the release date

[short gate]

no way, 2 weeks until silksong !

[short gate]

Now i need to replay HK to get ready for SilkSong

[floral python]

LESS THAN 1 DAY OMGOMGOMGOMG I CAN'T WAIT

[south turret]

@half saffron silksong

[half saffron]

silkso

[floral python]

I CAN'T WAIT THIS LONG, AAAAAAA

[short gate]

less than 30 minutes

[devout tapir]

silksong annihilated steam

[short gate]

silksong crashed steam ! lessgo !

[mossy kettle]

it's still down

[short gate]

i managed to fucking buy it, lets go !

it only took me 15m of repetitive spam clicking to get the payment processing to work

[short gate]

So, what are y'all thoughts on Silksong so far
For those who managed to buy and play it

[tulip flume]

I dont like hornet’s down attack

I cant tell if the attack starts before or after the weapon is drawn, im so used to pogo attacking its hard to get used to

other then that its pretty good

[short gate]

True, pogo-ing is hard now
But the down attack changes later on depending on your equipped stuff

[mossy kettle]

So good

I love it

It's certainly far harder then hollow knight

But im pretty good so it's a welcome challenge

[short gate]

It do be harder than HK, mainly because despite having 5 masks, you die in 3 hits to 90% of the bosses

[mossy kettle]

And cause you can only heal 3 at once it's a lot risker to use your abilities

[short gate]

Yeah

But the boss aren't that hard per se
They are slow and have few attacks patterns

They just hit hard and a single mistake can immediately annihilate you

[mossy kettle]

Yeah definitely

I've beaten almost everu boss in 1/2 Attempts so far

With an exception of one guy I died like 20 times to

[short gate]

me with all of them because im full of skill issues

[short gate]

they added fucking gambling to silksong

[carmine axle]

i found the deepnest of silksong

and i hate it

the guy that was guarding the entrance took me 10 attempts

and its all because of the STUPID runback

[tulip flume]

im gonna assume the needolin is the equivalent of the dream nail

[carmine axle]

OML

I HATED THIS BOSS

[tulip flume]

who ever designed savage beastfly needs to be locked up

[carmine axle]

chapel of the beast?

i agree -_-

i gave up cuz i wanted to get other things doen

[tulip flume]

yeah and there's a second one which is 10x worse

i never thought they would make a worse boss than markoth how did this shi get past 7 years of development

[carmine axle]

aw HAIL NO

i was struggling with that stupid 2nd skarrgard bossfight

the one that also has the flying enemy

that one took me so many crafting materials and sht

ok @tulip flume im confused on where to go now

i just got chapel of the wanderer

ive finished bellhart quest

and my map doesnt have a lot of openings on it

[tulip flume]

did u find the blasted steps

[carmine axle]

?!?!?!?

wtf

no

[tulip flume]

that leads to the citadel

[carmine axle]

oh what

is it like

[tulip flume]

its like to the far left of shelled woods

[carmine axle]

that area to the left of shellwood

i went up there

and to the edge of pharloom

there was nothing there?!?!?!??!?!?!?

it was just hornet monologuing

[tulip flume]

there's a place to go up

[carmine axle]

oh nice

ill go check

yea cuz i saw that the citael symbol

is directly above shellwood

so i was just jumping around there for a good hour

[tulip flume]

you can also gamble there

[carmine axle]

there hasnt really been a boss yet thats impressed me as much as hollow knight

like there hasnt been a mantis lords moment for me yet

[tulip flume]

i think fourth chorus and lace r pretty cool, but yea

[carmine axle]

yep i think i found the area

[carmine axle]

oh yea lace was cool

fourth chorus felt like herobrine from take back the night

"lets destroy the floor guys"

also i just realized that shellwood is the name of the material that zote made his weapon out of 💀

so canonically, zote is from pharloom fr fr

[tulip flume]

im at the citadel currently, one of the bosses there actually did feel unique

zote secret final boss fr

[carmine axle]

IVE REACHED BLASTED STEPS

[tulip flume]

nice

dude there's a fkn whole subreddit for savage beastfly LMAO

[carmine axle]

LMAO

oh boy

i hate it here already

these really are some blasted steps huh

UHH OH

UHHHHHHH

BOSS TIME

[tulip flume]

the giant red bugs?

