#Item Discussion

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valid crystal
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which one is it

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is abso bad? is that what i’m thinking of

dusky marsh
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abso isn't bad but compared to immolation you could argue it is

hoary chasm
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As far as mythic reliks go abso is quite bad

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It’s nerf was a little too much imo

west leaf
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idk

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its always gonna be weird to compare "tank" or support mythics (or any items really) to more damage oriented ones

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as far as defensive and support capabilities go abso is pretty competent

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loses out in the damage department because of no specials though

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tbh there are times where i prefer an abso to a mage healer due to the aoe it covers

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but thats arguable as just class differences

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i dont think its as bad as people claim

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could use a buff sure but those 1k totem heals 😩

hoary chasm
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I think as a more defensive support item it seems to be geared towards it seemed unfair to remove its def especially being shaman

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like reducing the def it gives is alr but straight up removing 35def is quite abit

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iirc the rest of the nerf was reverting its damage and mana to how it was on release, but also reducing its hp

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the hp could have remained the same and def reduced and it would have been fair imo

amber spruce
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@hoary chasm

hoary chasm
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WHAT

amber spruce
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(important)

west leaf
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calluum

hoary chasm
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nipple

earnest junco
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Aftershock also is strong competition

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But for spell it certainly is the best

valid crystal
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link fil

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link works incredible

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so i had this idea for a weapon (its a bow because i main archer and dont know how to balance nonbows)

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which is basically get mana at the cost of all your life

valid crystal
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oh you know what this is
its just lament on steroids

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okay kinda lame idea then

earnest junco
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This is really different from lament

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sadly pretty weak

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Make it legendary and give it a bit higher base dmg

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or make it full earth so you can go for rage

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Mana steal is not really efficient on sslow atk spd

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so it's best to go for mana regen

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Sadly it has no curse/courage (sfast isnt worth it) so you dont only just have bad unboosted but also really bad boosted dmg

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The concept is very interesting tho

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gets good unboosted dmg but bad unboosted dps (since you cant cast many spells because you have to melee so much)

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You could remove the +tier -raw melee gimmick

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Or make it super slow so you also get good melee dps

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something like that still isn't good but good enough for rare rarity and definetly good enough to use it for the memes https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index.html#5_07F0u00D40Qt09q09q0K40BR02aCI-100008Voidsong0220401020590E060-21000F10M0201c0O010U0S010y0V01130W010E0b030-00c030-00d030-00e030-00f030-00g0722-21260m0331gK0vG0n0108X0u0201i7K0-033Us1Gcx120109d160z1f+Y1a1g100036100036100036100036100036
WynnBuilder build:

Caesura
Phantasmagoria
Dark Shroud
Revenant
Black Catalyst
Black Catalyst
Prowess
Gigabyte
Voidsong [e6e6]

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about the same (slightly less) base dmg but it's all in earth (-> rage) and has very slow atk spd

valid crystal
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i forgot to mention it was meant to be a sidearm in the same way you might dual wield haqheqphix

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i was trying to make it bad for ms by locking you into a sfast so you couldn’t just fire once and probably get mana

dusky marsh
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wtf

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rainmaker

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i miss my 98% overall rainmaker

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this is completely overpowered btw

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this thing with mana pots doom

dusky marsh
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my point is no drawbacks but life steal for spell

earnest junco
earnest junco
dusky marsh
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original i think

valid crystal
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oh it doesn't? thats bad the weapon isn't supposed to deal melee damage
do i have to -1209% melee it

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wasn't koh eo done with poison

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is the base too high? its supposed to be like haqherphix but can also kinda be used as a weapon
like dual wield this with voidstone lensing

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maybe i should either give it -15 int or lower the base air dmg to 50-140

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if theres no reason to melee i've failed in my task

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how much hp would a, say, efa or ewfa ignis build be willing to pay for a full mana refill

vagrant junco
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its stuck at sfast so its going to take a while for ms to even proc and ur gonna lose a ton of hp in the process

valid crystal
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yeah

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the build for it would be ewa with 0 mana sustain

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maybe i should remove the str req so it can be used in twa or wfa

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and remove the sfast gimmick but keep it at base sfast

earnest junco
dusky marsh
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homie

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1 melee = max mana

earnest junco
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It wasn't that strong (not olily levels) when I built with it but I didn't spend too much time on it

earnest junco
dusky marsh
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doesnt matter

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still max mana

earnest junco
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only if ms procs

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7.8% chance

dusky marsh
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yeah but the attack speed

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isn't your philosophy that you never miss a hit?

earnest junco
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Super fast means you have to melee a lot

dusky marsh
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yah?

earnest junco
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Many clicks on melee means less clicks on spells

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super fast means 4.3 cps

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for melee

dusky marsh
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6 CPS is the average

earnest junco
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with sslow 6 cps are roughly 2 spells per second

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(6.5 cps are 2 spells)

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with sfast 6 cps are 1.7 clicks on spells so about half a spell per second

dusky marsh
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oh the dmg sucks

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well

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it doesn't suck

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i just assumed it'd be higher

rocky parcel
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not to be that guy but does any amount of mana steal matter when you have like -4k life steal

west leaf
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simply do not proc life steal

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it really is just that easy

elder swan
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is this why u asked if they procced independently xd?

west leaf
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yes

elder swan
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ah yes so for super fast I'd guess there would be a decent chance of that happening

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but also a decent chance of proccing 2x ls before ms 💀

rocky parcel
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me when i see a group of mobs, melee hit thrice and lose all my health 😍

hoary chasm
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new rage proc for gma

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🥰

valid crystal
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hey ct people in the wynnic lore what would ice's stats be

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like is it high on hp or low in hp

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fast in atkspd or slow

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is it usually water/air

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wait lemme

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what elements is it
is it more spell or melee
is it more % or raw
is it more mr or ms
is it more hp or less hp
is it more ls? i know its usually -hpr
does it tend towards thorns? i know it tends towards reflection
is it +ws or -ws?
is it +spr or -spr?
does it affect sprint, sprint regen or jump height?
does it have higher base damage or lower?

rocky parcel
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yeh

valid crystal
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that doesnt tell me much

rocky parcel
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ok you got the water/air part right

