I dont think the sponsored videos are having a good intended effect...

[rain spindle]

i think yall can get a pretty accurate idea of what im thinking needs to be better from the stuff i say in wynncord lol

[outer sphinx]

Clearly you weren’t listening when he said “Outer Void gets 2 new items”

[thorn geyser]

lmao fair
Forgery update confirmed

[outer sphinx]

Surgery

[echo spindle]

forgery adds 8 new raids

[prisma heart]

Forgery speedrunning becoming an actual mechanic where you get more the faster you go.

[outer sphinx]

CGG raid could finally get that fucking giant corrupted kraken

[prisma heart]

I pray. 🙏

[outer sphinx]

The key guardian would make sense now

[frail sedge]

We will replace every single raid with a teleport portal to the forgery.

Go play forgery.

[echo spindle]

forgery gambit

[outer sphinx]

Could you do this, but a TP to the silverfish dungeon?

[frail sedge]

i only have a skeleton key sorry

[outer sphinx]

Just complete all the other dungeons in order

(Still a hella mechanic from Old Wynn, btw)

[frail sedge]

real

speaking of iceberg

jungle mini-dungeon

[outer sphinx]

Jungle mini-dungeon is way less obscure than ocean mini dungeon

[frail sedge]

this is true

[echo spindle]

i think even more obscure is gavel unfinished mini dungeons

[prisma heart]

Can we snap ice barrows shins while were at it?

[tough slate]

Ocean mini dungeon water puzzle

[frail sedge]

that plane in... was it dernel

[echo spindle]

that turned into ingredient grind spots

[outer sphinx]

Lmao yeah

[frail sedge]

mortal mountain is top of iceberg isnt it

[echo spindle]

clock mystery 🥀

[outer sphinx]

The dead pilot

[tough slate]

Ragni Shower

[frail sedge]

gotta do egg & egg guardian....... anyways wynncraft my goat

[outer sphinx]

Oh, yeah, the 3 eggs

[echo spindle]

jeremy npc in that one cave

[frail sedge]

Washer

[thorn geyser]

Holy shit
I'm listening to the mineplex ownership change vid and they straight up took the concept of XP bombs lmao

[outer sphinx]

“That’s not my ring!”

[frail sedge]

how many people actively remember the ragni memorial

[outer sphinx]

I do

[frail sedge]

Honynn?

[outer sphinx]

They added a new person to it

[tough slate]

Bovemist hidden wither skulls

[outer sphinx]

Ragni memorial is a good reminder to me, tbh. I like going to it

I think it’s really interesting that it’s in Ragni, though. There’s an interesting level of narrative significance to it

A reminder set for all new recruits, because the last thing you need people thinking is that they have nothing left to go to

[outer sphinx]

And, ofc, a great reminder for us to think about the battles people are fighting within themselves. Who says we can’t do a lil carrying

[outer sphinx]

Boulder roll down other way go get it

[gleaming matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-you-can-now-play-you-can-now-play-as-luigi-video-game-nintendo-gif-17936163

[outer sphinx]

I’d play through life as Luigi ngl

[indigo condor]

they did a surgery on a Wynncraft

[outer sphinx]

They did Memory Wipe on a Wynn Solider

[indigo condor]

On several Wynn Soldiers*

[sick lark]

Pay your workers!

[sick lark]

The Oc*an?
Mounts?
Forgery?
Fallen Factory?
Midgame?

[indigo condor]

i know this is a bit out of topic, i think it's worth asking this question. Wynncraft is obviously a very ambitious project, many things can go wrong in the process of releasing content, changing game dynamics and such. Can we have a better bug report system before any of that? I'd really like to help reporting gamebreaking bugs for the benefit of everyone, however i feel like the old forum system is so obsolete it's completely ineffective. i swear there is people willing to take a bit of their time to report them for the benefit of everyone, it's just takes so much time people give up

[pallid summit]

On that point I also did try bug reporting on the forum to fix a bug that's currently preventing me from really using housing. I reported it like 3 months ago, but no response yet

[indigo condor]

This goes both from the player's perspective and moderation's perspective

Wdym u don't have an automatic system to filter off bug reports based on risk factor

this also impacts quality of feedback you know.