i was worried they would nonstop spam their ricochet horns, thank god they dont

[carmine axle]

i wish it were that easy

[carmine axle]

ok so

im genuinely baffled

as to how ppl beat this

in a day

[tulip flume]

wait until you reach the end of the steps

[carmine axle]

i have

and i beat ||last judge, it was pretty fun actually||

[tulip flume]

nice

[tulip flume]

oh shi i found the charm that increases heal speed, if i bind that with multibinder my survivability will greatly improve

but i have to sack off my posion pouch and i dont wanna

[carmine axle]

i have no idea what that means

im just using the uh bell charm thats basically baldur shell but never breaks

[tulip flume]

ive been exploring a lot

i really hope there's a charm somewhere that increases nail range

[carmine axle]

YES

and combined with crest of the wanderer preferably

[tulip flume]

defiently

[carmine axle]

crest of wanderer + steady ankles + increased range

thats gonna be my dream build

its gonna be quick slash + steady body + mark of pride equivilant

[tulip flume]

it was my favorite build in the other game, 2 charms that increase nail range and 1 charm for attack speed, and either unbreak strength or quick focus

[carmine axle]

bro i swear if theres a pantheon gamemode in this 😭

im actually cooked

i got merked by like half the bosses so far

[carmine axle]

2 CHARMS FOR RANGE?!

MoP and longnail is crazy

mine was just strength mop qs sb and nmg

i feel like a fraud rn though from how bad i am at silksong

[tulip flume]

yeah its crazy how difficult silksong is compared to hk

every enemy feels so aggressive and have several moves that can take 2 hp

[carmine axle]

dude like i hate those stunlocking enemies

that can just lock you in a grip and take 2 health

i still cant counter them, but they're EVERYWHERE bro

[tulip flume]

ikr its insane

like the lil knight in the other game gets hit by several moves liek that and it only takes 1 hp, like dude can get hit by a massive hammer like the false knight and only take 1 dmg but this random ass stickbug from silksong takes your whole hp bar

the game genuinely feels like its on permanent radiant diff sometimes

dawg im so fried on steel soul 💀

[carmine axle]

i think the in lore explanation is that the knight is basically a freaking unit compared to hornet

like their power doesnt even compare

[carmine axle]

bro im gonna be disconnecting and reconnecting so many times on steel soul

[tulip flume]

that is true i kinda forgot

knight is born from god and void, hornet is only born from god

[carmine axle]

also lifeblood exists in silksong!

and it has NOTHING to do with lifeblood creature

😭

[carmine axle]

not even god

like half god

the other half is just spider

[tulip flume]

ohh true

[carmine axle]

false knight in silksongs gonna 1 shot hornet, then find her at the bench, take her money, and then rip her head off with how this is going

literally this tiny bug in act 2 takes 2 health

and ive gotten NO nail upgrades

[tulip flume]

oh what

after you save bellhart there's a dude in one of the bell houses that upgrades your nail once

[carmine axle]

like idk where to upgrade my nail

[carmine axle]

!?!?!?!??!?!??!

wHATTT

welp

[tulip flume]

lmfao

[carmine axle]

im basically stuck in the underworks

and the nearest stag is all the way across the stupid blasted steps

im cooked

[tulip flume]

good luck

[tulip flume]

they might add it as dlc maybe or there's something else already in the base game

im more interested if they'll add the grimm troupe again, since they go to kingdom to kingdom doing their rituals

[carmine axle]

but pharloom isnt a dead kingdom

[tulip flume]

ohhhh right

im so dumb i forgot

[carmine axle]

WAIT

NOOOO

IM STUCK IN CITADEL

THE ELEVATORS BROKEN

EEEEE

ill try ||choral chambers|| since it seems to connect to the gate

also bell beast is just massive moss charger 🥀

[tulip flume]

thats what i thought too lol

[carmine axle]

also have you noticed the dies irae theme everywhere

it keeps popping up

like during the bells for benches

bells anywhere

[tulip flume]

yea

it might just be an easter egg idk

[mossy kettle]

Fr

Both of them are hell

I died more on those than 95% of other bosses

[tulip flume]

ikr

litterally harder than NKG

[short gate]

I hate Bilewater with a burning passion

A single bench
10 rooms away from the boss room
If you fall in the water you get maggots and gradually lose silk unless you build enough silk to heal, which allows you to get rid of said maggots, without actually healing

There was another bench at some point
||But its just a troll that forces you to plunge in the maggot water||

[mossy kettle]

fr

and the map is really hard to get

[short gate]

That's because you need the ||double jump|| ability

[mossy kettle]

I know you need an extra ability

i just don't have whatever the ability is

so I've gone through the whole region about 4 times without a map

[short gate]

Where in the game are you ?

[mossy kettle]

a<ct 2

[short gate]

Did you beat the dancers ?

[mossy kettle]

yes

[short gate]

And got the ability in the place under the citadel ?

[mossy kettle]

||cogwork core||? I've fully explored that place yea

[short gate]

Been to the nudist part of the game ?

[mossy kettle]

yep

[short gate]

Then you have all you need to get that last ability

[mossy kettle]

I just cannot for the life of me find that last key

[short gate]

In ||the slab||?
Me neither

[mossy kettle]

yeah

[short gate]

But The ability isn't in the slab
It's past it

[mossy kettle]

oh that place

forgot that exists

i just left instantly

[short gate]

Gotta pull your inner Madeline and play Celeste in Silksong

The only downside from getting the ability is that if you're too used to the gliding ability, you get messed up

[carmine axle]

||THEY ADDED CLANKAS TO SILKSONG||

[short gate]

just found the last bell station !

now i just need to find a map of the area

[short gate]

i found it

[mossy kettle]

is it just well hidden?

[short gate]

its no where near the slabs

its in a hidden area that i would have never came across if it wasnt for the wish in the citadel

it requires you to have all movement abilities tho

[mossy kettle]

what's the region's acronym

[short gate]

||putrid sewers|| or something similar
you likely not have the region unlocked since you didnt have the ||double jump|| ability

[mossy kettle]

i have that

[short gate]

not bilewater

the thing above it

[short gate]

||putrified ducts|| thats the name

[carmine axle]

guys

lore time

so the bug at the top of the citadel is a higher being correct?

in that case, do yall think that widow is a servant of such being

since she did bring up hornet's origins being of "weaver and WYRM"

meaning that she knows of the pale king

and how should she know of the king unless she is either a weaver from hallownest or the higher being told her

[short gate]

Afaik it's referred to as a god

Just listen to what Hornet and Lace talk about upon entering the citadel

[carmine axle]

yes but i think hornet describes it as being of "higher caste"

which was the same way that the pale king was described

and im just speculating here

but i think it might be the cause of bellhart's curse

all the silk

so it might have control over silk, which is described as akin to soul

or at least similar

[short gate]

pretty sure she reffers to it as being the same level as radiance on a godly level

[carmine axle]

idk where i heard it, i have it in my journal

[carmine axle]

yea so its a higher being

like radiance, pale king, unn, white lady, etc.

[short gate]

idk if pale king and white lady are considered on the same level as radiance power wise

[carmine axle]

they are higher beings though

as pale king's remaining power alone

brought the godseekers to hallownest

but now that raises the question of if the dream realm is involved in silksong

since most higher beings we've seen in the world of hollow knight have ties to dreams

and theres the fact that the needolin can provide insight into minds

which is a function similar to the dream nail

which also implies that silk is almost like essence????

or at least it has some property related to dream

and i still havent figured out the lore surrounding song

[tulip flume]

i really loved hornet's response to lace after she says its hopeless to challenge a god, "even gods can fall" we know of one another person that felled one

[short gate]

yeah, this implies one of the 3 endings where we kill radiance is canon

[carmine axle]

are you referring to radiance

oh

ok

[carmine axle]

isnt it 3

yea

i feel like its gonna be the dream no more ending

[short gate]

but likely not the godseekers endings because how tf would hornet knows

[carmine axle]

and it ended off on a cliffhanger

with hornet facing THK

what, were they gonna rob her with big bro right there

[tulip flume]

maybe THK said something to her and she was able to fit the pieces?

[short gate]

anyway, eep time

[carmine axle]

infection disappearing would be a pretty good indicator imo

but how would she even know about the radiance

[tulip flume]

she probably at least knows about its influence

[carmine axle]

tk would have no diffed lace fr fr

[tulip flume]

THK is holding the heart of the infection in place

it wouldnt be farfetched to assume there's something commanding it all

im still wondering when the mushroom man is gonna pull up

maybe he's the higher being at the citadel

[carmine axle]

Mr. Mushroom is there to signify the passing of an age

I don't think he'll be in skong

He's similar to Grimm troupe almost

[tulip flume]

damn

[carmine axle]

what i DO find interesting though is plasmium

its basically lifeblood but in silksong

in hollow knight this stuff was found in coccoons

and if consumed too much

it would convert your vital fluids into lifeblood

in silksong though, you inject it into yourself

i wonder if it's going to be expanded upon

moreover, ARE WE GONNA SEE MY BOY LIFEBLOOD CREATURE

THIS GUY HAS BEEN MAKING ME GO INSANE THEORIZING

[tulip flume]

i never understood that guy tbh, im more interested on how similar lifeblood and the infection are

both give you strength in exchange for some life altering change in you, little seedlings, vines, butteflies/moths

[short gate]

wrong

there is the steam achievement for it

[carmine axle]

Is that for hk or silksong

[short gate]

Guess by the % of player having the achievements

[carmine axle]

Probably silksong ._.

But then why is Mr mushroom there

What age has passed

[short gate]

Idk, find how to trigger it and fulfill its wish or something

[mossy kettle]

that's what higher beings usually are, gods

[short gate]

ig

[mossy kettle]

they're pretty much synonymous

[short gate]

man, i ate with these tools

[short gate]

oh how i despise this boss

[brittle glade]

demon incarnate

even worse is the runback, ||there's only one other bench in the immediate area and it's very well hidden||

[short gate]

fuck yooouuu fuck yooouuuuuµ
you're fucking dead

[tulip flume]

Oh shit does that increase the range of your standard needle attacks

[short gate]

yeah

[short gate]

the ultimate troll is that you get rewarded with a fucking bench 😭

[tulip flume]

tell tell, or at least a hint

I NEED it

I NEEDLE it

[short gate]

where are you in the game rn ?
if possible a screenshot of your map (spoilered ofc)

[mossy kettle]

i cheesed the hell out of that boss

[tulip flume]

||still getting the last melody||

||I have found bilewater just not the map yet||

[mossy kettle]

how much of ||mount fay ||have you done

[tulip flume]

||
||

oops

[short gate]

so you have 2 options
||either you find the secret passage towards the ducts from the citadel||
or you kill the annoying boss i just did

[tulip flume]

||all of it i got the wings||

[short gate]

i spammed the needle grab

[mossy kettle]

i don't think i stepped on the middle platforms once

[tulip flume]

okay thanks mon ami

[mossy kettle]

||i just stood at the side the entire fight||

[short gate]

wtf, lmao

[short gate]

what about the projectiles tho

[mossy kettle]

||i abused those flying beetles and the flying spike traps||

[short gate]

oooh, yeah i play without the tools

the weapon tools

[mossy kettle]

||the green goop balls? i climbed up the walls and most of them can't hit you there unless you get unlucky||

[mossy kettle]

use them, they're good

i don't use them much, usually only in bosses

[short gate]

they mess up my special attack when i have them

i tend to aim toward where i wanna use my skill even if i dont need to
and instead it just fires something else and i get fucked

[mossy kettle]

i rarely use my skill

just uses too much silk

[short gate]

eh, its usefull to clear flying ennemies to not get overwhelmed

or to deal a nice blow when a boss is staggered

also, has anyone found how to naviguate the mist ?

is it just try every exists until you find one that works ?

[mossy kettle]

yea

i don't think the game tells you how for some reason

want a hint

[short gate]

is that something to do with the butterflies thingy ?

[mossy kettle]

yes

[short gate]

i tried to see if anything happened with them, but i couldnt find anything

[carmine axle]

i mean godseeker refers to gods as any being with power or smth

obviously massive moss charger isn't a god

or gruzmother or vengefly king

so it's kind of vague and iffy

but in this context, it's safe to assume that the being at the top is a higher being

[tulip flume]

||long claw + crest of the wanderer 😭 im home||

[carmine axle]

W

im still stuck with reaper sdly

i wanted long claw so bad

but i havent even visited the slab yet

i saw the description of the bug

and just dipped

also

||I BEAT TROBIO IN 3 ATTEMPTS||

[tulip flume]

||oh my goodness First Sinner might be my favorite boss so far||

[tulip flume]

||||also holy crap cogfly might be the most busted tool in the game (nvm they break too quick)||

[mossy kettle]

It is according to the godseekers

[short gate]

TRRRRRRRROBIO

[short gate]

But it's 5 moss chargers in a trenchcoat

[mossy kettle]

what can i say, Restless god of those who band together

[tulip flume]

I beat the game yippie!!! (massive spoilers)

||im so fried bro i dont think i'll be able to do this 💀||

||I know there's a true ending which activates act 3 I just dont know how to get to it yet||

[carmine axle]

good boy

i just got a double jump 😄

that was one of the most brutal platforming sections ive seen

and i know theres a harder one

[carmine axle]

apparently you have to complete every single quest in every single town

which uhhhhhhhhh

i dont wanna do

but apparently the true ending is absolute cinema

so i might have to

can't believe people have already gotten it and are SPOILING IT FOR OTHERS

LIKE OML THESE IDIOTS NEED TO LET PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME

[tulip flume]

damn trying to activate the true ending is more of a pain in the ass than pantheon 5 apparently

i have been doing every sidequest on the board when there's something on it, i still have two left, im currently getting all the fleas first ||(there's an NPC that marks every flea you missed on the map)||

i still wanna find the last pale oil

i did the pharloom delicacy thingy (it was painful)

[carmine axle]

i just got that quest

and i already forgot where the npc is

cuz i was going for the ||fay wings||

[tulip flume]

he's like next to the citadel spas

or at least around it

you def need the ||fay wings|| to make the ||couriers rashes easier to get it to him|||

[carmine axle]

||dude mount fay was so obnoxiously annoying to get through 😭 i couldn't for the life of me figure out how to turn around after a clawline ||

[tulip flume]

||tbh, mount fay wasnt as hard for me, bilewater however was a genuine hell hole to get through||

||almost 0 benches, those annoying blowdart mfs that can just appear at anytime and aimbot your ass, and all the damn maggots||

||the boss runback at the end is ludicrous, aint no way i getting through that in steel soul, genuienly worst area in the game ||

[short gate]

you dont need to visit this area to finish steel soul
unless you want the 100% steel soul achievement

havent they released a patch to adjust the difficulty btw ?

[tulip flume]

no

[short gate]

weird, i saw news headlines talking about it

[tulip flume]

it is on the public beta branch

[short gate]

ah, i see

[tulip flume]

there's only like 2 early game bosses getting a slight nerf (none for that god awful beastfly) and some rosary prices adjusted

the rest r bug fixes

[short gate]

looking back at the trailer, there is still a bunch of areas i've never seen yet

like, that one with lava going up after you

[tulip flume]

no kidding, almost every area has 1 or 2 sub areas

and sometimes those sub areas have their own sub area

game is ridiculously massive

[brittle glade]

there's ||both a fake bench and a hidden bench that is well out of the way, on steel soul though the runback will be the least of your worries||

[short gate]

man, i still need 2300 rosaries to buy the last stuff in the shops

[short gate]

it takes 15m to farm 2300 rosaries

im pretty sure these two are in some sub area, but i cant for the life of me find where to access these

[brittle glade]

one of them require you to enter through ||a graymoor subarea, which is at the very top of graymoor so easy to not find||
the other one is actually not in ||putrified ducts, but rather still in general vaults/songclave area, just a bit more involved in reaching it since you have to do a lot of parkouring to get to it||
||neither require an endgame ability||

[tulip flume]

problem is ||the game doesnt tell your completion percentage so idk what contributes the most, ik obv finding areas maybe doing quests n stuff but its hard to tell||

[brittle glade]

||there's a lategame item that lets you track completion% once you obtain and repair it||

[short gate]

great, i have picked something that cry whenever i open my inventory now

[short gate]

this lead to some rather strange and unpleasant events

[brittle glade]

||you know it's bad when hornet is visibly unnerved by the whole process||

[tulip flume]

Why tf did they ||make you find a random ahh item to check completion instead of just telling you at the end 😭||

[brittle glade]

||HK has a similar mechanic too, you have to reach the black egg to obtain the worldsense ability||

[short gate]

i wish i knew how to use the diving bell

[tulip flume]

||Yeah but its right next to the final boss so its fine there||

[short gate]

i did a lot of nothing during these 44h
and a lot of dying too

[tulip flume]

Yeah i kept getting my ass kicked most of the time, but the challenge is exhilarating ||final boss was kinda too easy tbh ||

Great game regardless

[carmine axle]

ok so ||the high halls room is legit kicking my ass, HOW MANY WAVES ARE THERE HOLY SHT THIS IS WORSE THAN TRIAL OF THE FOOL||

[short gate]

now do ||act 3||

[tulip flume]

Im working on it

[tulip flume]

||You can have garmond help you out||

[short gate]

||You can have him help you with the fly before bellhart too||

[carmine axle]

