I dont think the sponsored videos are having a good intended effect...

[echo spindle]

thats cuz u were supposed to wait for fruma

[whole viper]

so lemme just nab the list again

[echo spindle]

dev time was needed for that

[tepid egret]

Log in

Look in chat

LARI OH MAN LARI AWOOGA
FEMBOY SHOUT
OH MAN OOORAAA WOOF WOOF AWOOG-

(I disable shouts at this point)

[gritty hill]

You forgot the rex shouts

[lofty shale]

shouts are so terribly corny

[outer sphinx]

You forgot 10 jolly posts

[tepid egret]

Ok but jolly is at least funny for now

[dire sail]

very descriptive

[lofty shale]

its the most forced shit ever vro

[echo spindle]

john gluk more forced

[tepid egret]

I wrote more and had to back track because I didn’t want screenshotted

[outer sphinx]

Every Wynncord meme is forced asf, but idgaf about a lot of it

[thorn dock]

yes super reasonable, lets sponsor a buncha large youtubers and not give them bare minimum tools to help deal with their presence on wynncraft

[lofty shale]

its like those wierd kids in class who say wierd shit to get attentin

[outer sphinx]

We needed a Greg fast, and I’m happy it died

[whole viper]

-better stalking protection
-prevent DMs
-prevent party/raid invite spam
-better cloaking from other players
-tighter moderation on questionable shouts
-media world raid compatibility/support
-media-exclusive way to drop raids midway through in case of stream snipers/trolls

[thorn dock]

shoulda happened w/ fruma, is adding a /msg or /party toggle gonna break nol raid again? 😭

[echo spindle]

genuinely i remember watching them and like they were very very very not good

like a lot of the content imo was a lot of the creators trying their best to make with what htey had

[whole viper]

that a good baseline?

[tepid egret]

I didn’t even realize you are media because no tag

[echo spindle]

and trying to make sense of the world as it is

[thorn dock]

I think it's good!

[lusty dagger]

What channel?

[tepid egret]

I’ll send a message link of this to somebody but no promises anything happens

[echo spindle]

ngl please add like resource pack stuff too 🥀

[tepid egret]

?

[thorn dock]

I appreciate you both at least trying man, thanks heaps

[tacit quartz]

so like is the role bot still fixed or is it still eating roles

[whole viper]

this is specifically for streams. one thing at a time

[misty charm]

What? 😨

[gritty hill]

@echo spindle you have no rights until media rank 😁

[whole viper]

easing videomaking is a much more complicated thing I think

[thorn dock]

also if you're wondering why I don't have media here, it's because I removed it myself. I'm LunaCrash

[lofty shale]

bro gotta upload for that

[whole viper]

so taking it one thing at a time rn

[echo spindle]

patch changes like screw over resource pack

[gritty hill]

true!

[lusty dagger]

Oh shit I love ur morph video it got me thru fruma

[tepid egret]

Oh, I don’t think we can fix that

[echo spindle]

so you ahve to dig thru ur wynntils archived resource packs

[whole viper]

I'm assuming you need resource pack for like...grabbing textures for thumbnails and such??

[echo spindle]

flashback replays

[outer sphinx]

Did you make the morph only challenge video?

[whole viper]

coming at this from a completely ignorant end so

[tepid egret]

My understanding is think like minecraft block IDs
If you add block 30 when block 31-99999 exist, they all shift

I could be 1000000% wrong btw

[thorn dock]

its the lemonlade person i think

[echo spindle]

no i dont think theys hould like stop obfuscation its like IP issues and ppls work right

but at the very least some sort of resource should be provided that gives dates & official resource pack downloads

[narrow heart]

I don't think that's the case since like 1.6

[gritty hill]

It's the models that break when RP updates not blocks

[tepid egret]

In server model replacer not resourcepack

[echo spindle]

so that if i needed to go back and forgot to download the rp for that week i dont want to die

ive done that so many times and i ahve so much footage that is now completely unusable

[narrow heart]

Oh you mean internal wynn stuff? Yeah idk anything about that

[outer sphinx]

Do you have any unique challenges vids like that? And, if so, what’s your channel?

[lofty shale]

luna crash

[echo spindle]

the lack of tools genuinely hard punsihes ppl who want to make like more edited content

[gritty hill]

Hi!

[lusty dagger]

https://youtu.be/sofBRPMMhdA?si=6zH-EgUGP26Ld6h0

I think they lost their log in lol

[echo spindle]

youre on a severe time crunch to make sure what you have is actually pumped out before you havet o deal with resource pack issues

[lusty dagger]

"10 months ago"

[thorn dock]

ill upload soon...ish i swear

[gritty hill]

Gamer person did his completionist first...

[grim harbor]

Hell yes you can,
Battery and Panda are great examples

[echo spindle]

get thru apotheosis first 😂

[outer sphinx]

Need me some Rurie edits ngl

[thorn dock]

i still have ~10 more completionist eps before in finally good to sink back into main channel

[lofty shale]

rurie 😳

[outer sphinx]

Put that South Park trap remix on in the background

[lofty shale]

top 3 character and he aint 2 or 3

[outer sphinx]

Rurie is the best character, yeah

[gritty hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1398295183568666714/1444772969380315322/Colossus_Clock.png?ex=69eb1c6e&is=69e9caee&hm=68a656065228fbda965394cef95c4cd82299e0a30381af26e8b54f0ca8110c02&

[outer sphinx]

It’s not even a contest, bros the best

[gritty hill]

The colossus is waiting.

[lusty dagger]

Wtf who made this lol

[echo spindle]

sry lemme put what i said into concise bullet

• rp changes can ruin replays
• should have some sort of approved access to RP archives + dates they were active
• current rp system encourages less effort since u dont want to be recording stuff just to have it, want to just sort of pump stuff out before an rp change

[lofty shale]

chud pacificist lari vs chad genocidical rurie

[outer sphinx]

Clock Mystery; True Identity?

[tepid egret]

I’ve sent the message to the person I believe it should go to, but no guarantee something happens especially not immediately

I need to get to sleep, but have a good one everyone
Random photo

[outer sphinx]

Chad collar bone nipples

[valid fable]

The pre anni shouts have seared my eyes more than the sun going off ever could

[whole viper]

kk, passed the list along in the staff discord

again, can't guarantee anything, but

[echo spindle]

tysm

[gritty hill]

Perchance...

[echo spindle]

@lucid moss does noob have any comments

[thorn dock]

ok i have like no more input to give in this thread anymore, and i dont really care about the sponsored vids other than i feel like it woulda been nice if those systems were in place before the sponsors, but i still think its prolly a net positive for wynn

[whole viper]

I do feel like it's important to address, cause this is about outreach- and if it's hostile to stream the game, that's a method of outreach that's cut off, as well as just sucking for the actual streamers so solving this could be two birds with one stone basically

[gritty hill]

idk some clown

[thorn dock]

thank you both for at least engaging with it, genuinely. I know it's totally outta both of your depth but it's nice to feel heard

[outer sphinx]

Do do do do do do do do do do

[valid fable]

Selvut is always trying to be helpful, at least clearing stuff up

[echo spindle]

its always fun to be reminded ct have about as much say as the average player

[valid fable]

It’s a commendable effort and much appreciated

[lofty shale]

who even has say 😭

[echo spindle]

I dont Know

[valid fable]

Evil and intimidating server ownership

[lofty shale]

is it all the big cow?

[thorn dock]

yes but they have easier contact w/ higher ups at the very least. still a shot in the dark but I'll take anything ngl

[whole viper]

it's more just a matter of in matters outside of our specific roles as CT(builder, mob maker, quest writer, etc) all we can really do is petition and pass stuff along to people who are more in charge- the managers

[outer sphinx]

Grian has all the say, and continues to pull the strings from beyond his hermit craft thumbnails

[echo spindle]

think most cts have like their own domain to rule over and the farther it gets to relevance to their jobs they have less and les simpact

[whole viper]

it isn't as though we're ignored or anything, just that we aren't the final arbiters of the decision and where priorities end up falling

[gritty hill]

wait should I make daily GIFs until Luna finally uploads a main channel video

[valid fable]

yes

[echo spindle]

u making the whole tenor library

[thorn dock]

oml

[lofty shale]

notice how the 1st city is ragni not detlas...

[outer sphinx]

Hmmmm, suspicious

[tepid egret]

Useless info I spoke to grian once they were super based and said ??? Quest shouldn’t need to be done 15 times and armor snould either be no req untradable or tradable with req…

So real for that…

[tacit quartz]

stuff like that needs brushing up yeah

[thorn dock]

@lofty shale im sorry for kinda derailing ur thread, I know it was about the sponsorships, i felt the need to air my own frustrations 😭

[outer sphinx]

Design, if done by a devilish deceiver

[tepid egret]

Also said level 40-50 shouldn’t make you zigzag across the entire game… grian is based …

[lofty shale]

no its perfectly on topic, instead of sponsoring mostly mediocre videos salted should focus on wynns own content creators

[echo spindle]

why isnt it no req untradeable yet

[whole viper]

I think it was important to say either way. it's at least like, tangentially related to "what impact is wynn media having on wynn"

[echo spindle]

i genuinely think it was a good move it just needed a LOT more support

[thorn dock]

i totally dont have this written down as a video topic...

[thorn dock]

agree

[outer sphinx]

Good thing he doesn’t work on Wynn, because these all sound terrible

[whole viper]

if part of it is that wynn media is difficult TO make, then we oughta consider steps towards making that easier through whatever methods are available and feasible, or at least have that on the to-do list

[lofty shale]

well wynn already had a bad rep in sb comm bc of the hytale/wynntale jokes

[echo spindle]

zero support for wynn's own content creators and very little for other creators 🥀

[lofty shale]

there was like genuine hate for wynn bc of that which was sad to see

[tepid egret]

Last I heard LONG ago is if it has no req “it MUST be nerfed” because balance. I said this is dumb salted isn’t holding a gun to your head and never got a response

(I wasn’t CT at the time, idk what the stance is for real)

[echo spindle]

"FRUMA UPDATE" and half of the sponsored videos are them in early wynn

[gritty hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1398295183568666714/1494796445826683083/finalro.gif?ex=69eb296c&is=69e9d7ec&hm=8afdc82be257ca7b386ae7b5fd52b637e51310464dfdaec7eb04b886987acea4&

[echo spindle]

and then the other half are like clueless individuals in fruma

[thorn dock]

i mean, fortnite blew up from sponsorships, and I saw a lot of comments on vids about people who saw wynn for the first time who said they wanted to play. I think it's a good move, I just think the demographic you're afraid of is the demographic that comes along w/ mainstream attention

[lofty shale]

most of em are in like tempo town 💔

[echo spindle]

like genuinely they needed to get some trusted individuals in there to help the content creators icl

[valid fable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-13001731354452076648

[echo spindle]

ok but like fortnite is not progression-based, very easy to understand, and approahcable

[outer sphinx]

Using TCC’s favorite words, followed by their least favorites:

[echo spindle]

if fortnite was releasing a brand new map update and 60% of the sponsored content was like them finishing a tutorial outside of the brand new map i THINK it mgiht have tanked their success

[gritty hill]

he's gonna hurl racial rocks

[thorn dock]

same can kinda be applied tho, fortnite was sponsoring csgo, cod, rust, and other yts for shooter games, wynns applying the same logic to mc mmorpg audience and just hitting hsb

[lofty shale]

hsb is not rpg

[thorn dock]

theres still a ton of overlap

[outer sphinx]

I didn’t know we had rocks with racial profiling

[lofty shale]

naw not rly

[echo spindle]

i dont think so, since wynn is a very diff system, and has real progression you kinda have to build up to

[lofty shale]

sb players will quit in 0.5 seconds wynn

[echo spindle]

like fortnite is a pick up and play game

oh yea i shoot and i loot and i do this and the games over in 30 mins

[thorn dock]

a HUGE fraction of wynn players are former hsb players, i just dont agree w/ that ngl

[lofty shale]

its one way traffic

[echo spindle]

yeah but they had to actually go thru the experience

[thorn dock]

especially during the skyblock outage

[lofty shale]

bc most think hsb suck and want a different expereince

[echo spindle]

theyre the ones who actually stayed thru everything

[tacit quartz]

the go wynn then cashout hsb irltrade route

[echo spindle]

im not saying that your average player wont understand anything im saying that for a content creator to do the flashy stuff they should have been showing off there needs to be a baseline udnerstanding of the game

watching some clueless individual fight like 4 of the tournament enemies which were not that difficult tbh and kind of just a dps check and then read dialogue for 20 minutes was not very engaging

[lofty shale]

are videos like this possible for wynn

literally just on my fyp

this is what skyblock gets viewership from

[echo spindle]

its a real problem with wynn because like the betas aren't a curated experience, i think if the media beta was a curated experience with limited stuff BUT a real way to guide them thru it shit could have been so much smoother

[outer sphinx]

Kinda, but only for end game imo, or with surface level analysis for basic class building throughout the game

[thorn dock]

The ULTIMATE Class Building Guide | EVERYTHING you need to know (Wynncraft)

[lofty shale]

shit might be 10 hours long

[thorn dock]

copy paste that onto like anything ngl

[gritty hill]

class building guide

• fire slop
• rainbow slop

[whole viper]

while it's probably already been done a few times I think some starter tips on how to like, Play The Game would be an appreciated type of video

[echo spindle]

theres a reason why like influencer demos are a very small portion of the game and thats because you need to be able to curate the experience and make sure they havet he necessary tools and information

[desert belfry]

i think we just need to ban furries and shouts become 10x better

[echo spindle]

guide content is ultra shit for your engagement on youtube

[whole viper]

yeah that's the trick

[outer sphinx]

There’s this helmet called titanomachia, and I think it will be the only thing you use

[gritty hill]

Wait until they hear hellish Cinders!

[thorn dock]

guides are also kinda like, awful for audience retention unless you find a way to tie personality into it

[whole viper]

I don't think it wouldn't be useful or unappreciated but it could be iffy on demographics- I kinda gathered as much from the overall conversation, though since I'm not a career youtuber/streamer I wouldn't have known that til just now

[outer sphinx]

Or Xil.. Xitch-Xit… Xi

[gritty hill]

The abso helm!

[thorn dock]

theres a reason i stick to topical nonguide video essays lol

[outer sphinx]

Yeah that one

[thorn dock]

(olinus will also literally tell u this himself)

[echo spindle]

yea thats why the I DID X FOR 10 HOURS vids are always so good cuz its a "exploration" or "journey" when in reality it is a guide

[thorn dock]

S tier content ideas ngl, people love those and will stick around

wintel swimming

[outer sphinx]

I’ve reiterated this a few times now, but Wynn is kinda just doomed by the algorithm. Good content and engaging personalities aren’t enough, and you’re just kinda forced into a box with the world it tries to cultivate

[echo spindle]

idts

[thorn dock]

i dont agree either

[echo spindle]

its just cuz no one really be doing stuff that other ppl outside the community wanna watch

[valid fable]

They gave us titano for every piece man

wtf even is drenched igneous

[thorn dock]

i get A LOT of people on my main channel who have never heard of wynncraft before, you just need to brand your content correctly, think of 2b2t for example

[whole viper]

I mean stuff like
-pick mage, warrior, or archer for an easy start
-read and pay attention to the text
-make sure you keep up on your equipment
-collect high tier ingredients to sell on the market
-the content book is a tool so don't overrely on it, learn the map yourself
-explore around to find hidden things

[outer sphinx]

I don’t think you can have a wynncontent creator actually sustain a consistent audience—outside of the community—with the kind of game Wynn is, and what it runs on

[echo spindle]

using luna as an example morph set is good for community engatgement pretty shit for outside cuz if ur a random person if you manage to get it on timeline you have zero idea about what the hell morph even is

why would you even click on that video

[gritty hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922956404191555626/1249099169759625369/olinius_skill_shoe.mp4?ex=69eb2b01&is=69e9d981&hm=e2cd819c2f4237d581051b566dd8dd5b2081b05c0eb39af796d9d30337478133&

olinus mentioned (I feel sorry for making this slander)

[narrow heart]

ts is why no one makes vids on wynncraft 😭

[thorn dock]

that vid IS on its way to 100k views btw, and it's a stupidly niche topic. The title just hard carries because people wanna know why this 'mysterious' morph set is so hated

[gritty hill]

Can't spell Fruma without FA

[echo spindle]

yea but anecdotally speaking i dont see very many non-wynn players click it

atl east the comment dont reflect it

[valid fable]

My build doesn’t even use A

[echo spindle]

curious what the audience breakdown is

[valid fable]

agility isn’t real, shit ass skill point

[gritty hill]

!

[echo spindle]

like the new viewers stuff

[valid fable]

Oh you want to live? Agi failure motherfucker!

[outer sphinx]

2B2T pulls an audience because it’s base MC, but also advertised as this historical, mysterious concept that’s popular in a lot of lost media communities. The community it cultivated on YT is purely because of the concept of anarchy being far more developed than an MMORPG MCMMO, especially one that isn’t designed around being a fast paced, grind heavy, slop fest

[thorn dock]

if you scroll down theres people talking about how theyve never heard of wynn before

ESPECIALLY my economy video. I got a ton of people commenting who are like "wtf is wynncraft"

[echo spindle]

theres good storylines too

[echo spindle]

yea this what im saying, economy is a very like general topic so if you see eocnomics in wynncraft ur like oh i wannaw atch that

but morph is more niche so ppl are less likely to even venture into it

[outer sphinx]

There are, but they’re contained to its world. And, you have to actually format the storyline in a video to be engaging for the viewer, which is actually really difficult to do

[thorn dock]

ok another example, runescape. from an outsider, runescape content is REALLY fascinating to learn about history, ridiculous player achievements (zezima), and general community. This is TOTALLY applicable to wynn

[gritty hill]

Someone needs to do lore video about wynncraft

[thorn dock]

and ive never even played runescape and watch this content lol

[gritty hill]

Either in game or guild drama

[echo spindle]

yeah but wynncraft storylines are almost always x person revealed to be a pedophile or some sort of s offender or theyre a creep or weirdo

[gritty hill]

Guild drama has so much potential to be farmed LOL

[echo spindle]

so i dont think i wanna make a video on any of them

[thorn dock]

probably unironically lmao, but thats kinda scummy

[valid fable]

The problem with this is that you have “well this is where the lore completely breaks” moments in there because of all the retconned and outdated shit in older quests

[echo spindle]

community lore not acutal lore

[gritty hill]

but yeah 90% of gcomm lore is basically pedophilia

[echo spindle]

theres so much guild community lore youd have to ask some ACTUAL historians

[valid fable]

LMAO yeah gcomm more like guild cesspool ngl

[echo spindle]

gcomm got so much better once the age of larp was killed and there was a real endgame that wasnt just larp

[narrow heart]

wynn has potential

[valid fable]

Triflame incident alone could be farmed for forever

[echo spindle]

lose media rank forever

[thorn dock]

I KNOW LMFAOO

[gritty hill]

Triflame Vs Wackolo

[outer sphinx]

RuneScape pulls the mmo crowd through a concept that is already naturally appealing to that community, with a design that’s familiar to them. And, it has history to boot. