Item Discussion | Wynncraft • MMORPG Minecraft Server | Page 5

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:50 PM

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So freedom also just cant keep up anymore

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Spring is much better

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:50 PM

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https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/index.html#4_07R0px0JL0Qr0TQ0uN0OJ0Ji0Qv1I-E2C1V001g00001004fI
WynnBuilder build:

Cancer֎
Time Rift
Greaves of the Veneer
Resurgence
Draoi Fair
Ataraxy
Diamond Hydro Bracelet
Contrast
Spring [w6w6w6]

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Something like cancer trift gotv resu draoi ataraxy dhydro contrast

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:50 PM

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this is yours right

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:51 PM

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Yes

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:51 PM

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i just thought of the damage as kinda low so i dismissed it

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but yeah ig rift

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and curse

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just considering which mythic to get next thats all

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whats your opinion on sunstar

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:51 PM

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soft matrix i just thought of the damage as kinda low so i dismissed it

Avg +656% spell dmg from trift and constant +150% water dmg from conc

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It gets really good dmg

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While also being very tanky

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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and that hpr

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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soft matrix whats your opinion on sunstar

Too glassy

elder swan Nov 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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sunstar is in a sad spot with slayer nerf

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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i dont really understand the reasoning behind slayer nerf

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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soft matrix https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/index.html#4_07R0px0JL0Qr0TQ0uN0OJ0Ji0Qv1I-E2C1V00...

Avg 89.7k storms, 37.7k bombs
On top of that sorcery to cast even more spells

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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soft matrix i dont really understand the reasoning behind slayer nerf

Slayer was really good in fast hybrid shaman

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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i guess thatll be my next mifik

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Still is

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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earnest junco Slayer was really good in fast hybrid shaman

i dont think it was overpowered though

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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soft matrix i dont think it was overpowered though

That's not the problem. It was dominating fast hybrid

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And the IMs dont want boots to dominate a whole build type

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So they nerfed it

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Which didnt change anything but whatever

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Still completely dominating with high hp, high sp, tier, raw melee and spell cost

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:55 PM

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about to remove the ats

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:55 PM

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soft matrix about to remove the ats

That'd kill it

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:55 PM

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yup

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Current slayer is fine

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You can still easily reach 1 mana aura if you know how

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Slayer + Insulated plate mail

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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yup

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Slayer + sparkling plate + conflagrate

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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still dont like the nerf

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Slayer + sparkling plate + dragons eye

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Slayer + demon tide

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Slayer + new busted FA relik

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Immoliation?

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:57 PM

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immo isnt used with slauer

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atleast i dont see that anyways

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 10:58 PM

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soft matrix immo isnt used with slauer

It is

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 10:58 PM

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i always see Hephaestus

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then larlapis

elder swan Nov 21, 2021, 11:02 PM

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mfw conflagrate & insulated plate mail all suck for sunstar 😦

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 11:03 PM

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@soft matrix https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_06W0L30D40Qq0OQ0DU0K40og0u+0r1V-J2P271g00001006CU
WynnBuilder build:

Brainwash
Hetusol
Dark Shroud
Slayer
Diamond Solar Ring
Darksteel Ring
Prowess
Tenuto
Immolation [a6f6f6]

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+can replace tenuto with gigabyte anytime if you feel like using fast hybrid

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= if you get stonewalker in TCC

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 11:04 PM

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earnest junco <@436197044399505419> https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_06W0L30D40Qq0OQ0DU0K40og0...

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_0K90J-0Ig0Ju00sCI-10000GLarzLapiz Ring0270540M0201f0V021160k0200Z1100sCI-10000GLarzLapiz Ring0270540M0201f0V021160k0200Z1100wCI-10000KLarzLapiz Bracelet0270550M0201f0V021160k0200Z110og03LCI-10000AImmolation010JWho did this 02504010305B0A07200-4400C07310-3300F20M0201b0N40R0201G0S0201G0W010o0X010o0b030-00c07230-4760d030-00e07310-3300f030-00g030-00i0233g1+0w023ttU510010Ex11023KKAy12010Ex1E013GU-Y1iyG22221g00001006CO
WynnBuilder build:

Sparkweaver
Insulated Plate Mail
Gemini
Hephaestus-Forged Sabatons
LarzLapiz Ring
LarzLapiz Ring
LarzLapiz Bracelet
Tenuto
Immolation [f6f6f6]

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Crafteds

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 11:04 PM

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its just larlapis wahhgone

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 11:05 PM

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Never compare 0 crafteds to 3x crafteds

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 11:05 PM

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also nicer eledefs ig

elder swan Nov 21, 2021, 11:05 PM

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"just"

earnest junco Nov 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

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soft matrix https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_0K90J-0Ig0Ju00sCI-10000GLarzLapiz%20Ring0270540...

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#5_0qn0L30Ig0Qq00sCI-10000GLarzLapiz Ring0270540M0201f0V021160k0200Z1100sCI-10000GLarzLapiz Ring0270540M0201f0V021160k0200Z1100wCI-10000KLarzLapiz Bracelet0270550M0201f0V021160k0200Z110og0u+001Vyk252B1g00001006CU
WynnBuilder build:

Unravel
Hetusol
Gemini
Slayer
LarzLapiz Ring
LarzLapiz Ring
LarzLapiz Bracelet
Tenuto
Immolation [a6f6f6]

soft matrix Nov 21, 2021, 11:08 PM

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yeah i can see that

rocky parcel Nov 22, 2021, 1:23 PM

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slayer nerf was really just because it's one of those things preventing spell costs from working in the future

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if that makes sense

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weve been rly lax in actually working on that specifically but the idea is that spell cost becomes less uber restrictive or extremely individual if that makes sense

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which kinda is extremely difficult when literally any spell cost item plus slayer already makes free 3rd spell cost

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again tho would make more sense if we werent slacking off on that and it came out like at the same time haha

soft matrix Nov 23, 2021, 6:39 AM

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ok but orange lily

zenith sinew Nov 23, 2021, 6:40 AM

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so true

soft matrix Nov 23, 2021, 6:44 AM

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orange lily is just dumb

hoary chasm Nov 23, 2021, 6:55 AM

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so true jalum

pure sinew Nov 23, 2021, 11:40 AM

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actually dont nerf olily
i just got it

soft matrix Nov 23, 2021, 1:02 PM

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pure sinew actually dont nerf olily i just got it

olily takes 0 effort to get 💀

ivory schooner Nov 23, 2021, 4:44 PM

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also roulette

soft matrix Nov 24, 2021, 12:27 AM

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nerf olily

vagrant junco Nov 24, 2021, 12:30 AM

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so true

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please nerf olily

proper egret Nov 24, 2021, 1:36 AM

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nerf itttt

soft matrix Nov 24, 2021, 1:54 AM

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fix archer melee 👉 👈

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 2:04 AM

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even if archer melee was fixed its still single target ballz

soft matrix Nov 24, 2021, 2:12 AM

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hoary chasm even if archer melee was fixed its still single target ballz

what

vagrant junco Nov 24, 2021, 2:18 AM

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no aoe

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all the other classes can hit multiple targets at once

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but archer cannot

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which makes it really struggle against groups of enemies

mortal hearth Nov 24, 2021, 2:20 AM

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Isn't that just apart of class design

soft matrix Nov 24, 2021, 2:21 AM

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vagrant junco no aoe

yes i know that but he said its single target is bad

vagrant junco Nov 24, 2021, 2:21 AM

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yes he was saying that archer is single target i think

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and that other classes can multi target

soft matrix Nov 24, 2021, 2:21 AM

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i mean thats fine but like for the love of god fix archer melee

vagrant junco Nov 24, 2021, 2:22 AM

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this is part of the problem lmao

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archer has no aoe, naturally shoots slower than other classes, and arrows get blocked by invisible armor stands

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all problems with the class itself that makes its melee bad

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 2:45 AM

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yes

proper egret Nov 24, 2021, 3:34 AM

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what if we fix warrior melee ☺️

proper egret Nov 24, 2021, 4:38 AM

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where do i even start

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every other class does it better

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warrior is incredibly clunky and despite being marketed as a frontline fighter it can barely do shit

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its damage is subpar at best and it has no movement options to escape in case it needs to

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there is no reason to specifically play warrior melee

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shaman actually gives a benefit of being up close and personal with your enemies in the form of hitting it with your 3 beams

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mage and archer are able to melee at range (but archer melee has its own problems, and "its not archer" isn't really a reason to play warrior melee)

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mage's melee attack is also insane

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and assassin has the ridiculousness of vanish buff

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vanish is also much more useful because it untargets mobs from you

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if for some reason you need to get outta the way then archer can escape

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teleport and icesnake are insane at crowd control, the best in the game hands fucking down

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shaman doesnt have the easiest time escaping but at least it gives a benefit for playing close melee

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also sfast lifesteal sucks ass, the only way to make sfast melee with sustain is to play mage or use greed

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 4:56 AM

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warrior gets base defence and good weapon poola for melee

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its genrally fine

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i dont see an issue with it unless you think it deserves more damage than it should

proper egret Nov 24, 2021, 4:58 AM

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i think esp with endgame content base defense doesn't do you all that much good

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of course its nice to have

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but whats really important is that you can kill shit before it kills you

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flashbacks to bottom of tcc room 3

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or just anything in nol

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and i still dont believe theres anything warrior melee brings to the table that assassin doesnt

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:00 AM

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if you want to look at raids tcc eliminates weapon pools as once you have SW3 swag

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base defence is still considerable

proper egret Nov 24, 2021, 5:02 AM

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but you dont get sw3 till after the pain room

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im talking pre op buff

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:02 AM

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pain room being top bottom?

proper egret Nov 24, 2021, 5:02 AM

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yes

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:02 AM

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the mobs there have like

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less than 100k hp

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theyre fine

proper egret Nov 24, 2021, 5:02 AM

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they have like 200k wtf

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:02 AM

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i thought they had like 90k

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even so

proper egret Nov 24, 2021, 5:03 AM

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idk i just have flashbacks to getting gangfucked by everything while on melee apoc

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maybe im bad

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:03 AM

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raids arent great for saying this feature of class badt as you get buffs unrealistic to normal class usage

vagrant junco Nov 24, 2021, 5:12 AM

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just use alka smh

mortal hearth Nov 24, 2021, 5:12 AM

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hoary chasm warrior gets base defence and good weapon poola for melee

Not non-mythic...