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snow specifically is very much water/air, while ice can be both water/air or just pure water

valid crystal
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excuse me im in a sudden phase where im imagining getting a set of 9 flashfreeze items at once giving you ice snakes with vertical mobility 150% base dmg and permanent 1 mana
its not happening but i wanna make ice items

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bart was going to answer my questionairre but i mentioned my stupid idea and they left

west leaf
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like

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if ice was an element?

valid crystal
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like the theme of ice items

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i dont wanna make items then get told ice usually doesnt have lots of hp

rocky parcel
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i mean

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elemental identities certainly apply but most thematical element associations don't particularly have any specific associated stats different from the elements you're using

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so while snow/ice for example is convincingly spell-oriented and often has items on the more glassy spell side, that really doesn't mean that you even need lock yourself into just that, though obviously it would end up having to make thematical sense

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and even then, something like gaze from the snowbank exists, which is still very much snow-related but not even close to being water/air- if you want to purely look at elemental identity stuff it makes no sense but the thematical side ("getting trapped under an avalanche") (the CIB items are pretty scary thematically lol) does mostly work out

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basically, if you just want to make a snow set 2 with flashfreeze just take snow set and scale it upwards, but that's really not how limited these sorts of themes are

valid crystal
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cool thanks

west leaf
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shut up i will plagiarize a set under a different name

valid crystal
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wait cib has uh

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pulse starter/stopper

rocky parcel
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i am going to plagiarize nipnop's likeness (they are taking me to prison now)

valid crystal
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corr uth sandals

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brace of the ninth (whats that)

rocky parcel
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yeah the CIB items are thematically either about ice, or dying, or both

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(fun)

valid crystal
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desperation (dagger) closure (bow) final compulsion (wand) peaceful rest (wand) these are death right

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rune of safe passage (ring) and conduit or spirit (cp) are about passing on?
d

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whats nauticals about

rocky parcel
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crossing & conduit of spirit are also about dying yes

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rune of safe passage i'm not actually sure but probably as well too

valid crystal
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i actually dont see how gaze from the snowbank is trapped under an avalanche

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is brace of the ninth a reference to something im unaware of

rocky parcel
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:D

valid crystal
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csst is biblical while cur is flowers

rocky parcel
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and CUC is mythical

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corrupted lost sanctuary is, uh, sanctuary

valid crystal
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cls is the boring leggings we all needed

rocky parcel
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then i don't really think CIP or CDS have anything specifically unique to them theme-wise

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CIP is just kinda spider-themed and CDS is shitty0fire-air-weapon-themed

valid crystal
rocky parcel
valid crystal
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aurora borealis

rocky parcel
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Aurora Borealis? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your kitchen?

valid crystal
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Yes.

rocky parcel
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May I see it?

valid crystal
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Oh, erm...yes.

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don't hear me out:
making a +flashfreeze item at below level 31

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making a +rally item before level 11

rocky parcel
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we intentionally don't have many major IDs available at lower levels

valid crystal
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its magnet at 30 right thats the lowest

valid crystal
rocky parcel
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well no it's really just because we don't want people to not have some time to play around with their "normal" spells first

valid crystal
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is there a quest that sorta explains how id's work

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reward is a necklace with +Lightweight

rocky parcel
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thing is i really don't think identifications need explaining

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perhaps some nerd in a quest that gives you some tips on what is important in a build

raven cedar
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major ids are usually p clear

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reg ids can be confusing tho

hoary chasm
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I think people question how thorns/reflection and exploding work the most

valid crystal
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i would like to know the ways of hpr cancelling

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eledefs in a better ele excersise

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the fact mr ticks /5s and not /4s

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the way steals and atkspd combine

rocky parcel
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the thing is

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people don't need to know the exact way elemental defenses work

hoary chasm
rocky parcel
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or what their exact chances are of a mana hit proccing or with which caviats that is

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or the formula of natural health regen or some shit

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they just need to understand that something does something they roughly expect

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which, for the most part, is pretty obvious even from the name of the ids

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i don't think anyone's going to think "wow, i have 15% spell damage, i sure do hope this is going to increase my mana"

hoary chasm
rocky parcel
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stealing & exploding aren't super intuitive, but once one of them triggers it should be obvious

hoary chasm
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I could also totally see someone having thorns and reflection and getting confused on what probably reflection does

rocky parcel
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i mean, reflection is a pretty generic id

hoary chasm
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but if you also have an ID called thorns

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what would you expect reflection to do

rocky parcel
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fair enough

vagrant junco
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yeah for like my first year of playing i had no idea what the difference between thorns and reflection are

dusky marsh
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projectile protection

west leaf
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day x of asking for geocentricism armor

rocky parcel
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you know what im tired of not telling people just because i havent started on it yet

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i want to make major ids way more common throughout at least a lot more levels

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like, lightweiht is the only major id that's actually kinda existed properly so far

valid crystal
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lesgooo my flashfreeze items

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probably not them though

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magnet needs more coverage imo

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explosive impact deserves better than just sveil

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hmmm explosive impact on like
a earth/fire...leggings with............-1 tier? hmmmmm

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opens wynncustom

hoary chasm
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I can’t really see a good use for them as Explosive Impact is geared for tstack and losing a tier and leg slot would probs make it unfavourable

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Second wind + sveil will probs outclass it in all situations

rocky parcel
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ok that's an alright concept but would you please explain to me the relevance of -1 3rd cost %

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or sprint regen bonus

hoary chasm
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Would explosive impact be alright in 60-80 rawstack

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Hm

valid crystal
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the 3rd cost is because i main archer and i think of that as bomb but it’s also meteor and aura which is kinda like an explosion

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sprint regen is a flavour stat because i feel like it’s not widespread enough

west leaf
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major ids being more common through the levels sounds pretty interesting

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oh yeah uh speaking of EI what if we had an EI item specialized for heavy melee 😳

odd condor
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we do
its called stonewalker 3

polar wasp
earnest junco
earnest junco
valid crystal
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also the nol cloud rooms could you find a way to apply the +lightweight effect because taking 4k fall randomly is not fun

elder swan
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isn't that just part of the punishment for moving when the pogger is decaying?

still oxide
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ye ^

valid crystal
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no that’s the maze room everyone hates

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i’m talking about the clouds are decaying took

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and the step on the platform cloud room

elder swan
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ah, idk I usually spam movement spells in that room so I don't really know if you take random fall damage

valid crystal
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tiny change to vaward or prowess or gigabyte to stop rslapping on builds with negative sp: req 1 in all skills

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idk if its balanced but like if you were at 0 agi and rslapping vaward just allocate 1 into agi and use it

ivory schooner
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wouldn't that nerf it to bits?

dusky marsh
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please hadal and fantasia are so bad they deserve major IDs (iykyk)

vagrant junco
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then they would all be forced into rainbow

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i like my no req sp batteries to fix builds

valid crystal
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someone on the ct mentioned prowessslap was the worst thing to happen since vawardslap

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just make more 4 element +9 sp items /hj

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just a major id for some items with the appropriate lore:

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+Blast
arrows are bigger

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yeah thats jus

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make a major id that makes the hitbox larger

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there are some items that probably should get it like

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Soundwave

earnest junco
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Especially gigabyte which already is a very niche item

valid crystal
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maybe gigabytestays

rocky parcel
earnest junco
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Yes it is

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But 1 rainbow sp needed doesnt fit

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And it'd be a very harsh nerf

earnest junco
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imo prowess should lose its health or 1 in every sp

rocky parcel
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sounds reasonable

vagrant junco
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yeah i think it should lose 1 in all sp

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just bc all the other master accs have health

raven cedar
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buff intensity like

dusky marsh
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buff prowess like

hoary chasm
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Slap skill points on all itemz to make them gud Like

vagrant junco
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remove trifts int req like

dusky marsh
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Revert sorcery powder special stacking nerf he ain't do nothin wrong like

valid crystal
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for the several days or months i will take to make my flashfreeze can you not make flashfreeze necklaces

rocky parcel
valid crystal
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what’s the best way to hide a high tier item at low levels

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i’m currently banking on making it only drop from t3-4 chests in certain areas

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is that possible

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and then it’s fabled so low chance

neon sedge
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justice for time rift

hoary chasm
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i cant tell if people genuinely think it needs reverting

rocky parcel
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i would think it's about the fact that there was a change to sorcery that had significant impact on how powerful it was (doubly so with it commonly being used as the most powerful dps dealer & all that) without it being announced anywhere first

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personally i didn't mind it that much, but it was always going to be at the very least either this nerf to sorcery or a proper nerf to powder specials

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i do want to note though, with quite a bit of misinformation already flying around- you can still stack curse & courage. that's not been changed- powder specials simply have gotten the totem treatment of not being affected by sorcery anymore.

raven cedar
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also trift still makes powder specials proc more often bc melee dupes

earnest junco
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I even still (rarely) use it

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About as rarely as contrast

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That's more of a prowess-being-too-strong problem

raven cedar
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didn’t ask you

dusky marsh
elder nymph
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like

simple talon
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other players stacking

elder nymph
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ah

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what abt urself

simple talon
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yeah, should still work

elder nymph
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hu

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huh*

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interesting

simple talon
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Just that trift doesn't recast the specials themselves anymore

elder nymph
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so theoretically u could still stack 2-3 curses or smth?

simple talon
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so while you do get the benefit of faster charge speed you probably can only realistically stack 1-2

elder nymph
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mk ic

earnest junco
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Still busted

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Dont forget sorcery alone (ignoring powder specials) already multiplies your dps by ~1.42

simple talon
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yeah trift is still insanely strong

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Honestly even if it completely lost its +spell damage% id it would still be one of the best damage focused chestplates in the game

earnest junco
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imo they should also remove melee recasts

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It literally says it recasts spells in the tooltip

simple talon
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melee recasts are cool if anyone wants to do very chad epic heavy melee time rift build

earnest junco
simple talon
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honestly since powders aren't recast the entire issue turns back to powder specials being too strong

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but that's not time rift or sorcery's fault

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imagine if time rift was

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earnest junco
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True

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They should readd powder special recasts after they reworked curse and courage

earnest junco
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😂

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Anyway, no

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Please don't

simple talon
earnest junco
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Trift already is extremely hard to use

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No sp, no hp sustain, high req in an unfortunate sp (0 int spell tends to be better than non trift int spell)

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Neg mana

simple talon
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I know, I have bigger things to worry about than crashing the time rift economy further than it has already crashed

valid crystal
odd condor
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I'm very glad I rolled my own time rift instead of buying one

elder yoke
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eg: if you use bomb at cost 2, then t-rift casts it at cost 0, does the next cast cost 3 (ignoring t-rift cast) or 4 (implying t-rift replaced the 3-cost with a 0-cost)?

raven cedar
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mana burn is independent of trift

west leaf
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who got accepted 👀

hoary chasm
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nipple

west leaf
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calum

valid crystal
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WynnBuilder build:

Triple Point
Ice Shards
Impact Winter
Crunchy Snow
Cold Wave
Cold Wave
Snowdrop
Biting Cold
Heat Death []
item making isn't going amazingly well

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i do have more items because i don't want it to become like morph where you only have one choice

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the reqs i put on biting cold are brutal though

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rslap also isn't possible

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+Flashfreeze bow when

west leaf
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that helmet look kinda cracked

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that is a

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lot of sp

valid crystal
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balancing

sp given by the items enough so the build is wearable in the first place

the fact putting too much sp on the items would make them too good in standalone

having high enough reqs on biting cold (it used to be 130 int 120 agi) so that earlygame players can't put it on)

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tough

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i guess its kinda like the clock mystery

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the simple solution to the sp reqs: moontower
the small problem: moontower does not have +Flashfreeze

valid crystal
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is there ever a plan to add major id ingredients?

hoary chasm
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I would doubt it, giving the flexibility of one being on ings would be hard to balance right and likely end in some overpowered shtuff

valid crystal
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no crafted trift :devastated:

rocky parcel
dusky marsh
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Bart is lying

drifting pike
dusky marsh
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(I know)

drifting pike
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_ _

rocky parcel
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i would never lie to you

drifting pike
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you would lie to me

rocky parcel
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i would never.

drifting pike
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hold on where's all the shit where you said you'd look at my horrendously cursed stuff

void mirage
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oops i think i forgot to turn off ping

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anyways

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tweaking with some tp dps wand attempt i made some time ago

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WynnBuilder build:

Gale's Sight
Windshear
Paradox
Dawnbreak
Darksteel Ring
Agave
Prowess
Ambivalence
Dislocation [f6t6t6f6]

void mirage
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oh oops

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ill go fix that later

earnest junco
# void mirage https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/index.html#5_0ZP0JD0WD0QR0DU0uA0K40uY0BwCI-10000BD...

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WynnBuilder build:

Gale's Sight
Tesla
Dark Shroud
Hephaestus-Forged Sabatons
Darksteel Ring
Darksteel Ring
Atlas
Ambivalence
Dislocation [f6t6t6f6]

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If you get mana buffs in raids you might even use meteor 😳

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Heavy spell / tp spam hybrid??

void mirage
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0-0

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nice

rocky parcel
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archive prevention bump (hi guys is this thread even alive)

hoary chasm
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(no)

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(who are new ims)

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(did i miss them)

rocky parcel
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nope no new ims yet

zenith sinew
#

that means i have a chance to get accepted (1 word per question challenge)

hoary chasm
#

i didnt think to apply im just interesting in who they will be

valid crystal
#

not inspired enough to make it actually but

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wand with the same base as other classes but -spell% and either +20 heal cost or +4 heal cost

#

melee wand

rocky parcel
#

probably still a "not really" considering the availability of heal isn't the only thing making mage very good at melee- it also has by far the best melee attack, with much further reach than warrior/assassin/effectively shaman and still being proper aoe

valid crystal
#

also: how is spell archer balanced? i just looked at the numbers suddenly

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bows have higher base than most other things i think

#

and the spells are

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storm is 600% if all of them hit

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bomb is 250% but can be 750% if all three bounces hit

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shield rain is 200% per arrow and mostly you hit more than one arrow

rocky parcel
#

can't count the rare bounce going back into a mob for damage numbers really

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and arrow storm is supposed to be really high risk really high reward (until this was conveniently forgotten about)

strange oriole
#

question: do you guys think crabs is so good it deserves a nerf or is it balanced?

elder swan
#

too strong imo

strange oriole
#

so do u think it'll get nerfed?

elder swan
#

idk, I'd guess so but I am not in the item team ofc

strange oriole
#

hm

elder swan
#

what do you think?

polar wasp
#

Either by affecting the SP (increasing req + decreasing the SP given) or reducing the base health on crabs itself

strange oriole
#

a base health nerf would be 10x more appreciated rather than killing sp

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or req increase works too just touching +SP would just make the item useless

#

it's like if u take away weathered's major ID

polar wasp
#

Crabs basically has no downside

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I’m not saying they should change the SP reqs or bonus, just it’s an option they could take

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Since 30 SP is still quite a fuckin lot

hoary chasm
#

sp is stupid and dumb

strange oriole
#

but it's what makes the item be usable

hoary chasm
#

remove sp from all items C:<

polar wasp
#

💀

hoary chasm
#

blue mask gives ele def% now sorry

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all over

polar wasp
#

Static SP on items though was one of the best changes that could’ve been made

elder swan
#

crabs but -40% ws saltroll

hoary chasm
rocky parcel
#

the only item-devaluing change ever that was instantly received well lol

simple talon
#

I did not instantly receive it well but I was also incredibly stupid back then

strange oriole
#

Wait u could roll sp before?

simple talon
#

Yeah

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Good blue masks were like 1-15 stx

hoary chasm
#

I had a 90 sp bmask

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😼

polar wasp
strange oriole
#

Wtf

hoary chasm
#

Selling 15-16 sp prisms 2le e/a

simple talon
#

sp just needs to be reduced, both reqs and bonuses

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or at least, that would be a better way of handling that

#

idk if it's necessarily warranted at this moment

polar wasp
#

Why are some agi items super high req

simple talon
#

bad design Idk

polar wasp
#

Like conduit of spirit is super high req, for MS + damage?

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I’d love to use conduit in intless spell with strati but it just doesn’t have enough to warrant me using it

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It doesn’t contribute to the agi req of strati either 😔

torpid crow
#

ye conduit is well-known for not being worthwhile

polar wasp
#

Conduit would be amazing for intless spell with air weapons if it got -%cost, but I don’t see it getting -costs, not without any detrimental changes to offset -costs

torpid crow
#

oh it's you verioth, hey

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iirc when spell cost was new, I made a suggestion that higher req pieces would be useful for spell cost, since the sp investment naturally balances against intelligence

strange oriole
torpid crow
#

there aren't really good options for that

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your best choice is probably to run powder snow or courier's cape, depending on the situation

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neither are ms

simple talon
#

Silkweb mail 😤(not a good item but it's like decent?)

#

also petrichor

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Phantasmagoria if you're running ETWA

strange oriole
#

Fuck Phantasmagoria Nah I don't like Phanta cuz it limits the amount of modifications I can give myself with pots / raid buffs by giving - def

polar wasp
polar wasp
strange oriole
#

yeah

polar wasp
#

Plus even having say, 20 in 1 SP is a big boost compared to having none

strange oriole
#

my weath build is catered towards all content including raids

polar wasp
#

Most EFA builds that use elysium engraved aegis can usually swap elysium for dondasch

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And put the leftover SP into dext and get significantly more damage

valid crystal
valid crystal
#

is there plans for lower level hmelee support?

zenith sinew
#

no need for lower level hm support

#

builds only become truly relevant around level 70 (CoW, Bob, ToA)

#

and by then you have crystal coil like

valid crystal
#

but there’s hm weapons

#

low level building is kinda eh due to the lack of some items

#

also is it just me or do shamans have more spellcost and sprint modifier reliks?

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than other classes weapons i mean

elder swan
#

they do (were designed later is the reason afaik)

rocky parcel
#

if anything the opposite atm

rocky parcel
#

and we're intentionally keeping heavy melee from being a thing until relatively far into the game

west leaf
#

why the opposite

#

what’s wrong with kio’s idea I think it makes a lot of sense

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lower reqs: less need for sp slap and lower overall sp: less power creep required to match that same sp effectively taking the place of damage/defensive ids anyways

#

but you’re instead suggesting the opposite…?

hoary chasm
west leaf
#

@hoary chasm

hoary chasm
#

@west leaf

strange oriole
#

I have a feeling crabs is gonna become next mt

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Not in the sense of -sp

#

But more so extremely high req

west leaf
#

unsure what that has to do with my comment but sure

hoary chasm
earnest junco
#

Bomb also doesnt work well at longer range

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Since the first one has to land before casting a new one

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It also has the worst melee attack

earnest junco
west leaf
#

that would just be a buff for spell builds

earnest junco
#

Since you need an item like tenuto or eyes on all anyway

#

Only thing I can think of is ataraxy + crabs to bring fast weapons to sslow

west leaf
#

there is also trift

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even if it isnt a massive buff for spell it is a buff regardless

earnest junco
#

Trift and crabs usually arent combined

west leaf
#

and doesnt actually change anything for spell builds also taking advantage of crabs

earnest junco
#

Super niche to actually use the -1 tier for sslow

west leaf
earnest junco
#

Resu, heph, flashing boots, capricorn, ... are strong competition

#

Crabs just are too strong in melee

west leaf
#

capricorn as an item is used for entirely different purposes...

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i think it pairs too well with water mythics

#

its even usable with divzer...

earnest junco
#

There are many other powerful spell boots

strange oriole
valid crystal
strange oriole
#

although 1 -tier sounds like the perfect nerf for crabs (not biased cuz I don't use tstack crabs builds)

hoary chasm
#

(It sounds not like a perfect nerf)

strange oriole
#

(dnc please don't nerf skill points please)

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(anything but skill points)

#

(actually dont add -spell as well)

simple talon
#

Crusade sabagons will be nerfed by making it identical to moontower except it's for str/dex saltroll

strange oriole
#

I KNEW IT

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oh wait str dex what

#

u mean str def?

odd condor
#

s/ex

simple talon
#

You must play hyperglass

#

There is no alternative

hoary chasm
#

crab
def 30->20
str req -> 70

simple talon
#

crab
def 30 -> 0
str 20 -> 0

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🚎

west leaf
#

crab -> lobster

hoary chasm
earnest junco
#

☺️

hoary chasm
#

I love lobster sabaton

simple talon
#

I love lobster sabaton

earnest junco
#

I love lobster sabaton

strange oriole
#

I love lobster sabaton

zenith sinew
#

lob deez nuts at you

odd condor
#

I love lobster sabaton

rocky parcel
#

lobster salmon? don't mind if i do

earnest junco
#

What if stonewalker gave neg. tiers?

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Like -1 per buff

west leaf
#

I feel like raid buffs should never give negatives

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just from a design point of view

earnest junco
#

Considering its insane dmg boosts

west leaf
#

point still stands

earnest junco
#

And it's in raid buffs

hoary chasm
#

thats the only idea i can think of but i agree

#

its a raid buff

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not a raid change

#

a raid adjustment

#

a raid trollege

west leaf
#

I feel that is completely different to an actual negative stat since major ids aren’t inherently designed to be negative

valid crystal
#

if ophanim iii also gave +1k hpr or something maybe

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but then it would be op

strange oriole
#

Maybe 20 defence to complement guardian major to reduce dmg u gain from it

earnest junco
strange oriole
#

See here's the thing

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That's for people with generally low cps to be a good thing

#

For people with decent cps it doesn't make a difference

earnest junco
#

and still get higher dps

#

Currently you get >200k dps with full stonewalker in some builds

#

Stonewalker needs a nerf

strange oriole
#

Well I procc mana whenever doing 3rd spell
But tbf in all honesty yeah -tier would be a benefit for spell builds but a doom for melee builds

#

Most likely

#

The melee% in sw 3 is getting reduced

#

Along with raw melee

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Probably gonna be scaled for all SWs

#

Because they were made before s/ex changes

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And didn't account s/ex being accounted for in raw melee

earnest junco
strange oriole
#

Yeah but

earnest junco
#

See, if you can reduce it by the same amount of dps

strange oriole
#

It's just not scaled based on 1.20.3

earnest junco
#

But do it either by making it weaker or by adding -1 tier

strange oriole
#

So heavy melee was supposed to take a hit nonetheless

earnest junco
#

Then I'd really prefer the tier since you could just use +8 tiers tierstack for example

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And intrepid's +2 tier buff would also finally be useful

#

For +6 tier builds

#

Sw1 intr2 sw3

strange oriole
#

Legit just

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Make SW how it was supposed to be

#

By nerfing it based on 1.20.3

west leaf
#

what is the topic

#

again raid buffs really should never come with drawbacks

#

everyone knows stonewalker is busted

strange oriole
#

Nah nah we're discussing how to nerf it

#

Simple suggestion is

earnest junco
strange oriole
#

Scale dmg buff based on 1.20.3

earnest junco
#

So that already exists

west leaf
strange oriole
#

Ongod guard is a major ID

west leaf
#

major ids are a lot different than just purely negative stats that isn’t why they’re necessarily made

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in practice? maybe but it’s a whole lot different than throwing a negative tier on sw

strange oriole
#

Exactly

#

See the thing is

earnest junco
#

Eh see it like that:

strange oriole
#

SW wasn't nerfed along with 1.20.3

earnest junco
#

We reduce it by the same amount of dps

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Either by scaling the dmg or by adding a neg tier

strange oriole
#

So it's made to be decent for pre 1.20.3 builds

west leaf
#

also sw is literally getting nerfed but I think the buff fundamentally always should be a bit powerful

strange oriole
#

Which don't account str / dex buffs

west leaf
strange oriole
#

It's gonna go back to how it was before 1.20.3

earnest junco
#

First option would also really hurt the already-rather-bad heavy melee builds

strange oriole
#

Although SW does give raw melee

earnest junco
#

Cheru3 🚎

west leaf
#

I really hope stonewalker getting nerfed isn’t the extent of 1.21 raid buff changes

earnest junco
#

70 str dex is fair and balanced

#

With 70 def agi

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And 70 int

strange oriole
#

Shhhh

#

Don't make our baby go into too much notice

#

Cheru 3 my beloved <3

earnest junco
#

I think 30 each is fair for a NoL t3 buff

strange oriole
#

Nah 50

earnest junco
earnest junco
earnest junco
#

30 each = +150 sp

strange oriole
#

Tbh it'll still give me 150 def agi with my current builds

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So doesn't matter

earnest junco
#

Throne 3 for example gives 80 sp and a major ID

elder swan
#

mfw throne 3 is only useful if u play with a crippled build for 3/4 of the entire raid saltroll

west leaf
#

@elder swan

strange oriole
#

@elder swan

earnest junco
valid crystal
#

nol true tryhard meta probs involves bringing an int-spell build to the final room take throne iii and all the items have no/low intreq

earnest junco
strange oriole
valid crystal
#

unless you use trift and so don’t need seraph i

valid crystal
#

weird weird concept: buff shaman ls/ms proc chances to 40% per beam instead of 33%

#

or is that too op because shaman main also passes through stuff

strange oriole
elder swan
west leaf
#

@elder swan

polar wasp
earnest junco
#

No

valid crystal
#

what mIDs are purely negative?

#

i know geocentrism and flash freeze are generally considered negatives

vagrant junco
#

geocentrism would be super cool if the relik it was on was good in anyway

valid crystal
#

if geocentric aura kbed outwards

#

insane

strange oriole
#

Flash freeze is not a negative

#

It's just useless

hoary chasm
#

I donot think even if there was geocemtrism armour or a better relik that it’d be any good then

#

I see no upsides to it from a normal totem really and the downside is you are pulling mobs into the lowest base def class in the game

strange oriole
#

Geocemtrism on immolation?

hoary chasm
#

Immo needs a base nerf not this kind of nerf saltroll

raven cedar
#

the advantage of geo is not needing to throw a totem first saltroll

strange oriole
#

True

hoary chasm
#

geocentrism if it fully made you the totem with perm totem buff and heal

#

💪

rocky parcel
#

topic: has anyone ever used mana potions i'm dead serious i don't think i ever have

elder swan
#

I used them in lootrunning (so i can spam higher cost teleports) a few times.

candid ruin
raven cedar
#

I have not used mana potions ever

zenith sinew
#

i used them before i knew of spell cycling

#

and even then that was very rarely

#

they're mostly redundant anyways because no one makes a spell build w/ unsustainable costs outside of heavy spell or some shit

valid crystal
#

sometimes i bring pots to fights so if i screw up my cycle i just pop one

#

if you gave about-face geocentrism would it be good

#

ik it’s not leg fabled or myth

west leaf
#

geocentricism would unironically have usage against flying mobs if you had jump height

#

flashfreeze isn’t negative either it’s just kinda not good

valid crystal
#

why is it that they couldn’t’ve just left the length the same

#

was it too op for long range

west leaf
#

probably wouldn’t be

elder swan
west leaf
#

takes more time

#

and more limited

elder swan
#

Doubt

west leaf
#

truth

elder swan
#

Maybe if the mobs are at like 3jh range

west leaf
#

I can’t really think of many other instances where geocentricism would ever really be useful

#

that doesn’t change I want to use it on a not dogshit weapon, though

west leaf
#

actually I suppose geo could be neat against cci enemies but still intentionally putting yourself more at risk is like, the opposite of what shaman is designed around lol

#

also I remember around the time when flashfreeze was introduced according to colin it was never really intended to be anything big or serious

#

(which makes me wonder it was even made in the first place)

#

even magnet has use

#

(was also gonna say technically lightweight does too for archer but in the event escape actually is able to cancel fall damage effectively it would genuinely become useless)

valid crystal
#

wear four items get cheaper 4th with higher spell damage

#

wear six items get -5 4th spell cost +3 3rd spell and increase snake base to 70%

#

three items gets you longer snake

#

nine items and you become the master of ice beyond theorick

#

constant 1 cost 4th, 150% base, other op stuff etc etc

#

also: why is mage, the lowest base dmg class, saddled with a 30% damage spell

rocky parcel
#

flashfreeze was supposed to be this lower power major id similar to lightweight but it ended up being less impactful than expected once implemented

#

still, not enough reason to not have it be added

valid crystal
#

impactful
impact winter

rocky parcel
#

oh that

#

the flashfreeze items were made themed around eras that are very, very cold

dusky marsh
#

impact winter is actuallt cool though

#

regardless of the major ID

#

both cool and strong

rocky parcel
#

yessss i made it intentionally to be like that :D

dusky marsh
#

yooo you designed impact winter too??

#

goddamn

#

you've designed all my favourite items

#

minus like

#

lumina

#

and the guy who made sunstar

strange oriole
#

Average chad item designer Bart

drifting shoal
#

as long as he didn't design guardian major id he is cool 🙏

#

guardian major id is so unbalanced yawn

#

9m ehp in guild war

hoary chasm
#

Ohmygod it’s bean

west leaf
#

@hoary chasm

hoary chasm
#

Ohmygod it’s nipnop

#

Nopnop do you think they should give gales sight a tier so my epic build works (you do)

rocky parcel
#

:bruh::bruh::bruh::bruh:

hoary chasm
#

please make changes that pander to my building dreams

#

otherwise IMs bad

west leaf
#

i also agree you should make changes that explicitly fit how i personally see how the meta should shift

#

buff my items, nerf the rest

hoary chasm
#

thats the idea

strange oriole
#

Pleaae make all the items I have in my in player data mythics and extremely rare

rocky parcel
#

you got it

dusky marsh
#

buff lumina its bad

hoary chasm
#

This pretty niche not well known item “Vaward” doesn’t have enough sp these days, I thing 8x5 Is a little more balanced pls consider xox

strange oriole
#

Hello pls buff crabs it doesn't have enough dmg

dusky marsh
#

jokes aside

#

crabs actually give substantial damage thanks to its base strength

rocky parcel
#

topic: feeling kinda nostalgic, so: what parts about class building or items (system) do you appreciate most in wynn :)