WAIT WHAT

WHERE

[tulip flume]

Im not sure exactly, he was just kinda there right next to the room before the arena

Cuz sometimes you can come across him in random fights in the citadel

I think he helps you after you do a friendly duel with him

But i forgot the room where it happens

Its like somewhere decently high

[carmine axle]

brh

RIP

its fine i made it to the final challenge

||but i died to those stupid fat ass buggs because i forgot how they worked||

[tulip flume]

i just spammed the saws on them and they died quickly lol

[carmine axle]

theres SAWS!??!?!?!??!

i do not have ANY of the useful tools in this game 😭

all i have rn is just warding bell, steady body, and silk regen

[tulip flume]

goofy ahh loadout bro

[carmine axle]

oh yea

and wayward compass

m o r a l s u p p o r t

[tulip flume]

gotta explore more to find all the cooler stuff

did u get the ||venom pouch|| at least, that thing is goated

[carmine axle]

...where is that xd

ive missed too much

well to be fair i ||stumbled into sinners road, saw the fleas in the water, and dipped out never coming back||

[tulip flume]

||there's a worm npc thing in a hut in shellwood, left of bellhart, she gives you a quest to do that gives the venom pouch||

[carmine axle]

OH

wait where is chainsaw

dont tell me...

is it in ||sinners road||

[tulip flume]

||nah, its in another section of the underworks but you need the white key to access that other part||

||oh and its saw blades I mean||

[carmine axle]

||oh whiteward? i already got there, but idk how to get through||

[tulip flume]

||its down below, maybe check for a hidden breakable wall or pathway||

[carmine axle]

ight bet

[tulip flume]

i think its a habit after playing hollow knight or dark souls but i have an incentive to just randomly hit almost every wall and jump into every corner to find a secret, eventually it works which his really funny

[carmine axle]

I I BEAT IT

HOLY CRAP

||CHAINSAW MELTED ONE OF THEM||

[tulip flume]

gg

[carmine axle]

||OMG LACE 2 IS PEAK||

[tulip flume]

||getting close to the end||

[carmine axle]

FOUND THE FINAL BOSS

ngl she seems kinda easy

she tried to fake me out with that phase 2

but it didnt work

[tulip flume]

i acitvated ||act 3, holy shit this is genuinely crazy i wanna talk about it but its massive spoilers 😭||

||i wanna fight the true final boss (which i think ik what it is considering the situation but i want to explore the map while I have the chance)||

[carmine axle]

4

I BEAT THE GAMEEE

[tulip flume]

gg

[carmine axle]

TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEATEN THE FINAL BOSS OF ACT 2:
||Is this information accurate? I just added it in.||

[tulip flume]

||looks about right, her attacks are incredibly easy to telegraph||

[carmine axle]

||yea, almost felt TOO easy||

[tulip flume]

||the true final boss is defiently gonna be like 5x harder i bet ||

[carmine axle]

||welp, time to start figuring out how to get to act 3||

[carmine axle]

||most likely yea, im kind of scared||

||i still need long claw, in order to become TK again||

[tulip flume]

||hard to explain but you need to do like 90% of the task board, apparently people say you have to do every task including doing some of the courier's deliveries, I managed to activate act 3 but I still had like 1 task on the board and it still gave me directions to act 3, you'll know when you started getting to it when the songclave caretaker starts to wave at you when you return||

[carmine axle]

oh

ok

[brittle glade]

||to my knowledge beating every task is not required, I had rite of the pollip and silver bells pretty much ignored for a decent chunk of the game and still got the act 3 transition, one of the requirements is relocating the flea caravan to a very lategame area||

[short gate]

||pretty sure you just need the songclave quests done, alongside relocating the flea caravanes, maybe finding the big weaver nest, that one parasite quest and the gourmand quest too maybe ?||

Oh yeah and maybe ||freeing the green prince, seeing him at the dancer fight arena, and perhaps discovering the diving bell as well||

[brittle glade]

||discovering the diving bell not required, I fought the forebrothers in act 3||

[short gate]

Alr

[tulip flume]

||Why did they make activating act 3 so complicated 😭||

[mossy kettle]

SHE SAID IT! SHE SAID THE THING!

