#Mythic Tier List

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bronze oasis
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I will make template in a couple hours

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If you want to create a tier-list the categories should be mobility, damage, tankiness and gimmick rate every mythic 1-10 in every category except gimmick which is 1-5 and add up the points if points >= 26 then s+ if <= 21 then s if <= 18 then a if <= 14 b if >= 11 c and if <= 9 d anything lower f

peak zephyr
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I feel like a 4th category for gimmick should be added, maybe on a scale of 1-5 instead of 10

bronze oasis
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Maybe

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But which mythics have gimmicks

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Like collapse

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And thats it id say

stuck mountain
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gimmick mythics are stuff like discoverer

peak zephyr
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p much anything with a major id

stuck mountain
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collapse has a solid design and a major id to fit it

bronze oasis
peak zephyr
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also like abso

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or az

bronze oasis
peak zephyr
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az probs a better example than abso

bronze oasis
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Az is just a weird bow

peak zephyr
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would also consider fanta gimmicky

bronze oasis
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Btw how az gimick nvm remebered

celest pier
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Maybe add a non combat section if there isn't one

bronze oasis
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thats mobility

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and gimmick

bronze oasis
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non based

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or based

celest pier
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revenant weathered warp?

bronze oasis
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weth bc mobility and dps god

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rev is good FOR BOOTS

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bc gimmick and mobilty

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and decent ehp

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and warp is warp

celest pier
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csabs, resu are so much stronger and dawnbreak is a lot stronger too

bronze oasis
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it has to be s

celest pier
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why does it have to be s

woven wigeon
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ayo

woven wigeon
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as for your tierlist uh

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strati idol revenant abso grim sunstar and galleon should all be

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lower

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in my opinion

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also guardian's placement is debatable but i place it near unstoppable just because of how powerful its major id is

bronze oasis
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SWUCKS

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SUCKS

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please

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just

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why tank

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just get like 50k ehp

woven wigeon
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hey if

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you put

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strati

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in near unstoppable

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i'm

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completely justified

bronze oasis
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i mean

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FINE

woven wigeon
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strati lackluster for me

bronze oasis
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but i just did that since its fuckin guardian

woven wigeon
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because it has koh damage and is ridiculously expensive for what it does

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a

bronze oasis
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but ws

woven wigeon
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i think

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ws

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smell

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im most curious about revenant and abso

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in your list

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also my list

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mystic karma
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my list

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also guardian isn't bad if you build it well

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it can deal damage in twf

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also more damage if you abuse endu

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and then 50% damage reflected to guardian major id is neat too

woven wigeon
mystic karma
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sstar is pretty neat

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fast hybrid sstar like

woven wigeon
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ok true i have seen a kind of sex fast hybrid sstar

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do u have a link ?

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also where's alka?

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oh

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ic

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a bit

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low imo

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doom

mystic karma
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something like this

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and there aren't many great war alka builds

woven wigeon
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there are

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a lot

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wdym

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lmao

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alka is one of the best dps weapons in war

mystic karma
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ye but all war builds are secret

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so i've never seen an actual build

celest pier
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its not too hard to figure out non crafteds and crafteds aren't that bad either

woven wigeon
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yeah

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lmao

mystic karma
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yeah

celest pier
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its like 80-100k

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dps

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unboosted

mystic karma
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i've figured out some non crafteds

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but can't be bothered figuring out crafteds

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also ehp and sustain?

woven wigeon
mystic karma
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hard to get good ehp, sustain, and dps in alka

woven wigeon
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these aren't solo builds

celest pier
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thats the point, its a war build

mystic karma
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i don't use only use wars to decide

woven wigeon
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still outside of them

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efa alka is pretty cool

celest pier
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alka outside of wars is like awkward etfa and the funny rainbow crafted rings

mystic karma
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ye

woven wigeon
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i mean its still

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best warrior melee

celest pier
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its dummy strong

woven wigeon
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because ridiculous dps

celest pier
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as strong as singu pretty much

woven wigeon
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not by a longshot

celest pier
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eh

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rally offhand for sustain since its rainbow

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so it pretty much performs similarly

woven wigeon
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singu is infinitely better because of mage being an objectively better class for melee

celest pier
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alka does more in rainbow?

mystic karma
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wait i can prob take it up to guardian

celest pier
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like a lot more

mystic karma
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or like top of A

woven wigeon
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warrior has no range and not good movement

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mage has gamer melee attack

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and heal

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in terms of weapon options

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there's like

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only singu

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but in terms of like

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it as a class

mystic karma
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rage gaia

celest pier
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doom

mystic karma
woven wigeon
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mage as a class has really good melee

mystic karma
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mage's 3 options are compiler, singu, and gaia

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for melee

celest pier
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you're playing as mage to braindead tank with heal not cause you're in a rush to kill things with rage

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wishing star cancelstack

mystic karma
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then there's like a 20k dps 40k ehp cstack build i made but e

celest pier
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better than compiler last time I checked at least?

mystic karma
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i use hqpherix for cstack

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even if a little lower damage

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since free 5 ms

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for heals

celest pier
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man at least to me

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sunstar tier stack looks so meh

woven wigeon
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its hybrid

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not tstack

mystic karma
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ye

celest pier
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mmm

mystic karma
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18k auras 36k melee

celest pier
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it does a wild amount of damage but I don't see it surviving as shaman?

woven wigeon
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with totem boost applied

celest pier
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guess cci is kinda fixed

mystic karma
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decent for shamans

woven wigeon
celest pier
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I play a lot of shaman and its like

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not that simple with half the bosses

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well during 1.20.2

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not recently

woven wigeon
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you can get up to almost 30k with killstreak

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30k auas

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auras

mystic karma
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killstreak blobsweat

woven wigeon
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killstreak is so gamer

celest pier
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other than warrior its the most painful class to hitless things

mystic karma
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i don't like counting killstreak while talking about weapons because killstreak is killstreak

woven wigeon
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based jerry doesnt like warrior melee

woven wigeon
mystic karma
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it isn't as easy as endu or conc

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to charge up

woven wigeon
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dodge ppfart

mystic karma
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or even dodge

woven wigeon
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dodge is

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the easiest

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by far

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and then endu

mystic karma
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eh

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i'd say endu first

celest pier
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no longer removing stacks when hit

woven wigeon
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then conc and killstreak

celest pier
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yeah dodge is easiest

woven wigeon
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dodge you just have to be near the mob

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you can just

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sit there

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and it doesnt require you to get hit

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and it doesnt like do the stupid reset on hit taken thing

mystic karma
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actually endu = dodge = rage > conc > killstreak

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imo

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i don't like rage but that's personal skill issue

celest pier
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mmm

woven wigeon
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dodge > endu > rage > conc ~ killstreak

celest pier
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dodge > endu > conc > ks > rage for me

woven wigeon
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they're about equal for me

mystic karma
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conc is easier than kstreak

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just need good cps

woven wigeon
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conc is a bit easier but killstreak is still like

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on that same level

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cast spells

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hit shit

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kill shit

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killstreak needs good cps too

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or just

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good aim

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rage is annoying

celest pier
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it needs things to exist for you to kill

mystic karma
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killstreak you need steady supply of mobs

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yeah

woven wigeon
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mm

celest pier
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partial rage noises

woven wigeon
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yeah

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but in most fights you have

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mobs

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like

celest pier
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run 100k ehp builds and just stay at half you still have 50k ehp to work with

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and probably a buncha controllable healing

woven wigeon
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orph, tcc has a few that you can definitely manage with, wars, a lot of LI bosses

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what other fights are there

celest pier
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Eo has minions

woven wigeon
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also true

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yes

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and most corrupted dungeons have minions

celest pier
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so does final boss of ahc

ripe herald
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very inaccurate but you get the point

woven wigeon
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abso, pure, and hero placements are

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high

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wow

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strati in crazy good doom

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also why db and warchief so low?

ripe herald
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im old

woven wigeon
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fair

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pre 1.20.3 hero definitely unstoppable

ripe herald
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cuz rage and shit

woven wigeon
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dodge hero also ridiculous

golden spindle
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mogus

mystic karma
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warp moment

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idk why warp is that high

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spring = arch

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:doom:

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also pure should equal fatal

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or fatal should be higher

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since gl getting a constant 12 cps

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and if a mob has either air or water def say goodbye to a good 1/3rd of your dps

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moontower should be lower too

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since -20 str, dex, and def hurts

woven wigeon
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doom

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pure that high is moderately ppfart

ripe herald
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lol

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my final answer

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oh no that category is for items i forgot were in the game

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toxo is just

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shit

bronze oasis
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Lmfao

ripe herald
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im not a poison user so idk what it could be good for

latent igloo
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like yeah it was nerfed but its still fucking good

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also pure on top tier?

ripe herald
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im shit with myfic

latent igloo
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thoughts?

latent igloo
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the spots in the tier are not in order btw

ripe herald
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apoc higher than spring?

latent igloo
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Apoc is actually good now

ripe herald
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is it?

