#Item Discussion

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west leaf
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hey bart. add second spell stats to paradox. it would be cool.

amber spruce
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cannot say more or else I will be 1984'ed

rocky parcel
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@amber spruce gargalon :doom:

amber spruce
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Cuma bout it

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yk

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Morph stardust and equalizer function differently

rocky parcel
amber spruce
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when it comes to getting popped

west leaf
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please i am begging for more melee build mobility options

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its so lame that melee effectively requires way more mobility than any spell based build and yet it suffers the most due to lack of mana sustain and second spell costs

native barn
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oblivion melee

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with 1 mana cost vanish

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😎

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still expecting an oblivion + timerift melee meta

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😭

west leaf
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like seriously i dont get that

amber spruce
rocky parcel
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a lot of melee options are already speedy

west leaf
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its really just

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tfa and quad

amber spruce
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efa items give mad ws

rocky parcel
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yeah

west leaf
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and eta to a smaller extent

native barn
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Inferno

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grants

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insane walkspeed

amber spruce
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eta also gives some ws depending on what you use

native barn
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@rocky parcel thank u again

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for the inferno buff

rocky parcel
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ETF shouldn't be getting any real speed anyway lol

amber spruce
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Inferno is not inherently melee!!

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Spell cooler

rocky parcel
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hybrid inferno except actually done well

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:D

odd condor
amber spruce
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Hybrid but you have a shit damage multiplier spell and it's better to use mana on vanish

west leaf
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but i dont think that just half of the melee archetypes with decent-good walkspeed is good enough to compare to spell build mobility

rocky parcel
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ok go ahead use delirium in the heavy melee build. i'm waiting

amber spruce
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I am pretty sure kio does that

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Like delirium saltidicae

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Heavy melee

rocky parcel
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yeah he would do that

odd condor
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Why would you need delirium on top of salticidae

amber spruce
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Zoom

odd condor
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Fair enough

rocky parcel
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class builds any% strati skip!!

odd condor
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He also uses dvision for even more zoom I think

rocky parcel
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kio has an addiction to jump height

west leaf
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there comes a point where theres just too much jump height

rocky parcel
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just like xavier

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why do people love jump height so much

amber spruce
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jh is fun

odd condor
west leaf
rocky parcel
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i don't even like playing with more than 1, MAYBE 2 jup height

amber spruce
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I used 14jh mage in wars once

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It was funny

rocky parcel
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lol

west leaf
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you ever use olympic in orphion

amber spruce
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Wait 17*

west leaf
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genuinely will no hit the boss

odd condor
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Lmfao

rocky parcel
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lol really

west leaf
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fucker cant reach you

amber spruce
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Simply

rocky parcel
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i haven't done orphion in ages but doesn't he have several good ranged attacks

amber spruce
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Fatal tp meteor cycle

west leaf
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by ranged as in explosion

amber spruce
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Troll hard

west leaf
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yes

rocky parcel
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oh yeah that would be easily avoided with olympic yeah

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i really regret double vision

west leaf
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he has a sort of headbutt attack

odd condor
west leaf
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and meteor

rocky parcel
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it was even my idea

west leaf
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but thats it

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in terms of range

rocky parcel
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and then i somehow let them put base 3 jump height on it

amber spruce
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division is so cool

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except quest req

odd condor
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Its one item

amber spruce
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Quest req sucks

west leaf
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shut the fuck up and do realm of light

rocky parcel
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don't tell me you're abbreviating double vision to division now

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that doesn't even make any sense

west leaf
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his dumb ass is probably on his phone

odd condor
amber spruce
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Accidentla extra i

west leaf
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and it autocorrected

amber spruce
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Shut your fuck up

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Oh

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It was autocorrect

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Division

odd condor
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Lmfao

rocky parcel
west leaf
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you WILL enjoy wynncraft storytelling.

odd condor
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I do like it like

west leaf
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same

rocky parcel
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i will enjoy: wynncraft excavation storytelling.
i will enjoy: hunger of the gerts storytelling.
i will enjoy: dwarves and doguns storytelling (as long as i forget it's 4 quests and not 2)
i will enjoy: the entire corkus overarching stories.

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but rol storyline is a painful one

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sorry

west leaf
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because if you enjoy hunger of gerts i hate you

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with a passion

rocky parcel
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i can only decide to quit wynn and secretly return the next day after seeing bak'al appear in front of the nexus of light so many times until i actually quit

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i really like hunger of the gerts :D

west leaf
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i fucking hate you

rocky parcel
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what the flip

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i didn't know there were any people that dislike hunger of the gerts

west leaf
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there are theyre ME

rocky parcel
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it's such a neat questline

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i always look forward to it

west leaf
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no its not

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ok

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so

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part 1 is just

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its alright

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we have funny green creatures that turn out to be transformed villagers which leads to a philosophical debate about the morality of the actions and atrocities committed by both "species" at this point

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but then

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part 2

rocky parcel
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oh i forgot about the transformed villagers part

amber spruce
rocky parcel
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i admittedly haven't done hunger of the gerts since before 1.20 release

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please tell me they didn't fuck up hunger of the gerts

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please tell me they didn't fuck up hunger of the gerts

