#Item Discussion

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visual gyro
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5/6 fire mythics

languid ore
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They should still buff air weapons more 👍

earnest junco
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Guardian's dmg isnt that bad

visual gyro
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yeah when you use 3x lapis

earnest junco
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Apoc usually beats alka

earnest junco
visual gyro
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ive seen 3x lapis builds with less than 20k uppers 💀

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there are some with good damage

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i have seen

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but there are also a lot that are hot garbage

earnest junco
visual gyro
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of course its -intel

earnest junco
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Pretty good dmg for that ehpr + ehp

visual gyro
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ok but thats still very little damage

earnest junco
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High str dex lead to a high boost from endu courage

visual gyro
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could be said about any other weapon

earnest junco
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20.5k upper with endu, 27.4k with endu courage

earnest junco
visual gyro
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thrundacrack gets that damage unboosted

earnest junco
visual gyro
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i know but this is about damage

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i think hero surpasses this too

earnest junco
earnest junco
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Hero is by far the strongest weapon when it comes to tanky builds

visual gyro
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i really do not like this new layout

earnest junco
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18.9k / 27.9k upper
Dodge / dodge courage

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  • ssac or bash buff (which can reliably be used since you can cancel accidently warscream casts with ssac)
visual gyro
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ok now look at one with intel

earnest junco
earnest junco
visual gyro
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yeah but 12,2k unboosted uppers with hero is extremely low

earnest junco
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Since those sp you invested into int are missing in str dex

visual gyro
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youve got -spell damage% and no air damage %

earnest junco
visual gyro
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high strength and dex yes but you cant just always use boosts as an excuse

earnest junco
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Dodge always is maxed (after the first few seconds it needs to charge it up)

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I get that you maybe want to look at the dmg without courage

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But without dodge? That's not how the game works currently

rocky parcel
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any dodgemaxxers, endurancemaxxers or concentrationmaxxers in chat

languid ore
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what

hoary chasm
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are we going to complain about broken powder special

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well

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"broken"

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i thought no complaining about powder

latent ermine
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(real)

odd condor
visual gyro
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any rainbowmaxxers- nvm that does not exist (please add rainbow powders!!!!!!)

earnest junco
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Nearly constant +200% thunder dmg at the boss

dusky marsh
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i have a build you're gonna LOVE fartMC

hoary chasm
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no trift rr

west leaf
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I hate items

dusky marsh
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Same bro

dusky marsh
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item balls

hoary chasm
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Balls

latent ermine
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I am discussing the Item

visual gyro
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guys please let the items discuss in private, its not our discussion 🙏

latent ermine
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👉👈

odd condor
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the item system is perfect.
no more discussions.

torpid crow
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🇽

valid crystal
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master hive items by health:
1: tfa/etf (5400)
3: ewf (5000)
4: wfa (4600)
5: etw/efa (4200)
7: twf (3800)
8: ewa (3400)
9: eta/twa (3000)
10: contrast (900)
11: prowess/intensity (425)

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why is the archetype known for tankiness 4th in the hp lineup and and the archetype defined as hyperglassy 5th/6th????

wicked juniper
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4600 is still a very sizable amount of hp and as a tank archetype it's not as bulk/hp focused as the ones above it

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unlike other glassy archetypes etw absolutely needs the good hp in order to even be viable

earnest junco
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You wont die with a good WFA build (well.. If good WFA builds still existed...)

opal sable
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also A is typically low hp which puts the list in context

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in some ways heph is more of an outlier than eden

earnest junco
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Well it is a FA item

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FA items tend to have high hp

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(compare: Many EFA items, frontliner, ...)

opal sable
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yes F carries

rocky parcel
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any chatters

wicked juniper
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yeah

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come up with an interestng topic within the next 5 minutes or i'll beat you up with this rock i found

rocky parcel
languid ore
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Agility

rocky parcel
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literally any single of the new changes probably yeah but uh

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let's start with one of the easier ones

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agility change

languid ore
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Does it mean poison always procs in pvp now saltroll

rocky parcel
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"Agility will not fully nullify damage when triggered anymore. Instead, it will deal 10% of the damage to you and deal no knockback. Its scaling is slightly higher than defence, but they are both effectively equal."