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:12 AM

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yeah

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its non mythic pool is fine too

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for melee

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less so for spell

mortal hearth Nov 24, 2021, 5:13 AM

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No

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:13 AM

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yes

vagrant junco Nov 24, 2021, 5:13 AM

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just use tstack undying or hm praes

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:13 AM

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mhm both good options

vagrant junco Nov 24, 2021, 5:14 AM

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i have used them both in the past and they work great

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or just use ur quest money to buy an apoc build

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might aswell be nonmythic

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 5:16 AM

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quinque cstack not great but works
as is tstack helm splitter

earnest junco Nov 24, 2021, 5:09 PM

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hoary chasm quinque cstack not great but works as is tstack helm splitter

(no powder special = bad for raids tho)

hoary chasm Nov 24, 2021, 7:39 PM

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I was still speaking in general

silver comet Nov 30, 2021, 12:28 AM

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tbh i think nonmythic warrior tstacks are a bit weak right now but mythic tstacks are fine imo

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(compared to other tstack classes at least)

rocky parcel Nov 30, 2021, 1:12 AM

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there's a super slow mythic -> there's a good tierstack mythic pretty much

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nonmythic tierstack spears are honestly quite alright if a little limited tbh

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you're probably just used to the literally bred for tierstack cracked daggers we have

raven cedar Nov 30, 2021, 1:57 AM

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I mean there’s like

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rikter? helm splitter?

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and not much else

still oxide Nov 30, 2021, 2:21 AM

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raven cedar rikter? helm splitter?

undying

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and iirc one more

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but can't remember it

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might be wrong though

earnest junco Nov 30, 2021, 9:00 AM

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silver comet tbh i think nonmythic warrior tstacks are a bit weak right now but mythic tstack...

Yes, we need a good tierstack spear

Undying is nice and all but it just doesnt do enough dmg - maybe a dmg buff and -1 tier atk spd?

earnest junco Nov 30, 2021, 9:01 AM

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still oxide and iirc one more

No, that's it for tierstack

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Undying for tierstack and skien's madness for cancelstack

proper egret Nov 30, 2021, 3:32 PM

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silver comet (compared to other tstack classes at least)

m a g e

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i mean you have like compiler for mage ig?

still oxide Nov 30, 2021, 5:18 PM

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earnest junco Undying for tierstack and skien's madness for cancelstack

oh yeah i was thinking of skien's for tstack too for some reason

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mb

ivory schooner Nov 30, 2021, 7:02 PM

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cancelstack is so dead :(

elder swan Nov 30, 2021, 7:04 PM

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true

also raid buffs still haven't been touched

ivory schooner Nov 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

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yup

drifting shoal Dec 1, 2021, 3:41 AM

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proper egret m a g e

gaia

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galloping spurs gaia tstack

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💪

proper egret Dec 1, 2021, 3:52 AM

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drifting shoal gaia

nonmythic

still oxide Dec 1, 2021, 4:04 AM

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eidolon 💪

rocky parcel Dec 1, 2021, 7:24 AM

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compiler is a lot better than people like to give it credit for

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obviously it's still not great at tierstack, maybe not even good depending in the stanfards you use

still oxide Dec 1, 2021, 7:54 AM

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ye fff is better

proper egret Dec 1, 2021, 8:14 AM

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compiler is fine

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yeah

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eidolon is kinda balls tho

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actually its not that bad

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both can use armor powders to augment their dps

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i havent seen an eid build with over 30k dps boosted tho

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but few nonmythic mage weapons in general are able to reach that so its kinda whatever

proper egret Dec 1, 2021, 8:17 AM

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proper egret i havent seen an eid build with over 30k dps boosted tho

but for tierstack boosted 30k is ppfart

rocky parcel Dec 1, 2021, 8:39 AM

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do remember that mage has the best tools for melee and the best melee in general and all that stuff

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i do not perceive vanish. it simple doesn't exist

rocky parcel Dec 1, 2021, 12:43 PM

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i'm pretty sure sonicboom has really high base damage in general

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but yes i've seen the meme

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i could get into this quite deep if you want but i gotta catch the train lmao hold on

proper egret Dec 1, 2021, 8:06 PM

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mage has the

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second best

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melee kit

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best base melee attack tho

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by a longshot

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not base damage

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but like

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the attack itself

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the beam

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yeah best base damage is assassin probably

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true

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its attack pattern is balls tho

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ah true

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wait really

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most boosted damage?

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like

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more than limbo?

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with courage ks vanish

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dom

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wow

amber spruce Dec 1, 2021, 8:55 PM

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If you can click fast assassin is probably more but 🤷‍♂️

earnest junco Dec 1, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Aftershock just is busted

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IMs: We cant give alka powder slots, it'd be too strong.

Also IMs: create aftershock

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Higher unboosted dps ✅
Higher boosted dps ✅
Higher raw hp ✅
Higher ehp ✅
Higher raw hp sustain ✅
Higher ehp sustain ✅
Higher ally dmg buff ✅
Higher ally heals ✅
Worse in wars because of iframes ❌

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There is this one single reason why alka prices are high

still oxide Dec 2, 2021, 1:07 AM

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cope

raven cedar Dec 2, 2021, 1:38 AM

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cry about it

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dont forget shaman sveil !

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aftershock sveil can reach upwards of 600k dps

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yeah each beam causes an explosion

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so triple explosions up close

vagrant junco Dec 2, 2021, 1:53 AM

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wtf

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that works

proper egret Dec 2, 2021, 2:17 AM

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jesus fuck

earnest junco Dec 2, 2021, 3:13 PM

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vagrant junco that works

Yes

heavy yoke Dec 8, 2021, 3:07 AM

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raven cedar yeah each beam causes an explosion

i thought its only for a diff mob which the explosion was not like

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applied on

raven cedar Dec 8, 2021, 3:20 AM

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well yea

vagrant wave Dec 11, 2021, 7:47 AM

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Not really related to endgame classbuilding but ive noticed a couple low level items that are hilariously bad

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https://gyazo.com/0dc2bc7312eb7c140dc0b0bcb5f38d6c

Gyazo

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-25 sp :doom:

rocky parcel Dec 12, 2021, 12:35 PM

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vagrant wave Not really related to endgame classbuilding but ive noticed a couple low level i...

that happens with times

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a large chunk of items below level 70 or so were made like 5+ years ago (and some are barely unchanged from even gavel) so occasionally some low level items just kinda were bad and are still bad (but with the standards for what counts as good having shifted upwards by like 300%)

hoary chasm Dec 12, 2021, 12:46 PM

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rocky parcel a large chunk of items below level 70 or so were made like 5+ years ago (and som...

I mean out of interest how much merit does the item team see in changing some of the super bad old items, occasionally in patch notes I’ll see changes to some but it’s almost always nerfing ones that are standout good, do the item team see enough point in balancing out some of the lower level items

rocky parcel Dec 12, 2021, 12:47 PM

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oh yeah for sure

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we've just been focusing efforts on the more endgame items especially in recent times

hoary chasm Dec 12, 2021, 12:58 PM

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makea sense

rocky parcel Dec 13, 2021, 10:20 AM

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we're keeping confusing cap

rocky parcel Dec 16, 2021, 2:28 PM

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TOPIC:: hey what do you guys think of xp/lb gear, specifically across the levels and current high end endgame numbers

torpid crow Dec 16, 2021, 2:38 PM

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it's practically assigned at random and has poor progression

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(especially xp but it applies to both)

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there doesn't seem to be any real reasoning for which and how much xp particular items get

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same with lb

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so it ends up overcentralizing on whatever one or two items happen to have the most xp/lb and no massive drawbacks

earnest junco Dec 16, 2021, 4:05 PM

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rocky parcel TOPIC:: hey what do you guys think of xp/lb gear, specifically across the levels...

There should be stronger ingredients

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Gathering still takes way too long

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And at low levels you get like +5%

raven cedar Dec 16, 2021, 4:21 PM

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low levels go by in seconds

hoary chasm Dec 16, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Gathering is completely fine with current gxp imo

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I’ve done 1-110 with and without it seems perfectly reasonable

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Oh wait not gxp ings

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Xp as said above has little to no progression it can make early levels go by way too quick with some items that needlessly have so much xp at pre level 20

vagrant wave Dec 16, 2021, 5:59 PM

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I feel like some low-mid level items have too much xp relative to their higher level counterparts

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Probably the best example of this is Stress, Sage, etx

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Same goes with loot bonus but i dont see it being much of a problem unlike xp

dusky marsh Dec 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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ripchat

hoary chasm Dec 21, 2021, 7:41 PM

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Death

rocky parcel Dec 29, 2021, 12:24 PM

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topic: sp potions ever since they were changed, opinions?

odd condor Dec 29, 2021, 2:43 PM

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they are next to useless now for their cost, thanks

valid crystal Dec 29, 2021, 3:10 PM

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this is a weird one but i saw broken balance while i was levelling up and i fell in love with the concept (also i own a 81% melee 114% spell one, don't wipe me please), and i kinda want a lv 100 version of this

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(-500 hp, -7 all sp, 23% - 98% melee and spell)

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lv 50 req

dusky marsh Dec 29, 2021, 3:50 PM

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you want a level 100 version?

hoary chasm Dec 29, 2021, 4:02 PM

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rocky parcel topic: sp potions ever since they were changed, opinions?

I mean yeah they were very good and while the defence one is still good and probably well priced for use of players who'd need it for EO or something they were struggling on, the others however seem not worth 10eb at all really. I'm also gonna ignore the fact it destroyed lots on the warring side of things as balancing around warring is an impossible task.

west leaf Dec 29, 2021, 8:29 PM

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topic: raid buffs and why they fucking suck and I hate them and they’re bad

valid crystal Dec 30, 2021, 5:44 AM

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i’d say if you want to make them that expensive make lv 100 ones so that people can find them while lring

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back when i used to run troms as a lv 60-70 player i got tons of sp pots

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i drank them along the run

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i could see problems if you got like seraphim ophanim throne i as a melee build or stonewalker intrepid pestilent iii for spellspam

west leaf Dec 30, 2021, 5:59 AM

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that is not my problem with raid buffs

valid crystal Dec 30, 2021, 12:25 PM

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what is your problem with raid buffs

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also i made a custom item set am i allowed to post it here

earnest junco Dec 30, 2021, 5:54 PM

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rocky parcel topic: sp potions ever since they were changed, opinions?

Make them cheaper (3 EB for lvl 100)

earnest junco Dec 30, 2021, 5:55 PM

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west leaf topic: raid buffs and why they fucking suck and I hate them and they’re bad

Raid buffs are overpowered, not bad

rocky parcel Dec 30, 2021, 5:59 PM

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they're probably not going to be made (much) cheaper, they're still not intended to be used by standard

valid crystal Dec 30, 2021, 6:30 PM

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valid crystal also i made a custom item set am i allowed to post it here

it’s a gathering set can i

hoary chasm Dec 30, 2021, 6:47 PM

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valid crystal it’s a gathering set can i

Do whatever you like if it’s topic to the thread of item discussion

zenith sinew Dec 30, 2021, 8:13 PM

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rocky parcel topic: sp potions ever since they were changed, opinions?

balanced now

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i do agree with cal though that i only ever use the defense SP pot (and rarely the agi pot for more survivability) and that the other ones kind of suck for their price

west leaf Dec 30, 2021, 8:42 PM

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earnest junco Raid buffs are overpowered, not bad

I did not mean they were actually bad

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as in bad for the game

earnest junco Dec 30, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Ah

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I agree then

valid crystal Dec 31, 2021, 2:24 AM

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https://wynnbuilder.github.io/customizer.html#10000GFarmer's Tunic010cmerchant - cinfras' small farm0260401030510G020S80K010e0L010e0M0201G0P010U0U01090j010110v0237q7q0z020383813010KK1K010551N010AA1O010AA
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/customizer.html#10000KWoodcutter's Smock010Umerchant - dernel jungle0260401030520G020E40L010U0M010y0O010U0T01060q010PP0r010UU0v020AAAA0+013UU0-013UU12013FF14010AA1N010AA1O010AA
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/customizer.html#10000PFisherman's Wellingtons010Tmerchant - jofash docks0260401030530G020bW0I010o0J010o0M0201Q0Q010F0S010U0V01040W010B0i010UU0t010KK0+013jj0-013jj10013UU11010UU1N010AA1O010AA
set bonus:
2 pieces: +1 all skills, +20% hpr, +15% gxp
3 pieces: +3 all skills, +30% hpr, +20% gxp, +25% gspeed, +2500 hp
4 pieces: +5 all skills, +200 hpr, +45% hpr, +40% gxp, +40% gspeed, +5000 hp

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valid crystal Dec 31, 2021, 3:08 AM

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idk but i just wanted to make some

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i just slapped some together dex min 75 418-421 dura 15-21% gxp bonus

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okay maybe the pieces need to be nerfed to 5%/5% and set bonus to 30%

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or just make more gxp ingredients

hoary chasm Dec 31, 2021, 3:51 AM

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Like 100-120

raven cedar Dec 31, 2021, 4:32 AM

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I'm gonna have to argue against having gspeed on armor

hoary chasm Dec 31, 2021, 4:47 AM

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Also what is the set bonus

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Given it’s a set I assume exists

raven cedar Dec 31, 2021, 4:48 AM

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its listed below the links

hoary chasm Dec 31, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Oh so it is

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So totals 80% gspeed/xp

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80 is a lot a lot for gspeed

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The normal economically viable gspeed consums are like 30 max

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80% on an unbreaking 1 time purchase armour set

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dies

raven cedar Dec 31, 2021, 5:01 AM

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yea exactly

valid crystal Dec 31, 2021, 10:06 AM

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what would you recommend, 50%? 40%?

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also i nerfed set bonus to 30/30

hoary chasm Dec 31, 2021, 6:54 PM

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As weirdo said I wouldn’t put gspeed on at all

raven cedar Dec 31, 2021, 6:56 PM

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valid crystal also i nerfed set bonus to 30/30

whatever gxp armor is made (if noncrafted) should be like unequivocally worse than crafted

rocky parcel Jan 1, 2022, 1:43 AM

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we're eternally keeping gathering ids on crafted only. sorry

hoary chasm Jan 1, 2022, 2:04 AM

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Goob

valid crystal Jan 1, 2022, 2:05 AM

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raven cedar whatever gxp armor is made (if noncrafted) should be like unequivocally worse th...

i was thinking about getting gathering ids buffed on crafteds actually

valid crystal Jan 1, 2022, 2:05 AM

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rocky parcel we're eternally keeping gathering ids on crafted only. sorry

but uh, why? i thought it was just that the ct hadn’t made any items for gathering

raven cedar Jan 1, 2022, 7:13 AM

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p sure its to actually encourage crafting

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well but then whats the point

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no I meant

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whats the point of spending time creating noncrafted gxp armor

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well basically my point is just

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IMs (few as they are) have better things to do than creating virtually useless items

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not rly you can ask higher lvl people to craft

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and I mean thats why low lvl gxp stuff exists

valid crystal Jan 1, 2022, 11:55 AM

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raven cedar IMs (few as they are) have better things to do than creating virtually useless i...

thats why the community makes these items

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i mean considering i am not on the item team idk how it works

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but is it more complex than just slapping in the values for items?

rocky parcel Jan 1, 2022, 8:27 PM

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valid crystal but uh, why? i thought it was just that the ct hadn’t made any items for gatheri...

simple as gathering ids being on items specifically created through gathering

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we want to keep a few things exclusive to ingredients/crafteds as well to make them stand out & looked into more, which would be lq and gathering ids

earnest junco Jan 1, 2022, 9:46 PM

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Gathering tomes exist

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Maybe we'll get LQ tomes one day?

raven cedar Jan 1, 2022, 9:49 PM

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doubt

rocky parcel Jan 2, 2022, 12:48 AM

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i still think charm of the stone is too powerful

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however everyone forgets about charms anyway so w/e

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and no gathering tomes were kind of a sudden thing that kinda just happened

west leaf Jan 2, 2022, 12:50 AM

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i havent forgotten about them

hoary chasm Jan 2, 2022, 12:54 AM

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Gathering xp charm with -gspeed saltroll

valid crystal Jan 2, 2022, 2:14 AM

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heavy melee gathering tools

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tstack gathering builds

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what about uh
jump height and sprint and sprint regen
and both kinds of spell cost
those ids are rarer than the others, is it just because ct hasn’t added more items with them yet or that they are supposed to be rare

dusky marsh Jan 2, 2022, 2:21 AM

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wha?

valid crystal Jan 2, 2022, 2:29 AM

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which part of my points where you confused about

dusky marsh Jan 2, 2022, 2:30 AM

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all of them the fuck

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oh i think you just made a typo, that's all

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heavy melee gathering tools

still oxide Jan 2, 2022, 2:32 AM

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valid crystal what about uh jump height and sprint and sprint regen and both kinds of spell co...

me when all the new stats

valid crystal Jan 2, 2022, 2:32 AM

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valid crystal heavy melee gathering tools

these were a joke pertaining to gxp with -gaped

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gspeed

vagrant wave Jan 2, 2022, 12:53 PM

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There are so many underwhelming endgame items (particularly weapons) that desperately need significant buffs

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i know its pretty obvious but idk i just felt like I would say it

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to name a few:
Iris
Layton
Drumstick
Thunderbird
Tropics
etc

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I just think that most of these are very underwhelming even for uniques (Layton/Iris/Tropics) are pretty good examples of this, they get outclassed to an infinite degree by other similar items

hoary chasm Jan 2, 2022, 3:22 PM

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Uniques are uniques

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Some uniques are insane yes

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But an item like tropics doesn’t need to be on orange lily level

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(Please nerf orange lily)

earnest junco Jan 2, 2022, 4:03 PM

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Unique weapons just have low base dmg

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Sadly

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That's how making unique weapons works

valid crystal Jan 2, 2022, 4:13 PM

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you know how spring has the lore “The frost burns will never heal.”
you know how that’s kinda a lie?
mID: +Frostbite - Attacks apply a debuff for 30 seconds which halves all incoming healing.

dusky marsh Jan 2, 2022, 5:07 PM

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why 30s?

west leaf Jan 2, 2022, 7:31 PM

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unique baseline moment

raven cedar Jan 2, 2022, 8:37 PM

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me when the major id slap

rocky parcel Jan 3, 2022, 12:33 AM

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yeah we try to make every item worth using but with how much just straightforward damage matters on weapons it's nearly impossible to have uniques that are powerful

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at most you'll have nice picks for melee and a gimmicky spell weapon

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 12:34 AM

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the only unique weapon that comes to my head that people actually use is anvil crawler

rocky parcel Jan 3, 2022, 12:37 AM

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that's because in heavy melee nearly the only thing that matters for damage is that big shiny number in front of "main neutral attack damage"

raven cedar Jan 3, 2022, 12:37 AM

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spleen splitter

rocky parcel Jan 3, 2022, 12:37 AM

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or was it main attack neutral damage

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 12:37 AM

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its not like anvil crawler has bad base melee

rocky parcel Jan 3, 2022, 12:37 AM

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i always forget which one because my brain reads raw melee

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 12:37 AM

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im pretty sure its just\

raven cedar Jan 3, 2022, 12:37 AM

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main attack neutral damage

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 12:37 AM

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main attack damage

rocky parcel Jan 3, 2022, 12:38 AM

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no there's a neutral in there somewhere

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 12:38 AM

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raven cedar spleen splitter

that is indeed a weapon that exists

hoary chasm Jan 3, 2022, 1:27 AM

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I wish demons will had cooler base

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 1:55 AM

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rocky parcel at most you'll have nice picks for melee and a gimmicky spell weapon

scroll all the way to the top of my #warrior channel for a gem of a build enraged

rocky parcel Jan 3, 2022, 1:56 AM

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ayo what the

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 1:56 AM

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its so old its a wynndata link

rocky parcel Jan 3, 2022, 1:56 AM

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so true

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 1:56 AM

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lets re-create it now guillotine exists saltroll

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https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/index.html#4_0u40px0DS0K50qo0qo0K40OM0V50z111u0o+Y1g00001004fI
WynnBuilder build:

Guillotine
Time Rift
Demon Tide
Silt of the Seafloor
Unspeakable
Unspeakable
Prowess
Diamond Hydro Necklace
Namazu [w6w6w6]

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mana sustain aaaa

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https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/index.html#4_0u40px0DS0K50OK0OK0K40OM0V50y111u0o+Y1g00001004fI
WynnBuilder build:

Guillotine
Time Rift
Demon Tide
Silt of the Seafloor
Diamond Hydro Ring
Diamond Hydro Ring
Prowess
Diamond Hydro Necklace
Namazu [w6w6w6]

raven cedar Jan 3, 2022, 1:59 AM

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doesnt that say heavy melee

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 1:59 AM

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it does but its heavy hybrid

raven cedar Jan 3, 2022, 2:00 AM

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not sure if I would call that heavy hybrid

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 2:01 AM

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impressive

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worse damage than spell apoc

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 2:03 AM

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neither tbh

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namazu is ass tho lol

valid crystal Jan 3, 2022, 2:22 AM

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dusky marsh why 30s?

i figured “30s” was long enough for “never” in lore
the debuff refreshed but doesn’t stack, so that in a fight against a spring user you always have it on

raven cedar Jan 3, 2022, 2:23 AM

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me when slapping major ids in accordance to lore 😔

valid crystal Jan 3, 2022, 2:24 AM

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people have been screaming at me that spring sucks and go use a different mythic

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 2:24 AM

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who

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because spring is pretty top tier

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that major id wouldn’t do much anyways

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there are very few healer mobs in game

raven cedar Jan 3, 2022, 2:25 AM

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^ ever since bosses were changed to not have regen

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 2:26 AM

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valid crystal people have been screaming at me that spring sucks and go use a different mythic

who is screaming at you?

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 2:27 AM

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west leaf because spring is pretty top tier

true

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what would be neater IMO would be a slowness effect which lasts probably less than a second

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or even a very short temporary stun

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its a scuffed idea but i think you can see where im coming from

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it'd encourage super fast attack speed like

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is a good idea? not really

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do i still think its neat? yah

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 2:28 AM

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bomb arrow already has slowness so it’d have to be better than that

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 2:28 AM

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oh shid u right

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i forgot about that

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in which case it probably wouldnt be balanced

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i dont want spring users to be able to utterly freeze enemies in position

valid crystal Jan 3, 2022, 2:51 AM

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a tstack build…on a water weapon

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well i’ve been told tstack hadal was a thing

dusky marsh Jan 3, 2022, 2:55 AM

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super fast =/= tierstack....

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im simply referring to attack speed

valid crystal Jan 3, 2022, 2:58 AM

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but like you would have to stack tier items because spring is base slow

west leaf Jan 3, 2022, 2:59 AM

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leviathon time

valid crystal Jan 3, 2022, 3:04 AM

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very valid suggestion(joke): buff singu to sfast while giving average 30 damage per element
kicker: keep the powder slots

raven cedar Jan 3, 2022, 3:25 AM

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spring is normal attack speed

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if it was a slowness effect on melee only thatd be interesting

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but if it applied with spells then arrow storm would perma freeze

valid crystal Jan 3, 2022, 11:38 PM

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raven cedar spring is normal attack speed

whoops trift gaming

valid crystal Jan 3, 2022, 11:39 PM

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raven cedar but if it applied with spells then arrow storm would perma freeze

i know from my experience of /dueling anyone i see on my server that arrow storm will kblock someone if you land all 60 arrows especially if you spam bomb

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so unless we use mobs with movement spells or mobs with kb resist it like

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realises most mobs have kb resist

drifting shoal Jan 4, 2022, 4:29 PM

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Change cherry bomb major id to

Cherry Bomb
Smoke Bomb sends out one bomb, exploding on impact dealing 250% damage.

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good idea??!?

west leaf Jan 4, 2022, 4:30 PM

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Cherry Bomb(s)

raven cedar Jan 4, 2022, 5:21 PM

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that feels like a nerf to cherry bomb

hoary chasm Jan 4, 2022, 7:03 PM

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300% mayhaps

amber spruce Jan 4, 2022, 7:34 PM

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Stupid beanb warrer catswear

west leaf Jan 9, 2022, 3:40 PM

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really wish there were more ways to lower attack speed than

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tenuto

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and

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eyes on all

amber spruce Jan 9, 2022, 3:41 PM

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Simply cope

west leaf Jan 9, 2022, 3:41 PM

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ataraxy and agave exist but those arent as good

west leaf Jan 9, 2022, 3:41 PM

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amber spruce Simply cope

ok

amber spruce Jan 9, 2022, 3:41 PM

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Ataraxy aphotic 😻

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or atlas

west leaf Jan 9, 2022, 3:43 PM

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kinda forgot aphotic existed tbh

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i like my dex though >:(

amber spruce Jan 9, 2022, 3:46 PM

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Blind thrust, struggle, cracklers, bete

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Earth breaker nych darksteel

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dawn

valid crystal Jan 9, 2022, 3:53 PM

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boreal patterned iirc

west leaf Jan 9, 2022, 3:54 PM

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bpc does not have tiers

west leaf Jan 9, 2022, 3:54 PM

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amber spruce Blind thrust, struggle, cracklers, bete

ok i guess there are more spell tier items than i originally remembered but tbf some of these are pretty niche

valid crystal Jan 9, 2022, 3:54 PM

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west leaf tenuto

if you went by musical equivalents stacattissimo necklace with +4-8 tier -16% spell when

valid crystal Jan 9, 2022, 3:55 PM

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west leaf bpc does not have tiers

obsidian framed?

rocky parcel Jan 9, 2022, 3:55 PM

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there's a decent to good negative tiers item for pretty much everything that can be built hybrid

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and for those rare cases where there really isn't anything available there's still the eternally easiest to use negative tier item

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amber spruce Jan 9, 2022, 3:56 PM

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You can name heavy melee items but most of the ones I named are like usable/reasonably good for spell

valid crystal Jan 9, 2022, 3:56 PM

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also is it that we don’t have as many +- tier items just because they’re new ids relatively or are they supposed to be rare

valid crystal Jan 9, 2022, 3:56 PM

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rocky parcel

flipped atlas when

rocky parcel Jan 9, 2022, 3:57 PM

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attack speed bonus is as old as time (give or take)

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it's supposed to be rare

valid crystal Jan 9, 2022, 3:57 PM

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it saves seconds and lets hours slip

rocky parcel Jan 9, 2022, 3:57 PM

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it's the single most powerful id

valid crystal Jan 9, 2022, 3:57 PM

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valid crystal it saves seconds and lets hours slip

(who knows what i’m talking about)

rocky parcel Jan 9, 2022, 3:58 PM

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boring chestplates

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zzz

dusky marsh Jan 9, 2022, 4:23 PM

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YOU DIDNT NAME EARTH BREAKER YOU BASTARD

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I HATE YOU

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wait yes you did

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beluga

earnest junco Jan 9, 2022, 5:42 PM

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west leaf really wish there were more ways to lower attack speed than

hehehehehe

west leaf Jan 9, 2022, 5:42 PM

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lemme guess

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crafted atlas

earnest junco Jan 9, 2022, 5:42 PM

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"Negative IDs on crafteds no longer decay"

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yes

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but as a ring

west leaf Jan 9, 2022, 5:42 PM

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yeah its pretty cool

earnest junco Jan 9, 2022, 5:42 PM

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https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/crafter.html#1Ac9k9fAc9f9f9m11

Ring Lv. 103-105 (1✫, 1✫)
[Vortexian Event Horizon | Obelisk Core
Major's Badge | Vortexian Event Horizon
Major's Badge | Major's Badge ]

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also +12% melee dmg 😳

rocky parcel Jan 9, 2022, 7:39 PM

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i'm wondering when these will catch on

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we were honestly expecting people to spam them every build that wasn't already super slow or using tenuto lol

hoary chasm Jan 9, 2022, 7:40 PM

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i only use them on like a single build

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tiers can be got so many other places

earnest junco Jan 9, 2022, 7:44 PM

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rocky parcel we were honestly expecting people to spam them every build that wasn't already s...

Usually you already use tenuto, dawnbreak or bete noire

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So they dont see much use

dusky marsh Jan 9, 2022, 9:51 PM

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earnest junco https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/crafter.html#1Ac9k9fAc9f9f9m11 > Ring Lv. 103-105 ...

AYO SHUT THE FRONT FUCKING DOOR

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💳 💥💥💥

rocky parcel Jan 9, 2022, 10:04 PM

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DOOR STUCK DOOR STUCK

raven cedar Jan 9, 2022, 11:20 PM

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the problem with that ring is that it won’t work in any build that uses master hive armor or other -sp

valid crystal Jan 10, 2022, 2:02 PM

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shouldnt it

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or is neg reqs weird in that if you have -30 you cant get -198 req

raven cedar Jan 11, 2022, 1:06 AM

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neg reqs are weird

valid crystal Jan 11, 2022, 8:32 AM

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earnest junco but as a ring

why can’t you make it abracer

hoary chasm Jan 11, 2022, 8:34 AM

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it can

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but its a crafted atlas

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atlas is a bracelet

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you dont need to use it in place of atlas

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as you can use atlas

dusky marsh Jan 11, 2022, 9:27 AM

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gotta represent sheesh

earnest junco Jan 11, 2022, 5:12 PM

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raven cedar the problem with that ring is that it won’t work in any build that uses master h...

Wrong, that's like if something needs -5 then you have to assign sp to get -5

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But gl getting -198

raven cedar Jan 11, 2022, 5:23 PM

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ok ingo like

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as someone who’s actually used -req items I can tell you that -reqs work very weirdly

earnest junco Jan 11, 2022, 8:49 PM

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raven cedar as someone who’s actually used -req items I can tell you that -reqs work very we...

I also tested neg reqs 🤔

tardy siren Jan 12, 2022, 3:48 AM

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Make KoH not heal better than Lament (this is feedback I keep hearing and not my own opinion as I don't use that disgusting item saltroll )

amber spruce Jan 12, 2022, 3:52 AM

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imo lament is good enough as an offensive weapon to be fine

tardy siren Jan 12, 2022, 3:52 AM

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I have no idea

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I do not use it

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I am simply repeating what I have heard

vagrant wave Jan 12, 2022, 3:56 AM

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skaxis appreciation

west leaf Jan 12, 2022, 4:14 AM

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as what sigma has stated lament is already a really solid offensive option so I don’t see the issue with koh healing 1% more water damage

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(do not listen to lootrunners telling you lament is a heal stick only)

dusky marsh Jan 12, 2022, 8:42 AM

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lament packs a punch i dont think its heal capacity needs buffing

rocky parcel Jan 12, 2022, 9:33 AM

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lament is not a healing weapon

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like, it has good heals and is somewhat centered around healing off -ls for huge mana steal, but it isn't a healing weapon

west leaf Jan 12, 2022, 9:40 AM

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it might have over 100 water damage, the second highest in the game as well as over 50% reduced healing cost but trust me, healing is definitely not one of its main attributes

rocky parcel Jan 12, 2022, 1:34 PM

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it is one of its main attributes but the important thing is that it is one of its main attributes

earnest junco Jan 12, 2022, 9:56 PM

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Lament is great for dps

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:04 PM

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anti-lock bump

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topic: there is no topic. what would someone want to see happen idk i'm really running dry here

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:05 PM

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raid buff change

elder swan Jan 15, 2022, 4:05 PM

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^ yes

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:07 PM

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you mean like rebalance or an actual change to how raid buffs work

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:07 PM

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@rocky parcel

totem lobber and/or self-destruct
spell trees (likely never gonna happen)
more interesting spears
assassin nerf (mostly vanish rework + maybe baseline of some items?)
courage rework
aggro to he fixed
wars LOL
to leave lumina untouched and overpowered
open IM applications
uhhhh what else?