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please tell me they didn't fuck up hunger of the gerts

hoary chasm
west leaf
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you get: complete tonal shift from part 1 with no real relevance to the former that takes an opportunity to shove a message about real world battery farming down the player's throat and attempts to make us empathize with the murderous gerts which had no upbringing to their characters and simply because they are "haha, funny green men"

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no

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its the same as its always been

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ive always hated it

rocky parcel
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alright great

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i don't know if i could've taken that

elder swan
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hunger of the gerts 😠

west leaf
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me when im a 13 year old child playing wynncraft and i laugh at the funny green gert man but suddenly i find myself in a battery farm with sick chickens and a man named "big butch" telling me hes doing the right thing

rocky parcel
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i still don't get why gerts are apparently villagers now

west leaf
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shrug

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adds more to their character i say

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before they were apart of the "greenskin" family

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which got reworked lorewise in 1.20

rocky parcel
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really just adds to the "whatever, fuck it, cosmic magic" pile

west leaf
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and i like that it differentiates them from orcs so as to where they arent the same green hostile invasive species that goes to war with villagers

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its apart of the cosmic magic "it just works" issue yes

rocky parcel
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and it doesn't really contribute anything to the plot, the message or the lore other than the fact that the gerts were apparently not always there but assumed by the villagers to not be "sentient enough"

rocky parcel
west leaf
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if you asked me they never really had a reason to exist at all

west leaf
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villagers are simultaneously at war with both orcs and gerts at the same time

rocky parcel
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gerts have much more reason to exist than the orcs

west leaf
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both green and muscley invasive species

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except at least one of them now has a backstory

rocky parcel
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wtf?? nipnop greenskin incident? social score went down????

west leaf
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(granted, lazy, but)

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my employers when they find my discord message history and search "ava"

rocky parcel
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when you are asked about the "Wynncraft Fanfics (i'm sorry)" Discord server in your job interview

west leaf
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this went from items to quests real fast

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so uh.

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how about them items

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items are great huh

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i love items

rocky parcel
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use scale of seiryu or die trying please

amber spruce
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suppression dies of cringe

hoary chasm
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i forgot

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they censored that

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"scale of pp"

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there we go

west leaf
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you cant even send pen fifteen

hoary chasm
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i think censorship of pee pee

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is the worst

west leaf
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how about that mf uhhhhhh

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uhhhhhhhhhh

rocky parcel
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truily 1984

west leaf
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metamorphosis

rocky parcel
hoary chasm
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I mean I jus don see why id use scale

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of

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pee pee

rocky parcel
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,,please

hoary chasm
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too high agi req Yawn

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too punishing Yawn

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capri :awooga:

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wtf

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wheres my awooga

west leaf
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took it away

hoary chasm
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ok censored emoji

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truly 1984

west leaf
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you lost your awooga permissions

hoary chasm
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I thought bot was crossing lines when it was first here but this is truly 1984 cant say 1/2 the words in the english language

earnest junco
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  • hpr exists
  • life steal exists
  • rally exists
  • greed is extremely strong already
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And shaman healing of course

amber spruce
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potions impair

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crafted consumable with no ingredient impair

hoary chasm
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Greed is fine

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Why woulda buff

amber spruce
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so he can use greed in war more effectively

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Actually idk if it was you or liual who had the assassin solo greed

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cool build tho

hoary chasm
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Exploited assassin healer build

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😤

amber spruce
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Na

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Become proffas

native barn
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no one uses it

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every single raid, u just cant do without a mage

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having a specific class in a raid mandatory is sad

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like i wanna be able to do raids without a mage man

hoary chasm
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?

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Raids are fine

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Without a mage

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Onol can be nice with one

native barn
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onol ?

hoary chasm
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Onol is fine without, builds with their own life sustain do just fine

native barn
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tcc is really hard without a mage

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we went in with 4 greed people

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and barely managed to do it

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like unless u have 4 archers sniping everything from far

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u need a mage

hoary chasm
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Honestly, I hate to say skill issue but tcc gives so many hpr and ehp building upgrades, it’s really quite easy to do without a mage

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Onol is trickier imo as it offers less of those upgrades and the boss fight is much more of a cluster fuck of things that can kill you

earnest junco
earnest junco
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@native barn what are you using?

native barn
earnest junco
native barn
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60% ?

earnest junco
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Then you shouldnt have problems

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Or do you have bad ele defs?

hoary chasm
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60% wtfrog

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Stolen pearl ring ?

amber spruce
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Stolen pearls bro

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Cal 🙄

hoary chasm
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Sigma balls

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I said it quicker than you

amber spruce
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But I was not asking

hoary chasm
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Idk they might have cracked stealing % build no crafteds

amber spruce
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There is actually a cracked vortexian version but it's not really good anymore post nerf

west leaf
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u can do all raids without a mage

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they make it easier yea

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but it’s not that bad

west leaf
hoary chasm
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I said less Despair

west leaf
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yea I know

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ophanim 2 is just Really Fucking Funny to me

native barn
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4 people

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with assassin

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all 60% stealing

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we suffered

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we barely did it

ivory schooner
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skill issue

hoary chasm
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If you all got Stone Walker 3 or atleast some stone Walker it shoulda been speed

amber spruce
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melee in tcc does eat shit a lot

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Since you have crazy stonewalker dps but you just eat every attack the boss throws

raven cedar
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agi saltroll

earnest junco
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Consider: Bygones can get the same but with courage

west leaf
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i hate raid buffs

amber spruce
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emb

west leaf
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@amber spruce

rocky parcel
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topic: raid/dungeon rewards

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maybe throw in quest rewards too

hoary chasm
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Orang lily is dungeon reward, orange lily too strongt likent

west leaf
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quest rewards are all pretty good nowadays with a clearly defined use for each of them

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no complaint there

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there’s a ton of shitass dungeon items

hoary chasm
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I hesitated to say that as Idrk how decent say CDS items are on level

west leaf
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raid rewards are also quite hit or miss

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(the accessories at least)

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what’s that one bracelet from notg

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might be the most forgettable fabled of all time

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and what the fuck is cacophony used for

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metamorphosis I can see where itd be good it’s just not that often viable

hoary chasm
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Homeorhesis

west leaf
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abrasion is ok now I haven’t tried it

hoary chasm
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Or however you spell it

west leaf
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yea

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something like that

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idr how to spell it either

hoary chasm
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Doesnt matter it’s balls sunglaso

west leaf
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mhm

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maybe it’d have potential usage with pure if it weren’t a bracelet

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because deye pure synergy is almost a must

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oh yea and uhhh

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the nothing

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lol

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that’s like the only case

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where I see that bracelet being usable

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it might be ok for rawstack too idk

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but rawstack is shitass

odd condor
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and for rawstack you can just use prowess for 20 sp like

west leaf
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so true

west leaf
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anything below is just a waste of time though

earnest junco
odd condor
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ingo sorry but not every necklace is gonna have -tiers

earnest junco
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but it'd fit

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Abrasion currently isnt used at all

raven cedar
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bUt iT’d fIt

torpid crow
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it's used exactly where you'd expect it to be used

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abrasion is just too weak for what it's meant to do - it got a buff into something resembling usability with the req removal, but it also got bonked by the std changes relatively speaking

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homeorhesis bad and idk why that wasn't just calculated out ahead of time and fixed tbh

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maybe time constraints, raids were (as usual...) kinda rushed out

west leaf
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ah, raids…

native barn
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good? 😎

amber spruce
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probably

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its not like crazy by any means

hoary chasm
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youre crazy uwu

amber spruce
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😽

hoary chasm
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Thunder defense sunglaso

ivory schooner
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just a large contrast in the usefulness of some end game dungeon items

west leaf
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saying it’s bad? that’s what I’m assuming

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yea it’s kinda bleh now and I’d much rather use earth breaker for heavy melee

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the damage difference is pretty menial now and it doesn’t nuke your costs and agi

ivory schooner
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yes

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writhing growth is such a cool item but they fucking destroyed it and now the downsides are not nearly worth the dmg

west leaf
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it’s the best option for cancelstack but cancelstack is pretty bad now (at the very least, it got hugely power crept by both heavy melee and tierstack)

ivory schooner
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tierstack outdmges cancelstack easily now

west leaf
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mhm

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yea writhing growth just not that useful anymore

ivory schooner
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yes

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but it should be buffed again

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it's difficult to hit like 22k dps with it now

west leaf
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hmm well it’s not like it ever really hit close to 30k that easily with a balanced build

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it’s just that heavy melee and tierstack literally just got buffed

native barn
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cancelstack / heavy melee is really bad i would say

hoary chasm
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Heavy melee assassin very coolt

odd condor
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salticidae heavy melee my beloved

earnest junco
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-5 tier writhing maybe?

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no other changes to it

ivory schooner
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that would be cool? idk tbh

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also buff necrosis

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i get that a nerf was needed but -1000 main and 120 dex was a bit much, but with str dex they didnt buff the -1000 main so it was an even larger nerf for the item

earnest junco
native barn
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the sad part about cancelstack is that it cant use armor powders

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so it gets outclassed by simple tierstack builds

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also writhing growth makes it so that u cant get any agi

odd condor
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pz cancelstack:

native barn
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i would say that we need some buffs for cancelstack

west leaf
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or just give us old rainmaker duh

ivory schooner
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whats old rainmaker again

west leaf
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like 200 tiers or something

odd condor
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yeah it does a little trolling with heavy melee

ivory schooner
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we want old dawnbreak (-3 tiers, 7800 melee)

west leaf
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true

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but still remove the hpr

odd condor
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it was -6 tiers

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an average day for alka

west leaf
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wow that is

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not as good as i expected it to be

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e just use dawn

ivory schooner
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max was -3 with 7800 melee

odd condor
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ok yeah holy shit dbreak was broken

ivory schooner
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no perfectly balanced bring it back

earnest junco
raven cedar
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epoch?

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nvm this is stronger

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eh arguable actually since boosts

slow fox
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my balls itch

young flame
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wait

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no way

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its poopfungus50

slow fox
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poopfungus50

rocky parcel
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please keep this channel on topic

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uhhhh

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topic: favourite item lore

slow fox
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oblivion lore

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thrillers lore is pretty good

west leaf
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the new mythics have lore?

slow fox
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no

young flame
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toether

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so cool

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epic lore

earnest junco
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To be fair, back then full damage rainmaker had 12k dps

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Raw melee items were way weaker

native barn
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still weaker than your average tierstack assassin build

hoary chasm
rocky parcel
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shoot i should have known asking that would lead to people making fun of lore-less items

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abort topic

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new topic: how cool do you think thematically related items are

odd condor
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extremely gamer

odd condor
earnest junco
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I love tcrack's/fatal's lore

torpid crow
slow fox
earnest junco
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:doom:

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(it has no lore right?)

still oxide
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ye

vagrant junco
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ofc not they havent even given lore to reliks yet

raven cedar
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procrastination lore is p top tier

hoary chasm
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Recent procras nerf DDD:::::

vagrant junco
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true procras best lore

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also give more reliks lore

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there are only 11 reliks with lore and 40+ for every other type of weapon

vagrant junco
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currently in the process of coping

wicked juniper
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anything except ignition

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and gemini

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i am a particularly big fan of outrage lore though

vagrant junco
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legendary medallion lore like

simple talon
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Orange lily is overpowered is what comes to mind when I think about cluster

elder nymph
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i use cluster since i havent done cur 4 times yet even tho i could

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no lmao

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its just morph cluster

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i have a tenuto tho

earnest junco
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No, orange lily just is better. After it got nerfed cluster will be used again

pure sinew
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anyone have any thoughts on ttide?

hollow goblet
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it's a good lategame bow that's basically restricted to spellspam

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already one of the better weapons at its level

rocky parcel
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torrential tide is so good at level

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it's like a what locrian is to assassins

odd condor
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imagine ever switching from hashr claw until black

hollow goblet
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the one time i've ever used hashr claw was on a HI character, but i lost it to rymek luke due to multiple levels of bs stacked

earnest junco
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I used 1-39: therck
39-89: hashr claw [T6-T6]
89-100: manna

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On my 2nd assassin

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🤔

drifting pike
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wtf

hollow goblet
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imagine not making a new build every 10 levels and using op meta sets/weapons

rocky parcel
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wtf.

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i always build during playthrough

earnest junco
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I also usually do that

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But I couldnt find a good impulse so I kept using hashr claw

rocky parcel
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locrian is unironically one of the most powerful weapons at-level

wicked juniper
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barkgraft

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(i think it was fixed tho)

native barn
rocky parcel
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topic: funniest item or ingredient

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(not running out of topics totally)

elder swan
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we should talk about raid buffs 🙂

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also lunar spine is funny

young flame
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ingredient

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If i were a wynn regular thats ignorant and is unfunny i would make a joke here about how the item team is incompetent and none of the items are funny

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I cant recall anything funny genuienly :((

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I forgor

hoary chasm
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Old leopard blood

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Funni

torpid crow
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wtf community helper role icon

hollow goblet
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the icon honestly gives off the vibe that chs are just really confused people

pure sinew
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they forgor

earnest junco
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Suicide major ID on the glassiest class on a low damage weapon

rocky parcel
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not low damage actually

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just not thunder or fire. haha

ivory schooner
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how is narcissist not low dmg

earnest junco
raven cedar
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what lvl is it

vagrant junco
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96 iirc

rocky parcel
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i will repeat ny earlier statement

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it is not low damage
it just isn't thunder or fire

ivory schooner
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it is low dmg tho

vagrant junco
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what is its base

ivory schooner
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732

vagrant junco
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ig thats not terrible

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then again it does have -sd

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and a terrible major id considering how glassy shaman is

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nvm was clicked on assassin base dmg not shaman that is hot garbage

ivory schooner
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it is lmao

vagrant junco
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wtf it should be almost 800 to be at the baseline

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that is so ass

ivory schooner
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but like its earth, it should be decent dmg at least

raven cedar
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seems like the ideal cactus weapon

torpid crow
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not like

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super low

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but it low

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pretty sure Hardcore is higher

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yeah

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Hardcore is about 1.7% higher base damage, and also doesn't have -damages, has +earth damage, has spell cost, and doesn't have a massively negative major id

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meanwhile narcissist has

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walkspeed

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(the hpr doesn't count obv)

vagrant junco
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that is actually sad

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rare weapon beating fabled weapon in base

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while also having useful dmg stats

torpid crow
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there's nothing wrong with the base damage

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the main issue with Narcissist

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is that one or more IMs expected the major ID to be a big positive, when instead it is a big negative

rocky parcel
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nah we know it's a risky major id lol

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not that dense

torpid crow
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you say this but that sure didn't sound like what selvut thought

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selvut definitely pushed it as a big positive

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when "risky" is pushing it, it has next to no upsides

rocky parcel
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neat major IDs >> strong major IDs

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(aka the hawkeye ptsd)

hoary chasm
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I’d agree but I see nothing “neat” about geocentrism

torpid crow
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neat major IDs + good item > strong but bland major IDs + good item > neat major IDs + bad item

young flame
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wybel fluff bow irrelevant?

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practicality,,., , ,

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huh

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how are the top bows related lmao

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or what are you even relating here

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this honestly just looks like a glorified baselines tier list

raven cedar
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probs combat capability

young flame
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wybel fluff xp tho ☹️

pure sinew
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strati should be in the irrelevant to tierlist tier saltroll

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Ong

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where maelstrom

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maelstrom a/b tier if it were there

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bob's bow would be in mythic tier (get it its Bob's MYTHIC bow)

hoary chasm
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Wtf demons will C??

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Goated

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A tier

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Wtf false

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But you said it was rated by rated by genuine practicality and strength

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There can just be lots of

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Practical TF

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Options

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cluster is just demons will but like, cringe

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:<

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|:(

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Is shaj not an alright enough offhand to be C?

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MMm

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I gooess

soft matrix
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where would you put epoch in this

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wow thamk

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but like were in mythic tier

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in between ignis and gma?

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from personal use id say between divzer and ignis but my usage of ignis was very limited

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alot of people say that idrk why though

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honestly yeah should up that but epoch is still very solid

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it shouldnt be lower than gma though

rocky parcel
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i'm honestly surprised people put plague so high

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otherwise the high tiers are pretty accurate

pure sinew
#

wdym plague godly bow for melee

young flame
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Anthracite :(((((((((

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Balling

rocky parcel
#

plague is probably the best tierstack bow yes

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but super fast melee archer is like

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a C tier playstyle lol

pure sinew
#

the best of the worst

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wait isnt melee archer the worst of all the melee classes

ivory schooner
#

yeah

raven cedar
#

it ranks 2nd for heavy melee tho

pure sinew
#

archer melee cant hit more than one opponent at once

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so basically the worst

rocky parcel
#

it's extremely situational

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on single bosses it's actually super powerfuk

pure sinew
#

eye?

rocky parcel
#

but when there's a group of mobs or even a couple of minions archer melee starts to struggle

earnest junco
#

100% exploding + explosive impact 🙂

pure sinew
#

-8

earnest junco
#

speaking of archer melee

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stinger sniper exists as a hunting build

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at 1 hp it gets 41k per hit

ivory schooner
#

why the fuck would you

earnest junco
soft matrix
ivory schooner
#

but why

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no maneuverability, no spells, no agi

earnest junco
ivory schooner
#

yeah but so slow, if they have some agi you are a dead man

hoary chasm
#

It won’t be an optimal Hunted build but itll be a lil funni

ivory schooner
#

true

earnest junco
#

you dont get close

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you're a sniper

ivory schooner
#

yes but you have to be somewhat close to have a chance of hitting them, since hunted builds usually have a ton of ws

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and once you shoot your first arrow you will be exposed

earnest junco
ivory schooner
#

yeah fair it would work for hunting proffers i guess

amber spruce
#

reflection saltroll

raven cedar
#

thorns but yea

ivory schooner
amber spruce
#

If you shoot someone with reflection and actually manage to kill them you will also evaporate

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because like 40k dmg is gonna get reflected to you

ivory schooner
#

ah yeah

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that would be thorns tho

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right?

amber spruce
#

Dunno

ivory schooner
#

thorns is for main attack

amber spruce
#

It works very weirdly

ivory schooner
#

it does

amber spruce
#

not necessarily

ivory schooner
#

it used to be refl for projectiles

amber spruce
#

Afaik bash and upper are thorns

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Idk if u care u can test

earnest junco
#

In hunted

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In duels it's also if they die

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But in hunted they have to survive

earnest junco
#

But war scream and smoke bomb refl

elder nymph
#

why?

hoary chasm
#

Stylish

toxic lichen
still oxide
#

ye it's supposed to be -6

toxic lichen
#

agony

#

so close

earnest junco
earnest junco
toxic lichen
#

oh whoops mb

rocky parcel
#

topic: yeah i'm kinda running out of good topics so why don't you share some fun builds

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(do not worry. fun only gets buffed)

ivory schooner
#

dawnbreak cancelstack

young flame
#

all the items in this build except the accessories,

hoary chasm
#

warp mirrors edge

ivory schooner
#

combat warp

vagrant junco
earnest junco
rocky parcel
#

dude i am so glad that something as stupid as madness is the solution to something as equally stupid as the crystal

earnest junco
#

Same ☺️

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Honestly

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Crystalization needs a change

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If all 3 dead players are in a 3 block range of the crystalized player for 5s they get freed or something like that

earnest junco
#

If you have high dps it can happen that all players get crystalized

still oxide
#

full air for dodge

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😎

rocky parcel
#

TWAT powdering supreme

proper egret
earnest junco
proper egret
heavy yoke
earnest junco
proper egret
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oh thats cool

rocky parcel
#

topic: tomes (yeah i'm going there)

earnest junco
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Why are they so rare

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Anyway balance wise they're fine

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Maybe a bit more health for mythic tomes

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Currently I'd say fabled tomes are better

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Everlasting and vampiric

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Sorcerer's could need a buff

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To like +12% spell dmg?

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And walk speed tomes also to like +12% ws

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Else giving up nearly 80 hpr or over 100 ls just isnt worth it

ivory schooner
#

the ws tomes deserve a buff yeah

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and maybe a buff on the refl/thorns ones?

elder swan
#

Yes reflection tomes are really sad

elder swan
#

I agree on everlasting & vampiric tomes often outperforming sorcerers and weightless tomes for classes other than mage & shaman

ivory schooner
#

yes

frail bough
#

mythic weapon tomes are rather sad imo

elder swan
#

I think they are rather good with 4% more multiplicative damage bonus when compared to fableds

proper egret
#

so

frail bough
#

it usually depends on your builds, sometimes ~10 dex/str can give very similar damage compared to the multiplicative bonus, but fabled tomes allows you to access otherwise unusable builds or provide a decent boost to your defence/agi. i think the multiplicative bonus can be bumped up a bit further

proper egret
#

even if mythic and fabled tomes had the same drop rate, fableds rn would still probably be used more frequently because of how skillpoint based the meta is

frail bough
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if you already have sp heavy build with high strdex and don't need more defensive sp then mythic tomes are very nice, but otherwise you'd want cosmic

proper egret
proper egret
frail bough
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armor tomes are tolerable but that 2nd weapon slot

#

e

proper egret
#

yup

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literally

proper egret
frail bough
#

i don't want to get 300 total on every class

proper egret
#

can be annoying

frail bough
#

i do corkus, mh, sky islands and se secrets when i level a class so they ain't that bad imo

proper egret
#

fair

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but i just

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ff afk

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lmao

frail bough
#

i wanted to "efficiently" play shaman but i just don't want to get 300 total

proper egret
#

and its v pesky to do secret discos on classes i had leveled prior

frail bough
#

btw how would mr/ms (weapon?) tome fit into the game if they exist? would they be too powerful?

proper egret
#

they'd have to be like 1mr or 1ms mythic tome with not that much dmg boost

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weapon tome probably bc there are only 2 slots

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i was thinking maybe even guild tome but I don't like locking non-guild and non-war players out of features

elder swan
proper egret
#

yeah that is if they exist

frail bough
#

guild tomes feels very out of reach if you're not in a massive guild

proper egret
#

yes exactly

elder swan
proper egret
#

what guild 👁️

hoary chasm
#

Spectwal Cabbage

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But yeah atleast they added a way to get them other than holding claims even if it’s few

amber spruce
#

Cop

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Objectives are decent enough imo, you won't have a million tomes but you can pretty reasonably get everyone a few over time

earnest junco
#

They'll still be pretty useless

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But at least you can get +100% thorns refl for hunted mode

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(everyone will probably keep using ws tomes for hunted anyway)

amber spruce
#

who changes tomes specifically for hunted 💀

hoary chasm
#

Yeah

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I don’t think I know a single

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Human

mortal hearth
#

Are there any plans to buff the (X element) Sanctuary items?

#

I can understand that Rainbow Sanctuary was very powerful because of the skill points it provided, but couldn't you have reduced it to 1 in each element so the total is still 5 compared to how all the others were? Instead of just removing their skill points?

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It's a very skill point heavy meta currently, and the Sanctuary leggings fall behind in their intended usage due to lack of them, and for seemingly poor reason to have to done so in the first place.

pallid nebula
#

i'd agree with that, the sancs don't provide much anymore besides a damage boost if you really need it over other leggings

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also on another note, it doesn't need to happen yet but i imagine later down the road, qira items will get a slight buff to stay relevant

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current meta revolves around quad or high sp, and qira items just don't offer that

#

they're still relevant, so they don't need something until more powerful items are introduced

mortal hearth
pallid nebula
#

yeah the str/dex really hurt them

mortal hearth
#

I think they should either get a higher damage boost as Broken Balance was buffed, or give them their skill points back.

pallid nebula
#

higher damage, sp or maybe another relevant stat

#

also the fact that they give no hp means not only does your damage increase minimally

#

but your ehp is hit pretty hard too

mortal hearth
#

Well, design wise that’s the intention.

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They just don’t give a significant damage boost anymore which is the problem.

pallid nebula
#

yeah it makes sense that they have that, just when you combine it with the current meta they just don't hold any ground

mortal hearth
#

Also I think most of the master hive armor is fine. Quad-elemental archetypes are actually pretty hard to utilize due to the amount of skill points needed and it’s mostly the result of a few extremely powerful items such as Medeis and Demon Tide that work too well with Guillotine that make tri-elemental archetypes seem weak in comparison, when they’re still very viable.

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ETWF in specific is just really powerful.

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That’s not to say that all master hive armor are perfect, though.

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Boreal-Patterned Crown got hit hard in relevance.

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Elysian-Engraved Aegis is also in an awkward spot.

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The rest however I think are all pretty great, and the notable flaws around some of them mostly stem from those archetypes in specific having issues, and not the armor itself.

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Abyss-Imbued Leggings are actually really good on paper, but EWA as an archetype isn’t as good.

torpid crow
#

quad is powerful because it was designed around E and T not mattering, but now E and T matter

earnest junco
#

Anyway yes pls buff hive items I want to use all hive items

earnest junco
#

Well

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There also are many other hive items that need a buff

#

All that arent in my list

earnest junco
#

Only 3 items that arent used for their sp 📉

amber spruce
#

Damn you did mpc dirty

earnest junco
amber spruce
#

??

earnest junco
#

Dhydro ring gives more mana + more sp + 10% water dmg (just to give an example)

earnest junco
amber spruce
#

Just search links with it

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or like anywhere you use dhydro ring but don't want ms reliance

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Obsidian framed, anima, chaos woven, gaea hewn, intensity all used

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Most of the other master hives aren't used because of their archetype, not because their stats

earnest junco
#

For mpc

earnest junco
amber spruce
#

obsidian framed: archetype balance is unrelated to individual item balancing, a wider group of items being suboptimal doesn't mean an item is useless
chaos woven: essentially the same thing, although i would by no means count etw as a meme
gaea hewn:
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index.html#4_0250px0JL0Jq0TQ0t80OJ0OM0Qv0yzW2C1J-Y1g00001004fI
WynnBuilder build:

Aphotic
Time Rift
Greaves of the Veneer
Gaea-Hewn Boots
Draoi Fair
Yang
Diamond Hydro Bracelet
Diamond Hydro Necklace
Spring [w6w6w6]
oldish build, still the best choice for the slot
intensity: I agree, doesn't really mean intensity needs a big change

earnest junco
amber spruce
#

p sure 30k is relatively tanky for it

#

well

earnest junco
#

Heavy melee's main problem is not having curse/courage (for allies)

amber spruce
#

for higher dmg cursestack

#

which is something entirely unrelated to obsidian framed

earnest junco
still oxide
#

but that's a hm problem

earnest junco
#

Chaos woven already is a powerhouse but ETW just isnt good enough - maybe give it 1k life steal?

still oxide
#

obsi is good at what it's supposed to do

earnest junco
#

1k ls sounds insane but at 0 def agi that's still only 1k els on assassin

#

Or some spell costs and higher hp

amber spruce
#

the point where my argument differs from yours is that like

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you are expecting items to make good builds

earnest junco
#

No

amber spruce
#

I am expecting them to be competitive within their archetypes

earnest junco
#

I'm expecting to use items in good builds

rocky parcel
#

are you talking about good builds or the best builds though

#

not to disregard feedback given but i feel like several items named are really quite good though maybe not in whatever you perceive is the best build

earnest junco
rocky parcel
#

exactly what i said

earnest junco
#

well

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Obviously I dont call a build good if you can get higher stats in everything with a different build

earnest junco
#

Sad but true

#

Sp slap is so powerful

proper egret
#

i'm so glad it's an sp meta with static sp items

#

best change ever

#

love u item team

hoary chasm
#

Being back sp variations and make me lootrun 30 years for a decent blue mask

#

🙏

rocky parcel
#

topic: hey guys how's it going :)

hoary chasm
#

Doom out of topics

hoary chasm
#

Eden blessed guards

hoary chasm
#

no i just think they smelly

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i love wfa nerf

pure sinew
#

ttide

#

rte

#

b.mask

mortal hearth
#

Nighthawk

hollow goblet
#

morph-stardust

vagrant junco
#

^

#

morph is lame

proper egret
#

any item with too many rolls that are relevant

#

guillotine

mortal hearth
#

Revenant

proper egret
#

stardew

#

fanta

#

oly

mortal hearth
#

Olympic doesn't have too many important stats

#

Just 3

#

Jump Height, Air Damage and Walk speed

proper egret
#

caesura

proper egret
#

i forgot what their -costs are

mortal hearth
#

It's just 1st and 2nd cost

#

Not that important

still oxide
#

so that's ok

proper egret
#

personally

proper egret
#

idea: what if -spell cost% tome

hoary chasm
#

Too good

#

Whatever you do to it

proper egret
#

if it's like

#

max of 3 or 4

#

mythic weap tome

still oxide
#

it'll still be a reduction of 1 even with -1%

#

so ye too good imo

proper egret
#

oh true

#

forgot thats how they work

hoary chasm
#

Round down moment

mortal hearth
#

What would be some good ideas for new tome IDs?

#

Stealing would be interesting

#

Although Greed might need a nerf if a Stealing tome was introduced

#

Or depending on how much it grants

proper egret
#

yeah that'd be ridiculous

#

dont nerf greed more pls

mortal hearth
#

It's already incredibly powerful though

proper egret
#

hey i like the item

#

or at least

#

i enjoy using the item

#

but i am opposed to it having 5-6 rolls that matter

mortal hearth
#

Oh yeah

#

Libra is a hard to roll item

ivory schooner
#

ye but i dont think libra is too difficult

#

items like stardew, revenant and guillotine tho

hoary chasm
#

Thing with rev is depending on what you use it for you don’t need need great rolls like each roll is important in different builds but rarely are most of them important

earnest junco
#

I'd love to see a +1 mr tome

elder swan
#

wtf, -spell cost tomes when?

#

also + attack tier

ivory schooner
#

:o

earnest junco
#

+tier tomes are too much

#

+1 mr still is balanced

#

+1 ms already is too strong imo

mortal hearth
#

Also why allow +1 mr and not +1 ms

earnest junco
mortal hearth
#

You also aren't always going to be hitting mobs constantly

earnest junco
mortal hearth
#

The tradeoff for technically faster mana on average is needing to hit melees

#

Which isn't always a guaranteed

#

Regardless

#

Mana Regen should absolutely not be on tomes

earnest junco
#

And hitting multiple easily makes up for it

#

Especially in NoL and wars ms and ls are busted

proper egret
#

mr still crazy

proper egret
#

wait not -%

#

just -1 spell cost

#

to like 1 spell

#

still insanely op

#

+attack tier also way too op

#

unless you're doing like some set bonus shit with tomes

rocky parcel
proper egret
rocky parcel
#

nope

proper egret
#

damn

proper egret
#

ok but

#

jh tome???

#

also +1 atk tier on gales sight when thanks cal im stealing ur idea

#

nerf the air dmg

simple talon
#

jump height tome 🤤

pure sinew
#

gxp tome 😨

simple talon
proper egret
#

what if tomes had other crafted-only ids

#

lq and gather speed i think are the only 2

#

that dont alr exist on tomes

pure sinew
#

major id tome

rocky parcel
#

i don't believe major IDs work on tomes

#

..not that we would ever put a major ID on a tome, that is

odd condor
#

do it

#

no balls

earnest junco
#

Put Narcissist on everlasting tomes so there's another reason not to use them on shaman

#

Whatever the major ID was called

#

Narcissist is the relik right

#

Anyway put its major ID there

pallid nebula
#

geocentrism is the major id

hoary chasm
#

Ballz

proper egret
#

geocentrism armor piece when

hoary chasm
#

(Because is balls)

#

On paper dragging mobs into lowest base def character doesn’t sound good

proper egret
#

shaman in several ways

#

is built to be tanky

#

or at least its moveset screams like mage base defense

mortal hearth
#

What do you mean built to be tanky?

#

Shaman has low base defense because of the way it can avoid damage and crowd control mobs so effectively, and even with healing

#

Although it’s quite a bit harder ever since 1.20

proper egret
#

uproot pulls mobs towards you

#

haul pulls you to your totem where aura pulls mobs towards you

#

you have to be in very close range to get full advantage out of its melee

#

while its skills may help it avoid damage, other classes have skills that do this way better

#

archer is way better suited to avoiding damage

#

mage and assassin are likewise quite well suited

#

warrior isn't particularly well suited to it but warscream is often effective at knocking things away

#

shaman also isn't very mobile, not very good at bursts of speed, sustained movement, or precise movement

#

which is interesting since you'd expect the tankiest class to be much slower and heavier built

#

tp and ice snake

#

yes

#

exactly

#

and both are good in a pinch

#

tp more so than icesnake

#

but still

silver comet
#

uh

#

:thonk:

proper egret
rocky parcel
#

saw a few people mention this on forums but what do u really need a mythic for in terms of play style or something

#

at most i can think of slayer enabling stuff unfairly well but even when it comes to stuff like warp it's not like you can't teleport fly without it or something

torpid crow
#

major ids

soft matrix
#

major ids and not being ass

earnest junco
#

Major IDs or unique gimmicks (like olympic, idol or divzer)

soft matrix
#

pure 😩

earnest junco
# soft matrix pure 😩

Oh right I forgot to say: When they have major IDs and/or gimmicks, they should still be better than or at least as goood as legendaries

#

If they're endgame mythics

soft matrix
earnest junco
#

Pure is fine since it's lvl 65

earnest junco
soft matrix
#

pure is just a cool weapon

soft matrix
earnest junco
still oxide
#

me when mythic spear pool compared to non mythic spear pool

soft matrix
#

nerf slayer to -37 3rd

earnest junco
#

Tidebinder, Harwrol, ...

#

Even Braker isnt good anymore

#

Got hit hard by str dex changes as a lvl 99 weapon and also cant really compete in this sp heavy meta anymore

soft matrix
#

i fucking h a t e d warrior until i got its mythics

earnest junco
#

But the mythics just are so much better

soft matrix
earnest junco
#

And there's no diversity

soft matrix
#

and then the warrior mythics are so good

earnest junco
#

There is ignition for spell

#

And that's pretty much it

#

Undying melee exists but isnt as good as ignition spell

soft matrix
#

the only non mythic i regularly use for warrior is rots

earnest junco
#

With alka?

soft matrix
#

all the other ones are very suspicious that i would never consider using

earnest junco
#

Or as a main weapon?

soft matrix
soft matrix
earnest junco
#

Alka honestly is RotS' only good use

soft matrix
#

the difference between warrior non mythics and the other classes is really sad

earnest junco
soft matrix
#

its pretty bad

earnest junco
soft matrix
#

are there any good ones besides ignition

#

not even as a rhetorical question i genuinely want to know

earnest junco
soft matrix
#

yeah ig

earnest junco
#

But there isnt really a reason to use this over the build above it

soft matrix
soft matrix
earnest junco
#

Skiens madness used to be good

soft matrix
#

thats the cstack one right

earnest junco
#

But cancelstack really fell behind in 1.20

#

Yes

soft matrix
#

yup

earnest junco
#

And then oc there's the necrosis kill

soft matrix
#

what would you say is the most balanced/fun mythic for each class

earnest junco
#

Olympic for shaman

soft matrix
#

agree

earnest junco
#

Thrundacrack or Hero for warrior

#

Guardian also is great

#

Depends on your build / playstyle

soft matrix
#

most of warriors mythics are cool

#

i love idol

earnest junco
#

Yes

#

Warrior mythics are great

#

No, not you, alka

#

Nirvana for assassin

soft matrix
#

nirvana is so cool

earnest junco
#

I just like trift assassin and that's best with nirv

#

On mage definetly Gaia

#

Not melee

#

Spell / poison hybrid gaia

soft matrix
#

i just prefer pure ngl

#

can you show me a gaia build

earnest junco
soft matrix
#

i love trift pure

earnest junco
soft matrix
#

mixed mana but its cool

soft matrix
earnest junco
#

Maybe not summa idk

#

Not sure

#

With curse it gets about 20k meteors + 20k poison ticks + 10k melee dps

#

Sslow atk spd

#

And for archer I think I tend to spring

#

Since cursestack is by far best on archer

#

Because of that melee bug where the powder special arrow already starts charging your next powder special

#

Avg cursestack dmg goes from +492% to +656%

soft matrix
#

mm

#

intresting

#

whats your opinion on freedom

earnest junco
#

Spring is great with trift and tank slap

#

Uhh

#

Rainbow is pretty dead