Cause one of Divzer's small gimmicks is numbers with weird bases that aren't just flat 5's and 0's or even 2's. Yeah, it wastes two dex points but it's not really that gigantic of a deal and needing to get those couple extra dex points to use it makes a bigger difference than it seems when so many builds these days seem to have so few spare SP.
#Item Discussion
potent scroll
wicked juniper
tl;dr style points
dusky marsh
yet i still didn't pass as IM with my quirky 1984 fire/air heavy hybrid item
rocky parcel
he is not like other quirky girls........
void mirage
what does divzer even mean
wicked juniper
divide by zero
void mirage
OHHHHHHHHH
all my time playing wynn
and ive NEVER realized that
holy hell
that’s interesting
visual gyro
divzer has +37 dex because in the making of the economy update the admins wanted to make an ingredient that had perfect divzer synergy but it had -2 dexterity and since crafteds skill points dont contribute to requirements it would make you have only 148 dex on divzer with +35 dex so therefore they had to increase divzer dex
then they removed it anyway and forgot to set divzer dex back to +35
west leaf
@visual gyro
dusky marsh
@west leaf
valid crystal
Cause one of Divzer's small gimmicks is numbers with weird bases that aren't jus...
wait then why is the req 115? that ends in a 5
why is the -agi 550? that ends in a 0
potent scroll
wait then why is the req 115? that ends in a 5
why is the -agi 550? that ends in...
I explained why the couple extra dex points and -550 was made when SP were rollable iirc
valid crystal
ag
i don’t know but i’ll take your word for it 
what was the roll range for agi back when it was rollable
visual gyro
wait then why is the req 115? that ends in a 5
why is the -agi 550? that ends in...
why does any of this even matter
its some values on an item
so what
valid crystal
curious
also i hate trying to build divz and seeing 152 in my dex field
113 req 37 bonus
visual gyro
nah make it 27 bonus and increase req 
wicked juniper
i cant wait for the -hp on guillotine to be removed and the base hp to be adjusted accordingly
rocky parcel
i am going to remove the base hp
wicked juniper
:cringe:
dusky marsh
1984
raven cedar
@rocky parcel what r your thoughts on single spell weapons
rocky parcel
inland brook
technically not an item but buff wind prison
rocky parcel
find me an earlier example of a suggestion for a single spell weapon
raven cedar
lol nice
visual gyro
give it geocentrism too
raven cedar
no
visual gyro
find me an earlier example of a suggestion for a single spell weapon
king of hearts
inland brook
the evolved
tawdry grove
who?
dusky marsh
ASKED
opal sable
what was the roll range for agi back when it was rollable
standard
.3 - 1.3 on positive, .7 - 1.3 on negative
exotic perch
also i hate trying to build divz and seeing 152 in my dex field
Just get crafted -2 dex 👍
valid crystal
these seem related
time to make one for uh
its shaman and archer missing them right
archer's will have deadeye
should i make shaman's with furious or peaceful effigy
valid crystal
double speed ticks
hmm im thinking tw for arch and fa for sham
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/customizer.html#10000GTactical Skirt0240401030520G020X90H0211G0I010j0J0211G0K0202b0M0201C0P010y0Q010e0U010L0h07DEADEYE0j013110+0200X2G130108X140232w1a15013bK180105N1B013231F010311L01011
and
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the hash
inland brook
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/customizer.html#10000GTactical%20Skirt024040103052...
seems pretty op with slayer
valid crystal
"A fluttering long skirt of black plastic, designed by the Corkians to favour sharp attacks but disfavouring area of effect shots."
alt lore:
inland brook
also -3 --> -2 1st spell isnt possible
valid crystal
"Dark plastic swirls around by the wearer, designed for female archers. However, non-female archers wear it too, because they don't care who it was made for, they just wear it."
valid crystal
also -3 --> -2 1st spell isnt possible
wynnbuilder weird lemme swap link
is 3rd spell cost weirded as well?
oh it is
inland brook
i think 3rd is fine
valid crystal
slayer az twa/etwa?
valid crystal
lapis
i need to know whether to furious or peaceful for shaman
deadeye does not carry over on ci's
valid crystal
_"Dark plastic swirls around by the wearer, designed for female archers. However...
i may be male but boy would i like to try on a skirt
rocky parcel
these seem related
actually these happened by complete accident
for both trickpockets and impact winter it was the least useful slot for those elements in endgame at the time of making it and infernal impulse in the most useful slot
raven cedar
the deadeye leggings are op af lmao
rocky parcel
it's ok i can forgive you calling the major id deadeye, it's quite confusing with the whole
nighthawk
deadeye
hawkeye
just don't call the major id nighthawk, ever
inland brook
nightdead
opal sable
community make CIs that aren't extreme challenge
visual gyro
difficulty impossible
making actually balanced CIs is hard because theres always that unresistable urge to make it absolutely fucking broken for your own personal benefit
valid crystal
i mean sometimes i refer to it as nighthawk
i can attempt items at like 96 because i know what standards those have
hmm maybe finally a good thunder bow
cluster needs a buff fr
what if i tstacked that?
yea maybe i put too much thunder dmg on that
okay im just going to say that its alright because archer tstack doesn't get as much damage as it should
latent ermine
why dont you put scarlet veil on it
since it has that hilarious (not comedic in the slightest) amount of exploding%
slapping sveil also allows archer tstack to do some aoe
valid crystal
wym no req
wait that uses the 999 raw melee
the req is bugged
it should be 64
Scarlet Veil
Calidade Mail
Second Wind
Nether's Scar
Breezehands
Flashfire Knuckle
Flashfire Gauntlet
Diamond Static Necklace
Alternating Current [f6t6t6t6f6]
does some cracked damage but have fun with your nethers scar and -423 ls
latent ermine
wym no req
There is no req
valid crystal
rocky parcel
64s don't save
rugged laurel
Is this a good King of Hearts?
hoary chasm
Is this a good King of Hearts?