[tulip flume]

Absolute Cinema

[tulip flume]

Someone made a multiplayer mod

[carmine axle]

so uh

i found a place called ||bilewater||

and a lot of ppl have been saying REALLY bad things about it, so im kind of scared to go in

should i try?

more importantly, ||is it required to enter act 3||

[tulip flume]

its ruthless and unforgiving with possibly the worst boss runback in the game, with enemies that can randomly decide to appear to maggots being everywhere, if you thought sinner's road was bad you'll understand how fked up bilewater is.

||and yeah you need an item there to get to act 3||

[carmine axle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

.-.

[tulip flume]

||on the plus side if you do manage to beat the boss there, it leads to an area above where a task giver has the longclaw reward||

[carmine axle]

||runback worse than last judge?||

[tulip flume]

yes

[carmine axle]

B R U H

i still havent beaten beastfly

ima go do that now

DUDE

@tulip flume

I BEAT SAVAGE BAESTFLY FIRST TRY LMAO

[tulip flume]

damn nice lol

now go do the other one

[carmine axle]

THERES ANOTHER?!?!?!

[tulip flume]

i believe in bellhart someone puts up a task on the board reporting another beastfly appeared

[carmine axle]

this fight sucks .-.

i hate it

why does this exist

rng fest

[tulip flume]

yeah idk how it got past development

i managed to beat it by silkspearing the minions before they attack

[carmine axle]

true

might use that

im trying a strat rn

BRUH

IT DIDNT WORK

so basically its in the fourth chorus arena

so i tried to use the exploding rocks above

i got both, but it still didnt work .-.

[tulip flume]

so annoying their stupid projectiles also coat the ground for a few seconds

[carmine axle]

i actually wanna kms

why didnt the exploding rocks work 😭

i actually hate this bossfight

@tulip flume

I BEAT IT

HOLY CRAP

GOD GAMER STRATS

[tulip flume]

damn nice job

[carmine axle]

whoever let this boss get past development was on something

like oml

[tulip flume]

oml i have to take a delivery ALL the way to the ||fleas in the purified ducts im SOOOOOO FRIED bruh....||

[brittle glade]

||tip for future players attempting this boss, magma bell makes this boss and one other above graymoor trivial||

||hornet takes 1 less mask of damage from anything that deals fire damage (that also isn't falling into lava) with the bell equipped||

[short gate]

It works for ||last judge|| too

[carmine axle]

that wasnt my problem

||my problem were the constant ad spawnings and the fact that savage beastfly kept moving offscreen||

[mossy kettle]

Just got silksong's true ending. Holy shit. Best game ever

[mossy kettle]

i mean it only makes it trivial if your main source of damage is by falling into the lava

[carmine axle]

||its a mfing anime finisher THATS SO COOL||

[tulip flume]

got the best silk skill

[west scarab]

PEAK FICTION

the best boss of act 1

for sure

[carmine axle]

yup 😄

the runback though

absolutely horrendous

[carmine axle]

||HOLY CRAP I JUST GOT SHARP SHADOW IN SILKSONG||

[tulip flume]

just beat it too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/944928129720397895/1249806406849396867/its-just-so-peak-v0-joahx19d9nwb1.webp?ex=68c7166b&is=68c5c4eb&hm=208aa1f5668ce2c89bdc3e0fcee52c4b699320f005174cdec6d484e0262e2314&

[mossy kettle]

it is so peak

so unfathomably peak

[short gate]

also, as the game puts it
Mr Mushroom presence only means 2 things
that he is here to witness a great change, or a total disaster

[carmine axle]

oh what

new mr mushroom lore ig

wasnt aware of the total disaster part

||HES ALIVEEEE||

[short gate]

THERE IS A 3RD OIL

we're so back

i like the lore that Hornet's needle was forged by the bees from Hallownest

[carmine axle]

HAY

SPOILERS

oh well

thats cool

wait......

i thought the bees were seperate from hallownest in lore

cuz they wanted to be their own thing

does that mean

||THE THREE MOTHERS THEORY IS REAL?!?!?!??!?!||

[short gate]

you know that when you give the 2nd oil, not really a spoiler

[carmine axle]

i havent even gotten the first

idk where to look lol

[short gate]

😭

first one is obtained ||from the whispering vaults||
second is from ||the gourmand wish||
3rd is only accessible in act 3 ||after winning all 3 flea festival minigames||

oh man :(
||i just had to kill the funky knight on his steed that helps you throughout the game :((((((||

[carmine axle]

i just wanna know one thing

IS MY GOAT SHERMA OKAY

[mossy kettle]

i don't think it was really a theory

daughter of three queens was TC's original idea for hornet lore iirc

I'm glad they kept that idea

it's also probably why she's called hornet

oh wait you're not there yet

don't click that

[carmine axle]

o ok

[mossy kettle]

I won't even give you the chance to click that

[carmine axle]

btw how would i even get into the top half of ||the slab||

i got there a while back

but couldnt get up

so i just went left and got ||double jump||

[mossy kettle]

top half?