[tepid egret]

@solemn barn ur sponsored video sucks but ill still use ur code bestie

[solemn barn]

I want these sponsorships :(

[tepid egret]

im curious how often wynn has gotten requests to refund over this

I know its not common though

[drifting zealot]

lol ur kinda stupid if you pay for smth right after a free version is advertised for you without trying it first

[indigo condor]

i'm not even kidding just as i said that this happened

now i'd gladly spend time on how to figure out a way to replicate it

or i could just give up do /kill and move on with my day as nothing happened

fun fact we just replicated the bug on the other first challenge in notg

and we still don't know what's the cause

and yet i still don't know the cause

LOL AGAIN

[drifting zealot]

the problem is that you’re playing before the multiplicative effect has taken place

so the game shouldn’t be expected to be good

[gentle nacelle]

I think the sponsorships did succeed in bringing wynncraft more money. however, i think it did this at the cost of its reputation for new players. which is a shame because eventually, after a backend fixup in a couple years (which i hope is gonna happen for the game's sake, but idk), this game could have high quality stuff from beginning to end

[rain spindle]

should be fixed on new worlds

[indigo condor]

that was fast, aight we'll try out new worlds

ok on a separate note, i honestly underestimated what goes into promoting wynncraft, i didn't think hsb players were the best target option for you.

pls i beg don't make wynncraft lose it's identity cause of it tho ❤️

NOT that it would happen.

[indigo condor]

ok on another separate note, we just tried on EU6 (i'd be considered a new server), and right now it doesn't go negative, but still doesn't open the rooms

[rain spindle]

its 3h old, not new

[indigo condor]

ouch, thought it said 6 minutes

did we get moved

[rain spindle]

think thats wynntils estimating it but its often wrong

we dont share server uptime on the api

[indigo condor]

ic, we are now on NA36

[indigo condor]

ah so it's a tracking guess (from wynntils)

[indigo condor]

FIXED 👍

Tested on NA50

still says 2h uptime tho

well can't complain

[bleak bay]

https://youtu.be/fx_TrgTzJjw btw just saying some of these sponsored videos are peak

this one was actually really well researched

[lofty shale]

Yeah this was fire

Mostly a few of the mid tier sb players who gave a review of wynn how most of the playerbase shouldn’t be playing

W salted, im glad my post actually got so much traction

[drifting zealot]

definitely no time gated rewards or content or discounts

also the content book is basically innavigable

to do the fruma quests I had to ask my guild where to find the npc to start the quest

idk how well researched it is it feels more like they are talking about everything that exists positively rather than actually finding what makes wynncraft special

[robust holly]

what

i mean i agree with the rest of what you said

[drifting zealot]

it kept recommending me these quests that I couldn’t care less about and I couldn’t find the ones for the actual gate (a contributing factor is my reluctance to read through the whole page with my mouse over it) but I like went to the one saying recommended content and it wasn’t at the top and sorting by level didn’t really help either

[robust holly]

do you use the wynntils content book

[drifting zealot]

no

[past olive]

I hate the content book

I put in nearest level fruma quest go to the middle of the book

[robust holly]

idk how then, the story questlines are like dark green compared to the light green one no?

[drifting zealot]

idk I don’t remember

[robust holly]

tbh it could also be that the classes i did fruma on were already completed before then and there wasnt a buncha random shit

[past olive]

Imo it should open and show tabs to each type of content

[robust holly]

it uh.. it does. you can sort by type

[past olive]

its not fun the press 8 times to get only one type

and the search bar hates me

it just does not work imo

[robust holly]

wynntils content book .

[past olive]

I hate the wynntils one more than the base

[robust holly]

ye i think its awful

[past olive]

I used base on beta and i was in pain (less pain)

[robust holly]

but i dont see how u can get lost with the base content book like it just doesnt seem possible

[past olive]

Idk id restructure it

[robust holly]

surely u just sort by type and then if u still cant find it by level

the wynntils one is horrible though

[drifting zealot]

idk i’ll look at it again later maybe im just stupid

[bleak bay]

the dark green ones are story line quests 🤨

[past olive]

imo id just split it into tabs or pages when you open it

[bleak bay]

it also tells you what unlocks what

you can also sort for only quests

[elder oxide]

tbh the base content book is kind of goofy becauses theres no sorting for highest level content

if it just got that it would prob be alot better

[past olive]

this tbh

[drifting zealot]

anyways if I were to share some things about what I like about wynncraft

the transparency thing maybe maybe not so much for the announcements communication but speaking 1:1 with members of the team is really nice
…
idk there are definitely more things I like i’m just sleepy I guess smth about the packs and the art

[drifting zealot]

yeah this looks pretty good I was probably just not paying attention at the time because I just saw a lot of quests that I didn’t want to do and just gave up

and I did not know about the different color thing

that would be good to look for

[bleak bay]

yea there is theres closest level which is highest level content

if you did highest level content it would show u stuff u cannot do

[elder oxide]

true its basically the same i think i am jsu gttting confused using the book cuz im playing at 3 am 🤯
il lok at it agian

[bleak bay]

idk bro content book was the best thing they added in wynncraft unironically. is "reccomended" tab a bit fucked and skewed? yea probably but it categorizes most things in wynn really well

compared to.. what we had before 💀 . . .

[elder oxide]

yeah old quet book was </33

[eternal mason]

ppl always use wynntils book anyway

[tacit quartz]

Ngl the wynntils book is kinda meh now after the rework

esp world events man…

[last ginkgo]

Doing guide content for wynn is very difficult if you want to make it relevant long-term

Wynn's balance changes so rapidly

I wanna do guides on every raid but I'm afraid that like a new room will get added and then the whole guide becomes irrelevant

[past olive]

Just use old video and splice the new room in

[last ginkgo]

Constantly deleting and reuploading a video isn't very good for a channel, you can remove footage from a video but you can't add new footage

A lot of peeps use likes as bookmarks to save videos and that'll get lost as well if it's reuploaded

[past olive]

That is true, I do feel like most raids are quite settled rn

[misty charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FraLLxbZUDg wtf bro doesn't realize voice lines are from a mod 😭 son 😭 😭 (also other mods like wonntils)

[elder oxide]

😭

[indigo condor]

Tbh Good video

On average it was good

[misty charm]

Tbh ye not bad

[thorn geyser]

Man
Everyone always ends on Timelost Sanctum for some reason

[misty charm]

Is that so? lol

[thorn geyser]

Not like everyone everyone
But I've seen like two or three vids at this point using that specific dungeon for some reason to end off videos

[misty charm]

I mean ig its the coolest achievement that doesn't take so long (they aint getting to gavel lol)

[indigo condor]

Early game stuff

[thorn geyser]

Yeah true
It's kind of a high water mark which is crazy considering how disconnected it feels from the rest of the game

Like no quest or discoveries or nothing

Dude's just hanging out under a bridge and we go into his little world and murk him

[misty charm]

real
Surely the quest is coming soon

[thorn geyser]

soontm

[indigo condor]

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

[eternal mason]

the name of the ytber tells everything

[feral lance]

"Coolest achievement" and it's a dungeon that you have to fail on purpose to even lose on

[quasi root]

We should let let's game it out make a video on wynncraft

[drifting zealot]

should sponsor grian

[safe radish]

@lucid moss are you doin it? Just curious

[elder oxide]

ok this i whwy i was confused about closesst levell tab i had ssome mini quessts sstarted alr and they stikc around at the top 🥀 mabye just add a way to snooze quests to t he bottom or smth idk

[visual pendant]

told you wynncraft has an analytics curse

[gentle nacelle]

i think squid's inevitable video will be good

saw him playing on the beta a lot, looked like he was going through the entire game

[elder oxide]

gorp

[elder oxide]

ok im lke a minute in and hes saying they are avoiding technciall debt glorp 😰
theyy prob did make it better with fruma and every rework but its still prob bad lol

[misty charm]