It does not have very nice water damage :<
rugged laurel
even if that means the health is shit?
like would 100% wd and +2000 health be good?
hoary chasm
No The one above is better than that
hoary chasm
4/3mr >hp >wd
The heal scales off health and up to 150% water damage so it’s important to get both
dusky marsh
waste of the name "Doomsday"
add light and dark elements and name one of the new mythics Doomsday ty
valid crystal
add a helmet arcsine w 3mr -15 dex -thunder damage +air damage +15 str/agi req pls ty 🤩🤩 /hj
tardy siren
tbh "Doomsday" on a level 55 does seem kind of weird
opal sable
waste of the name "Doomsday"
me trying to make items only to find a midgame unique with the goated item name
most frustrating feelings
dusky marsh
if you don't make Troposhere I'm filing a complaint
opal sable
shere
dusky marsh
SPHERE
raven cedar
troposhere
visual gyro
just rename ionosphere to troposphere if youre too lazy to make a new item
rocky parcel
gaze upon these spheres
valid crystal
alt divz lore:
Division by zero, if assigned any real value, results in the collapse of all mathematics. However, it is still useful as a concept, and a Wynnic arithmancer anchored the concept to the bow.
valid crystal
the “arrows” give division by zero a real value in a localised area
of course this tears baseline reality into crying little shreds
but like holding that is really damaging so it also divides your ehp
rocky parcel
i ate so many items i am SO FULL
hoary chasm
I LOVE items
im an item
rocky parcel
i'm certain i set the archiving time of this thread to 7 days but it just randomly disappeared from my channel list
very odd
anyway if anyone wants to discuss items here you should probably do it here @languid ore @runic ferry and anyone else who has been talking about it in #🌎wynncraft
languid ore
mm
languid ore
what
inland brook
technically not an item but buff wind prison
languid ore
honestly apocalypse + scarlet veil is very fun
rocky parcel
you are not allowed to name powder specials i declare them being undiscussable
runic ferry
it is
inland brook
apoc is already really good for solo wars
languid ore
it is very fantastic for its price
rocky parcel
(well, they're fine to discuss but unless you have a good idea for a total rework there really is not ever going to be anything of use you're saying about powder specials to anyone ever)
inland brook
though it would be nice if it were usable outside of wars
runic ferry
^^
languid ore
Green ls apocs are crazy expensive on trade market
inland brook
Green ls apocs are crazy expensive on trade market <:saltroll:827620910391492620...
me when greed
elder swan
Nerf greed
runic ferry
a very simple major ID like a much higher chance to proc lifesteal no matter the attack speed would be great
languid ore
lifesteal procs every melee hit
rocky parcel
(and after like a year of having to carefully explain to ingo that powder specials are kind of out of IM's control every time we discuss any form of balance it's become a bit of a big annoyance)
languid ore
👍
elder swan
Or old keepers ring so people use funny clown chestplate
runic ferry
fuck okr
languid ore
old keeper's ring already had its stealing removed
rocky parcel
i really like greed & it being on old keeper's ring
it's really very directly a funny crafted moment above literally anything else
runic ferry
the day IM gives crafted items major IDs is when wynncraft dies
languid ore
make it drop from a mob that only spawns in certain areas every 12 hours
rocky parcel
second of all it's never balanceable in a meaningful way
elder swan
Eh its still stronger heals than infernal impulse (shit item without its major id) on a ring with almost no downsides
rocky parcel
thirdly crafteds already have unique IDs as well as very high power and customization so them not having any major IDs doesn't hurt them nearly as much as the few people that do often ask for major IDs on crafteds make it seem
languid ore
who unironically asks for major IDs on crafteds
runic ferry
crafting slobs
runic ferry
seriously buff apoc so its usable outside wars
inland brook
who unironically asks for major IDs on crafteds
hoary chasm
apoc is usable outside of wars
inland brook
toxo prices 📉
runic ferry
bro what the fuck is that
inland brook
yeah the whole thread is wack
languid ore
"higher levels of gameplay where builds rely on their Major ID"
runic ferry
whoever suggested these needs to be on meds
languid ore
bruh
inland brook
effort post btw
runic ferry
bartwalker is a dumb ct
inland brook
like half the mythics are basic
rocky parcel
it legitimately is the most basic mythic in the entire game
runic ferry
no it isnt
rocky parcel
it really is though
languid ore
I don't think it's more basic than freedom or spring
rocky parcel
one of the least interesting or useful designs
it's like the stardew of mythic weapons
inland brook
it legitimately is the most basic mythic in the entire game
id say its disco
runic ferry
disco
inland brook
alka is also pretty boring
rocky parcel
clearly out of its league, clearly underpowered and yet no actual solution to fix it because you can't just keep buffing the same exact stats until it's maybe finally worth using over specific other items in specific builds just for a few more items to change and it;s either useless again or busted
runic ferry
well do you think thats maybe been caused by it being nerfed literally four times in a row
yeah guys lets drop the fuck out of the base, but you get exploding!