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FIX HAUL BOUNCE MF I HATE IT

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(not in your power ik)

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this is satire guys dont harass IMs about these issues please

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i want cooler necklaces too tbh

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i feel like with the sp power creep + acquiring sslow is hurting the number of necklaces i be building with

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tenuto doesnt have much competition

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it's honestly worthy of fabled status

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(not that i think it should be fabled at all god no)

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:09 PM

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ok hold on i guess i should clarify

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what would someone want to see happen that i have not personally talked about or given my opinion on recently (unfortunately i'm the only im that frequents this channel so that's all i can give you)

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:12 PM

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Bartwalker is typing

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loading

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:13 PM

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totem lobber no not really self destruct maybe
will probably happen one day but that's all i've got to say about it
ok i will rebuff diaminar
baseline is fine it's just vanish being super duper silly (quirky even)
ok suggest a courage rework then i think i had a decent idea for it a while back but i forgot where i wrote it down
heheha
wars is like half a contintent out of our jurisdiction atm
:tf::tf::tf::tf::tf::tf::tf::
i know right the bounce is deadly (to the player)

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:13 PM

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YOOOO SPELL TREES

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LETSFUCKIIINNGGOOOO

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screenshotted CaughtIn4K

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gonna NFT this

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diaminar is pretty ass from memory

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they nerfed it right?

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:14 PM

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diaminar was a meta spear only like 3 years ago

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:14 PM

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during my 2019..? break i came back and i was told everyone and their nan was using diaminar

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:14 PM

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rocky parcel you mean like rebalance or an actual change to how raid buffs work

frankly I dislike them as a concept as I’ve talked about before but I think it would also be unwise to just straight up remove them especially with raids’ current state, so mostly a rebalance

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:14 PM

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i want courage to be some form of resistance

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:14 PM

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it was nerfed and then nerfed again and then tierstack got buffed and then buffed again and then buffed again and then buffed again and the undying and such happened as well

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:15 PM

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whilst boosting fire too obv

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:15 PM

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yeah we'll do raid buff rebalancing it's just not quite what we're working on rn

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:15 PM

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I remember in 1.18 diaminar was considered chad

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the virgin apoc vs the chad diaminar

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:15 PM

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1.17 and 1.18 was an awesome time for diaminar

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:15 PM

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fuck totem bounce

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:15 PM

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apoc was still better but diaminar was doing great

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:16 PM

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was that intentional? someone just posted a haul post on the forums

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i just complained about the bounce

elder swan Jan 15, 2022, 4:16 PM

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west leaf frankly I dislike them as a concept as I’ve talked about before but I think it w...

👍

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:16 PM

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they were suggesting haul without totem or some nonsense

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:16 PM

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the bounce on it was intentional yea

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but it just doesn't really work

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:16 PM

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haul without totem…?

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so a worse charge

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:16 PM

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just read the thread

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:16 PM

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rocky parcel the bounce on it was intentional yea

who voted yes? im gonna fuck their mom

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:17 PM

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i do not believe that was voted on

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:17 PM

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NAMES

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:17 PM

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totem bounce or haul bounce

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totem only bounces on slime blocks

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:17 PM

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neither was voted on

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:17 PM

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very rare scenario where it matters

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:17 PM

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and totem bouncing on slime blocks is just it being an entity lol

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:17 PM

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what do you think about totem bouncing twice after impact?

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:17 PM

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haul bounce can die in a fire

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:18 PM

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aura's poor hitbox is mostly an oversight that remains unfixed so far

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i do not think totem should really bounce? in general?

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:18 PM

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the bounce upon landing even if haul is casted from footed ground was intentional? AA_Potato_Angry

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:18 PM

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that was intentional yes

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:19 PM

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balls

rocky parcel Jan 15, 2022, 4:19 PM

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it's supposed to be a short thing to prevent mobs from immediately killing you

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unfortunately it kinda does the exact opposite

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:19 PM

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even tho thats exactly what it does

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enraged

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:20 PM

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mmm

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me when I lose all my momentum for some stupid fucking jump that immobilizes me for 2 seconds and makes me vulnerable to ranged attacks

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:21 PM

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the reason ive only touched ETW/ETA shaman once since addition

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 4:26 PM

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would work if it didn’t remove momentum

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if it actually preserved momentum you could get some funny bhopping shenanigans

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:37 PM

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perhaps ^

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i'd be dancin on the battlefield

raven cedar Jan 15, 2022, 4:41 PM

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silent ballet would actually be cool

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 4:50 PM

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you dont think sb is cool??

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 5:04 PM

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what’s wrong with it now

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 5:42 PM

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(keep in mind it is a unique)

raven cedar Jan 15, 2022, 5:50 PM

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the concept is cool but shaman spells just don’t have good utility

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 5:54 PM

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at the fault of CCI

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otherwise it's really fun

west leaf Jan 15, 2022, 6:09 PM

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eh

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what

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basically infinite spells on silent ballet is really useful

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it is true most endgame bosses have cci but that doesnt mean silent ballet lacks utility

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also a very useful item for builds without mana sustain or costs

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 7:37 PM

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also EA 🥰 rawstack 🥰

odd condor Jan 15, 2022, 9:58 PM

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silent ballet heavy poison

dusky marsh Jan 15, 2022, 10:17 PM

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no powder slots

raven cedar Jan 16, 2022, 1:44 AM

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west leaf it is true most endgame bosses have cci but that doesnt mean silent ballet lacks...

ok what utility does it have then

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exactly

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which is p much useless considering that walking is faster than shaman haul

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give silent ballet narcissism like
or literally anything that can make it useful for something other than haul spam

valid crystal Jan 16, 2022, 3:44 AM

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giving it gravity and lightweight

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also Fallbreakers should totally have +Lightweight, it only makes sense

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and cherry bombs and taunt and deadeye

still oxide Jan 16, 2022, 4:15 AM

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valid crystal also Fallbreakers should totally have +Lightweight, it only makes sense

the thing with major ids is that it's only for legendary and above

valid crystal Jan 16, 2022, 4:28 AM

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change fallbreakers to legendary

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 12:46 PM

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it's actually about using free spells to quickly reposition mobs and such

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but like i always say, cci ruins everything

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and yes major ids is only for legendary and above tiers and no we're not changing fallbreakers to legendary just to give it a major id

dusky marsh Jan 16, 2022, 1:01 PM

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valid crystal also Fallbreakers should totally have +Lightweight, it only makes sense

fallbreakers are rare despairsnap

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:03 PM

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rocky parcel - totem lobber no not really self destruct maybe - will probably happen one day ...

ok i will rebuff diaminar
yooo

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:06 PM

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rocky parcel - totem lobber no not really self destruct maybe - will probably happen one day ...

Courage rework: Increases your defence by 20% for 8 seconds. Mini quake stays. Not stackable. Doesn't affect others.

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Maybe a bit boring but it should keep courage strong enough to be used a lot while not making it completely overpowered

dusky marsh Jan 16, 2022, 1:09 PM

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I feel like it should affect anyone within the activation radius?

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which is? idk i assume it's 8 blocks or something

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maybe reduce it to the visuals of the "mini-quake" if 8 is too much

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ya know.. it's called courage for crying out loud

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give allies courage

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:12 PM

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hmm maybe

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As long as it isnt stackable it could work

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but I dont want to see ETW trift builds that gain like 80% dmg reduction from couragestack

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or 5 players in NoL gaining 100% dmg reduction by stacking it with each other

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:13 PM

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if anything endurance should give defense boost

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definitely not courage

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:13 PM

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Endu?

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ETW builds with fire armour powders 🤔

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If you survive the first few hits you're safe

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sounds a bit odd

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:14 PM

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not really brainstorming but endurance conceptually is just really broken lol

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:15 PM

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if you rework endu so it no longer buffs dmg you'll also have to rework conc, dodge and killstreak

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killstreak too because else everyone will just use endu for thunder builds

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(so a buff to killstreak)

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(and a nerf to conc dodge oc)

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:16 PM

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yeah endurance should probably be more like % of health or raw health taken away (not like rage) instead of amount of hits

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:16 PM

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You'd also have to buff fire and air weapons

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:16 PM

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but courage giving defense is similarly really weird

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:16 PM

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most of them

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since they currently have rather low baseline dmg that counteracts the high boost that comes from endu/dodge

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:17 PM

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really just none of that is true

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:18 PM

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Guardian? Hero? Ignis? Stratiformis? (spell) Inferno?

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Zephra Shredder, Gale's Force

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Hellstrand

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etc

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:19 PM

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again none of that is true and i'm getting a little tired of explaining that most old things are just following "uhhhh earth damage fire defense???" designs

elder swan Jan 16, 2022, 1:20 PM

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courage giving damage resistance makes more sense than endu giving it imo because all armor powders give ele % damage anyway

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:20 PM

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Yes that's what I mean. Fire and air weapons just have low base dmg

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:20 PM

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and all weapon powder specials give damage anyways as well lol

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not really a valid argument for either

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:21 PM

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they give ET weapons way more dmg than FA weapons

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:21 PM

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i mean imo there shouldn't be such easy defense boosts to begin with

elder swan Jan 16, 2022, 1:21 PM

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weapon powders specials are like a lot more different from eachother imo

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:21 PM

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earnest junco they give ET weapons way more dmg than FA weapons

an d powder specials are entirely irrelevant to those

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:22 PM

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rocky parcel an d powder specials are entirely irrelevant to those

Irrelevant to what? This discussion or ET weapons?

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:22 PM

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powder specials are unrelated to the damages of other things

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(endurance was never meant to be infinite)

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:23 PM

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It's not infinite?

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:23 PM

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(only rage and killstreak)

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:23 PM

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killstreak also isnt infinite

elder swan Jan 16, 2022, 1:24 PM

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^

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:24 PM

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or do you mean infinite as of all timers reset when you get one more charge?