Im 15 seconds in and he's alr saying bs

😂

[tough slate]

actually let's NOT promote wynncraft so we can keep tps good during major updates 💡

[indigo condor]

now that's the real wynnplayer meta

[outer sphinx]

The video’s really all over the place, too. Feels like one of those “yes and” type improve sketches, but without the cohesion and control placed by a director

There are also title cards that introduce way too many topics, and, because of that, you end up creating 100 introductions to concepts that don’t get any valuable analysis, and would’ve been better combined with other talking points. The segways feel almost random in how they’re set up

[lucid moss]

yea

[safe radish]

Nice, are you covering just 1312 or are you going to cover everything

[lucid moss]

we shall see

[safe radish]

A mystery then, nice

[indigo condor]

I was doing some testing with YouTube algorithm, made a YouTube account from scratch run on a VM in Canada

It took 8 wynncraft related videos to completely poison the feed

With poison, I mean flooding the feed with wynncraft content to a significant share of video suggestion

DAMN

[outer sphinx]

It’s because Wynncraft has zero searches, zero content above 1000 likes, zero viewership, and zero YouTubers with notably high subscriber counts

All of those combine to have absolutely no engagement potential, without playing into known algorithm tropes to pull viewers, like clickbait titles and specific emojis

For example: if you’re doing shorts, use titles like “IS THIS MINECRAFT SERVER IMPOSSIBLE??? 😮” or “BETTER THAN MINECRAFT??? 🤯”, or “HOW DO YOU SURVIVE THIS BOSS?!?! 😅”

It’s like being expected to be recommended Wizard101, atp, which is why the only time it ever made it to public eye, within the last 10 years, on YouTube, is when someone started not only doing challenge runs on it, but made a title called “The Hardest Boss in Wizard101?”

[barren trail]

it's also hard to make a fun video on wynn

for someone that has never played on the server

[outer sphinx]

I was about to say

[barren trail]

I have watched every technoblade's videos while having never touched the hypixel skyblock bcs there was new meaningful content to grind or rivalry

but wynn can't offer this as everything is obtained day 1

[outer sphinx]

Yeah, Wynn’s not an easy concept to just write about, without experiencing it, but I think a lot of concepts behave that way. You should want to experience, or indulge yourself in its content, before making a video, though

[outer sphinx]

What does this mean

[barren trail]

also every videos that have promoted wynn showed the same thing

[barren trail]

every new mythics have been obtained on release and shit

[outer sphinx]

I think you’re drastically underestimating what obtaining everything means in Wynn

So much of it is in creating a playstyle for yourself, not just getting the items

[barren trail]

I mean you can't make a fun video of getting 132 in profs or getting every aspects or at least I don't sdee that happening same for li, inhibitor

[outer sphinx]

I think that needs to be shown more, to potentially interest the more creative side of people.

Because, this is 100% my opinion, but objectively true, MMO’s do not have creativity in mind, when coming to changing a playstyle. That’s the class’s job

[barren trail]

you need insane creativity that will also be fun for people that have never hit the game

[outer sphinx]

Wynn has insane levels of potential for creating unique ways to play the game, and basically creating your own version of established archetypes

[barren trail]

I don't think a new player will have fun watching the new meta to destroy TWP

[barren trail]

yea definitely

[outer sphinx]

I have a feeling that they would enjoy watching somebody theory craft some goofy ass bouncy ball build, though, and limit themselves in a cool boss fight

[barren trail]

funnily that's what one of my friend did and it worked

https://youtu.be/Wj3TVHg46AM?si=EsCykaOs3EQP08I3

[outer sphinx]

Or, idk, maybe stop leading with “biggest MMORPG in MC”, then “it’s cool”, and instead say “biggest MMORPG in MC”, and lead it with “you have hundreds of choices in customization, class optimization, and thousands of unique items to create your own playstyle”

“Put together your own unique playstyle, and face off a myriad of complicated bosses, each with their own unique AI’s” type shit

[barren trail]

THIS IS WYNNCRAFT THE BIGGEST MMORPH IN MC, IT IS VERY UNIQUE IT HAS CUSTOM MOBS AND NO MODS ARE REQUIRED ( literally every videos )

[outer sphinx]

Some videos didn’t even say that, they just said “idk what it is, but it seems cool! Let’s play it!”