more exploding!
rocky parcel
spring is pretty basic and freedom is pretty boring but not both
only apoc is one of the most basic and one of the most boring mythic weapons
rocky parcel
apocalypse has received several consecutive buffs lol
runic ferry
my ASS
languid ore
Spring is mostly fun because of time rift
rocky parcel
it used to have 300 ls at one point
languid ore
and freedom is really damn basic
runic ferry
lifesteal does not help its situation
inland brook
honestly i think its fine to have one boring mythic per class
apoc fits it pretty well
rocky parcel
nothing against boring mythics
they just gotta actually work
and guess what apoc isnt doing any of?
runic ferry
hold on im really good at making bad rebalance suggestions
inland brook
it has a niche in solo wars
rocky parcel
besides, spears are already mostly very basic
there's no warp, or divzer, or hadal or whatever
dusky marsh
and guess what apoc isnt doing any of?
eh?
apoc is good
wdym
dont answer that
lemme read all the unread messages first
dusky marsh
I don't think it's more basic than freedom or spring
i agree with freedom
freedom is fucking lame
dusky marsh
apoc is fine sir
dusky marsh
its design doesn't allow it to be good
how so?
dusky marsh
besides, spears are already mostly very basic
TRUE
dusky marsh
it has a niche in solo wars
not eve
inland brook
apoc could be improved but its not really as important as other mythics
languid ore
apoc in TCC is really good
dusky marsh
nerf aftershock before u touch apoc
inland brook
like stardew
languid ore
aftershock is alkatraz with powder slots
inland brook
anything but a near max roll is basically useless
languid ore
it's so dumb
rocky parcel
it still barely outperforms undying and undying is honestly only barely too strong
dusky marsh
then buff the dmg
its stats r fine imo
and tbh
now we're on this topic
i've been slandering my baby inferno a bit
i don't think it's too OP
i think vanish is too OP
ty for listening to my ted talk
inferno could use a little toning down but it's otherwise fine
if it deserves a nerf
inland brook
inferno is fine
inland brook
its mostly tstack/stonewalker thats the problem
inland brook
yes tstack
dusky marsh
??????
inland brook
its pretty much the best form of melee
rocky parcel
can't buff the damage that much it's kinda already pretty high for its level
dusky marsh
if anything
butt the other melees
rawstack
cancelstack
NOT TO BE ON PAR WITH TIERSTACK
rocky parcel
besides i'm still mainly talking about the design
inland brook
and make melee other than sfast/sslow viable
dusky marsh
what swrong with the design in your opinion?
rocky parcel
it's just "so this weapon has life steal"
"and?"
"no that's it"
dusky marsh
exploding
runic ferry
collapse
dusky marsh
+35 def
rocky parcel
you got it you're right it has positive skill points into its own element like every mythic weapon this fixes its bad design
dusky marsh
you know i didnt say that
inland brook
it's just "so this weapon has life steal"
"and?"
"no that's it"
i guess a way to rework it would be to add -hpr, more -hpr%, but buff the lifesteal
that would turn it into an "attack to survive" weapon
rocky parcel
god the life steal is already so high lol
inland brook
buff lifesteal nerf greed
dusky marsh
quetz
inland brook
divzer
dusky marsh
quetz can heal too
rocky parcel
bows have higher base life steal numbers
dusky marsh
thats understandable
rocky parcel
and also it's only like 20 levels higher
rocky parcel
because the melee is more or less still singletarget
runic ferry
and also it's only like 20 levels higher
being a low level mythic has physically no excuse to make it weak
Pure exists
inland brook
ashock 💀
dusky marsh
it sure as hell is an excuse
runic ferry
ashock too
rocky parcel
cool pure is really hard to use to its full potential until proper endgame
dusky marsh
same for aftershock
rocky parcel
yeah use aftershock that's at least a valid complaint because that IS a dumb item
dusky marsh
i dotn understand why ppl mention everything but az
az is the most broken at its level
lmfao
rocky parcel
ehh kinda
runic ferry
people still have az being total dogshit in the back of their mind and forget about it
rocky parcel
it's broken but after you apply t6 powders which allows for a decent bit of leniency
inland brook
az just uses llapis as a crutch
rocky parcel
i really need you to understand that if apocalypse was buffed by quite a bit it would just be "get to level 81, close your eyes, take a good long nap and wake up at level 103"
runic ferry
wtf are you gonna do at level 81 that lets you stack it up to sfast or heavy melee it
rocky parcel
we're trying to get the lower level mythics to be good but not utterly busted at-level but also still at least on par with the highest end legendaries
runic ferry
coil enjoyers
dusky marsh
🥰
rocky parcel
wtf are you gonna do at level 81 that lets you stack it up to sfast or heavy mel...
apoc at level can be tierstacked to very good results
dusky marsh
my favourite boss alter after pz is magmastream
runic ferry
everything from magmastream core is fucking great
runic ferry
true
dusky marsh
what do you propose the change be?
rocky parcel
:tf:
dusky marsh
apoc is close to an ID cluster
rocky parcel
idk though
rocky parcel
that really is not the thing at hand blue
dusky marsh
i would remove the water lol
inland brook
soul point regen 💀
rocky parcel
apocalypse is stuck in a position it really can't remain and also follow aforementioned ideal for the lower level mythic
dusky marsh
what position is that?
rocky parcel
aftershock is a bit easier to do that with due to shaman being pretty frail and having a hard time through gameplay much easier
dusky marsh
ingo is gonna explode when he sees this channel lol
rocky parcel
the current position blue
it's super slow with baseline damage and a metric fuckton of ls for the level
basically it's anchored itself into two raw values as sole defining features and it has to use those raw values to compete with items 20 levels higher than it
and even currently one of those is already pushed way beyond the realistic limit (divzer's life steal is lower compared to baseline than apocalypse lol) and the other can't be pushed as far
dusky marsh
major ID
inland brook
basically it's anchored itself into two raw values as sole defining features and...
pretty much describes every low level mythic but pure
runic ferry
like being archer
rocky parcel
it doesn't even have a good major ID to give it
and no exploding impact is not in the books for it
dusky marsh
()
rocky parcel
pretty much describes every low level mythic but pure
but pure and az and aftershock- and archangel if given some proper attention
aftershock by the way i just really want to say this last thing
shaman melee is fucked up busted
rocky parcel
i don't think it's actually been intentional but the lack of super slow endgame reliks is really good
rocky parcel
because if they did exist aftershock would legitimately be passed in numbers without a lot of trouble (similar to apocalypse) and you'd be looking at melee dps even quite a bit above fucking vanish assassin
dusky marsh
aftershock alrdy surpasses assassin
runic ferry
buff apoc final offer
rocky parcel
i don't want to buff apoc because it wouldn't do anything
conceptually dysfunctional shovel
runic ferry
shaman is a conceptually dysfunctional class
rocky parcel
it has a great concept and pretty good execution
runic ferry
yeah until you run into literally any mob with a smidge of cci
rocky parcel
then CCI came in and literally hardcountered & removed that concept
runic ferry
cci is a great mechanic
rocky parcel
how has no one ever made the suggestion to remove CCI i complain about it every single day and no one ever picks up on it
dusky marsh
lots of people have..........................................
but item makers have no control over dev work
so its pointless?
runic ferry
🤷♂️
rocky parcel
i mean
\
on the forums
there was like one feedback thread ages ago and it remained active for a full 4 days
rocky parcel
i don't get either of these remarks
inland brook
people complain about cci a lot, just not in depth
its usually just "cci bad" and thats it
rocky parcel
if you want a suggestion to ever be known, to ever reach beyond any of the ct that check the discord, you HAVE to throw that on the forums
please understand that complaining about it on the discord is not ever useful in any way and whenever i do it it's just me letting of steam
i just really want to enjoy the game
and CCI is going straight, directly, linea recta against enjoyment of the game
runic ferry
recta
dusky marsh
erecta 😼
simple talon
erotica 😳
somber hollow
freedom is fucking lame
I would say that builds on Freedom are all the same
dusky marsh
p much
west leaf
saying cci is just bad and to straight up remove it isnt very constructive either
i remember writing a cci thread in the feedback section of general suggestions before and it got barely any views
visual gyro
the concept of cci is alright but it absolutely kills shaman and helps other classes sometimes even
west leaf
i dont like making threads on the forums if they just end up getting jack shit attention and if i dont know if my feedback is ever even taken into consideration
visual gyro
about the low level mythics discussion earlier, i think most of them (most) are in a state where theyre good both at level and endgame however i do believe there needs to be a few changes
apoc ls shouldnt be changed imo, 666 base life steal is pretty epic and fits the theme i guess? it does need some sort of change though
az is fine, it doesnt lack in anything although its pretty basic
nerf aftershock (or at least stonewalker) (or give it -exploding to be funny )
pure is good, really strong at level and still somewhat decent at endgame although the inability to use ANY powder specials kinda sucks
archangel lacks in damage both at level and endgame please buff (im not saying this because im biased, most people genuinely do want a damage buff on archangel) (extra reach major id that has been suggested a million times by now is also a good idea, massive sickle got the same range as a goddamn nulli)
somber hollow
you also need to rebalance the newly released mythics, for example, Quetzalcoal, which is not playable at all, Immolation buffed a little, convergence also buffed a little, fantasy, hadal, and many mythics buffed a little, to playability, so that all mythics can be safely used
dusky marsh
you also need to rebalance the newly released mythics, for example, Quetzalcoal,...
homie says quetz is unusable, immo deserves a buff, hadal and fanta need a buff
so they can be safely used
im sorry quetz "sucking" is a danger to your well-being
IMO
buff stardew, inflate the stats a little so its less comparable with pro tempore, etc
buff melee on quetz, everything else about quetz is perfect
conv is lame but ig its fine
idk i dont pay it much attention
somber hollow
well, quetz generally needs to be completely redone, since it is not known why it is needed at all
somber hollow
😆
dusky marsh
buff grim, the flavour is fine the dmg is just lacking
somber hollow
me, too, when I saw this staff for the first time, I was shocked
dusky marsh
give sunstar -aura and/or +agi !!!! altho sunstar isnt too bad and doesnt require a buff
uhh what else
nerf immo and aftershock
and i have a lesson so no more byebye
somber hollow
nerf immo this is just funny
still make a variety of rainbow builds
I'm surprised they haven't touched inferno yet
visual gyro
immo tanky but “weak” (either its weak or you cant abuse powders very well)
i wouldnt change it
sunstar imo needs +15 dex +15 agi
visual gyro
it is, which is where it cant abuse powders
somber hollow
shaman tank is not compatible
visual gyro
wynn players be like “shaman is too glassy” “noo immo too tanky for shaman”
also it like
cant heal
quetz i think is fine but it cant do shit to allies which is annoying
give it a life steal version of heart of the pack
somber hollow
wynn players be like “shaman is too glassy” “noo immo too tanky for shaman”
well, this survivability does not help the shaman
visual gyro
how so
somber hollow
i did tank builds on the shaman with a very large amount of ehp and it still hurts the shaman
The shaman itself is not the best class in terms of running dungeon raids
visual gyro
dungeons or raids
because it does well in dungeons
raids maybe not as much but its still decent in nol
zenith sinew
falls apart at the boss fight if your teammates cant stand in the door or corner because lack of skill/tank ability
somber hollow
and also LI forgot there, too, the shaman is not strong
zenith sinew
unless tstack ig but spell shaman still exists
visual gyro
falls apart at the boss fight if your teammates cant stand in the door or corner...