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:24 PM

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you can keep stacking endurance numbers and as long as you get hit within a certain amount of time it doesn't go away

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:24 PM

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ah yes that's true and needs a fix

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But a fix wouldnt change much

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Since in endu builds you already get hit all the time

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:25 PM

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and as far as i know at least endurance was supposed to not really stack up super high

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broken as in it should have been a timer per singular boost that would stack on itself

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not currently singular boosts that stack on itself and reset a more global timer

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:26 PM

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yes

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but a fix still wouldnt change too much in tanky builds

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you usually take multiple hits per second there

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:26 PM

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(also the speed at which armour powder specials build up was never supposed to be this fast)

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:26 PM

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I mean

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:27 PM

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think of the speed endurance builds up from a single armour piece okay?>

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:27 PM

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currently if you make tanky builds with ET weapons and offensive builds with FA weapons and the ET weapons have curse while the FA weapons have endu/dodge and curse, both get roughly the same ehp and dmg

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:28 PM

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rocky parcel think of the speed endurance builds up from a single armour piece okay?>

hmm that just gave me an idea

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:28 PM

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yeah that's just a result of outdated stuff clashing with the realities of actual item design

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:28 PM

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You could make it so getting armour powder specials on more than one armour piece doesn't change anything

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:28 PM

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which isn't to say it isn't true, but you claiming that endurance is fucking busted to make up for fire damaged weapons otherwise having lower damage output is very wrong

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:29 PM

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rocky parcel which isn't to say it isn't true, but you claiming that endurance is fucking bus...

That's not what I said

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:29 PM

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earnest junco You could make it so getting armour powder specials on more than one armour piec...

it was originally supposed to / at least not stack as fast as it currently does

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:29 PM

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I said the low base dmg of FA weapons counteracts endu and dodge's boost

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and not that endu and dodge are the way they are to counteract the low base dmg of FA weapons

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:29 PM

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not entirely sure which one it was, just that the current way that armour powder specials stack between multiple armour pieces was unintentional

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:30 PM

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Maybe just rework conc, endu and dodge

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rage and killstreak are fine

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dodge would be fine if it got changed back to its 1.19 behaviour

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(resetting upon getting hit)

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:30 PM

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earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:32 PM

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Conc could maybe get a bigger rework

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:32 PM

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this may surprise you but repeating things to someone who has already agreed with you on something the very first time around and can't actively do anything about it does not help

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:32 PM

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no you're getting me wrong

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I meant "just rework conc endu and dodge" as of "only rework conc endu and dodge"

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because the other two are fine already

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and dodge would also be fine if it was reverted to 1.19 (which shouldnt be too hard?)

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:33 PM

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earnest junco Conc could maybe get a bigger rework

Where it only affects the spell which triggers it but gets higher values

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maybe +10% water dmg per mana used

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so with 4x conc, you get +40% water dmg on 1 mana spells, +80% water dmg on 2 mana spells, ..

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But it's only for this single spell

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:34 PM

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earnest junco Where it only affects the spell which triggers it but gets higher values

?????

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:34 PM

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Currently conc is there for 1s per mana used

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so if you cast a 2 mana spell you get a water dmg boost for all spells within the next 2 seconds

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And you could change it so it instead only affects the spell that triggered it

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:35 PM

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earnest junco so if you cast a 2 mana spell you get a water dmg boost for all spells within th...

So then only the 2 mana spell is boosted and let's say a following melee isn't

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:36 PM

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why not

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:36 PM

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If it's changed so it only affects the spell that triggered conc

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instead of a boost for a specific time

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:36 PM

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but why would you want that

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:36 PM

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To balance it

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And it'd also favour builds with higher spell costs (slight heavy spell buff?)

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:37 PM

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yeah first of all let's make heavy spell not happen in a more dysfunctional way than even things like cancelstack were officially supported

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and then i think a general nerf seems much much much more reasonable way to balance concentration than to spin the lottery wheel

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:38 PM

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with a general nerf there'll always be a way to abuse it

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:38 PM

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no

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:38 PM

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like casting aura 5 times in a row with hadal

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:39 PM

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quite the opppsite, actually

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:39 PM

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to make it more expensive

valid crystal Jan 16, 2022, 1:39 PM

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concentration + hspell + hmelee a valid combo for rn?

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:39 PM

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with a gimmicky kind of rng nerf there will always be a way to abuse it lmao

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:39 PM

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rocky parcel quite the opppsite, actually

I didnt say you cant abuse it currently, I just said that won't fix it

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:40 PM

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rocky parcel with a gimmicky kind of rng nerf there will always be a way to abuse it lmao

Uh why would you implement a rng nerf?

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:40 PM

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that.. was your suggestion

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:40 PM

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You misunderstood me

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I suggested that conc only works on the spell that triggered it.
Let's say it stays at +5% water dmg per mana, on 4 armour pieces that results in +20% water dmg per mana.

This means a 1 mana spell will get +20% water dmg applied on its damage (but not on any other spells!) while a 2 mana spell gets +40% water dmg and so on.

This water damage is only applied to that spell. The damage boost from a spell won't get applied on the next spell (that's how it currently works).

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:43 PM

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so i'm going to be entirely honest

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do you think this is practical

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:43 PM

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yes

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maybe buff the water dmg a bit

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to like +10%?

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per piece per mana

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:44 PM

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yeah i'm gonna grab lunch, please take a bit to look over that as a suggestion

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:44 PM

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alright

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Concept:

Concentration rework
+10% water damage per mana (= +40% water damage per mana when applied on all 4 armour pieces).

This damage boost is only applied on the spell that triggered it - a 1 mana spell will get 40% extra water damage, a 2 mana spell will get 80% extra water damage, ...
Every spell will get its own boost, a boost from a different spell will not carry over (It really only affects the spell that triggered it).

With Transcendence, 0 mana spells will still get the amount of water damage they'd get if Transcendence wouldn't trigger.

Still caps at +150%

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Dodge rework
Revert it to 1.19 dodge (stacks the way it does currently but gets reset to +0% air damage if you get hit)

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Endurance rework
Triggers every time you take damage equal to x% of your own hp instead of per hit. Let's say it's per 20%, then on a 15k hp build it will trigger every time you took 3k damage (so if you take let's say 1k damage per second it will trigger every 3 seconds)
Better idea: Stacks like it currently does (and up to 200%) but gets unleashed at the next attack

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Rage and Killstreak can stay the way they are currently

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I think that should be balanced?

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:58 PM

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yeah the concentration rework is still really unrealistic to even have let alone just incredibly weird designwise

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:58 PM

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rocky parcel yeah the concentration rework is still really unrealistic to even have let alone...

Why is it unrealistic?

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 1:59 PM

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how do i say this

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needlessly complicated?

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 1:59 PM

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Hmm

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The problem is that if it's a boost over a specific time you can just cast an expensive spell (= cast the same spell a few times without cycling) to max it out and then spam your usual cycle with +150% water damage

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 2:01 PM

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this is indeed true

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which part do you think is the problem

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 2:02 PM

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Probably the cap of +150% water damage

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Or that it's so easy to reach the cap

rocky parcel Jan 16, 2022, 2:02 PM

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see there you go

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and how would you solve that, do you think

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 2:03 PM

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earnest junco Probably the cap of +150% water damage

Lowering the cap

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 2:03 PM

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earnest junco Or that it's so easy to reach the cap

My suggestion

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both solutions work

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 2:03 PM

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earnest junco My suggestion

(then you'd need 4 4 4 4 to get +150% water damage on every spell)

valid crystal Jan 16, 2022, 3:24 PM

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if there was no cap on conc hspell meta?

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like hspell needs a mID to make mr 1/5th effectiveness but tick once per second then you could spam brainwash aquarius all sorts of mr ambivalence

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then you could maybe get hspell to work cause otherwise you just can’t deal with one or two casts per 5 seconds

west leaf Jan 16, 2022, 4:13 PM

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so why do notg tomes randomly give hp compared to tcc

silver comet Jan 16, 2022, 6:05 PM

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water rework seems a bit cracked ngl

earnest junco Jan 16, 2022, 7:15 PM

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silver comet water rework seems a bit cracked ngl

You mean my concentration rework?

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That'd make it way weaker than it currently is

valid crystal Jan 16, 2022, 10:46 PM

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west leaf so why do notg tomes randomly give hp compared to tcc

it’s a tier I tome

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yeah it kinda sucks

west leaf Jan 17, 2022, 12:08 AM

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valid crystal it’s a tier I tome

yeah

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why is the tier 1 the one with hp

zenith sinew Jan 17, 2022, 12:34 AM

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is it more ehp after ehp calc tho (probably since its free 600 health)

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except mythic armor tomes

tardy siren Jan 17, 2022, 8:47 AM

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I like concentration on warrior and assassin

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I can spam uppercut for the cost

rocky parcel Jan 17, 2022, 8:59 AM

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@iboju good stats for the cost

valid crystal Jan 17, 2022, 10:23 AM

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tardy siren I like concentration on warrior and assassin

conc built to large amounts of mr
then use olily and cast ashield, for one second you have +150%

hoary chasm Jan 17, 2022, 12:59 PM

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y-you also lose 1/2 your mana

raven cedar Jan 17, 2022, 9:10 PM

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valid crystal conc built to large amounts of mr then use olily and cast ashield, for one secon...

conc boost time also scales with mana used

valid crystal Jan 18, 2022, 6:55 AM

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raven cedar conc boost time also scales with mana used

it does? the desc is like internationally vague

valid crystal Jan 18, 2022, 6:55 AM

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hoary chasm y-you also lose 1/2 your mana

so you time your mr to hit right after you cast

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if you do actually get 13 seconds of +150% you are good for two cycles

vagrant junco Jan 18, 2022, 7:29 AM

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valid crystal it does? the desc is like internationally vague

how is this vague

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1sec/mana used

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5%wd/mana used

valid crystal Jan 18, 2022, 10:30 AM

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its not +5% per mana tied to the 1 second?

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tf

rocky parcel Jan 19, 2022, 9:21 PM

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https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/reopening-im-applications.298013/

Wynncraft Forums

Announcement - Reopening IM Applications!

Hi everyone!