Like, bro, wtf is this sponsor? Idk who tf you are

[barren trail]

ikr

[outer sphinx]

So many poorly represented videos for Wynn, and it bums me out. The blueprints are all there, and it’s so easy to make something enticing to at least say.

Video editing is an entirely different thing, but your script? Your LEAD? Say shit that is ACTUALLY going to hook somebody, instead of the same cookie cutter bullshit intro with a slightly different tone

[barren trail]

the count didnt even go up

[outer sphinx]

The count has gone down, objectively because of lag and voids

It will take some time to get back, unfortunately 😔

[barren trail]

should've waited a month in

[outer sphinx]

Even then, lmao

[barren trail]

and actually not just focusing every video on the gamplay but on an actual presentation

[outer sphinx]

I had a whole inventory of boxed uniques and stuff just get voided because of Annie

[barren trail]

every videos were a clone and the sponsorship was way too obvious as well

[outer sphinx]

Get free cam, cinema cam, whatever it’s called, and record some cool movement. DESCRIBE WHAT A FUCKING SPELL COMBO IS FOR GODS SAKE

[barren trail]

wait voiding is still a thing

[outer sphinx]

When it’s lagging, yeah

[barren trail]

gg

[barren trail]

nah I think

it should mainly show an overview of the content, but paying new comers to present a server is not a way

and the minimal requirement should've been to have played the whole game once

[outer sphinx]

It’s definitely not the way for long term engagement, that’s for sure

[wispy niche]

lore videos would be cool too, we’ve got a lot of interesting stuff with fruma now

[barren trail]

definitely

[outer sphinx]

I think Wynn needs Olinus, or someone with more algorithmic pulls, to start doing clickbait titles to pull the algorithm’s attention, whilst also showcasing unique setups into the best parts of boss fights more. The main Wynn channel should be linked in these videos, too, with the IP somewhere noticeable

[wispy niche]

honestly just general showcases of the coolest parts of the game would be better than the same generic “im being paid to play this and wow its so cool” and stops at lvl 40

like a well edited, good quality video of somebody doing like a debuffed raid solo or something

[barren trail]

what a nice game -> stops at decrepit sewers, thats what some did

also they feel too fake like its obvious they didnt rly want to do it

[wispy niche]

a non player doesn’t need to know much to appreciate a cool boss fight and cool abilities

edit: wrong reply lol

[wispy niche]

some of them yeah, you could kinda tell there wasn’t much interest

[barren trail]

most definitely something like rekindled

rekindled trailer might be the most hyped thing done in wynn

[wispy niche]

yeah

[barren trail]

not just because it was a crazy glow up but because it showed what bosses were doing

[outer sphinx]

Rekindled trailer is really funny, because it’s objectively the worst trailer for engagement. You’ve got literally zero clue wtf is going on, and all you can see is a bunch of big scary mobs. Nothing indicates to an outside player that this is supposedly something abnormal, and that the entire game is being overhauled to a new mob system

To them, it’s just 5 new bosses, at most

[barren trail]

for engagement it is but anyone could watch this and think: yo this is cool, this server contains insane fights that you can't find anywhere else on minecraft

[outer sphinx]

That would be the case 5 years ago

Idt the clips they showed in the trailer were enough to convince somebody to leave a modded MC world, though

[barren trail]

eeh still rn I can't find any servers that have better bosses, maybe telos can compete but its quickly boring

[outer sphinx]

Now, obviously, the bosses are hella, and outdo a ton of stuff available to us now, but we had a better showcase of cool stuff in 2.0 and 2.2 than 2.1, imo

At least the reworked mobs and new builds were enough content for a while

[barren trail]

in all fairness I always wonder why WOW is able to keep so many players streamers and shit

IVE never played wow

but wynn needs to understand how they did / they do

[outer sphinx]