[carmine axle]

yea

[mossy kettle]

If you got your stuff back you've been to the top already

[carmine axle]

uhhh

i just entered through choral chambers

[mossy kettle]

oh

[carmine axle]

yea i found a long sussy pathway

that led here

[mossy kettle]

Yeah there's another, far funnier was to get there

[carmine axle]

uhhhhhhh

does it involve ||naked hornet||

[mossy kettle]

maybe

[carmine axle]

LMAO

i saw that once

when i got the cloak

[carmine axle]

THATS SO CURSED WTF

i saw her put her cloak back on in far fields

and iwas cleaning my eyes after

[mossy kettle]

she runs around THE ENTIRE REGION like that

[carmine axle]

yea so this is genuinely blocked

[mossy kettle]

not sure if you can access it from within the slab then

[carmine axle]

.-.

[mossy kettle]

you may need to get in from the other places

[carmine axle]

arey ou fr

[tulip flume]

yeah u gotta get captured

actually no there is another way

[carmine axle]

WHAT

TELL ME

PLEASE

I DONT WANNA SEE NAKED HORNET

[short gate]

pretty place 🥺

[tulip flume]

||in the slab with the bench close to the bell station, there's an area above it that you need the wings, there should be a breakable wall that leads to the rest of the slab||

[short gate]

i love the vibe of the area

[carmine axle]

TRAILER FOOTAGE

I'm assuming that it's ||sands of karak||

[carmine axle]

Oh BETTTTTT

I found that flea there, didn't see the breakable wall tho

[short gate]

sort of

[tulip flume]

wait wait i made a mistake its not up there my bad

[carmine axle]

RIP

where is it then

[tulip flume]

||do you have the key of apostate? if so you can open a door with it in the slab, there should be a room from that door with 2 parchments on the wall you can inspect, there's a sneaky room above that you need the wings to get up, if you dont have the key of apostate, its located somewhere in the putrefied ducts ||

[carmine axle]

||oh putrified ducts .-. im just gonna try and get there by not doing bilewater||

[short gate]

crust king was EASY compared to Karmelita 😭

[short gate]

you can easily do that from the citadel btw
just need to find where

[mossy kettle]

most sawblade-able boss ever

[short gate]

i spammed floor nails

[mossy kettle]

i didn't find those until after completing the game unfortunately

[short gate]

am a trapper kinda guy, i lay traps and they walk into it

[tulip flume]

ikr bruh she was annoying, took me more trys than it should

[short gate]

1 more ||heart|| to get now

[carmine axle]

oh yea i found a place called ||memorium||

[short gate]

you might want to carefully check this place
if you cant find it, look at the wish board in songclave

[carmine axle]

the songclave wishboard has nothing

but i did find a massive wide open area

with the merchant

[short gate]

thats the place !
now to do some tricky parkour...

[carmine axle]

....

uhhh

im just tryna find fleas rn man

apparently my friend said that if u get enough fleas, they tp u to the ducts

[short gate]

that can do as well
but im pretty sure there is a flea in the ducts already

[tulip flume]

||apparently you can skip last judge||

[carmine axle]

yea i found ||phantom after trecking through this area called the mist, it doesnt seem like you need last judge to beat him}}||

[short gate]

you can fight ||Trobbio|| again, thats hecking poggers

[carmine axle]

|| HES ALIVEEEEEEE||

[carmine axle]

also

i heard theres a boss in ||bilewater||

and that area has like no benches to my knowledge

and i REALLY don't wanna fight it

so

||is it required for act 3||

[tulip flume]

yea

[carmine axle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i hate this area

with a passion

im half tempted to search up a cheese or what the boss is

UHHHHH

@tulip flume

IS THIS IT

[tulip flume]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-begins-raining-rainy-day-théoden-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16521230

[carmine axle]

IVE ALREADY GOTTEN 3 OF THEM

uh oh

the last one is in ||bilewater||, isnt it

welp

ima do that tomorrow

i dont wanna piss myself tonight

[tulip flume]

yeah its an actual nightmare to go through