nol boss is actually where the haul spell is surprisingly good and useful
especially against mobs with cci
somber hollow
well tstak toxa or aftershock
visual gyro
rawstack toxo 😐
somber hollow
Toxa is deprecated now as there are a lot of builds that will out-damage Toxa
visual gyro
toxo isnt really a pve weapon
zenith sinew
Toxa is deprecated now as there are a lot of builds that will out-damage Toxa
poison was never meant to be top dps
somber hollow
it's true
visual gyro
i think shaman in general just needs a slight spell multiplier buff
not a big one but enough to make even the strongest reliks able to do more than 60k dps consistently because thats where we are right now
somber hollow
poison was never meant to be top dps
yes, since now the shaman in terms of spell builds is dead
somber hollow
not a big one but enough to make even the strongest reliks able to do more than ...
but protection 0
somber hollow
then there will be a lot of damage
west leaf
i think quetz is cool
somber hollow
Wtf
visual gyro
quetz is one of my favorite wands but like
objectively
its meh
good ehp, mobility and sustain
however
damage not that high + cant heal allies so it kinda defeats the whole point of mage
somber hollow
rocky parcel
quetzalcoatl is not bad it's just that it can't really use demon tide or guillotine lol
immolation is not bad in any possible timeline
fantasia is not bad in any way, convergence is not bad in any way, hadal is not that great
rocky parcel
well, quetz generally needs to be completely redone, since it is not known why i...
can you elaborate on wtf this means
inland brook
can you elaborate on wtf this means
if i had to guess, id assume they mean it doesnt really have an identity
like is it supposed to be a rawstack like other ea weapons?
cause rawstack gets complete crap dps
does the neutral spell mean its supposed to be spell?
spell quetz is also pretty weird
visual gyro
quetzalcoatl is not bad it's just that it can't really use demon tide or guillot...
i used demon tide with quetz
shit was 🔥🔥🔥
slayer and brainwash kinda carried but eh
at least i used no lapis
rocky parcel
slayer brainwash demon tide
really need a doom emote on this server right about now
visual gyro
i forgot
probably thanos legionnaire plate
for skill points and damage
i know i used tenuto
so probably double summa + prowess
elder swan
Thanos legionnaire plate is so funny
inland brook
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_06W0iv0DS0Qq0050050K40og0uy161V-T1C161g00001031ZO
WynnBuilder build:
Brainwash
Thanos Legionnaire Plate
Demon Tide
Slayer
Summa
Summa
Prowess
Tenuto
Quetzalcoatl [f6e6e6f6]
so this?
inland brook
damn looks like italys flag
stuck wyvern
Italy’s
opal sable
I'm surprised they haven't touched inferno yet
this has to be a troll
inferno was literally changed significantly like. very recently
and I can't tell if buff fanta or buff immo is a wilder take
latent ermine
immo should not be buffed
hoary chasm
buff kwetz
opal sable
right but like
shit like alka has been basically the same for what 4-5 years now?
inferno just got an entire rework
opal sable
?
hoary chasm
opal sable
yeah I mean in concept
hoary chasm
design wise the same yeah
opal sable
It's design has been the same since mythics were added as far as I know
west leaf
big stick big damage
opal sable
I also can't tell if that person thinks inferno is too weak or too strong lol
opal sable
especially given the buff immo take
hoary chasm
which is wacky
opal sable
they said "hasn't been touched"
which I usually interpret as "needs a nerf"
but idk I think inferno is too strong is a strange take too
opal sable
yeah
I mean it feels like the mythic level continuation of assassin tstack to me
sure, [redacted] and [redacted] are too strong but inferno itself?
(Bart has banned discussion of powder specials)
odd condor
(Bart has banned discussion of powder specials)
inland brook
is that nikocado avocado
odd condor
yes
rocky parcel
shit like alka has been basically the same for what 4-5 years now?
no actually
only about 3 years
correction, two and a half
(it was a very very very basic mythic weapon before this)
inland brook
(it was a very very very basic mythic weapon before this)
still is 💀
raven cedar
except every lootrunner under the sun thinking idol is "like warp"
opal sable
correction, two and a half
! forgor
drifting pike
alka's history has been weird
earnest junco
quetzalcoatl is not bad it's just that it can't really use demon tide or guillot...
Even ETFA quetz is bad compared to ETFA fatal or even gaia
earnest junco
but idk I think inferno is too strong is a strange take too
Inferno gets insane dmg thanks to only needing 5 tiers
earnest junco
sure, [redacted] and [redacted] are too strong but inferno itself?