That’s an easy one:
-it’s established
-it’s formulaic and satisfying to play
-it’s pretty
-it has streamlined, easy to engage with grinding
-raids are genuine team composition, and absolutely require perfect coordination

It’s also:
-not in MC
-not in ONLY Java

[barren trail]

raids part truly is an aspect wynn lacks

[barren trail]

I don't think its truly the issue here though, mc proved many time it worked

[outer sphinx]

It can’t have it, because it’s fundamentally a different game, and the playerbase would explode

[gentle nacelle]

Wynn players can read

[barren trail]

ig wynn is too established toward casuals

[gleaming matrix]

nu uh

[gentle nacelle]

So yeah it would never work

[outer sphinx]

It’s the Java part, because you’re cut out of a major part of the MC playerbase, and the MC part is 100% a deterrent

Not to people in MC, ofc, but to MMO players? It is not an attraction

[barren trail]

mixing with bedrock could be a solution ig

it's only packet adaptation iirc

[outer sphinx]

It’s rewriting literally everything

[barren trail]

I don't think so

[outer sphinx]

I know so lol

[barren trail]

oh

isn't it just modifying and adapting the packet protocol

[outer sphinx]

The migration to bedrock would take longer than updating the 1.8 backend to modern versions

[barren trail]

hmm ic

[outer sphinx]

Everything is written with that backend in mind, which means you literally cannot translate it to bedrock

You’d have to remake the entire thing

[barren trail]

hmm I feel like its not that bad

especially since there's tools for it

[proven wedge]

it is borderline impossible and servers far bigger then wynncraft have failed trying

[barren trail]

id need to look how its done

[misty charm]

Tbh i havent logged on bedrock since like 2.1, i wonder how broken stuff is

[outer sphinx]

If you want an example, look at Hypixel, who is still unable to update the server from 1.7

That guy would rather make a damn new game

[barren trail]

but hypixel is infinitely bigger than wynn ngl

[outer sphinx]

I have zero clue what skyblock adds to hypixel, but I do know the rest of it is mini games

[barren trail]

isn't wynn backend mainly a framework that adapts what CTs write

[gentle nacelle]

Not in complexity

[barren trail]

I heard it was like that

[misty charm]

Ye?

[gentle nacelle]

Wynn backend is a black box ngl

[outer sphinx]

Wynn backend the void confirmed

[barren trail]

located in fruma

[misty charm]

I mean the problem wouldn't be their js engine itself, graal or whatever they use, but the actual mc stuff (talkin about portin)

[gentle nacelle]

I just want the team to have access to 1.21 block palate, that would be so hype

[barren trail]

ok nevermind bedrock bridge is hell for smth like wynn

[outer sphinx]

I’d cry with tears of very large tears

[gentle nacelle]

Imagine a whole rebuild of the whole world with 1.21 blocks

[misty charm]

Ngl i dont know how mc protocol works like in depth, but in theory it doesn't sound that hard, they must have some crazy tech debt 🔥

[gentle nacelle]

Theoretically it could already be in progress actually

[outer sphinx]

Honestly, it doesn’t really need em, but the ocean would be thankful

[gentle nacelle]

Increased world height tho

[gleaming matrix]

Considering how old wynn is and how it was meant to just be a funny side server, I would be surprised if there wasn't any lol

[outer sphinx]

Nvm

Fruma castle 300 blocks higher please

[feral lance]

Funniest of all they're still on a better modernizing pace than Wynncraft

[barren trail]

wynn tech debt probably is massive

[gentle nacelle]

No no, move it down so we can have housing balloon

[outer sphinx]

Ik, it’s insane how much they’ve worked for

Swimming works perfectly fine, shifting under slabs, and even the new biome mechanics

[barren trail]

especially considering that the map itself is "part of the script" for half the old content

redstone triggers n shit

[misty charm]

Redstone 😭 🙏

[barren trail]

wynn should run away from redstone asap

[outer sphinx]

There are still piston doors in some areas

[feral lance]

Hyperborea is made by 1 (main) person and even that dev knew to get his map the fuck away from redstone

[outer sphinx]

Also, it’s really funny to see a working piston barrel right next to the fruma west lr

[barren trail]

I tried the server but it felt a little too vanilla, so i didn't play more than 30 mins

but I heard it is rly insane

[feral lance]

It's largely built on vanilla combat but it strays pretty high with it, past the early game weapons pick up a lot

[uneven dome]

When I saw the first sponsored video in the server notifications I thought that finally Wynncraft is getting recognition it deserved with a well edited video.
Instead I learned it was a paid ad. And after the 3rd one I stopped looking at them.