[IMG]

Quick update from the IMs - after over a year without increasing the Item Team's size, we have decided to reopen the Item Team...

west leaf Jan 19, 2022, 9:22 PM

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who made that gif lol

rocky parcel Jan 19, 2022, 9:23 PM

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omg new nipnop profile pic

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and you're looking at the grand artist himself

west leaf Jan 19, 2022, 9:29 PM

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very talented

hoary chasm Jan 19, 2022, 10:14 PM

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Manage items

dusky marsh Jan 19, 2022, 10:29 PM

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yoo decidueye is back

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epic

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best starter

dusky marsh Jan 19, 2022, 10:29 PM

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rocky parcel and you're looking at the grand artist himself

you drew that??

raven cedar Jan 19, 2022, 11:17 PM

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👀

west leaf Jan 19, 2022, 11:18 PM

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@raven cedar

raven cedar Jan 19, 2022, 11:21 PM

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wow open im apps

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if only I had the time or energy to apply

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~~or the knowledge for that matter~~

west leaf Jan 19, 2022, 11:22 PM

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@lone ploverencil

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wtf

hoary chasm Jan 20, 2022, 3:05 PM

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@rocky parcel are Leos min rolls on its positive stats intentionally 420,60,9

rocky parcel Jan 20, 2022, 3:05 PM

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no

hoary chasm Jan 20, 2022, 3:06 PM

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this is so good

rocky parcel Jan 24, 2022, 10:41 AM

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topic: anyone working hard on an im app??

zenith sinew Jan 24, 2022, 2:10 PM

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yeah me (i have 0 words on my application right now and i plan to get it finished by 2042)

rocky parcel Jan 24, 2022, 2:45 PM

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excellent

hoary chasm Jan 24, 2022, 3:39 PM

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I opened it then remembered I didn’t have time

valid crystal Jan 24, 2022, 3:53 PM

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g

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have i mentioned my wind prison remake idea yet

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basically it holds for a full 5 seconds and the single attack with the highest air dmg in that 5s gets the 600% conversion and then the kb applies

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it works on cci mobs just the kb and holding doesn’t happen

dusky marsh Jan 24, 2022, 7:38 PM

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rocky parcel topic: anyone working hard on an im app??

me bc i didnt know shit about ingredients lol

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i could probably say the same for @pure sinew

rocky parcel Jan 24, 2022, 8:27 PM

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hmm i can't help you too much

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but for the t1 try to make something unique, and for the t3 just go for whatever powerful dumb shit you think can fit on an ingredient

dusky marsh Jan 24, 2022, 8:52 PM

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rocky parcel but for the t1 try to make something unique, and for the t3 just go for whatever...

goes without saying but thanks

west leaf Jan 25, 2022, 1:15 AM

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i am not working on mine ( i am not applying )

valid crystal Jan 25, 2022, 5:26 AM

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-2 tier atk spd
+500-720 neu main atk

hoary chasm Jan 25, 2022, 7:58 AM

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-20 attack speed

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-10 main neutral

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Legging

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Level 106

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I am the best item designer

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Please accept my item

valid crystal Jan 25, 2022, 8:01 AM

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thats a fair critique of my suggestion style /gen

valid crystal Jan 25, 2022, 1:33 PM

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oh yeah
narcissist rework possibly? or just an alternate major id
make aura push instead of pull

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so narcissist doesnt just kill you

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and +flashfreeze rework to make
your main attacks into flashfreeze icesnakes
your norma icesnakes get updated to 100% damage

hoary chasm Jan 25, 2022, 1:47 PM

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Wtf

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In my head there are quite a few glaring issues replacing the main attack with a spell

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But

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It does sound quite funny

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 9:33 PM

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I finally finished my item maker application :D

dusky marsh Jan 27, 2022, 9:37 PM

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I haven't 🥴

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gonna research into ingredients this weekend

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:42 PM

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remember, while the im apps won't necessarily close, after this weekend we will start actively checking and accepting applications

dusky marsh Jan 27, 2022, 9:43 PM

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which means they could very well close if there are 2 applications you are satisfied with on monday

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 9:45 PM

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wtfff im apps closing why wont you accommodate for mine which will be done in 2043

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i delayed it by 1 year

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:46 PM

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sorry we may have waited for 2042 but 2043 is really just too late

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 9:47 PM

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Bart my items might be a bit on the stronger side

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Please consider that I am new to item making and of course couldn't talk with anyone about their balance ☺️

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:48 PM

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they're going to be busted aren't they

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 9:48 PM

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rocky parcel they're going to be busted aren't they

no

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but probably a bit on the stronger side

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You'll see them anyway

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:48 PM

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well, balance is not quite the most important part of the app

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 9:49 PM

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great, my chances shouldn't be too bad then 😄

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:50 PM

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while very useful tools like my old baselines thread exist (which i would recommend people check out even if it's fairly barebones, unfinished and slightly inaccurate), players aren't expected to be able to quite know what is and what isn't balanced down to a t

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 9:50 PM

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the item: 5000 raw melee no tierdrop no other downsides

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:50 PM

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though, clearly imbalanced items won't help

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 9:51 PM

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zenith sinew the item: 5000 raw melee no tierdrop no other downsides

Tator I am actively classbuilding for over 3 years so you can expect me to not make completely busted items 🙂

dusky marsh Jan 27, 2022, 9:51 PM

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im willing to bet theyre fire weapons

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:51 PM

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i will check out your application later and if they are unbalanced i WILL make fun of you

west leaf Jan 27, 2022, 9:52 PM

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I am going to put every raid buff onto a spear and use it to apply

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:52 PM

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(at some point in time after applications will have closed again)

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thank U poobis

simple talon Jan 27, 2022, 9:52 PM

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my IM application item is Flipped amulet of rejuvenation

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 9:52 PM

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silence kio slicer

simple talon Jan 27, 2022, 9:58 PM

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it is balanced by the -750 hpr (It is like grandmother)

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:00 PM

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an IM-made quest would just be lost tower combined with heart of llevigar because we're dweebs like that

simple talon Jan 27, 2022, 10:00 PM

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no it would be elemental excercise 2

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it would be nothing but a 30-minute long cutscene which is just an exposition dump of niche classbuilding facts

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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why would we do that

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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If I made a quest it would feature the hardest solo-content in the game

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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simple talon it is balanced by the -750 hpr (It is like grandmother)

hmm yes this is fairly balanced

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:02 PM

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because of course it would

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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earnest junco If I made a quest it would feature the hardest solo-content in the game

(real)

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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hardest solo content: boss rush but all bosses at the same time

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friendly fire off

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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good idea

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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yes very good and original

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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honestly no we would definitely also host some sort of sequel to ??? that required you to throw gale's force or gale's sight into gale's tomb and beat randall the vandal and that sorta stuff

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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that actually sounds really fun

simple talon Jan 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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rocky parcel why would we do that

people must learn that attack speed modifies stealing chances

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:03 PM

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LI but all bosses at once

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:04 PM

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i miss the days where threads would literally be a list of things they threw into gale's tomb that DIDN't do anything

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 10:04 PM

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hardest solo content for real: solo orphion without getting crystalized (literally impossible)

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:04 PM

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people used to do that for months until someone turned on their xray hacks and showed there wasn't even anything other than a hopper under there

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 10:05 PM

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i would love for a ??? revamp

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:05 PM

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zenith sinew hardest solo content for real: solo orphion without getting crystalized (literal...

Get crystalized, solo it anyway 😎

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The key is Pandemonium

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it frees you

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:05 PM

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i think ??? as is is still mostly fine

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i don't actually know if it still even works

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:05 PM

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a second ??? at level 105 would be nice

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:06 PM

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i remember the token in karoc quarry not existing at some point post rebuild lol

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idk it's kinda old in some spots but it just needs a bit of updating and really not any reworking

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:06 PM

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earnest junco a second ??? at level 105 would be nice

~~Where you have to throw every mythic boot into the void right in front of the portal to dern in order to get teleported to dern~~

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:06 PM

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more ??? or something would be cool but even if it happened we would definitely not tell anyone

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:06 PM

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rocky parcel i remember the token in karoc quarry not existing at some point post rebuild lol

that was fixed after some time

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 10:07 PM

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actually maybe it doesn't need a revamp, it's fun to watch people not understand wynntron

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:07 PM

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oh yeah i just remembered something

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have you guys seen the new clock tower from the clock mytsery

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:07 PM

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yes

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old one was better tbh

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 10:08 PM

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wow item discussion yes

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pro tempore vs memento please fix

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virtuoso saltroll

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:09 PM

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zenith sinew pro tempore vs memento please fix

Memento 😳

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:09 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/932327233392087110/unknown.png

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:09 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-memories-name-ben-kenobi-gif-4100026

Tenor

Haven't heard that in a while

▶ Play video

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Speaking of it, yes, memento definetly needs a small buff

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:09 PM

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not gonna disagree but also won't elaborate

zenith sinew Jan 27, 2022, 10:09 PM

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i mean there are so many items that need updating to modern standards tbh

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but that takes work

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and working is hard

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:10 PM

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^ which probably is one of the reasons why they reopened applications

rocky parcel Jan 27, 2022, 10:10 PM

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currently not terribly motivated to work more on items tbh

earnest junco Jan 27, 2022, 10:10 PM

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I am :)

west leaf Jan 27, 2022, 10:13 PM

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zenith sinew hardest solo content for real: solo orphion without getting crystalized (literal...

I get it’s kind of a joke but it definitely is possible and has happened

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just gotta be lucky

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like literally, the mechanic is literally rng on whether or not it happens

amber spruce Jan 27, 2022, 11:21 PM

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Can also just use pande

west leaf Jan 27, 2022, 11:22 PM

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well he didnt say freeing yourself

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he said not getting crystallized period

amber spruce Jan 27, 2022, 11:23 PM

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That is not content that is just a specific challenge 🥱

raven cedar Jan 28, 2022, 2:44 AM

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me when the only items I ever make are the most gimmick heavy things youve ever seen

valid crystal Jan 28, 2022, 10:09 AM

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earnest junco The key is Pandemonium

or playing archer or mage or shaman and casting

storm or bomb straight up
meteor
totem + aura
half a second pre crystall

earnest junco Jan 28, 2022, 11:01 AM

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valid crystal or playing archer or mage or shaman and casting > storm or bomb straight up > m...

They dont do enough dmg

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But yes archer works

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You can cast multiple storms and a bomb straight up

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And if you have a build with good damage output that can free you

valid crystal Jan 28, 2022, 11:01 AM

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how much hp does crustal have

earnest junco Jan 28, 2022, 11:02 AM

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valid crystal how much hp does crustal have

Forgot how much exactly but I think like >100k

dusky marsh Jan 28, 2022, 1:25 PM

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raven cedar me when the only items I ever make are the most gimmick heavy things youve ever ...

