fruma east lootrun is so aids

[tidal parrot]

scaleing is shit and the caves just suck like whats the point of makeing every cave so long and big for no reason fuck this

[proud sleet]

did i sleepwalk into the time valley and go back to 2006 or what

[royal oracle]

curse scaling in fruma east is unbearably too much, but otherwise mob scaling is alright, you just have to take boons relatively early, and use 120-150 def, 18-25k hp, 80-150 agi build to begin with...

the caves are cool, but you have to learn them

except in that certain cave with 3 miniboss and 1 boss (lady krisa maybe? idk), mobs pin you down and oneshot you at the entrance if you have less than 250% attack speed

besides, some mobs, like entozoon hits way too big dmg

and the bird tree cave is awful

[echo lotus]

"You have to use 120-150 defence" 🤣

[royal oracle]

yeah in fruma, thats what you have to do to just survive first 10 challenges :(

[echo lotus]

But yes to confirm what op said, I can name 2 cave in Fruma East that doesn't make me want to peel my skin off.

[random bloom]

Apart from what Melon said i can agree that Entozoons are Weapon Factory that multiplied by 10, literally.
On later scaling, they start to two or even oneshotting you from nowhere no matter how good you are.

[echo lotus]

All the manors cave aren't enjoyable: one of them you legit explore 90% of the manor to just walk into a tp trigger ._.

[random bloom]

Mmm, Estalis is way funnier, gather 3 marble figurines to open the passage through the downstairs.

[analog elk]

East >>>>> west

[random bloom]

Those boons should be taken on later scaling perspective.
Otherwise, they are useless because you must build your own strategy.

[golden cedar]

bro the scaling is fine sure its harder but like its not unbareable or whatever

plus the end chest in fruma prints mythics so like its whatever if you get like 50 less pulls

[royal oracle]

its not that simple fyi

[royal oracle]

thats why you fly into the corridor near the tp trigger place instead, and not walk though the entire place (ouch)

[royal oracle]

I meant walk speed, not attack speed

[slim shore]

liftal mansion is the worst cave (without ws)

had one run where the liftal owner dude was radiated and it had like 20 mil hp

i just /kill bc it was a waste of my time

[sly moss]

In castle you trigger the cave and then walk around the back and enter a window to walk into tp trigger

[jaunty pumice]

not hot take: every lootrun camp is aids

[sly moss]

i think molten is fine

[sick igloo]

do not diss molten

[jaunty pumice]

u could start complaining about literally every single lr camp

[sly moss]

molten best camp lowk

[sick igloo]

fruma easts caves are comically annoying compared to molten and se

[royal oracle]

something is off here

[bold oriole]

imo east is fine, id love if liftal just didnt have the yap sesh before the tp

especially now with estalis and liftal's health pools nerfed

[fierce adder]

for the house caves just try sitting down and practicing your routes for 15 minutes per. really helps !

they give extra pulls when you complete them as well, the liftal castle one is probably the worst because the chokepoint in that cave is right at the end with the two bosses (but they arent too difficult)

srsly tho memorizing a good route is everything on the house caves to do them quickly

[random bloom]

At this argument i disagree,
No extra pulls can compensate the time wasted,
What if you take Side Hustle, for example?
How you supposed to complete with these caves? Hm?
Only a Stasis can help you with it...

[fierce adder]

Krisa manor is doable with side hustle, ive done it. You should have high damage boons by then. Not sure about the other two tho

[delicate yarrow]

The main problem with some of the caves is that there’s so many trapdoors and chairs which can screw you over just by right clicking at the wrong place wrong time which feels super unfair and terrible

I think a lot of those need to be removed or chairs need to be disabled during lootruns

[fierce adder]

you could also just not take side hustle on fruma east

[delicate yarrow]

Other than that the lootrun is fine, idm it being a lot tougher than the others

[fierce adder]

it is the hardest lootrun for a reason

[bold oriole]

the problem with this argument is that if you take side hustle you should NOT be touching these caves

and if you do thats on you if you fail them

its a trial for a reason

its the same argument as saying dying light is impossible without rainbow beacon

also ive done both krisa and estalis on side hustle so

with enough boons and a good route they are fairly easy

[royal oracle]

stasis doesnt work when in a challenge, and side hustle puts timer back to 75 sec at challenge start

(and at challenge end) so stasis is useless for it

[fleet venture]

All the houses have windows into their respective challenges/item locations. Cheat them

[candid bay]

okay kids lets try to figure out if this feedback post is gonna be constructive or not

[fleet venture]

“Everything sucks, dude. You know that, right? Everything, especially you” type feedback

[lone lake]

Over under more or less constructive than the Dullahan post

[fleet venture]

Ngl, has stupid as it was, it was composed to be “constructive”

This is just some dude crashing out about not understanding how windows work

[lone lake]

LMAO

[fleet venture]

I should note that I lr with DATS trickrobat. My ehp is 30k, and all of it is from clones/agility. You can go about 30 challenges before it’s impossible to enter any of the caves (without boons)

So, here’s how you fix this: take boons dummy

[slim shore]

i think rest is fine its just liftal mansion needs to be changed not only you gotta walk through allat bs before actually fighting the liftal owner dude the liftal owner dude also takes forever to fight as well as doing crazy damage

also the chronokinesis or whatever shit like the one mission that gets you 1 pull everytime you open a chest thats not flying and subtracts some time works crazy well in fruma east

cuz most of hte caves have like at least 3 chests in them so your getting average 3-4 pulls every challenge

[bold oriole]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/mAHj7CDnPiJPVKu7Q?invite=cr-MSxjcFgsMTc0NzI2Nzg0&v=27

[slim shore]

main problem is not even that, after nerfs liftal owner is still aids

takes forever to kill

im using bmonk so maybe that explains

[slim shore]

and also you should show the clip to everyone that complains this cave is aids so everyone knows the secret passage for a like 15 second time skip

[bold oriole]

this is usually much faster with vertical movement spells but my dash sends me directly downwards and i didnt have another movement weapon on me

gg

[slim shore]

sure it helps warrior with whirl wind thats lowkey has less vertical movement than the jh in that video or whatever

i might get a lr build for riftwalker cuz bmonk just doesnt do any dmg

[fleet venture]

Add a small banister for warriors to charge onto fr

Or, idk, build 5 jh

Time whirlwind, then charge, and you’ll make it in

[echo lotus]

Frog eyeball armour 💡

[fleet venture]

Every new fruma armor fr

[golden cedar]

theres a reason blue cyclone flowers spawn nearby 💡

[sly moss]

oh you go right? I always went left

[still lichen]

Build 40 defense on LR build. Most problems go away