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huh.

latent igloo
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And spring does less dps than olily and crafted spring

ripe herald
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didn't olily get nerfed

latent igloo
latent igloo
ripe herald
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yea

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atleast i think so

latent igloo
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I don’t remember a nerf

ripe herald
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i dont know

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my mythic list is based on pre-1.20.3

latent igloo
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So why tf is freedom on the bottom tier?

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Well not bottom

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On lackluster

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Freedom was one of the best weapons in the game

ripe herald
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idk how to use freedom so

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yea

latent igloo
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Its called

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Spell spam

ripe herald
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rainbow's weird

latent igloo
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Not rly

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Just arrow storm and bomb spam

ripe herald
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im more of a glassy high-walkspeed dps

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i dont really pay attention to rainbow cuz it feels restricted

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and idk how to build rainbow

latent igloo
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Its kinda easy tbh

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Thats my build atm

ripe herald
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i forgot crafted accessories exist

latent igloo
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Meant to have the same stats as a normal freedom build pre nerf

ripe herald
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wait whatsup with bracelet only giving 210 hp

latent igloo
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?

ripe herald
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doesn't vim veins give more?

latent igloo
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0 dura

ripe herald
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ohhh

woven wigeon
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abso, ignis, and grimtrap are way higher than I think they should be

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esp abso

latent igloo
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Like top tier

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Also abso isnt

mystic karma
latent igloo
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Warp is mainly cause of the lr use

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Idk if i should put it in usable

mystic karma
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eh imo it should have its own lr section

latent igloo
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Cause it sucks in combat

mystic karma
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along with disco and mt

latent igloo
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Ok

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Same about mt but like also the sp

mystic karma
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mt has -20 etf sp

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hurts

latent igloo
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And abso cause its amazing support

mystic karma
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damage isn't really great though

latent igloo
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Like a totem with 1k heal is fucking insane

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Yeah

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Still tho

woven wigeon
mystic karma
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i'd argue for singu, weath, and guard to drop too

latent igloo
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I get singu and weath

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But why guard?

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The bulk and support it gives are insane

mystic karma
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galleon shouldn't be in the same place as stardew

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eh i don't really find guard that great tbh

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but yeah i can see why it's there

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ig

woven wigeon
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idol

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is ppfart but at the same time it's better than post 1.20.3 hero ngl

bronze oasis
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Tru

nimble pumice
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spring at decent tier wtfrick!

severe sundial
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kind of a different list but yeah

ripe herald
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lootrunner. its based

mystic karma
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it's used now

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apoc is pretty good too

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same with grim

nimble pumice
ripe herald
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balls

latent igloo
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freedom underated

woven wigeon
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is utility more like war and grinding based?

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abso and toxo grinding, mt and idol on lrs, guard alka divzer in wars?

latent igloo
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also grim is not as bad as gaia if u ask me

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also freedom deserves to be higher ):

woven wigeon
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i have yet to see grim good

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i think tcrack and fatal should be higher ngl

latent igloo
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also that

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tcrack is sick

ripe herald
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tcrack and fatal are really good

woven wigeon
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and what da ignis doin

latent igloo
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also monster and hadal in the same tier?

ripe herald
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also fatal and resu aren't "rarely used"

latent igloo
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monster is sick

woven wigeon
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idk i havent seen monster that good after sex changes

latent igloo
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b r u h

woven wigeon
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pre sex changes it was really gamer and i used it a lot

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but like

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can i see sex monster ?

latent igloo
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first

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lemme send my build gimme a few mins

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2nd

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i fucking hate that name

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thats what i use rn

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damage is a bit low ig but endu and courage make up for it

woven wigeon
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mm

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i miss my

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old build

ripe herald
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i miss my nirvana

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got deleted to wynn lag

woven wigeon
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was this but higher dmg ppfart

latent igloo
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also

woven wigeon
latent igloo
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as i said a lot b4

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freedom is still fucking good

severe sundial
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exactly what you said

woven wigeon
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interesting

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cool way to think about it

severe sundial
woven wigeon
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i think some places could be changed but like most of it is pretty accurate

severe sundial
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and idk why you would use freedom now