#

for me it's probably that there's so much intricacy despite on the surface being a relatively concise system
very little superfluous things which has really allowed item design to peak and created a really unique and interesting way of customizing what you want and how you want to play i really haven't ever seen done as well in any other game

earnest junco
median trout
#

For me it’s the variety, after coming from hsb where there’s only one or two set metas the different playstyles are incredibly refreshing

earnest junco
#

I'm constantly building for over 3 years without running out of ideas for new builds

opal sable
#

100% agree with your take

earnest junco
#

I never played a game before where I could do something every day for years and still have new things to do

opal sable
#

it's very accessible but also intricate and has impressive depth for a Minecraft game

rocky parcel
#

the thing is that in my opinion, pure variety is not great, often even detrimental to games

earnest junco
opal sable
#

well supported and thoughtful variety is great

rocky parcel
#

specifically the way wynn is actually relatively simple yet creates such variety through clever design and usage of the thing that are there is what i really like and admire

latent ermine
#

shid how do i join a thread without having to type in it

rocky parcel
latent ermine
#

then immediately getting sat on!!!!!! ( i only play glass )

rocky parcel
#

i feel like it's a part that people barely ever talk about if at all

opal sable
#

sat on

#

it is nice that all of Wynn content isn't meta locked

latent ermine
#

i mean honestly class building feels like to me (a not very class building player) is like minmax city

opal sable
#

i.e. easy enough that you can do it with off meta picks

earnest junco
#

Dont forget about meme builds

simple talon
#

Wynn's movement kinda bangs

earnest junco
#

You decide on a gimmick

latent ermine
#

and some people are happy to just ask for a build, receive it, and never question it

earnest junco
#

And then try to make that gimmick as good as possible

simple talon
#

Wynn's movement is probably what kept me playing

#

if there wasn't all the movement tech and ability in the game I would've left

latent ermine
#

or from using 1hp gma in tcc!!!!!!!!!!!

opal sable
#

ingo don't min max challenge

earnest junco
#

Like stomping shaman (jump height + high haul dmg)

latent ermine
#

i hate archer movement

#

it randomly doesn't work when you're swarmed by mobs

#

so true

earnest junco
latent ermine
#

charge is 👑 though

rocky parcel
#

but wynn really is just 5 classes each with 4 spells which (generally) have somewhat general use but in a way that makes every class feel wholly unique with very few similarities in playstyle (which holds true even without strange changes that really limit players like vanish or cci), effectively three dozen ids and 5 elements that they're spread out over

opal sable
earnest junco
#

Yes

#

You always minmax in one direction

opal sable
#

no

#

you don't look

#

lol*

#

that's the point

earnest junco
#

You can either go for more dmg

opal sable
#

middle grounds exist

earnest junco
#

Or more ehp

rocky parcel
#

like, on the surface it's not that complicated
it's just intricate

opal sable
#

or more qol

earnest junco
opal sable
#

no you don't??

earnest junco
#

That's also minmaxing towards let's say 40k ehp

opal sable
#

exactly

earnest junco
#

When you say you want 40k ehp and as high dmg as possible

opal sable
#

that's the point 😭

#

none of it's objective that's the beauty

earnest junco
#

Yes

opal sable
#

there's always room for preference

#

nope

#

it is more expensive!

rocky parcel
#

ok new rule

earnest junco
#

As a classbuilder all we can do is to try to make builds based on what others tell us :)

opal sable
#

lower ehp!

rocky parcel
#

no arguing that other people are wrong in enjoying things >:(

latent ermine
#

i agree

elder swan
#

Basic leather helmet vs lv 100 brilliant diamond helmet 😭

earnest junco
#

Like when someone wants spellsteal shaman 50k ehp as high dmg as possible with at least -10% ws and enough mana for 8 cps then we can make a build based on that

#

And then we can try to minmax a build fitting those criterias

#

I generally use higher ehp builds because my internet isnt stable

#

5 second lagspikes where nothing is moving arent uncommon for me

#

And I generally want to survive those

opal sable
#

I generally use lower ehp builds because they are funnier

#

(I will die)

latent ermine
#

i am extremely based and think optimal builds are builds that get as much damage with just enough sustain to keep that damage going for a reasonable period of time
generally though they end up as burst builds which is a more realistic playstyle for very very glassy builds since you can just stand in the same place face tanking things

earnest junco
latent ermine
#

i know i am "wrong" in many aspects about what a build should be like though

earnest junco
#

Also tanky means like

#

At least 40k ehp

opal sable
#

30k :)

latent ermine
#

honestly

opal sable
#

so true

earnest junco
#

That's usually fine on mage shaman archer

opal sable
#

this is why divzer sucks

latent ermine
#

1hp gma is really really good

opal sable
#

it cannot dodge every hit with skill

latent ermine
#

i wish there were more earth weapons that could use rage as well as gma

opal sable
#

wtf there are!

earnest junco
latent ermine
#

its a shame since i think rage is so fun to play . . .

opal sable
#

black amaranth

#

😁

latent ermine
#

black amaranth when

earnest junco
#

50k pre-warscream

latent ermine
#

😭 it doesnt do 5000k uppers

opal sable
#

SO true carrut

#

I had to drop delirium though

#

for Masters gi

earnest junco
#

You're the opposite of me

opal sable
#

reasonable!

earnest junco
#

I dislike playing archer with more than -20% ws

opal sable
#

no for usability

latent ermine
#

for glass i think walk speed is almost required to be viable

opal sable
#

needed the mr and no -ls

earnest junco
#

I generally prefer having -30% to +30% ws on classes that arent archer

#

EF dmg, hpr %

opal sable
#

plus it's super classy

earnest junco
#

Lvl 89 iirc

latent ermine
#

maneuverability is extremely key to surviving with glass so i usually aim for always like +10% ws at the very veyr ery least

opal sable
#

leather >>

earnest junco
#

And it's black

#

Fashion

#

Damn

opal sable
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I like >60 on warrior

earnest junco
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I couldnt imagine only playing one class

latent ermine
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i'll take all i can get on warrior

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unless its trift tcrack

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i dont care about ws on trift tcrack

earnest junco
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For travelling

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And charge spell is faster than +200% ws

opal sable
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yeah not for travel

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for gameplay

earnest junco
latent ermine
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for bosses where you're going to be bobbing and weaving a decent amount like tcc, using charge is just gonna get your ass ripped apart in half

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since you're gonna be sent straight into an arrow storm

earnest junco
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Infernal impulse

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Used statue for higher ally heals

latent ermine
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i've done a run with statue gma

earnest junco
latent ermine
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idk statue and glass dont go well together

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i dont have much experience with any build with over 20k ehp so

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i never really, ever, used statue

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other than the meme rage statue gma run

earnest junco
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Rage statue...?

latent ermine
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nothing short of ass

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it was all a joke since i was temporarily bugged and had no -ws

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but it got fixed the moment i got into tcc

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so it was just a terrible experience

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i honestly hate crabs

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its a beautiful looking item but

