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earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:12 PM

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yes I forgot the name

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I'm so sorry

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:12 PM

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You Are Forgiven Just This Once

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:12 PM

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I only know like 2/3 of all quests and all endgame usable + some other items by heart

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I have to improve.

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wynncraft 100% knowledge speedrun

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:13 PM

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I think shaman would be the class wave would be worst on

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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why?

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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direct clash of spell purposes between aura and wave

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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auralock the mob and then put a wave on it

frail bough Sep 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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aura has the prison thing no?

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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anyway if you're curious what my opinion in that is

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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if only it were that simple in this CCI day and age

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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rocky parcel anyway if you're curious what my opinion in that is

you mean putting it on an armour piece or accessoire?

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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and losing uproot utility would just be. really really bad

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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west leaf if only it were that simple in this CCI day and age

CCI mobs wont get knocked back by wave

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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and replacing aura with wave would be even worse

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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i mean it as a general major id that changes a spell on every class

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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yes

frail bough Sep 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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no totem resets will hurt probs

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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shaman needs aura

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:16 PM

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I am not a fan of having two primary spells with purposes directly opposite of each other

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aura pulls and wave pushes

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:16 PM

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uproot also pushes (with shift)

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:16 PM

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mage is the most deserving of the unique mob spells

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:16 PM

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earnest junco uproot also pushes (with shift)

I try not to think about that

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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west leaf I am not a fan of having two primary spells with purposes directly opposite of e...

why not

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that's like

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spell synergy 101

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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🤣

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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ok wel perhaps I phrased that incorrectly

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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west leaf mage is the most deserving of the unique mob spells

first spell flamethrower on monster 😳

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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well, as long as you forget about CCI when considering spell/class design, as any sensible person has to

amber spruce Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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(would they be utility or damage focused spells)

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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earnest junco first spell flamethrower on monster 😳

in this case dmg

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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first spell flamethrower for monster would be disappointing

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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not necessarily differing effects but spells that actively reach into the other’s unique purpose and potentially harm them

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:18 PM

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rocky parcel first spell flamethrower for monster would be disappointing

buff the ls to 5k

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easy fix

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:18 PM

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doom

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:18 PM

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i don't mean it in that way ingo

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just what i said

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it would be disappointing

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:18 PM

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why?

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in which way

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:18 PM

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kinda loses one of mage’s primary functions

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and for what

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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also not why

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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how much damage would it deal

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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west leaf and for what

it'd have to compensate with dps

ivory schooner Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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+1 first spell

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epic

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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well that’s just because of heal

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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ivory schooner +1 first spell

that could be removed

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or even flipped

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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it's literally just because flamethrower as spell would not be a mythic exclusive

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and it doesn't really fit with monster

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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fire mythic get fire

ivory schooner Sep 17, 2021, 6:19 PM

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give it to inferno

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it deserves it

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:20 PM

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it should just actually be a short range around monster with huge dot replacing heal, or something of the like

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not flamethrower

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:20 PM

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rocky parcel it's literally just because flamethrower as spell would not be a mythic exclusiv...

no ones saying it would be exclusive though

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:20 PM

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equally

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inferno getting flamethrower as major id would be qually disappointing

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:20 PM

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maybe

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flamethrower and wave are just poorly designed spells and should not be implemented at all into the base classes

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:21 PM

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wave definitely has some merit

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flamethrower would be more of the flashfreeze sorts

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:21 PM

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merit yes? healthy I don’t know

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:21 PM

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wdym healthy

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:22 PM

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as in

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you have a spell that is in fact powerful but would it exactly be good for balancing

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cough cough

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heal…

torpid crow Sep 17, 2021, 6:22 PM

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rocky parcel well, as long as you forget about CCI when considering spell/class design, as an...

wynnic_e

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first spell as an offensive spell for monster would be great

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:23 PM

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nipnop please refer back to my earlier statement

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:23 PM

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again still don’t understand the CCI hate as to where it should be intentionally ignored and I feel it’s almost a sort of scapegoat for so many people nowadays

torpid crow Sep 17, 2021, 6:23 PM

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I'd envision it more like just an instant damage around it though

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:24 PM

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there are many

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earlier statements

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also about flamethrower depending on the way it would actually work it’d probably step into the sort of smoke bomb territory as being a dot offensive spell that can be used in combination with other spells

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so no I don’t think itd be the same as flashfreeze

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:25 PM

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well

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flamethrower if faithfully taken from the mob spell

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let's say that

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:26 PM

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hmm yea that’s what I was referring to

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it’s just an aoe effect that slowly branches out from the mob

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so long as there’s no weird junk with spell cancelling and what spell it would actually replace

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itd be very similar to smoke bomb

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which probably isn’t a bad thing?

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:27 PM

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well, it'd be portable dot with likely less range

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:27 PM

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again depending on what classes are actually getting it

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Allow the player to have multiple flamethrowers at the same time 🙂

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:28 PM

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so it's only so-so in being similar

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haha no

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if flamethrower as player spell would happen it'd just replace the previously cast flamethrower (similar to meteor except you don't have any waiting time so replacing/resetting actually functions well)

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:29 PM

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rocky parcel well, it'd be portable dot with likely less range

I mean yea it’d be much different by having larger AOE, (would it be “portable?”), less range and presumably no slowness effect akin to smoke bomb but effectively they accomplish the same goal

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:29 PM

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flamethrower player spell would likely have smaller aoe than smoke bomb

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:29 PM

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perhaps

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but this is just speculation at this point

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also I could just be thinking of heavy flamethrower?

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that’s a thing right?

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which one would be the base for players

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:30 PM

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likely normal flamethrower

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:30 PM

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I don’t exactly remember the aoe differences between the two

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hey is this a good place to talk about CCI :)

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:32 PM

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if you want to

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:34 PM

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I’d like to know what exactly are people’s gripes with it and why it’s so often described as the spawn of satan (and for pure discussion it’s best to ignore bugs, haHA, all forms of damage triggering the knockback timer 🥰)

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if you asked me, the biggest flaw that exists is the timer-based system in and of itself

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wynn’s spell combat system completely revolves around spam casting (sorry heavy spell fans) and so unless you were to intentionally cease casting (which I don’t think is good design to force) the timer based system will never be “strategic”

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more of an issue for knockback than blindness and slowness but it does apply to those as well

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when your primary form of damage output consists of utilizing two specific dps spells (and occasionally utility) you’ll never have an opportunity to “effectively” use your crowd control effect when it’s completely based off of mob spell timers anyways

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people have discussed changing the way knockback in specific works by essentially giving certain mobs/bosses varying levels of “weight” and resistance to knockback effects which is honestly the much better course of action because you still weaken the potential of things such as arrow storm push/ aura pull while not limiting the player to obscure timers that aren’t guaranteed to always be optimally available

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for blindness and slowness it’s a different story because how do you limit these effects while still being fair to the various effects on all of the class’ different spells

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of course, if the timer based system would be preferable (which I don’t think it ever will be unless wynn’s spell combat were fundamentally changed) it suffers from issues such as uneven distribution of “effectiveness” between spells due to only allowing for a brief moment of vulnerability whenever a mob does not have CCI

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not to mention funny team scenarios with differing spells all taking priority over each other and the best change to such could involve timers unique to each individual player (but I don’t know how easy such a system would be to implement)

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I just don’t see why people see CCI as the spawn of the devil as giving bosses varying levels of resistances only adds to potential design choices and is almost out of pure necessity with spells like spin attack and wind prison existing

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(that’s the name of the aura effect right)

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(this is also ignoring all the bugs related to CCI, lol)

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:45 PM

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well, you kinda described exactly why CCI is awful

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:45 PM

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I described why the current design of CCI is flawed yes

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:45 PM

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i don't understand the point you're trying to make then

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:46 PM

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uh

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slight change and it good

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there

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when I see people say “remove cci” without offering any alternatives it brings me pain

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:46 PM

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so you want to go back to the previous incarnation of CCI?

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:46 PM

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that’s

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not what I said in any remote way

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at all

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the previous incarnation was literally just all or nothing

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:47 PM

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well, aside from the knockback becoming a percentage effect

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:48 PM

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huh where does that relate to the previous incarnation of CCI

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:49 PM

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anyway between CCI fucking extremely hard with the balance and gameplay of mage, shaman and warrior and directly taking tools away from the player instead of looking at those tools to begin with that's a very strong argument against CCI as a whole

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:50 PM

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I suppose so the way I originally phrased my argument was about was weird in that I don’t exactly like current design of CCI very much either but I also entirely am a fan of the concept as a whole and would like to see improvements made

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:50 PM

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rocky parcel anyway between CCI fucking extremely hard with the balance and gameplay of mage,...

I don’t see what’s wrong with mage

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:50 PM

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it exists because of shaman's aura trap and assassin's permablind
why to go the lengths of having a confusing & convoluted system that note bene flips balancing/designing on its head just to not even approach the balance change you were going for rather than just.. making aura trap's internal knockback less quick, and spin attack's blind getting changed

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well ice snake meteor doesn't work for one on faster mobs

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:51 PM

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I’ve yet to hear of this

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could you elaborate

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:51 PM

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i've experienced mobs running out of my meteor range after casting it WITH PURE

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:51 PM

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as in

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:51 PM

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and you can't stop them with ice snake because CCI

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:52 PM

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the slowness effect literally does not apply?

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there’s like

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the initial stop of ice snake’s impact on a mob

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and then a period of slowness that is applied

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sounds like bugs saltroll

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:53 PM

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i mean that i believe tasim for example can literally infinitely outrun mage meteor

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:53 PM

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so neither effects are actually working

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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there's no stun, or there's no stun for more than once every 10 seconds or whatever

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which is required for meteor to actually hit those faster speed mobs

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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I’ve been doing a new mage playthrough lately and I haven’t noticed this but I could look at it

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yea sounds like a bug then lol

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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well you don't really see any CCI on mobs until like level 80

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actually maybe cow

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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time trouble m oment

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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i don't remember if that has cci

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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bob m oment

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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but it's certainly fast

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:54 PM

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it does

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cow?

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or time troubles

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because cow has slowness and blindness cci yes

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no kb

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my ice snake definitely had an effect on him when I fought it

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:55 PM

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i believe ice snake's stop falls under knockback, weirdly enough

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:56 PM

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it might which makes sense

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at the same time

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it’s a singular spell that toggles two timers

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oh yea alternatively

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as I’ve said the knockback timer is bugged and all forms of damage trigger it

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lol

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:56 PM

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also as for your point about potential design choices

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this is false

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:57 PM

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(even pets which is fucking hilarious)

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:57 PM

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it actively takes away design choices

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I wouldn’t say that it literally limits your options, but moreso gives differing cc effects to various bosses which can be utilized in tangent with arena/ spell choices

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:58 PM

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mobs don't actually gain anything from having CCI other than an arbitrary hardcounter to one or multiple of your tools, and i shouldn't have to explain why that's awful in a hack-n-slash combat game like wynn

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:58 PM

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do you want to know a boss that I hate that actually limits player choices

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I fucking hate the canyon colossus

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everything about it is bad

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it’s probably one of the few bosses in game that actively limits player options

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 6:59 PM

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i think the fact that you can fall down in the arena is pretty neat

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(that's about it)

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 6:59 PM

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uh

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I… guess

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I’ve talked about it before but the colossus is so poorly designed as every single segment of the boss has a constant stream of all of: AOE spells (flamethrower), ranged spells (heavy arrow storm), and close ranged spells (explosion)

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and the arena itself makes it even worse when closer ranged classes (primarily assassin) have mobility options limited (shaman as well to a much lesser extent because haul is effectively uncontrollable)

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oh yea. have we talked about the hitboxes being midair either 🥰

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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colossus feels like it tries to emulate the eye fight but without understanding what makes the eye fight so good and instead goes the path of the single actual problem in the eye fight
is how i can best describe it

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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what’s that exact problem in the eye

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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too many spells

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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lul

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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west leaf oh yea. have we talked about the hitboxes being midair either 🥰

elaborating on this a little more, assassin is either forced to vanish jump to land multihit or rely on spin and smoke entirely with very few actual safe opportunities and it’s equally worse for shaman in phase 2

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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assassin, shaman and warrior feel extremely awkward to ue in colossus fight

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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warrior I think is a cut above the other two just because of how fucking massive upper and bash hitboxes are

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so you have way more leeway

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compared to assassin

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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ok but that is also only because it's a mob frozen in place

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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could say that about every class though

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it’s a major problem with assassin because of how much closer ranged it is

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and how much worse vanish is mobility wise compared to charge in the arena

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same goes to haul but uh

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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anyway still remains that the best way to deal with colossus is to spam bomb arrow from afar

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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much lesser extent

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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to an almost comical degree

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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yea. that’s uh. another thing

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archer cheesing the entire fight

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at least in the eye

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those wretches shoot at you in the back in later phases

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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honestly i don't even think there should be a direct "archer counter" or whatever

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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I hate archer in general 🥰

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:06 PM

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can't say i personally enjoy playing as archer either

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but overall design-wise it is ok

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:06 PM

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ok well the thing is

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for me it’s the opposite

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I enjoy playing it

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I despise it design wise

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:06 PM

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design wise it has things that work but then has a few details about it that go exactly against how it works

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similar thing happened with assassin

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:08 PM

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well ignoring arrow shield entirely I suppose it’s moreso the fault of specific arenas (TCC) than archer itself but the problem is such scenarios are plentiful

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:08 PM

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it has the arrow shield - arrow storm dynamic of getting in close and then retreating again
..but then arrow storm starts outside of arrow shield when it's up (also arrow shield having three charges is not unreasonable but doesn't help)

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and arrow bomb is just a consistently excellent damage output method as well to the point where arrow storm could be forgotten about and it'd still be a very good damage output class

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:09 PM

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I guess because I primarily play raids I see the faults of archer more than usual, I very much actually enjoy the fast paced playstyle

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:10 PM

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for assassin, it has an enormously powerful escape mechanic, so you can get in close and then vanish for invisibility and both retreat and approach however you want to, which plays off of assassins generally low range spells

but then the uber defensive tool got the hugest damage boost ever, and also became the uber offensive tool...?

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:10 PM

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west leaf I guess because I primarily play raids I see the faults of archer more than usua...

the fast paced style is the essence of archer

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the lack of actual risk-reward is the issue

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:10 PM

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I dunno I kinda like vanish essentially being it’s quintessential spell

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akin to totem

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:10 PM

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arrow storm is supposed to be a risky spell

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:11 PM

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this is a certified nighthawk moment

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or hawkeye the id is called I usually just use those interchangeably

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:11 PM

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yeah, hawkeye took the risk-reward away from arrow storm too

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and look how that turned out

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:11 PM

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it’s pretty rare to see nowadays though ngl

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 7:12 PM

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yeah because it had to be hardnerfed like four times until it was weaker than arrow storm numerically

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 7:12 PM

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yea most people prefer damage output over safety

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and it’s overall just

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more fun

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god though. raid (while being a visual spectacle) design makes me mald at times despite how much I claim to love it

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and I wish there were more active communication in how it’s being handled

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(how many gms even care about raids)

torpid crow Sep 17, 2021, 7:29 PM

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raids

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another entry on the list of rushed wynncraft features

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😔

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 8:07 PM

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rocky parcel i mean that i believe tasim for example can literally infinitely outrun mage met...

Aledar and tasim dont have cci

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 9:23 PM

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i'm so certain he does wtf

earnest junco Sep 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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rocky parcel i'm so certain he does wtf

Well I killed them the last time in 1.20.2 and they certainly didnt have it back then

simple talon Sep 17, 2021, 10:24 PM

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torpid crow Sep 17, 2021, 10:35 PM

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oof

rocky parcel Sep 17, 2021, 10:37 PM

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oof indeed

west leaf Sep 17, 2021, 10:39 PM

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earnest junco Well I killed them the last time in 1.20.2 and they certainly didnt have it back...

yea that was… before the rework

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lol

elder nymph Sep 17, 2021, 10:41 PM

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whats teh link

hoary chasm Sep 17, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Was a crab sp nerf or any considered / still being considered

amber spruce Sep 17, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Shut up cajung

hoary chasm Sep 17, 2021, 11:18 PM

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amber spruce Shut up cajung

You’re balls

earnest junco Sep 18, 2021, 7:15 AM

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west leaf yea that was… before the rework

I hoped they only changed mobs that already had CCI 😔

rocky parcel Sep 19, 2021, 1:02 AM

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topic: new mythics, i guess
wasn't expecting to be putting that down today but what can ya do about it

torpid crow Sep 19, 2021, 1:05 AM

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wynnic_e

wicked juniper Sep 19, 2021, 1:05 AM

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all i have to say is that i can't calculate baselines anymore and that makes me upset

torpid crow Sep 19, 2021, 1:05 AM

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?

wicked juniper Sep 19, 2021, 1:05 AM

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ever since 1.20.3 i think

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my baseline calcs fucked up

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they're all like ~5% off now

torpid crow Sep 19, 2021, 1:06 AM

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F

wicked juniper Sep 19, 2021, 1:14 AM

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i figured it out

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 2:56 AM

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what are

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the new mythics

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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new item cis
Mythics:
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CI-100005Epoch0109Yikesssss0250401030590907500-6200C07520-6000D07480-6400F00M0201c0N30P020160S020160k0106Q0m0203uGn0n013110t013QE0-0203dFe1B013111H013111J0200L1R

CI-100008Oblivion0103mfw02504010405A09051-2000B07600-9990D07600-9990F00M0201b0N10P0201B0Q020110U010F0j013D70n010110s010Cq0x010Cq0+0201G5P1D01335

CI-10000AImmolation010JWho%20did%20this%2002504010305B0A07200-4400C07310-3300F20M0201b0N40R0201G0S0201G0W010o0X010o0i0233g1+0w023ttU510010Ex11023KKAy12010Ex1E013GU

Fableds:
CI-10000ANarcissist0103Man02404010405B0907225-3400E07600-6000F10M0201S0N40O020160V01150h0xGeocentrism:%20Aura%20is%20centered%20around%20the%20player0k013QE0l013QE0q0200K1L0r0200F110t0109d0z0200r3a190108X

CI-100009Inhibitor0240510M0201a0j013420k023663I0l023663I0x023331f0+023GG8m0-023KKAy

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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OMG

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HI SPEGG

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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👀

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Narcissist fabled relik has the new major id, its just aura casting out of player(all other spells work the same)

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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ah

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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HELLO SPEGG

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 2:57 AM

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🏃

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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inhibitor supposedly has some unknown purpose/context or whatever but unknown yet

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flazefreeze trolling

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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its a mystery

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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oh cool dual element mythics

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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peaceful effigy trolling

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doubt it

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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its definitely like

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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I suspect new dungeon or boss altar

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or some kind of content

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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some world event/secret disco

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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ie a quest helmet

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oh yeah probably a secret thing

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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someone should explore se

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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I doubt its essentially just a troll item

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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oh does immolation cripple healing

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:58 AM

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kinda

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its like

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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gotta rely on ls

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or greed

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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half healing

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na

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min is like -50% from water

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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oh theres a cap

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didnt know

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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you get ok heals though since crazy def agi

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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oblivion is interesting, epoch is 👀

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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o btw

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quetzalcoatl is vfast

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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i like epoch and convergence

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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just wrong in game

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 2:59 AM

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epoc vs apoc

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!!!

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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funni mythics ig

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unsure why all of them seem to

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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lol

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that was me for like

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1.20-1.20.3

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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cripple healing in favor of

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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perma banned from beta

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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???

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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my opinions are like
quetzalcoatl: lame as hell generic rawstack
convergence: maybe a little too strong, ok in general
epoch: not super cool imo, ok
oblivion: cool gimmick, underpowered
immolation: neat, ok

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spegg its 100 defensive sp

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o wait

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nvm

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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@pure sinew i asked hams to unban me but hes european and asleep i think

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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read the context

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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I said all of them

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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ye ik

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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keep bugging him

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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I read the context

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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anybody know epoch powdered base

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it feels like

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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what powders

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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wack archer lumina

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TFF

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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873

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.885

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:01 AM

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e

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wild

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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how does that compare to other bow mythics

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Low ish

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I think

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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time to lr once update goes live

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Maybe near stratiM

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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gma is like

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1100?

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divzer 1400

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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hf getting the new mythics

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only available in se

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Ye

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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strati and spring ~900

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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They killed unleveleds

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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good thing I almost exclusively lr se 😎

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Maybe a few left but I assume it's based on mob spawn nodes now

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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oh theyre over 100

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wild

rocky parcel Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663574879794233384/888963821123805214/unknown.png

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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hello sepgg :)

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:02 AM

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raven cedar good thing I almost exclusively lr se 😎

Legit everyone else is gonna be doing it too tho

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Bart if I delete the message can you get a cleaner screenshot intjpray

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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least intended to be found

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so its definitely some sort of easter egg item

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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oh cool

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22k base unboosted dps

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for epoch

amber spruce Sep 19, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Is that good or bad

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:05 AM

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decent

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https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index.html#5_0VI07N0kT0Qq0Jf0BK0BI0Jc03NCI-100005Epoch0109Yikesssss0250401030590907500-6200C07520-6000D07480-6400F00M0201c0N30P020160S020160b030-00c07380-4690d030-00e07520-6000f07625-8330g030-00k0106Q0m0203uGn0n013110t013QE0-0203dFe1B013111H013111J0200L1R0u1Q0011161g00001006CC
WynnBuilder build:

Nephilim
Calidade Mail
Second Wind
Slayer
Breezehands
Flashfire Knuckle
Flashfire Gauntlet
Bottled Thunderstorm
Epoch [t6f6f6]

west leaf Sep 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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wild

raven cedar Sep 19, 2021, 3:08 AM

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75k courage/dodge dps

earnest junco Sep 19, 2021, 8:41 AM

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rocky parcel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663574879794233384/888963821123805214/unk...

Leak the major ID :)

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So we can know what you said is true

earnest junco Sep 19, 2021, 10:15 AM

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It has no positive ID

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It needs a major ID

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And a damn powerful one

rocky parcel Sep 19, 2021, 10:17 AM

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it does not, and will not, have a major id

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i am genuine when i say inhibitor is "not an item relevant to anyone"

earnest junco Sep 19, 2021, 10:33 AM

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rocky parcel it does not, and will not, have a major id

Why does it exist?

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Why

odd condor Sep 19, 2021, 10:34 AM

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it is literally intended to be useless

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that's the entire point

rocky parcel Sep 19, 2021, 10:34 AM

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rocky parcel i am genuine when i say inhibitor is "not an item relevant to anyone"

.

odd condor Sep 19, 2021, 10:35 AM

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but yeah the level req and the name really gives me an idea of the origin of the item

earnest junco Sep 19, 2021, 10:36 AM

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rocky parcel .

Why would they add an item that exists solely for the sake of existing?

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Maybe you dont know their plans yet?

odd condor Sep 19, 2021, 10:36 AM

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bart is an im
he knows the plans of the item

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and the plan is that it does nothing

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read its name ingo

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its literally called inhibitor

earnest junco Sep 19, 2021, 10:45 AM

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But why

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Maybe it has to be used in a quest?

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It has to have an use.

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I cant believe they'd add something that does nothing

odd condor Sep 19, 2021, 10:46 AM

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ingo
there are stuff we call flavor items

earnest junco Sep 19, 2021, 10:46 AM

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odd condor ingo there are stuff we call flavor items

But those at least have gimmicks

earnest junco Sep 19, 2021, 10:46 AM

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earnest junco

Having no dmg and bad mana isnt a gimmick

odd condor Sep 19, 2021, 10:46 AM

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ingo a flavor item is meant to be literally just nothing but something to look at rather than use

elder swan Sep 19, 2021, 10:57 AM

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earnest junco Why would they add an item that exists solely for the sake of existing?

LI medallion? saltroll

earnest junco Sep 19, 2021, 11:30 AM

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elder swan LI medallion? <:saltroll:827620910391492620>

that's a trophy

ivory schooner Sep 19, 2021, 12:48 PM

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i agree with ingo

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why

odd condor Sep 19, 2021, 12:49 PM

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you two are really overthinking it

onyx zephyr Sep 20, 2021, 12:27 PM

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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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it was supposed to be an easter egg, dropped appropriately

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but guess what? it was revealed wrongly

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there is your answer

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easter egg, but ruined and found under no context

odd condor Sep 20, 2021, 12:27 PM

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and now its deleted from the beta

west leaf Sep 20, 2021, 10:05 PM

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I’m still under the impression that since the method of acquisition wasn’t leaked i don’t see why it had to have been removed

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yea ok people will intentionally look for it now whatever

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such a shame that a potentially cool Easter egg just has to be tossed out like that

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(although there is the possibility IMs will secretly add something to replace it)

amber spruce Sep 20, 2021, 10:09 PM

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Ok let's be real it's just rng drop from qira

west leaf Sep 20, 2021, 10:10 PM

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mhm

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“supposed to be found completely randomly”

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is an item that matches qira’s lore

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selvut especially was upset

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yea

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def a qira drop

rocky parcel Sep 20, 2021, 10:11 PM

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selvut was upset because travis made a whole ass video on the item that was intended to be extremely remote and unknown

west leaf Sep 20, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Travis…

amber spruce Sep 20, 2021, 10:12 PM

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aDraggo_Hearts

west leaf Sep 20, 2021, 10:12 PM

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rocky parcel selvut was upset because travis made a whole ass video on the item that was inte...

also selvut was upset before he uploaded that video

rocky parcel Sep 20, 2021, 10:13 PM

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well selvut came up with the idea of having an item like inhibitor

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would you not be upset if your item was, quite honestly, ruined

west leaf Sep 20, 2021, 10:14 PM

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oh yea of course what I meant by “selvut was especially upset” was not that I was mocking him in any way it’s just that the qira hive is selvut’s love child so it made sense to believe it’s a qira drop

wicked juniper Sep 20, 2021, 11:40 PM

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i imagine it's related to qira but i really doubt it would outright drop from her

young flame Sep 21, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Galleon buff buff 🥺

rocky parcel Sep 21, 2021, 12:16 AM

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galleon's not getting sp probably ever and i really don't see stardew getting sp either

wicked juniper Sep 21, 2021, 12:18 AM

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give galleon three million earth damage

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(base dps)

rocky parcel Sep 21, 2021, 12:21 AM

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o k

drifting shoal Sep 21, 2021, 2:13 AM

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no give galleon 25 str

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🥺

amber spruce Sep 21, 2021, 2:16 AM

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Give gargalon 100 str like old Scorpio 😊

small turtle Sep 21, 2021, 9:17 AM

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west leaf (although there is the possibility IMs will secretly add something to replace it...

this is what i thought they were going to do

west leaf Sep 23, 2021, 6:34 PM

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what even is the deal with convergence

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what is its gimmick

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I do not understand

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it’s like it has just a bunch of a random stats thrown on it

hoary chasm Sep 23, 2021, 6:39 PM

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gimmick is uppercut

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Like

rocky parcel Sep 23, 2021, 6:44 PM

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no no nipnop has the right idea (except it's not entirely random)

hoary chasm Sep 23, 2021, 6:45 PM

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air defence and sp regen !

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Convergance means like coming together right

west leaf Sep 23, 2021, 6:46 PM

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you’re right it has one relevant stat being third cost

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but the rest is all over the place

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(actually hpr% isn’t bad either)

hoary chasm Sep 23, 2021, 6:46 PM

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its a convergance of all elemnts

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fire damage
water damage
td%
ed%
air defence%

rocky parcel Sep 23, 2021, 6:47 PM

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spr -> soul point regen
sr -> sprint regen

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hey look someone gets it

west leaf Sep 23, 2021, 6:47 PM

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so, its gimmick is literally throwing random bullshit together

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can’t say I’m mad

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just

rocky parcel Sep 23, 2021, 6:48 PM

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it's really not random nor bullshit

west leaf Sep 23, 2021, 6:48 PM

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weird

rocky parcel Sep 23, 2021, 6:48 PM

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but yeah it's a bit of an oddball that is true

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hey nipnopper which new mythic are you most excited for

amber spruce Sep 23, 2021, 6:49 PM

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hoary chasm air defence and sp regen !

Guillotine medeis air def patch catsunglasses

hoary chasm Sep 23, 2021, 6:49 PM

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amber spruce Guillotine medeis air def patch <:catsunglasses:884501644300132412>

you mom air def patch

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air def <

amber spruce Sep 23, 2021, 6:49 PM

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You are mother

hoary chasm Sep 23, 2021, 6:49 PM

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lets gooo

amber spruce Sep 23, 2021, 6:49 PM

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west leaf Sep 23, 2021, 6:50 PM

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immolation looks kinda crazy

rocky parcel Sep 23, 2021, 6:50 PM

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that's cuz it is

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it is hella crazu

amber spruce Sep 23, 2021, 6:50 PM

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Immolation is cool but sustain is massively sussy

west leaf Sep 23, 2021, 6:50 PM

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u gotta use ls

rocky parcel Sep 23, 2021, 6:50 PM

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and most likely in need of instant rebalancing lolo

west leaf Sep 23, 2021, 6:50 PM

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which normally probably wouldn’t be a bad thing

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but shaman triple beam trolling

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oblivion seems funny to use

amber spruce Sep 23, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Buff oblivion ngl

hoary chasm Sep 23, 2021, 7:16 PM

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I havent built really at all with oblivion yet but is it comparable to grim damage in ETW with just a massive downside

earnest junco Sep 23, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Give oblivion 30 int maybe?

west leaf Sep 23, 2021, 11:28 PM

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i said it was funny

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not good

vagrant junco Sep 24, 2021, 1:33 AM

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idk i feel like it just needs more dmg

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it seems like a much worse cata ngl

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ik the playstyles are different but it just seems to get outclassed by a ton

hoary chasm Sep 24, 2021, 1:35 AM

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I think it’s damage is fine but doesn’t out weigh it’s downside, it needs something other than direct damage change to make it better

vagrant junco Sep 24, 2021, 1:36 AM

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its downside is what makes its playstyle cool

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idek how much the -mr would hurt it bc aslong as ur keeping track it wont change much

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idk maybe 30 int would fix it but i feel like it just needs more of some type of damage

hoary chasm Sep 24, 2021, 1:40 AM

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So if the downside isn’t that much in your opinion why does it deserve better damage than other mythic daggers other than cata which lays out from the rest

vagrant junco Sep 24, 2021, 1:42 AM

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but like it doesnt even beat grim out in terms of dmg and weath has a good major id and dmg

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it just seems lackluster compared to the other daggers

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idk maybe im just overestimating how high catas dmg will be post .4 but idk

amber spruce Sep 24, 2021, 1:50 AM

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P sure he was talking about oblivion not cata

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rn I see oblivion as basically just cata but you lose 10% damage and 7mr

wary meadow Sep 24, 2021, 1:57 AM

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I think Oblivion might deal slightly less damage than Cata even after the nerf

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So Oblivion could use a bit of a buff

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Or, Cata might still be overpowered

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I dunno

amber spruce Sep 24, 2021, 1:57 AM

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does significantly less than cata if you mana cancel

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cata is still overpowered

wary meadow Sep 24, 2021, 1:57 AM

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1.20.5 patch notes

REMOVED CATACLYSM

wicked juniper Sep 24, 2021, 1:58 AM

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hey guys raise your hand if you're excited for epic new mythic item primordial

wary meadow Sep 24, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Primordial...........................

amber spruce Sep 24, 2021, 2:03 AM

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(real)

wary meadow Sep 24, 2021, 2:11 AM

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All I know is that it was an incredibly overpowered sword on Wynncon

wicked juniper Sep 24, 2021, 2:12 AM

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full neutral

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did a pissload of damage

simple talon Sep 24, 2021, 3:15 AM

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time to steal all the mythic names from items on wynncon saltroll

young flame Sep 24, 2021, 10:43 AM

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PRIMORDIAL??

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LIKE THE GENSHIN IMPACT 5* CRIT RATE SWORD

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PRIMORDIAL JADE CUTTER???

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https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Primordial_Jade_Cutter

Genshin Impact Wiki

Primordial Jade Cutter

Primordial Jade Cutter | Genshin Impact Wiki | Fandom

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holy fuck!!!

rocky parcel Sep 24, 2021, 11:34 AM

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wxhlf i think you have a problem

odd condor Sep 24, 2021, 11:38 AM

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too much genshin

earnest junco Sep 24, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Nice harwrol buff ID but I feel like it's a bit too strong

native barn Sep 24, 2021, 5:36 PM

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secks

earnest junco Sep 24, 2021, 9:41 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/743779017404186724/891048487754539018/unknown.png

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Welcome to Gravity-Just-Became-Unusable

wary meadow Sep 24, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Gravity was usable?

simple talon Sep 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Gravity was usable?

torpid crow Sep 24, 2021, 10:10 PM

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🦀 flapis is dead 🦀

earnest junco Sep 24, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Finally

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POV: It bugs and still works

west leaf Sep 24, 2021, 10:11 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361194799744679947/891081797583138926/unknown.png

earnest junco Sep 24, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Nice

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Time for -6 tier rings

drifting pike Sep 24, 2021, 10:13 PM

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west leaf https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361194799744679947/891081797583138926/unk...

ding dong the witch is dead

west leaf Sep 24, 2021, 10:17 PM

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🦀

raven cedar Sep 24, 2021, 10:36 PM

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rude

rocky parcel Sep 24, 2021, 10:40 PM

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drifting pike ding dong the witch is dead

BAGELS!!!

west leaf Sep 25, 2021, 1:38 PM

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geocentricism armor...?
🥺
👉 👈

torpid crow Sep 25, 2021, 4:56 PM

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please don't curse any armor pieces by putting geocentrism on them 🙏

amber spruce Sep 25, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Wtf we need more geocentrism

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Put it on something with jh and actual spell damage 🙏

hoary chasm Sep 25, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Put it on avocado

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🥑

earnest junco Sep 25, 2021, 5:28 PM

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torpid crow please don't curse any armor pieces by putting geocentrism on them 🙏

Make gravity the first armour piece to have 2 major IDs

earnest junco Sep 25, 2021, 5:29 PM

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amber spruce Put it on something with jh and actual spell damage 🙏

Olympic 😳

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(doesnt fit)

rocky parcel Sep 25, 2021, 5:29 PM

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i don't even know if we are able to put more than one major ID on an item

earnest junco Sep 25, 2021, 5:29 PM

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rocky parcel i don't even know if we are able to put more than one major ID on an item

Dang

rocky parcel Sep 25, 2021, 5:29 PM

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probably works but i don't know if anyone's even tested it

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wait no i lie

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saltest2 had like 3 major ids

earnest junco Sep 25, 2021, 5:29 PM

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:D

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Do it bart

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It has to be done

rocky parcel Sep 25, 2021, 5:30 PM

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anyway gravity and geocentrism is a big big biiiiiig no

earnest junco Sep 25, 2021, 5:30 PM

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It would be funny

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pulls items to you

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pulls mobs to you (on shaman)

torpid crow Sep 25, 2021, 5:32 PM

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the problem with putting geocentrism on an armor piece

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is that there's not much you can do to separate shaman specifically

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you have to do really weird %/raw/heal things

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otherwise it either ends up unusable on shaman, or OP on other classes

rocky parcel Sep 25, 2021, 5:35 PM

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:drus:

earnest junco Sep 25, 2021, 5:35 PM

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torpid crow otherwise it either ends up unusable on shaman, or OP on other classes

What if it gets a 3rd major ID: Furious Effigy

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saltroll

earnest junco Sep 25, 2021, 5:35 PM

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rocky parcel saltest2 had like 3 major ids

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

native barn Sep 26, 2021, 4:21 PM

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rocky parcel anyway gravity and geocentrism is a big big biiiiiig no

bro

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10$

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and buff greed

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and gravity

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make it like if u have both gravity and greed, when u collect the emeralds from the ground, you dont instantly pick them all up

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instead they just stack inside you and they heal you one by one

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fine bro 15$

ivory schooner Sep 26, 2021, 5:14 PM

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is it just me or is greed + pouch bugged?>

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like if the emeralds go to the pouch they don't heal you

frail bough Sep 26, 2021, 5:18 PM

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yeah it doesn't work with pouch

ivory schooner Sep 26, 2021, 5:19 PM

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is that on purpose?

wicked juniper Sep 26, 2021, 5:32 PM

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probably not

hoary chasm Sep 27, 2021, 10:02 AM

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I’ll poucj you

rocky parcel Sep 27, 2021, 10:05 AM

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"poucjes on you"

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anyway, topic: mythic boots, go

west leaf Sep 27, 2021, 10:24 AM

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uhhhhhh

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rev- why so roll reliant I want to die
resu- pretty cool now, was brokenly meta until 1.20.3 where it’s a lot more balanced now
dbreak- cool
slayer- why the cost nerf…?
boreal- lol
warchief- also cool

elder swan Sep 27, 2021, 10:26 AM

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slayer roll dependency 😦

west leaf Sep 27, 2021, 10:27 AM

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crabs- was similar case to resu where it was beyond broken with flappis but a lot more balanced now at least for spell, is still massive ehp slap for melee builds

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moontower- is this even used outside of warp

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what other boots am I missing

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oh yea

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galleon- I like poison hybrid
stardew- super strong but roll reliant aaaaaaaaaaaa

hoary chasm Sep 27, 2021, 11:31 AM

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Boreal 😦

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hpr gimmick when wynn hates hpr yet leaves resu hpr AngyCat

ivory schooner Sep 27, 2021, 12:23 PM

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Stardew: Not good when its not super godly
Resurgence: balanced
Boreal: hpr :) idk feel like maybe some skill points on boreal could make it more useful
Revenant: I honestly like revenant but its super hard to roll. still a cool design tho
Slayer: why was it nerfed???
Crusade Sabatons: hahaha ehp slap
Galleon: cool boot thanks for the buff
Moontower: moontower is cool, and the buff/nerf is pretty nice imo
Dawnbreak: bring back -10 tier dawnbreak
Warchief: balanced i guess? idk dont really use it

earnest junco Sep 27, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Boreal needs a buff

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Revenant needs a buff

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Crusade sabatons need a nerf

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Others are fine

hoary chasm Sep 27, 2021, 2:39 PM

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i fink rev is fine just role dependant

amber spruce Sep 27, 2021, 2:48 PM

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(please decide if you want Mt to be extremely niche or crabs copy, not something in between that gets nerfed with both)

hoary chasm Sep 27, 2021, 2:53 PM

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or give it jh sunglaso

earnest junco Sep 27, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Give it sorcery

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:)

earnest junco Sep 27, 2021, 3:39 PM

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Yes

ivory schooner Sep 27, 2021, 3:39 PM

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ohh mt with major id or jh sounds really cool lol

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yes give boreal SP

west leaf Sep 27, 2021, 3:41 PM

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sp meta

hoary chasm Sep 27, 2021, 3:46 PM

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every item fix cant just be "oh give it sp" its not kosher

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ok well slap sp on everything and then you have an issue with every item enabling every item

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mr nerf crabs Oxzy oxzer the 8th

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I’m not saying don’t nerf crabs

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But slapping sp can make an item much better but it just doesn’t mean it’s a good fox

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Fix*

ivory schooner Sep 27, 2021, 4:54 PM

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boreal with sp means that it
a) can be used even if its really bad
b) is stronger

earnest junco Sep 27, 2021, 5:02 PM

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-1 every spell cost on boreal saltroll

amber spruce Sep 27, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Mjoontower

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Imo, mythic shoes should not just be usable

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Should be actually good

drifting shoal Sep 27, 2021, 9:22 PM

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warcheif??

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warcheif is very actually good

west leaf Sep 27, 2021, 9:52 PM

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most of them are pretty good

amber spruce Sep 27, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Omg beanb

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catkiss

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Legit can't read the legend

still oxide Sep 28, 2021, 1:13 AM

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ivory schooner Stardew: Not good when its not super godly Resurgence: balanced Boreal: hpr :) ...

~~bring back +7.8k main -3 tiers dbreak~~

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also galleon was buffed from not used to not used

ivory schooner Sep 28, 2021, 9:04 AM

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still oxide also galleon was buffed from not used to not used

galleon is cool now tho

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its not used but decently cool

hoary chasm Sep 28, 2021, 10:55 AM

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Just wait for my EWA Quezacotl galleon build

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You small brain

earnest junco Sep 28, 2021, 2:46 PM

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still oxide also galleon was buffed from not used to not used

Galleon was buffed from not used to spell gaia meta

ivory schooner Sep 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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earnest junco Galleon was buffed from not used to spell gaia meta

whats the build you are talking about?

earnest junco Sep 28, 2021, 4:34 PM

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ivory schooner whats the build you are talking about?

cancer rekkr chainrule galleon moonpool summa dying contrast

ivory schooner Sep 28, 2021, 4:34 PM

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ty

rocky parcel Oct 1, 2021, 12:12 AM

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topic: life steal versus health regen

west leaf Oct 1, 2021, 12:25 AM

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that is a less than symbol

rocky parcel Oct 1, 2021, 12:28 AM

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~~why does your game sound like it's being played underwater~~

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anyway yeah life steal generally is better for raw sustain numbers (unless specifically built for and with the aid of mythics)

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also looking for specifics on how much life steal matters on individual items compared to having health regen and such

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interested what people think of those sorts of considerations

west leaf Oct 1, 2021, 12:37 AM

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what does that mean

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also i myself just prefer hpr

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in general i dont like stealing based builds outside of assassin and mage

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and its way easier to slap hpr tomes than ls tomes

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there should probably be a larger difference in the amount hpr and ls tomes give too btw

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everlasting gets 78 hpr and vampiric gets... 115 ls? im not sure

amber spruce Oct 1, 2021, 12:46 AM

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Laugh at this user

torpid crow Oct 1, 2021, 12:48 AM

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rocky parcel anyway yeah life steal generally is better for raw sustain numbers (unless speci...

tbh it's only because hpr got nerfed

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the existence of % hpr prior to the nerfs rendered them pretty comparable imo

rocky parcel Oct 1, 2021, 10:02 AM

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west leaf everlasting gets 78 hpr and vampiric gets... 115 ls? im not sure

almost, i think maximum for vampiric is 111

west leaf Oct 1, 2021, 1:32 PM

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goes to show how much I don’t care about stealing

wicked juniper Oct 1, 2021, 3:40 PM

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i like ls because it's more useful for quick bursts of heals which is what i primarily use it for

native barn Oct 1, 2021, 3:42 PM

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bart

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add %stealing tomes

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😳

earnest junco Oct 1, 2021, 3:58 PM

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rocky parcel topic: life steal versus health regen

In TCC and EO they're the same, at panic zealot hpr is better, everywhere else ls is better

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In TCC generally ls is better but in the water bucket room you need hpr when standing on the platform so that's why I'd say they're equal

wicked juniper Oct 1, 2021, 4:17 PM

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strategy: have someone else stand on the platform

rocky parcel Oct 1, 2021, 4:42 PM

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strategy: just kill the flying mobs saltroll

west leaf Oct 1, 2021, 4:44 PM

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when youre using a melee assassin/warrior build and your teammates tell you to stand on the platforms

west leaf Oct 1, 2021, 5:31 PM

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(notice how i went out my way to say melee assassin implying lack of 1 cost vanish and mana sustain)

west leaf Oct 3, 2021, 2:04 PM

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bartwalker mc you promised me youd look at raid power ups

amber spruce Oct 3, 2021, 2:11 PM

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he looked at them(he did not promise he would fix them)

west leaf Oct 3, 2021, 2:11 PM

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crying

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seething

native barn Oct 3, 2021, 4:25 PM

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bart

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did u see the raid power ups

earnest junco Oct 3, 2021, 6:39 PM

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+70 all sp is definetly very balanced

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Same for +550% melee +8k melee (full stonewalker)

rocky parcel Oct 3, 2021, 7:00 PM

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** ** sorry

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it's high up on the list don't worry i've just been really busy myself

wicked juniper Oct 3, 2021, 8:26 PM

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_ _ sorry

small turtle Oct 4, 2021, 5:15 AM

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earnest junco +70 all sp is definetly very balanced

it's balanced broooo

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 AM

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yes some raid powerups deserve a nerf

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and some might deserve a buff?

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 10:06 AM

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primarily nerfs

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and general changes

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 11:50 AM

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true

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Can you buff Greed? It really has no use while potentially being THE ONLY THING that can heal the user while not having a mage. We either should have more ways of getting healed without a mage or we need a buff for greed

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like a cooldown buff or a healing buff

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:22 PM

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dont think greed deserves a buff but i agree that having more ways of healing would be cool

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on the other hand, shaman and rally exist

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:23 PM

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ivory schooner dont think greed deserves a buff but i agree that having more ways of healing wo...

i would think greed deserves a buff because no one uses it at all

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:23 PM

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ivory schooner on the other hand, shaman and rally exist

eh

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fair for rally

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but shaman healing....

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:25 PM

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sfast melee uses greed quite often and its not bad

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shaman healing can be good if you build it to be good

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:25 PM

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^

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first time ive heard that greed needs a buff lol

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:25 PM

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it's enough for something like tcc

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:26 PM

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west leaf first time ive heard that greed needs a buff lol

yeah true

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i think greed is fine as it is

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:27 PM

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if anything greed as a major ID is lame by completely shifting the purpose of a specific ID to something else and becoming its sole distinction (granted, stealing is often considered a flavor ID, at least prior to greed, but i feel greed should have been introduced as something entirely different and stealing as itself be buffed)

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but thats just me

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as is its just really strong lol

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:27 PM

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personally think greed's fine too if not a little on the powerful side still

young flame Oct 4, 2021, 7:27 PM

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native barn i would think greed deserves a buff because no one uses it at all

a lot of people uses it lmao

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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though i do want to go over general stealing pool across endgame items

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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native barn but shaman healing....

shaman healing gets flack simply because its not mage healing

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when in reality its still super strong

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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^

young flame Oct 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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people just recently been using it less because exploited is well, its assassin and okr lost its stealing iirc so the build needs stealing in other pieces for okr to work

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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as a majority of those have stealing without really considering greed or may deserve stealing but just haven't been considered with greed existing

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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4x faster than natural hpr

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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like hpr except every sec

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:28 PM

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a completely baseline 400 heals per totem tick is equivalent to 1600 hpr

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:29 PM

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yeah we really needed to delete stealing from OKR, sorry

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:29 PM

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its no heal but like

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it does its job lol

young flame Oct 4, 2021, 7:29 PM

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but like

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:30 PM

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i miss 2k abso ticks 😔

young flame Oct 4, 2021, 7:30 PM

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greed was very very much used when okr had stealing, not sure why the major id itself needs a buff

young flame Oct 4, 2021, 7:30 PM

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still oxide i miss 2k abso ticks 😔

and totem trift stacking

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lmao

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:30 PM

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ye

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that too

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☺️

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:30 PM

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rocky parcel yeah we really needed to delete stealing from OKR, sorry

that was a good change imo

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before it was just okr slap for sustain

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:31 PM

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yeah okr deserved it

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:31 PM

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now you have to put at least some thought into getting stealing from somewhere

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:31 PM

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centipede stealing !!!!

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:31 PM

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make it 1%

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:31 PM

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~~with that being said, give galleon greed~~

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:31 PM

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saltroll

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:33 PM

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stealing as tertiary building health sustain option!!

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i actually wanted to give galleon greed but instead it became the largest amount of stealing on a single item in wynn

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:34 PM

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still greed woulda been cool :o

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:34 PM

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wait so now galleon has stealing + lb

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~~pot grinding time~~

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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rocky parcel i actually wanted to give galleon greed but instead it became the largest amount...

bart

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all the great ideas come from you

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but

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rest of the item team sucks

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😭

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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wtf please be nice to the item mtaker

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:35 PM

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i wouldn't say so

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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dawnbreak tier nerf

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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i just wish a world where item team could agree with each other so they would agree upon new items and make them into existence

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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❎

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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because i heard that there were a lot of items planned that item team just couldnt agree upon

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so they ended up not being implemented into the game

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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not sure where you heard that

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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true

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fuck democracy

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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rocky parcel not sure where you heard that

you know the patch

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where

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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there's always stuff that doesn't end up agreed on but it's not a lot

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:36 PM

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explosive impact

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became reality?

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in that patch notes, it said

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"adding many new items"

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but they only added hesperium

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so i asked to a content team/item team

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they said

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"there were more items that were going to get added but they couldnt be agreed upon"

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so i cried

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and dreamt about new items

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😭

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:37 PM

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that's because salted always says "adding many new items" or "many item changes" even if there are very few haha

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don't worry about it

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:37 PM

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luckily tho item team has been going in the correct way recently

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:37 PM

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recently?

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:37 PM

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like

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:38 PM

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~~roulette~~

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:38 PM

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i fell in love with reworked Inferno and Epoch

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:38 PM

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omg 😳
i did those 😳

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:38 PM

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told u guys

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bart is the best

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how did u convince the item team into agreeing

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😳

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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he didnt touch my raid power ups so he is instantly my least favorite IM

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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anyway past generally underestimating the effort it took to actually properly do elemental revamp i don't really see where item team went wrong in the past though

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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rocky parcel anyway past generally underestimating the effort it took to actually properly do...

idk i just fell in love with epoch and inferno so much

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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native barn luckily tho item team has been going in the correct way recently

getting a little stuck on this comment

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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epoch and inferno is so lovely that

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it makes my brain ignore the past

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:39 PM

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~~or are you just basing it off of few and far inbetween mythic changes~~

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:40 PM

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wouldve liked to have seen more non mythic weapon buffs

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:40 PM

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yeah me too

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:40 PM

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i mean i can see where the comment comes from, i havent always agreed with the item team either

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a reoccurring pattern is overnerfing items

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:40 PM

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if we only ever did things people agreed with something weird must be going on though

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:40 PM

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absolutely

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 PM

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lol

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 PM

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ivory schooner a reoccurring pattern is overnerfing items

only after overbuffing them though <o/

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 PM

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a lot of people hate the 1.20.3 nerfs

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even though they were all deserved

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 PM

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rocky parcel only after overbuffing them though <o/

not necessarily

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 PM

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rocky parcel getting a little stuck on this comment

let me

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rephrase it

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 PM

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market players when their favorite mythic weapon no longer does 5 quintillion dps

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 PM

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these recent endgame item additions

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:41 PM

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but yes in some cases they did overbuff items

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i'm not talking about mythics btw, i dont use them

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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original dbreak my beloved ☺️

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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are more lovely to me than the other item changes

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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1.20.3 nerfs were mostly necessary

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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ye ik

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but a lot of people don't see it that way

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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i don't like nerfing things continuously either lol

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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~~ROULETTE~~

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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guys

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lets

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do voting

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say 1 to make bartwalker Item Team Leader

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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some people don't like the bcata and bmask nerf

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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yeah i know a lot of people don't see it that way

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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1

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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i don't expect them to

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:42 PM

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i still dont see why the Writhing growth nerf was this harsh

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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still oxide some people don't like the bcata and bmask nerf

honestly after this skill potion nerf, blue mask became more viable due to skillpoints having more value

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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both probably needed nerfs

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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but it still needs a slight buff imo

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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but bcata just feels unusable now

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i never use it

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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like it needed a nerf (especially with str dex changes) but come on its worse than any tierstack now

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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bcata became pretty much unusable tho

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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but largely after str/dex a lot of builds still ended up with positive or very similar stats on the bottom line

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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-sp too much

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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ye

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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rocky parcel but largely after str/dex a lot of builds still ended up with positive or very s...

divzer builds be like

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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i mean

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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it was just extremely defensive builds that suffered

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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warchief + divzer

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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it's still used a lot in warrior and mage

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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and those were the main target anyway

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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because they both use 1st and 3rd a lot

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:43 PM

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bcata mage...?

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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do u guys think

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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bcata is fine as it is tbh, might be a little underpowered but no big deal

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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mage should get a damage buff?

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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archer/warrior/assassin were the main bcata users

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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i mean, black catalyst wasn't nerfed to be out of use or anything

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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mage and shaman not really at all

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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like a faster meteor drop or something that makes u able to spam meteors

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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just to balance it out, yknow

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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huh

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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i think mage's damage output is fine as is

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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i saw quite a few bcata mages

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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with like... pure maybe

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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it would be neat to see ice snake do a little more damage

still oxide Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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might just be me

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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no bcata mage is a thing i think

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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rocky parcel it would be neat to see ice snake do a little more damage

like 1/3rd of meteor?

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:44 PM

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heal cost just not that important

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:45 PM

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rocky parcel it would be neat to see ice snake do a little more damage

yessss

odd condor Oct 4, 2021, 7:45 PM

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yeah deye does the job almost always

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for mage

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:45 PM

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i honestly dont like the current situation of the mage that much because it is not "mage" , it is "healer" rn

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:45 PM

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when i say a little more damage i mean like double

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iirc it's currently 70% spell multiplier which is laughable

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:45 PM

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i like mage because it has the largest degree of varying spells of every class

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:45 PM

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mage really isn't healer

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:46 PM

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problem is most of them either get overshadowed by heal or uh

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:46 PM

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it just isn't built around spamming spells as fast as you're physically able to like assassin and archer are

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:46 PM

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get shafted by CCI.

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:46 PM

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which is part of what makes it my favorite class

ivory schooner Oct 4, 2021, 7:46 PM

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eh mage is kind of a healer rn

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:46 PM

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which in turn is likely part of why i detest CCI

odd condor Oct 4, 2021, 7:47 PM

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cci is what we call a leash

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:47 PM

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rocky parcel mage really isn't healer

idk it didnt seem that nice to me

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but

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i havent been playing wynn for months now so

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:47 PM

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ice snake by far my favorite utility spell in game ☺️

odd condor Oct 4, 2021, 7:47 PM

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same

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also yeah mage's spells are honestly all top tier

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:48 PM

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i'm not sure where that analogy comes in but if it means "taking away tools from the player purely for the sake of not being able to otherwise give the player a challenging mob to fight is just really bad design and shouldn't be done"

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:48 PM

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except maybe meteor

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actually yea meteor isnt really top tier

odd condor Oct 4, 2021, 7:48 PM

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odd condor also yeah mage's spells are honestly all top tier

which is why it has to have low damage because if didn't then uhh

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:48 PM

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meteor actually has high damage

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just low dps

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and that's great

odd condor Oct 4, 2021, 7:49 PM

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yea it has really high damage

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considering the base of wands suck

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:49 PM

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mage has no need to be a healer class but it does just do less damage than any other class by standard

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same with shaman generally having the second worst damage output

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a dedicated heal option on a class is just that powerul

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note that that doesn't stop either class from going hard into damage

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but they just won't ever quite reach the glassiness that, say, assassin or archer can

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:51 PM

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nerf heal buff meteor

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:51 PM

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disagreed

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:51 PM

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why

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:51 PM

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i think meteors numbers are in a very good spot rn

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and personally i actually think heal should be buffed

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:52 PM

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m

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:52 PM

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west leaf nerf heal buff meteor

thats what i was also thinking

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:52 PM

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but lose it's "front heavy" heal part

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old 10/10/10 heals were better than any subsequent numbers we've had imo

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though personally i'd like to see it be something like 8/10/12

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:53 PM

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and what is it now

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20/5/5?

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i mean thats what id consider a nerf

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:54 PM

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atm i think it's 12/6/6 but it was changed so many times in such rapid succession i'm honestly not even certain

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:54 PM

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loses its spammability factor

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wild

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:54 PM

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oh yeah allies are still at 20/5/5

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that's also a thing

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:54 PM

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dam

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both of u guys managed to get it correct

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:54 PM

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that's really wack

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:54 PM

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true wynncraft fans

odd condor Oct 4, 2021, 7:55 PM

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west leaf loses its spammability factor

isn't that a good thing

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:55 PM

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rocky parcel though personally i'd like to see it be something like 8/10/12

i mean this is literally what id consider by definition a nerf

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:55 PM

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odd condor isn't that a good thing

yes

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:55 PM

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in that case i guess we agree

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not on meteor needing a buff though. sry

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:56 PM

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you barely even changed the total amount healed but what makes heal so strong is that its so incredibly spammable

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:56 PM

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i'm aware

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:56 PM

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the only points of the game where heal is actually balanced is within early/midgame or with more melee/poison oriented builds

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but then it becomes a massive problem in endgame

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:56 PM

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i do personally think that 12/6/6 -> 8/10/12 or 10/10/10 is still a buff though

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at least in the way i play mage, i very often at least reach the second pulse

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:57 PM

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well its not like you're using heal 24/7

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(if you are, man)

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:57 PM

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west leaf but then it becomes a massive problem in endgame

tmw health creep actually happened

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 7:57 PM

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make heal damage the enemies by 900k

torpid crow Oct 4, 2021, 7:57 PM

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mage dmg output is fine but it doesn't scale in dmg output as well as archer and assassin

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:57 PM

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i used to actually cycle with heal before it was ~~cool~~ required through CCI

torpid crow Oct 4, 2021, 7:58 PM

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which makes it fall off pretty badly for high cps players

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:58 PM

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archer is literally the fuck off damage class

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:58 PM

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id probably make it even harsher than 8/10/12 but eventually, like, you start to ask yourself

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:58 PM

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it's almost designed to be dummy powerful

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assassin being the highest damage output class is fine imo

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:58 PM

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at what point does this basically just become shaman over time aoe healing

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:58 PM

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it should really be

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archer should return to being more risk-reward

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 7:59 PM

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ive always cycled with ice snake anyways regardless of what iteration of cci

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 7:59 PM

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even if i'm afraid that won't hold up too well between some recently added content

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:00 PM

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bart do u think assassin isnt balanced

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:00 PM

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west leaf ive always cycled with ice snake anyways regardless of what iteration of cci

i also still do unless you find some enemy with any form of knockback timer or immunity in which case heal seems topretty much always be the better option

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unless specifically minions start being difficult

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:00 PM

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native barn bart do u think assassin isnt balanced

assassin is balanced quite well
vanish isn't though

odd condor Oct 4, 2021, 8:00 PM

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native barn bart do u think assassin isnt balanced

the lingering strength after vanish is absolutely not

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also maybe cutting down on the blind on spin

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:00 PM

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i dont care whether archer or assassin has higher dps because as long as theyre similar thats fine by me since both classes' spells are inherently designed to be damage oriented and they simply have differing ways of avoiding being hit and accomplishing a similar goal

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what exactly is with the vanish hate again

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im legitimately confused

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with the introduction of CCI and overall design of new raids and bosses it feels quite balanced

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maybe reduce its damage buff so it isnt necessarily as required? especially since it giga buffs heavy melee arbitrarily

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:04 PM

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it's two opposite design goals mushed into one spell, it's inherently broken with the way potion effect boosts affect raw melee and such, it's too cps gatekeeping, it's ruined assassin gameplay for me personally

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:04 PM

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vanish even grants resistance

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lol

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:04 PM

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mmm it does boost heavy melee way too fucking much

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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i believe that assassin gameplay based around vanish is a fine concept

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but his damage is too high

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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shrug

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i always enjoyed assassin being the most "combo" oriented class

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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but decreasing damage buff makes it rely on vanish less

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so maybe decrease assassin dmg but make vanish stay the same

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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(they claim shaman to be but it really isnt)

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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the best change imo would be having it sit at like, half or even a bit under half of the current damage boost and make the lingering effect be 4 instead of 2 seconds and maybe double vanish's length

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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west leaf (they claim shaman to be but it really isnt)

lmao

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shaman just sucks imo

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:05 PM

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sigh

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:06 PM

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rocky parcel the best change imo would be having it sit at like, half or even a bit under hal...

is there really no way to fix vanish "bug"

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:06 PM

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west leaf mmm it does boost heavy melee way too fucking much

i think that

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no matter how strong heavy melee gets,

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it just gets outclassed by tierstack

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in every single aspect

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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shaman isn't really a combo class, being reliant on other spells for a spell to work can't be compared to individual spells having excellent synergy

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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and by that i mean every single aspect

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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native barn and by that i mean **every single aspect**

thats

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not really true

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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west leaf not really true

why not

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😔

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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good it's kinda supposed to be the tankier and much lower damage option

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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in general being able to have damage output in bursts is typically superior to longer streams

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:07 PM

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partially because heavy melee can work with practically every weapon (pls ignore reqs and all that you know what i mean here)

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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west leaf in general being able to have damage output in bursts is typically superior to l...

eh

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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rocky parcel partially because heavy melee can work with practically every weapon (pls ignore...

yea kinda

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u can make like

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a crafted weapon

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with like

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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you can focus more on actively dodging attacks whilst having minimal attention on attacking yourself, main problem is if you, like, miss

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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150 def 150 agi

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and still use it with heavy melee

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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heavy melee also gets way more consistent stealing properties than tierstack

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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west leaf you can focus more on actively dodging attacks whilst having minimal attention o...

why dodge attacks when 120k ehp 😎

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:08 PM

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rocky parcel good it's kinda supposed to be the tankier and much lower damage option

tfa be like

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both higher dps and ehp than heavy melee

amber spruce Oct 4, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Sustain tho

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:09 PM

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amber spruce Sustain tho

old keepers ring

amber spruce Oct 4, 2021, 8:09 PM

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heavy melee nutty sustain

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:09 PM

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heavy melee should always be the less damaging option

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just because of the utility i mentioned of burst damage and because of the fact it requires less cps

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:09 PM

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melee is kinda divided into

EFA-ish rawstack for decent damage good tankiness
TFA-ish tierstack for good damage decent tankiness
ETF-ish heavy melee for good damage decent tankiness (but different)
ETF-ish tierstack for very good damage and poor tankiness
ETA-ish tierstack for excellent damage and very little tankiness
quad quad quad quad quad quad quad

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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lol just use au-

amber spruce Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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au?

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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👀

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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🇦🇺

west leaf Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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etfa except we're not using centipede but we're using paradox

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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good

amber spruce Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Copenhagen

native barn Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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rocky parcel melee is kinda divided into - EFA-ish rawstack for decent damage good tankiness ...

yo

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bart

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im begging you

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🙏

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make timerift melee into existence

amber spruce Oct 4, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Bartholomew get devs to explain sp system when

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Legit like 4 people and a bunch of time

rocky parcel Oct 4, 2021, 8:11 PM

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wait what's wrong with the skill points system

amber spruce Oct 4, 2021, 8:11 PM

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All that has been found is more confusing things and contradictions

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Sp bug

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