But yes that's true
Inferno alone is like 1.5 times stronger than nonmythic tierstack which is fine tbh
Actually might be 1.5-2
earnest junco
alka's history has been weird
1.) "Help this is breaking the balance why can people get 100% damage resistance + all pos ele defs on warrior" -> nerf
2.) Good thing we nerfed it we will forever keep it the way it is to make sure it wont be as broken again (although the problem was old def formula and double/triple hive usage)
At leaat that's how it feels to me
dusky marsh
quetzalcoatl is not bad it's just that it can't really use demon tide or guillot...
quetz can use demon tide
?
FUCK GUILLOTINE i hate guillotine more than demon tide even though demon tide is stronger relatively
dusky marsh
does the neutral spell mean its supposed to be spell?
it means u can use either or both
tf
how is this confusing
i am not attached to quetz like i am to sunstar or grim but the fact that ppl think quetz sucks just baffles and perplexes me
hallow vine
demon tide moment
earnest junco
i am not attached to quetz like i am to sunstar or grim but the fact that ppl th...
Quetz is outclassed by other mythic wands
hoary chasm
Quetz is outclassed by other non mythic wands
earnest junco
True 😔
dusky marsh
society
opal sable
nah
quetz is definitely usable
ETA quetz is arguably the strongest speedrun mage build!!
hoary chasm
speedrunning what 🤨
opal sable
LI
hoary chasm
I would have guessed fatal would be faster but mage not gonna go that quick anyway so 🥱
opal sable
Fatal damage range is the issue
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_06W0mM0AZ0Qq0K02SL02d0ue0uy161V+m08161g00001031ZO
WynnBuilder build:
Brainwash
Sparkling Plate
Crestfallen
Slayer
Intensity
No Ring 2
Atlas
Abrasion
Quetzalcoatl [f6e6e6f6]
this is solid for normal gaming too
elder swan
ETA quetz is arguably the strongest speedrun mage build!!
What makes it better than warp
opal sable
usability
dusky marsh
ETA quetz is arguably the strongest speedrun mage build!!
really?
dusky marsh
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_06W0mM0AZ0Qq0K02SL02d0ue0uy161V+m08161g00001031...
ETW fatal shits on this
tempted to buy fatal again
every time ive owned fatal it was for like a day
the yearly impulse to buy fatal and speedrun LI is strong
*annual
opal sable
ETW fatal shits on this
that was not the build
its this
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_06W05W0PW0Qq-19c9X9X9X9X9X9m91-19c9X9X9X9X9X9m910FN0Ji0uy1a1pz+0H1B1g0000102MCC
WynnBuilder build:
Brainwash
Bete Noire
Leictreach Makani
Slayer
CR-19c9X9X9X9X9X9m91
CR-19c9X9X9X9X9X9m91
Enmity
Contrast
Quetzalcoatl [t6f6f6w6]
etw fatal has some practicality issues for speedrunning
west leaf
that is a very funny build
opal sable
this as weird as it looks is actually decently optimized for LI lol
assuming perfect tier bete
dusky marsh
assuming perfect tier bete
who do you take me for touhoku
i have EVERY item one could ever need to thoroughly enjoy sophisticated builds :hmm:
😼
dusky marsh
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_06W05W0PW0Qq-19c9X9X9X9X9X9m91-19c9X9X9X9X9X9m9...
why tf is there a water powder
dusky marsh
hmm
exotic perch
elemental coverage useful in LI speedrun
Non-Crit Average: 24286.72
5501.39 – 5501.39
5420.99 – 7893.72
1348.47 – 3595.91
529.27 – 646.89
2392.49 – 3382.49
4635.16 – 7725.26
Does having a little bit of elemental damage (~500 water damage) actually get good numbers for weaknesses?
Like does the water damage multiply by like 4 or something crazy? (I don’t know how elemental weakness work on mobs)
inland brook
it depends on how much elemental def/weakness the mob has. the attack speed of your weapon matters for spells
send the build
valid crystal
its like noise stream
if you hit a mob with -400 earth +200 thunder with an attack dealing 1 e 1 t and 300 w
it takes (1 + 400) earth + (1 - 200) [capped at 0] thunder + (300 + 0) water = 701 damage
so like
if you hit a mob which gets teabagged with eleweaks
cough cough elemental exercise cough cough ice barrows
if its weak by 50000 to earth
if you hit with 1 earth dmg its 50001 damage but 100 earth dmg is 50100
elder swan
Ele defs multiplicative when
inland brook
ele defs actually explained by elemental exercise when
rocky parcel
prolly never but hopefully not harshly mislead at some point
potent scroll
I want to do something with that
visual gyro
gravity actually good when
inland brook
wind prison actually good when
void mirage
mage better mythics when
void mirage
true
maybe like
buff some nonmythic wands?
cause there are some cool ones that would be great if they were more viable
hoary chasm
Mage has one of the cooler non mythic pools
It’s warriors and perhaps archers non mythic pools that need some love and attention and caring for
west leaf
mage has the most diverse non mythic pool
mythic is... alright
kinda generic but theyre not bad
rocky parcel
wand pool is the best or second best yeah lol
bows are mostly fine it's just really specifically a single bow that's way too fucking powerful
visual gyro
event horizon, manablast, luto aquarum 😋
god i hate the nothing though
and cascade
fuck those
void mirage
prest tstack when
earnest junco
Fatal damage range is the issue
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0u40RZ0JL0Qx0K00m60T40og0Qk0o11221G+T1g00001006CI
WynnBuilder build:
Guillotine
Medeis
Greaves of the Veneer
Stardew
Intensity
Soldier
Anya's Penumbra
Tenuto
Lament [w6f6f6]
That might also be good
Maybe even go for less ehp
You could also use yang yang prowess but I prefer 2 mana tp for easier conc maintaining while going to the next boss
opal sable
ws is a bit suffer but that should be fine with the mana
dmg is a bit lowend for speedrunning but good ehp and wff lament is pogger 😁
earnest junco
dmg is a bit lowend for speedrunning but good ehp and wff lament is pogger 😁
Dont forget about conc and courage ;)
opal sable
dmg is still a bit low end for speedrunning
earnest junco
32.1k meteor * mythic tomes
Hmm true I should use trift
opal sable
slow is also arguably optimal over sslow
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_01d0px0uj0Qx0Xr0Jf0K40OH0Qk0e112L0Z0+1g00001006CI
WynnBuilder build:
Anamnesis
Time Rift
Anxiolytic
Stardew
Prism
Breezehands
Prowess
Diamond Fusion Necklace
Lament [w6f6f6]
@earnest junco lol
earnest junco
slow? 👀
opal sable
30k boosted pre trift
yeah
assuming the cps is there
only req like 7 or smt bc mage moment
also anxio for the easier conc charge 😁
opal sable
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_07F0px0uj0Qc0Xr0OK0K40OH0Qk110y2C0Z0+1g10009I10009I10009I10009I1004fI
WynnBuilder build:
Caesura
Time Rift
Anxiolytic
Galleon
Prism
Diamond Hydro Ring
Prowess
Diamond Fusion Necklace
Lament [w6w6w6]
pretty similar to my old anxio lament build lol
this one is sslow tho
earnest junco
slow + -1 tier chestplate + -1 tier boots is great
opal sable
natural sslow my beloved
earnest junco
back in flapis era I used to use rainbow pande olily
brought olily to sslow with gravity + sempiternal
(morph stardust, gravity, vaward, sempiternal, draoi, flapis ring, pande, dfusion)
opal sable
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0690px0JL09p0OK0OK0OJ0uI0uQ110j211G0C1g00001000CO
WynnBuilder build:
Blue Mask
Time Rift
Greaves of the Veneer
Achilles
Diamond Hydro Ring
Diamond Hydro Ring
Diamond Hydro Bracelet
Eyes on All
Blossom Haze [f6f6]
simply claim it is enough mana
earnest junco
cycling vanish bomb multi bomb bomb (6 cps cycle) this needs 2 (vanish increased by 1 from double bomb before it) + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 8 mana per 2.5s
(8/2.5)*5 = 16 mana per 5s
6 mr per 3s = 2 mana per second = 10 ms per 5s
+5 natural mana regen per 5s = 15 mana per 5s
the build has 1 mana regen so you end up at 16 mana per 5s
earnest junco
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0690px0JL09p0OK0OK0OJ0uI0uQ110j211G0C1g00001000...
which is enough to support this build at 6 cps if you never skip a natural mr tick with vanish
earnest junco
simply claim it is enough mana
So if you carefully time your vanish it actually supports default cps 🥰
great build btw
just sadly relies on tomes for hp sustain
onyx zephyr
Touhoku where is your board member colour this is all wrong what is this
opal sable
Touhoku where is your board member colour this is all wrong what is this
i never had hero lol
onyx zephyr
this is wrong
opal sable
what how
west leaf
quick someone buy him hero
inland brook
i want it so wind prison might finally be used in 1% of builds
exotic perch
Simply courage only boost fire
rocky parcel
this is literally the same statement twice
dusky marsh
LITERALLY
dusky marsh
this is literally the same statement twice
you dont get it
west leaf
i want to nerf courage because i hate everyone else
rocky parcel
no i'm familiar with the meme format
dusky marsh
Simply courage only boost fire
i'd rather couage give resistance to the caster + nearby allies
but boost the caster's fire dmg
rocky parcel
it's just the same statement tho
exotic perch
i'd rather couage give resistance to the caster + nearby allies
I would rework too but we’re talking about nerfing courage
dusky marsh
no no bart
sometimes
well actually
my limbo
it'd look so much nicer
if it was powdered with e6s and/or t6s
raven cedar
I feel like they're related but not the same statement
dusky marsh
the fire low key is less pleasing to the eye
exotic perch
It would not
dusky marsh
I feel like they're related but not the same statement
yeah
exotic perch
The rainbow looks very nice
dusky marsh
what rainbow 💀
dusky marsh
i like anvil more
dusky marsh
You have red yellow green blue
where tf is the blue?
exotic perch
where tf is the blue?
Bro the whole fucking weapon is green and blue
Aren’t you the owner of this
exotic perch
yeah but you understand me now
exotic perch
or do you still not get me
dusky marsh
yeah but you understand me now
ye i think i do
exotic perch
good
rocky parcel
Bro the whole fucking weapon is green and blue
exotic perch
Anyway Bart code in orange and purple
dusky marsh
sell me your frontliner !
rocky parcel
i like keeping shit for keeping shit's sake but i would probably sell if if you can offer me some good LE because holy crap i want to own a few more rare items at least
rocky parcel
..do people really go that crazy over godly items
rocky parcel
mh i also kinda wanna start my own item collection
like a proper one
though i really don't know how much more wynn i'll be playing casually
dusky marsh
i have this for sale 😼
contact me in my discord's trade market channel
no more in da item discushion
earnest junco
i'd rather couage give resistance to the caster + nearby allies
+not stackable
dusky marsh
^
inland brook
warrers in shambles
earnest junco
..do people really go that crazy over godly items
No, everyone else will not care about ele defs and buy a better frontliner (max ls) for 2 LE
You really should take Blue's offer
opal sable
cringe
dusky marsh
No, everyone else will not care about ele defs and buy a better frontliner (max ...
everyone else aka non-collectors
earnest junco
everyone else aka non-collectors
Not necessarily true
There are many collectors who collect good items
Items with good main stat rolls
I think even among collectors the ones who care about ele defs are a minority
dusky marsh
yes
exotic perch
though i really don't know how much more wynn i'll be playing casually
Sell it
onyx zephyr
going to play Wynn professionally
dusky marsh
i am blue da snipa
exotic perch
Blue da sus
dusky marsh
omgus
raven cedar
hm
valid crystal
i wish we had more stuff with major ids
worst offender is probably roving assassin
but also like
magnet
heart of the pack
transcendence
sorcery
i mean slap sorcery on a tempo town item it would make sens
inland brook
sorcery melee
dusky marsh
i mean slap sorcery on a tempo town item it would make sens
would be pretty busted at-level i would think
valid crystal
isn't it only a 35% dps increase
dusky marsh
isn't it only a 35% dps increase
"only"
valid crystal
powder specs at lv 35???
inland brook
wind prison at lvl 35
valid crystal
or give it -hp
dusky marsh
nyeh i think the tempo town weapons are super strong already and dont need touching
valid crystal
or we could make rare mobs in time valley
make them drop the dagger like one specific mob drops sreggad
rocky parcel
i mean slap sorcery on a tempo town item it would make sens
there is no emote on this server that would properly describe my reaction to this
inland brook
🤪
onyx zephyr
🥩
hallow vine
why is there a yahya emoji
earnest junco
why is there a yahya emoji
Maybe Sohso (#twitter / ??? quest lore) was missing his brother
(I have no idea)
hallow vine
did sohso got killed on his way to fruma
earnest junco
did sohso got killed on his way to fruma
We dont know
We only know that he went to fruma to search a cure for his brothers because he's the only one who hasn't gone insane
That's a great background for a quest in fruma whenever it releases
So letting him die on his way there would be wasted potential
visual gyro
wait sohso is an actual character
earnest junco
Yes
hallow vine
ive watched wiki lore
earnest junco
At the end of ??? you can do a secret ending
hallow vine
wynncraft lore is good but canm be better
like bob has no personality we only knows hes a demigod
earnest junco
So letting him die on his way there would be wasted potential
+my brother would have to change his minecraft + discord name if @kind idol was confirmed to be dead
hallow vine
+my brother would have to change his minecraft + discord name if <@6405300660397...
ingo
u have a brother?
earnest junco
u have a brother?
2 brothers actually
hallow vine
2 brothers actually
is it fun having brothers
earnest junco
is it fun having brothers
Yes
It's like always being with your friends
We're spending most of our free time together
earnest junco
damn, that must be really boring
void mirage
whats the meaning of leictreach makani?
vagrant junco
rocky parcel
vagrant junco
🤷♂️
rocky parcel
damn gg
polar wasp
Thunder pants
valid crystal
thunder sanctuary
dusky marsh
huh
valid crystal
hey item team
question
when you make weapons do you factor in the powder slots into the base damage
raven cedar
ye they do
opal sable
yes
wicked juniper
they do but not all items do it very well
rocky parcel
it is a factor but it's still far from foolproof
valid crystal
would i be right in saying sfast weapons get hit hard cause people choose to put on water or fire powders instead of thunder powders
runic ferry
matter of perspective really
if you're putting fire powders on an sfast weapon you're probably rawstacking and courage will buff the damage a lot
whereas water powders give curse and is good for spell
raven cedar
courage does nothing for rawstack
but it is true that the base boost affects sfast more than sslow
visual gyro
yeah courage does NOTHING for rawstack on sfast weapons
also courage doesnt mean youre "probably rawstacking"
courage and curse dont decide what playstyle youre using
opal sable
would i be right in saying sfast weapons get hit hard cause people choose to put...
super fast weapons generally speaking get the best deal in wynn aside from eledef walling
polar wasp
mages with superfast weapons suffer hard, but very few weaps for mage are actually superfast
dusky marsh
spell builds with weapon powders crying rn
opal sable
vslow gets railed lol
valid crystal
this is terrible for cost effectiveness but eh t4/t5 powders are p cheap
is the meta for lower level powerlevelling finding sfast weapons and powdering them to t4 or a4
then using spell on it
dusky marsh
vslow gets railed lol
call me vslow 
valid crystal
would i be right in saying that thunder is purest damage earth is tanky damage air is damaging tank and fire is purest tank?
in general
ofc there exist exceptions (conflagrate)
but like earth tends to have more hp than thunder and air tends to deal more dmg than fire
opal sable
not exactly
void mirage
nah fire has endu courage which automatically boosts it far above air
earnest junco
nah fire has endu courage which automatically boosts it far above air
Air has dodge courage
Or dodge curse
It depends on the weapon
Hero easily outdamages guardian
Ignition easily outdamages zephra shredder
visual gyro
air weapons are typically stronger than fire weapons
not always but there are many examples
earnest junco
"stronger" as of higher base yes
visual gyro
even strati outdamages ignis
earnest junco
Well of course
visual gyro
its not better though but it does
visual gyro
guardian, monster, absolution, ignis, apocalypse all do little damage