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its whole purpose of making any glass build just immediately semi-tanky

west leaf
latent ermine
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i personally think LI requires you to have at least some well-thought out build

earnest junco
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Instead of "ignore hpr" write "use everlasting tomes if you dislike neg. hpr"

latent ermine
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which could be seen as meta

earnest junco
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I am at

west leaf
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content also being relatively easy enough to do with ""worse"" items leads to differing standards of stat balancing and what should be expected from tougher content like raids

earnest junco
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8 mythic 2 everlasting

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Kill me

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Depends

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If you have high % hpr everlasting gives more sustain

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Like for 0 sustain hero when you want to use tomes for sustain it's better to use everlasting

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But for things like TFA tcrack oc vampiric is better

west leaf
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omg i use 0 sustain hero with two everlasting tomes!!!

earnest junco
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There is no % life steal

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With +0% hpr

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Yes

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Just saying, everlasting can be better

earnest junco
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And yes

latent ermine
earnest junco
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Especially for cancelling neg hpr everlasting is a godsent

latent ermine
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nipo how would you personally look at things if you were put in charge of raid balancing?
like what would you do

west leaf
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i would delete raids

latent ermine
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thats so sad

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i love raids as a concept :(

earnest junco
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I would make different raid difficulties

west leaf
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idk, honestly ive come to appreciate current raid stat balancing more over time

earnest junco
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Higher difficulty = higher dmg numbers but also highe rewards

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With the hardest difficulty needing perfect play

latent ermine
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but wouldn't that make it much much harder for glass builds

earnest junco
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(so basically being impossible)

earnest junco
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You'd queue and then pick a difficulty after finding a party

latent ermine
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i wish some damage numbers were more of a percentage of your base hp

earnest junco
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Not if the hardest one is too hard

latent ermine
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rather than just flat ball-damaging damage numbers

earnest junco
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Alright then make it like LI

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After finishing the 1st one you can go on

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To the 2nd one

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Then 3rd

latent ermine
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if some things like arrow storm were limited to deal at most like idk 60% of your hp then that'd make some things more bearable for glass players

earnest junco
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Etc

latent ermine
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because like for some people they'll get stun locked by a mobs arrow storm and have literally no chance at all to heal or anything since they get killed way too fast

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this is getting off topic from the Item Discussion thing though mb

rocky parcel
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i will invoke the powers of the topic to expel you
stoy on toypic!!
staya on topic!!
PRAYFORYOURSOUL

latent ermine
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yeah mb

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can we pwease get mythic earth spell relik

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pwease

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i want rage shamoon 😭

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aftershock spell is
toxo spell is

ripe olive
rocky parcel
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you are banished to the shadow realm

rocky parcel
ripe olive
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WTF

ripe olive
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makes you have to use more than one brain cell to find out what synergies the best

void mirage
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introducing: sp slappage

valid crystal
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yk how shaman reliks have so many cool oddball properties (like how there’s no overdrive or silent ballet) that other classes don’t (archer has a grand total of one sprint boosting bow - epoch, and that’s a mythic, and there are 0 sprint regen bows)

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sprint regen is limited to three weapons: a mythic convergence and two reliks

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sprint is limited to four weapons: epoch and the two reliks with sprint regen, and one more relik

vagrant junco
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thats because those are still fairly new stats

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same thing with jump height

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iirc they were added same update shaman was

opal sable
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^

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weapon revamp kinda hasn't happened yet

dusky marsh
ripe olive
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@dusky marsh

dusky marsh
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@rapid flax

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wuh

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@ripe olive

ripe olive
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lmao ping fail

rapid flax
rapid flax
ripe olive
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@Naughty#8915

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WTF

valid crystal
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having said that, are there water weapons that are primarily melee?

raven cedar
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in

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in-

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infidel

west leaf
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isnt there some rare water dagger with high melee base

visual gyro
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cataract but i think it has pretty low base anyway

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i couldnt make a single decent build with it

ripe olive
valid crystal
raven cedar
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twas a joke

valid crystal
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it has really high base dps after factoring in the 3 tiers but like its also archer melee so yk ;-;

raven cedar
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water melee moment

rocky parcel
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archival prevention bump

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there's an item creation contest happening

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you guys should check it out

visual gyro
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winner gets into the item team (real)

rocky parcel
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item team (derogatory)

dusky marsh
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winner gets full funding for a furry costume (real(

raven cedar
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omg promotion

raven cedar
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ooo many new entries :D

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8 new entries in the last like 24 hours wow

void mirage
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yo when does it end

dusky marsh
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tomorrow

raven cedar
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^ about 26 hours from this message

rocky parcel
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@opal sable

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de-archive btw

dusky marsh
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@opal sable

opal sable
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@opal sable

west leaf
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@opal sable

odd condor
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@opal sable

exotic perch
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@opal sable will cspring be nerfed

void mirage
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have the results for the item contest been posted yet

earnest junco
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@touhoku I believe in you (you will bring peace to the world by buffing tidebinder, ivory, crimson and the like)

raven cedar
inland brook
raven cedar
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monday

exotic perch
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Is aftershock actually being nerfed or is this a rumor

inland brook
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have balance changes been leaked?

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either way i wouldnt be surprised if it gets nerfed since its really strong right now

latent ermine
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considering its the strongest melee weapon in the game as a mf low level item 💀

inland brook
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ashock prices if stonewalker gets nerfed 📉

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actually same with a bunch of tier stack weapons

rocky parcel
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see the thing is i can't exactly confirm or deconfirm any rumours because that's such an easy way to gauge if we have made a change or not

latent ermine
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i will mind control you to forcefully nerf ashock

rocky parcel
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but i can say that i've heard of quite a few item change rumours and literally none of them have been accurate past the extremely lukewarm prediction of "specific extremely powerful and commonly used item will get nerfed guys i'm telling you"

west leaf
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🗨️Wybel

exotic perch
inland brook
exotic perch
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holy shit

raven cedar
exotic perch
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I would like to see underpowered item get omega nerfed

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and then an overpowered item get buffed af

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we need imbalance, we need chaos!

hoary chasm
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Nerf miner

valid crystal
dusky marsh
dusky marsh
exotic perch
dusky marsh
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die

inland brook
valid crystal
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why does divzer push you to 152 dex

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why did the item team give divz 37 dex and a 115 req

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buff divz req to 113

simple talon
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So you can use epic void particulates (real)

dusky marsh
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this is so epic and crazy and epic