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over gma

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Like

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not saying freedom is bad but

latent igloo
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uhh

woven wigeon
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also a lot of ppl use tcrack and fatal

severe sundial
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gma is better

latent igloo
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cause crabs gma is expansive af

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also

severe sundial
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freedom is pretty expensive

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with resu

woven wigeon
latent igloo
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with resu yeah

woven wigeon
latent igloo
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without resu tho

woven wigeon
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i got crabs for 4stx 95% health

latent igloo
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its still rly good

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i havent rly seen gma with decent ehp and damage without crabs

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like i saw one of the 2 but never both

woven wigeon
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hmm

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i wanna try

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actually yeah its mostly just the funny build

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nych bete chainrule crabs flapis spam

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mmmsadhf yikes this

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crabs funny gets 4k more bombs and like double the ehp ppfart

latent igloo
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lmao

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tbh i wonder

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when will flapis get nerfed

woven wigeon
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sexo

latent igloo
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wtf

ripe herald
woven wigeon
ripe herald
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im blind

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btw

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i realised where the intel come from

woven wigeon
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cant use funny flapis in that context

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yeah

ripe herald
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yea

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ik

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i just saw

fleet nebula
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why alka is so high ranked in these tierlists

bronze oasis
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100k dps moment

woven wigeon
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it has insane dps yeah

mystic karma
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but sustain go brrrr

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it's only good in groups

slender isle
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the thing is

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yeah its fucking garbo for solo nopot gameplay

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which is what tier lists should usually be based off of imo

mystic karma
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^

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that's why i never put alka high up

slender isle
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idk how much skill should be accounted for in tier lists

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cause i’m always inclined to rank mythics with the assumption of

-solo li performance
-no pots
-good player

mystic karma
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i mean if it goes by braindead play then all the tanks are up top

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then the et at the bottom

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for me it's

solo li/eo
good sustain, ehp, and damage
average-good player that knows how the game work

slender isle
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mhm

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see the only difference is

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if you rank with the presumption of very good player

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a lot of “high potential” mythics are gonna be up top

woven wigeon
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interesting

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i think the utility tlist is interesting based on use alone

ripe herald
shadow harbor
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This is the most accurate one imo from this entire chat minus nullification, as it sucks

slender isle
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actually a good list and also very accurate for the “i dont play shaman” tier as no one plays shaman

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only that stardew has some use in etw or twa rawstack so usable tier but very good

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i mean

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the question is

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is it as bad as galleon? not really it has a few uses unlike galleon which has like 0

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and etw

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the ms and hp is quite nice for etw

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yeah obviously in a lot of situations its outclassed

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i wasn’t saying that

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stardew is swag for etw cata since it gives nice mana sustain + damage AND it has quite a lot of health for a hyperoffensive pair of boots

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poison hybrid

ok but heavy hybrid is just better

and galleon isn’t good in heavy poison either

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blind thrust does it better in HH while fart frog skin does better in heavy poison

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mhm

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but yes otherwise good list i’d say

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i’d probably make a tier list too but i have too much bias for things like weathered

like is it pretty average if you try to build sustain/dont use flapis? yes

does it fucking shred everything assuming flapis is used and its a perfect play build thats played well cause weathered synergizes with the playstyle so well? yes

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rte 40 agi slurp

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i’ve used combat warp

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honestly it just sucks in li cause it just has piss poor dps while also being really finnicky to use + requires 2 extra mythics to be viable

but its cool i’ll give it that

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honestly warp being in the same tier as divzer and weathered while strati is 2 tiers below warp is kinda sus

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warp down 1 strati up 1 ig

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strati’s a large like for me cause it has a skill cap and works well in… perfect play

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yeah can’t rly do efte strati but

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flapis + courier gaming

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perfect play with 14k bombs in 1.20.3

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yeah

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it is

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but also

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warp has the exact same issue

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if you build it spellsteal then sure you get a slightly better lunar spine but also u can’t use its tp and ws to the fullest so whats the point

shadow harbor
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Also this is the only good tierlist because the other ones put collapse AS AVERAGE

copper meteor
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Ok

woven wigeon
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which is a damn shame

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because i bought one

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instead of an alka

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back when they were both like 4stx

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but also why is pure that high doom

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and apoc too

teal knot
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pure is a cool funny wand that actually works and is fun to use

mystic karma
slender isle
slender isle
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obv it didn’t get a buff like some rainbow mythics but it was already op so

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still solid

slender isle
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its so stinky now tho

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sure conc stacks but

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spring just gets assfucked by str/dex nowdays due to its -50 dex

also it has a hard time getting ehp above 20k without having its damage be shat on

overall just a way weaker divzer on the dps front while having the same ehp and a way weaker gma on the generalist front

woven wigeon
slender isle
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sorta

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its a matter of “no longer as A tier as before but still very effective”

sinful widget
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gaia is underrated, it's kind of a mid-range choice for lootrunning because of the -4 4th spell cost.
Low-End: KoH (almost for free)
Mid-Range: Gaia (50+ LE)
High-End: Warp (12+ stx)

mystic karma
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more like 10+ for warp now lol

sinful widget
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still about 13x more expensive

mystic karma
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but the thing is

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why sacrifice sp for str

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when you can go koh nepta morrow

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and still have intel and agi

sinful widget
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With koh you sacrifice some def (not that much but still)

mystic karma
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it's still free ehp

sinful widget
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ye ik, but that -1 1st spell cost really sucks

mystic karma
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also if you go gaia then you're likely stuck with ew

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and -1 cost with 4mr and amazing heal isn't bad

sinful widget
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with gaia, you have to choose between:
Gale's Sight: Better EHP and 2nd spell cost but no int and bad mana sustain
Anamnesis: Terrible EHP but great int and mana sustain

mystic karma
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ye

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while with koh if you go with either of them it's good

ripe herald
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use third eye

mystic karma
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anam also makes your wd hit max for heal

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true teye exists

sinful widget
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and if you really struggle with EHP you can just drink these lv85 def and agi pots you find in chests cuz why not

ripe herald
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use third eye or crafted helmet

mystic karma
sinful widget
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2 inv slots isn't much

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especially when you consider the fact that you don't have to bring a nepta

somber acorn
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My list

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i like damage and tankiness balance

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and tank toxo, EWFA gma, and TWFA / TWF cata (crafted or non crafted igas) give me that

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not balance, i meant tanky yet damaging beast / things with utilities

nimble pumice
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Why is tcrack on decent man

somber acorn
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And i've seen some good tcrack builds

ripe herald
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tcrack post str/dex changes is very pog

somber acorn
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infact, remember wynncon?

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someone did PoR with TWF tcrack

ripe herald
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shouldn't it then be higher up

somber acorn
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see the thing is, the person was just very skilled

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i used the same build and well, you can imagine how that went

nimble pumice
nimble pumice
woven wigeon
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gaia sucks pp

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i feel like idol and pure should go in sick ngl

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and maybe oly up

bronze oasis
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Cope

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Gaia as good as singu

nimble pumice
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ur high!

hexed garden
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somehow

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courage is only good for raids when you have teamates close to you

nimble pumice
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it's preference

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I like courage better

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some people use curse on singu

hexed garden
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Courage can support teamates but curse is generally better when soloing

nimble pumice
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I just don't like how it only effects 1 or 2 things

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and loses it when the boss changes form

woven wigeon
bronze oasis
nimble pumice
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5k less ehp

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.

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and yeah 5k poison at max

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that doesn't do all that much

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ws though yeah

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that is pain

bronze oasis
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And also ws pretty much = ehp

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Bc

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U can dodge

nimble pumice
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why do you need more ehp you already have 75k

severe sundial
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ws does not = hp

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Lol

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not at -10%ish ws vs -50ish

severe sundial
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yeah but its not like you'll be dodging a whole lot of stuff anyways

somber acorn
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How the hell is gaia above guardian toxo ignis disco nulli freedom spring nirvana and fuck it, hadad inferno and lament too

somber acorn
somber acorn
nimble pumice
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^

bronze oasis
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Ws

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Ehp

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Almost as good

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And also

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RAGe

somber acorn
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gaia is fun?

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????

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you can't heal properly with gaia

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it's more so a challange mythic

nimble pumice
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and if you want rage

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then add it

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ehp is hardly more

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ws is the only thing better

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gaia is a walkspeed build like

bronze oasis
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Lets say 30% ehp is mssing

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It would be more liek this

nimble pumice
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what

ripe herald
nimble pumice
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wait that's kinda good

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singu still better tho even with warchief

ripe herald
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hm

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nice

somber acorn
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Lmfao L to all gaia fans

nimble pumice
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True

woven wigeon
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unarchival

shadow harbor