EOcraft the #1 MMORPG

raven cedar Jan 28, 2022, 1:28 PM

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earnest junco Forgot how much exactly but I think like >100k

it’s 80k

valid crystal Jan 28, 2022, 4:53 PM

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what kind of mythic boots could you make in theory that didn’t give hp as base stat? or gave -hp?

raven cedar Jan 28, 2022, 5:13 PM

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see: cloudwalkers, broken balance, phage pins, virgo

hoary chasm Jan 28, 2022, 5:34 PM

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Mythic Virgo with 6 tiers

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ppfart

dusky marsh Jan 28, 2022, 7:53 PM

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-20 in every skill point and -100 in intelligence

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doom

rocky parcel Jan 28, 2022, 8:04 PM

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skill issue?

valid crystal Jan 29, 2022, 3:54 AM

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dusky marsh -20 in every skill point and -100 in intelligence

moontower moment, sorta]

valid crystal Jan 29, 2022, 4:11 AM

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https://wynnbuilder.github.io/customizer.html#10000AFreelancer013cThese boots instill within the wearer a dislike for stability and a deep yearning for new sights. The faded inscription reads,"Let us, the >/'?;s'/, never be chained again."0250401030530H011o0J0201a0K0201a0L011o0M0201W0P020160Q010U0S0201B0T011A0U010A0W010A0X011U0h0C+Lightweight0k0200L1R0m0202jBi0n010140t010Ex0+023KKAy100231V0p120200I1E130200I1E140231V0p1L01013

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weird concept where i went for something like the nothing except boots

valid crystal Jan 29, 2022, 5:49 AM

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link broke

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https://wynnbuilder.github.io/customizer.html#10000AFreelancer013cThese boots instill within the wearer a dislike for stability and a deep yearning for new sights. The faded inscription reads,"Let us, the >/'?;s'/, never be chained 250401030530H011o0J0201a0K0201a0L011o0M0201W0P020160Q010U0S0201B0T011A0U010A0W010A0X011U0h0C+Lightweight0k0200L1R0m0202jBi0n010140+023KKAy100231V0p120200I1E130200I1E140231V0p1L01013

earnest junco Jan 29, 2022, 10:23 AM

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https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index.html#5_0Au0Jr0Ig039CI-10000AFreelancer0250401030530H011o0J0201a0K0201a0L011o0M0201W0P020160Q010U0S0201B0T011A0U010A0W010A0X011U0h0C+Lightweight0k0200L1R0m0202jBi0n010140+023KKAy100231V0p120200I1E130200I1E140231V0p1L010130A50A50K40uI0QQ-x2C1f-d1M1g000010036C
WynnBuilder build:

Cumulonimbus
Gale's Freedom
Gemini
Freelancer
Rune of Safe Passage
Rune of Safe Passage
Prowess
Eyes on All
Cataclysm [t6t6t6]

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interesting concept

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ETW except it trades very little ehp for ~2/3 dodge chance https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index.html#5_0Au0ol0D4039CI-10000AFreelancer0250401030530H011o0J0201a0K0201a0L011o0M0201W0P020160Q010U0S0201B0T011A0U010A0W010A0X011U0h0C+Lightweight0k0200L1R0m0202jBi0n010140+023KKAy100231V0p120200I1E130200I1E140231V0p1L010130K00OS0ON0uI0QQ-s2C1f-Y1f1g000010036C
WynnBuilder build:

Cumulonimbus
Tesla
Dark Shroud
Freelancer
Intensity
Diamond Static Ring
Diamond Static Bracelet
Eyes on All
Cataclysm [t6t6t6]

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actual build https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index.html#5_0Au0u70D4039CI-10000AFreelancer0250401030530H011o0J0201a0K0201a0L011o0M0201W0P020160Q010U0S0201B0T011A0U010A0W010A0X011U0h0C+Lightweight0k0200L1R0m0202jBi0n010140+023KKAy100231V0p120200I1E130200I1E140231V0p1L0101309q09q0K40uI0Qw-t2C1f-Z1T1g0000102J6I
WynnBuilder build:

Cumulonimbus
Stratosphere
Dark Shroud
Freelancer
Black Catalyst
Black Catalyst
Prowess
Eyes on All
Thrundacrack [w6t6t6w6]

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these boots arent even that op

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since getting hp in TWA is really hard

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but sadly they're really roll dependant

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you want good raw spell, % spell, ms, ls, air dmg, thunder dmg, jump height

rocky parcel Jan 29, 2022, 11:09 AM

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valid crystal weird concept where i went for something like the nothing except boots

problem with this is that this extreme for spell % and raw spell doesn't work

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the reverse would, though

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(not to mention the other stats are fucked combined with that lol)

valid crystal Jan 29, 2022, 2:19 PM

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yeah i was considering maybe ewf with -1000% spell and +1000 neutral spell

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also
you know how rymek has people selling things like upgraded copper plate, broken sandust, etc? its just the item except higher level with like 70% rolls and different eledefs

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and pirate cove sells cursed jackboots -> abysso galoshes

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we should have more of thos

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https://wynnbuilder.github.io/customizer.html#10000AFreelancer013cThese boots instill within the wearer a dislike for stability and a deep yearning for new sights. The faded inscription reads,"Let us, the >/'?;s'/, never be chained 250401030530H011o0J0201a0K0201a0L011o0M0201W0P020160Q010U0S0201B0T011A0U010A0W010A0X011U0h0C+Lightweight0k0200w1R0m0207SBi0n010340+023KKAy100231V0p120200o1E130200o1E140231V0p1L01013
the max is the same i just changed the roll bases to 0.7-1.1

raven cedar Jan 29, 2022, 5:21 PM

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you can’t change roll bases lol

simple talon Jan 29, 2022, 9:04 PM

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Seems like more if a janky fabled or rare item design than a mythic but it's neat

hoary chasm Jan 29, 2022, 9:10 PM

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it seems like there is too much going on on it

valid crystal Jan 30, 2022, 2:02 AM

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raven cedar you can’t change roll bases lol

aren’t there some items that do?

rocky parcel Jan 30, 2022, 4:43 PM

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last reminder: we'll be starting to check the item maker applications in a couple of days- this doesn't necessarily mean that you won't be able to get in if you send in your application later, but if there are plenty good applications by the time we begin to go over them, you may just miss out!

pallid nebula Jan 31, 2022, 5:52 PM

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i can’t wait for immediate rejection

dusky marsh Jan 31, 2022, 7:24 PM

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everyone who didnt tick the "interested in ingredients box"

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(me)

dusky marsh Feb 1, 2022, 12:04 AM

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yah i edited a load of the stuff i'd written when i checked it for a second time

valid crystal Feb 1, 2022, 2:32 PM

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valid crystal and pirate cove sells cursed jackboots -> abysso galoshes

actually tho since you can /fixquests to get new abysso galoshes after doing lost soles there’s no point having the cursed jackboots

pallid nebula Feb 1, 2022, 2:43 PM

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instantly applying was probably not the greatest idea lol

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should have waited it out and thought out the app more thoroughly

raven cedar Feb 2, 2022, 5:48 AM

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valid crystal actually tho since you can /fixquests to get new abysso galoshes after doing los...

p sure thats considered an exploit

valid crystal Feb 2, 2022, 6:38 AM

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you don’t gain any emeralds

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because abysso can’t be sold to blacksmith

pallid nebula Feb 2, 2022, 3:41 PM

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it’s still giving you the item when you shouldn’t have it

zenith sinew Feb 2, 2022, 3:42 PM

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trading in abysso for an objectively worse item except for xp

dusky marsh Feb 2, 2022, 8:26 PM

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i thought cursed jackboots were merchant bought with LE?

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^ i was going to mention that but i wasn't exactly sure how to buy jackboots

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i would've said "if you roll trash on abysso you can trade it in "

zenith sinew Feb 2, 2022, 8:33 PM

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yeah but the problem is that its fixed rolls and 2/3 ms so L dont care

rocky parcel Feb 2, 2022, 8:36 PM

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cursed jackboots are literally from a normal merchant in pirate cove

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same guy that sells pirate's luck and stuff

dusky marsh Feb 2, 2022, 9:02 PM

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rocky parcel cursed jackboots are literally from a normal merchant in pirate cove

ong that's what i thought

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i be tripping

tardy siren Feb 2, 2022, 9:15 PM

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just curious why is there air damage % on wall breaker

dusky marsh Feb 2, 2022, 9:22 PM

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ETA !!!!

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wind prison !

earnest junco Feb 2, 2022, 9:58 PM

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Yes apparently they really wanted us to use wind prison

dusky marsh Feb 2, 2022, 10:11 PM

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hmm

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too bad wind prison sucks

earnest junco Feb 2, 2022, 10:40 PM

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Why did this thing not get nerfed yet? https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0K909-0aN0Ju0Iz0DU0OL0og0u+-Y0y-E2U2R1g00001006CU
WynnBuilder build:

Sparkweaver
Conduit of Spirit
Resolve
Hephaestus-Forged Sabatons
Gloomstone
Darksteel Ring
Diamond Solar Bracelet
Tenuto
Immolation [a6f6f6]

earnest junco Feb 2, 2022, 10:59 PM

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Removing the elemental dmg and lowering the sp by 15-20 each could work

earnest junco Feb 2, 2022, 11:00 PM

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earnest junco Why did this thing not get nerfed yet? https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0K909-0a...

Then this would have 213k ehp and 7.5k auras

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Lowered the sp by 20 each

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So this would definetly not kill it but at least hurt quite a bit

valid crystal Feb 2, 2022, 11:01 PM

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isn’t immo considered a shythic atm

dusky marsh Feb 2, 2022, 11:14 PM

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no??

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i think the combination of extremely high EHP coupled with some of the highest damage makes immo too op

hoary chasm Feb 2, 2022, 11:19 PM

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immo is too stronk

rocky parcel Feb 2, 2022, 11:26 PM

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immolation is pretty convincingly the best mythic relik at the moment, i'd say

west leaf Feb 2, 2022, 11:27 PM

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who is calling immo bad wtf

dusky marsh Feb 2, 2022, 11:28 PM

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for sure

dusky marsh Feb 2, 2022, 11:28 PM

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valid crystal isn’t immo considered a shythic atm

him

west leaf Feb 2, 2022, 11:28 PM

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people will just shit on anything spell shaman nowadays

dusky marsh Feb 2, 2022, 11:28 PM

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i would rather see sunstar have -3rd cost but i don't necessarily hate that immo has it

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it contributes to immo's uniqueness

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and i don't think sunstar is so bad that it's in dire need of a buff

valid crystal Feb 2, 2022, 11:42 PM

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oh no i must be thinking of a different relik

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