Yes. The decision to add more people to the game when the lag was so bad it deleted people's items was a move of all time.

Also it felt a bit like a slap in the face.
"We're mostly volunteer company and we'd like to pay more people but a lot of the time we simply don't have the money. So please buy all the cosmetics, tokens, bombs, etc."
"But we also have been paying for sponsored videos every week since we released Fruma."

That's also the big part. The paid complete randos.

[outer sphinx]

And, I hate how this is going to make me sound, but:
They were objectively very poorly structured videos

Not even necessarily bad, but they had really poor pacing, and horrible focus. Many felt like an even more distracted version of a stream, with Dora like “Oooh! How nice! What do youuuuu think?” Type commentary, or they straight up just had zero cohesion, poor analysis, and confused me (a literal 11 year old player)

Like, for the “broke the mold” vid, why is HUNTED an entire section of your analysis on the history of Wynn’s innovation, and how it “broke the mold”

Why do you go back and forth in time, talking about the pay-to-Wynn update before literally ANYTHING else

Footnotes became entire talking points, and had their own title card to support them

So much of the video was just nonsensical in structure, which is weird, because the editing felt professional

[wispy niche]

it’s hard to watch an analysis video from ppl who stopped playing in midgame 😭

[outer sphinx]

It’s hard to watch an analysis video where the extent of their analysis feels like they learned what Wynn was from a synopsis off of Sparknotes

[wispy niche]

i remember this one yeah, it seemed to just make some odd choices in terms of what they’re including, as you said

[wispy niche]

chatgpt overview of wynncraft history 🔥

[outer sphinx]

Some analysis were literally 30 seconds long

On ENTIRE. UPDATES.

Fruma got 1 minute 😭

[wispy niche]

these types of videos i feel like you kinda need some genuine experience with the game to have a proper understanding

which a sponsor video doesnt usually do tbh

[outer sphinx]

I just think the guy doesn’t understand how to format an analytical essay type of video, which is perfectly fine

Felt like a primary school essay, where you’re still learning how to focus topics, whilst delving deeper than surface level analysis, and the rubric’s word count

The real problem is that this was sponsored

[feral lance]

A video about "how Wynncraft broke the mold" also takes a big credibility hit when you know they're paid to say that

[severe dome]

they literally arent paid to say that lol

theyre paid to make a video, the contents of that video is their choice

[feral lance]

I'm not saying you fed them a script like a mobile game ad read, but that sponsored reviews can't contain a honest opinion

[severe dome]

you dont think its possible that they legitimately believe what they say, just because its a sponsored video

that makes it inherently dishonest somehow

[feral lance]

I'm saying you're not credible if you make a review for people who paid you

[severe dome]

i see the point of being skeptical of it, since you know theyre being paid because wynn wants to come off good, but i think going from that to "they must be lying" is more of a leap than you're making it out to be

[feral lance]

I am not saying they must be lying.

[severe dome]

thats what i took from "sponsored reviews can't contain a honest opinion"

[feral lance]

my point is that you have no knowledge of whether they are saying something because they got money or because they genuinely believe what they're saying

[uneven dome]

I don't when everyone in the thread is saying that the players in the videos don't make it to even mid point of the game.

[uneven dome]

It's like "9 out of 10 people recommended BRAND"
-# sponsored by brand

[feral lance]

This much can be fine, you can make content about the earlygame of wynn and still have something to say about it. Goes stale quickly when you have this many of the doing it though.

[uneven dome]

Of course they recommend it, they were paid for it.