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yes

languid ore
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Damn

wicked juniper
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rage gma users are crying

latent ermine
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yea

rocky parcel
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the list of unique playstyles that were killed due to the update that is adding unique playstyles:

  • oblivion gimmick
  • extreme rage
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please add to this list

vagrant junco
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wait you cant dodge -mr with new vanish

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like the vanish u get from shadestepper

west leaf
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agility nerf hits way harder than the defense nerf realistically

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defenseless air archetypes have piss poor ehp pre agi and taking any hit at all, even 10%, really sucks

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especially considering the fact that current endgame mobs are likely to receive blanket buffs and the new raid is also further in progression than current raids

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air looks like it's going to become even worse than it is now

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like agility will always be a useful thing to have in builds that use agility items (twfa & rainbow) but having air as your sole defensive sp seems like it'll be unusable in 2.0

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we understand why the defense and agility nerfs happened and it could be kind of cool if mobs were actually rebalanced appropriately but i have 0 faith in gms to do that

opal sable
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I agree with u pinna

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If that helps to hear

rocky parcel
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i still am of the opinion that agility's problems moreso stem from fire items being too powerful rather than air being too weak

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but there being like a singular properly defensive WA armor piece is kinda bogus

west leaf
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you can compare it to any other element (not solely fire) and it's night and day the differences

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there's definitely a couple good air items sure and fire might be better than it should be

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but considering air's effect is just

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overall the least reliable of all the elements

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it really feels like it needs that extra strength

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even if fire is supposedly stronger than it should be

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it feels pretty alright in game unless you're just abusing hypertank

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and a lot of endgame content seems to be designed with such high values in mind

rocky parcel
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that's also a raid issue

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raid balance :woozy:

west leaf
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please buff air please god

languid ore
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+1 on god 🙏

earnest junco
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Likely too glassy for the new raid

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At least for average players

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Since you said "that didnt get nerfed" I'm assuming you mean builds with ET without def or agi (else they'd also be nerfed)

earnest fog
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carrut is right you just cannot see it ingo
maybe try becoming a better class builder

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yea what

valid crystal
rocky parcel
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yes that singular properly defensive WA armor piece is ensa's ideals

earnest junco
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Also isnt there also a defensive WA helmet?

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Azure halo? Or am I mixing up names now?

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I'll check

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Yes, remembered correctly

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And technically you could also say booster plate is defensive because of its jump height

rocky parcel
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azure halo is to cancer what a lightbulb is to the sun

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not that it's a bad item honestly but it's not really specifically made to be a highly defensive air item, it's moreso water-focused with an existing air req

dusky marsh
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cancer doesnt have huge spr tho

opal sable
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insane analogy holy shit

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incredible

valid crystal
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with spellbound do you think we get rainbow neutral low level and high level mythic boots

raven cedar
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doubt

visual gyro
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bob’s mythic boots

earnest junco
opal sable
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hello item discussion

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what are we complaining about today

west leaf
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i wanted more ava content in 2.0 but didnt get it

earnest junco
earnest junco
opal sable
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battle monk isnt an item thing 😭

opal sable
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ava npc skin available from crates

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🚎

earnest junco
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But like

earnest fog
earnest junco
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Adding quest characters as buyable NPCs for housing could actually be a nice way to spice your island up

opal sable
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ye could be cool

earnest junco
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If you right click them they say a one line messages

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Pass this on to salted if you want

earnest fog
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WHY did you react to my message with the clown emoji

earnest junco
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Powder special nerfs are confirmed

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Plague only beats anthracite ballista because of powder specials

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If powder specials are gone anthracite is the best nonmythic tank tierstack bow again

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Well it's not a buff but the competition is getting nerfed

opal sable
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antballs

elder swan
hoary chasm
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Tierstack bow

raven cedar
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waiting for a build that is ant balls and efteling

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ultimate roll hell

languid ore
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resurgence 🤮

earnest junco
# elder swan are they?

Yes, Salted said it in his stream (at the beginning iirc, so like in the first 30 or 60 min)

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But we dont know by how much they'll be nerfed

opal sable
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mm

earnest junco
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not 100% sure when they said it but here pretty much is proof that he said it

unknown.png
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(we were sending everything mentioned in the stream in that chat)

earnest fog
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shut up

ivory schooner
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buff dawnbreak tiers so that -10 is max again

opal sable
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nah

ivory schooner
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come on dawnbreak cstack is kinda cool

rocky parcel
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nah

ivory schooner
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::((

dusky marsh
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that is enough

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@tidal cloud <3

ivory schooner
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true but -10 dawnbreak was gamer

tidal cloud
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what

dusky marsh
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tf u mean what

drifting pike
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oh was this about the video he made

tidal cloud
exotic perch
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when was dawnbreak -10 ?

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was that a recent change, or was that an old change from like 1.19

dusky marsh
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changed at some point in 1.20 if im not mistaken

hoary chasm
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it was on 1.20 release i fink

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same time they got rid of its -hpr and made it an actually good boot

dusky marsh
simple talon
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I thought the speed tier change happened after the hpr change

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Because I definitely remember there being a time during the "oh wait dawnbreak is actually good now" period of #🗿class_builds that a lot of dawnbreak cancelstack builds popped up

rocky parcel
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there was an initial tier nerf like 2 weeks after it was first found

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then there was a change that removed negative hpr off of it and nerfed tiers further quite a bit later

void mirage
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does natural mr scale with ur mana cap?

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(like, if u have 181 mana from int stat is it still just 5mr a second or does it regen faster)

hoary chasm
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int in 2.0 scales the natural mr and the total mr

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brrrt

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i didnt really check how much by

west leaf
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clam

raven cedar
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it’s 5% of your total mana per second

exotic perch
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(Have not played hero beta, I did not know that it generates 5% of your total mana)

raven cedar
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it's still pretty bad

exotic perch
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Still bad but I’m a lot more glad

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Glad that it’s not just “higher int means increase in mana pool”

void mirage
earnest junco
opal sable
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!!!

void mirage
raven cedar
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int builds fell out of the beta meta on day 1 lol

void mirage
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😔

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my poor lament

vivid pagoda
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elder nymph
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why was this archived

west leaf
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no one talked

hoary chasm
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no one likes items

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or discussing them

elder nymph
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ic

ivory schooner
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we are all just waiting for the new item changelog so we can discuss our favorite items being nerfed to smithereens again

opal sable
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😁

opal sable
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ok I'll go delete rte

ivory schooner
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you always think that until you see the nerfs 😔

earnest junco
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My fav items:
Hero, tcrack, (no longer guard bc the major ID is dead), heph, gaia, galleon

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Fav builds / playstyles:
Spell / poison hybrid gaia
TFA tcrack with 3x unique + heph
(guardian taunt rally carry build. RIP)
Hero builds (I just like staying below 50% hp)

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I also love spell assassin but dont really care about the build type there

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And in 2.0 I like helicopter archer

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Taking all perks that give arrow storm more arrows, not taking the perk that removes recoil after 8s of not getting hit, 1 mana storm

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  • grappling hook
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Cycling 3x storm down -> 1x hook up (to the ceiling)

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Not great dps but very fun

valid crystal
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“can we have acrobat” “we have acrobat at home”

exotic perch
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What is rte

opal sable
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return to ether

valid crystal
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discuss: achromatic gloom

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i wish it was used more

opal sable
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shoutout to achro man

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one of the few items that is typically worse than using no item at all

raven cedar
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highbread item

valid crystal
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buff achro to be -2 to all or maybe -3

valid crystal
earnest junco
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Not as clean tho

valid crystal
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one bcata laritroll

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balankia probably but that’s also like lv 33 or smth

raven cedar
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knucklebones

vivid pagoda
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undefined

valid crystal
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chaos?

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undefined is alright

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homeorheisis

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how do you spell it

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olux cursed pendant?

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it’s called hexed pendant

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diminished the ring

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this bracelet

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opal sable
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broken balance iirc tends to be net negative

hoary chasm
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I mean if used correctly you could say kbones isnt negative either

valid crystal
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kbones sees enough use in wars that i’d call it okay

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broken balance is unfortunately not good enough to justify using it

exotic perch
exotic perch
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Doesn’t make much sense though cuz it doesn’t have powder special slots

hoary chasm
void mirage
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Do you guys think time rift will be practical for an arcanist mage?

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bc like

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the subclass can already spam recast spells prolly faster than trift

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and the spells from stuff like chaos explosion prolly dont proc sorcery

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so perhaps the chestplate slot could be used for smth else for extra dmg / sustain?

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(and it makes the seance modifier go from - to + bc ls cancel)

rocky parcel
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dead chat xd

latent ermine
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dead chat xd

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lets talk about grandmother and how awesome it is

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green

hoary chasm
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Grandmother

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I love saviours sac rage gma in tcc

dusky marsh