[uneven dome]

In such a short time too

[pallid summit]

The problem isn't that it's impossible for them to actually think the product is good, is that you can't tell apart a genuine and fake opinion when that opinion is paid for.

So if you don't know the person you just kind of have to assume the worst.

[indigo condor]

i'mma be real Salted response says it all, it's just very hard to promote wynncraft to a convertible demographic

ig hbs is better than DonutSMP to take a stab at 🤣

imagine

first thing wynncraft would have to do is host a proximity voice chat

[feral lance]

lock that shit behind silverbull i wanna hear as little of them as possible

[misty charm]

"Bro give me mythiiiic please broo"

[outer sphinx]

You are guaranteed to lose credibility, when you take a look at any donor regarding a specific topic. It also ESPECIALLY doesn’t help your case for credibility, if your analysis is as simplistic, poorly researched, and structureless as that. All credibility doesn’t fall on the donor, of course, as payment is usually a supporting factor in all research, but they back that payment with in-depth, reputable, critical analysis that gets supportive evidence/information from sources that don’t purely follow a single organization (think news media looking for statistics and gathering multiple different research articles that cover not just the topics statistics, but the surrounding statistics that may actively support a reputable, sound conclusion)

[echo spindle]

tbh i think this is part of the problem, i think while it’s nice we got a unfiltered view from
their pov i think a little structure would have been better for the videos

[outer sphinx]

When you lead an analysis video off with the sponsor, and then follow it up with ChatGPT esc Wiki filler, it’s impossible to place any faith in the reviewer

[echo spindle]

i get im not like target demographic but watching diff people complete early game stuff wasnt that engaging especially compared to how cool fruma was

like auburn is so fucking cool it’s a shame it wasn’t highlighted in a lot of videos

[outer sphinx]

Also, I wanna add on to a previous point on algorithmically appealing titles, and say that this isn’t something that needs to be translated to the video itself

That one Olinus advertisement, where they say “this phase is impossible to no hit!” Doesn’t work, because the title is “Can you survive”

Nothing to entice the algorithm to pick up on the video. Why tf do you think so many short form content videos have weird af titles like “This MC SERVER is THE GREATEST??? 😮🤯”

You can’t make slop content to advertise your good server, but then not take it to the place where the algorithm actually decides whether or not it shows onto people’s pages? Like, the title and tags are objectively the most important thing you can perfect for engagement

[wispy niche]

i wish the sponsored videos werent in #🔴highlights tbh, theres much better content coming out from actual players

[uneven dome]

yeah it feels like an insult to people who actually want to make videos for wynn

[echo spindle]

i’m ngl getting my videos snuffed out for sponsored content was really fucking annoying

i feel like i put so much effort into them and im getting beaten by a person not in the community who played til almuj and made a generic video

wasn’t the point of highlights to show off community creations why is this even a thing 😭

[wispy niche]

yea its kinda lame

[echo spindle]

like who r we highlighting enzans brother to 😭if ur in this discord ur probably aware enough

[wispy niche]

made a thread

[uneven dome]

yeah 100%
"should we promote smaller wynncraft creators?"
"nah. let's promote people we paid"

[indigo condor]

🥀 constructive feedback left the chat

[plush meteor]

Ngl I was gonna say the d2 comparison is crazy but actually Wynn probably has my 2nd favorite gameplay behind it for 1st person games

I’m just hoping over time wynn realizes that potential more with the endgame content instead of squandering it like Destiny

[drifting zealot]

lol about the music

it would be interesting to know how many people turn it off

I would imagine it’s a lot of people

[indigo condor]

i'll tell you 1 thing, it's actually amazing, until u get to hear it over and over

[outer sphinx]

Fruma has the best structured music for repeated listens, though. I’ve been AFK for weeks, just taking in the details and the sounds. It all sounds amazing

You don’t get the same luxury in Gavel rn

[indigo condor]

i don't like repetitive tracks

with a few awesome exceptions

[gritty hill]

Just post slop content until then...

[elder oxide]

post btb content.....

[eternal mason]

megido

[outer sphinx]

Megido hella, but it runs shit for me, and I would assume it runs shit for other people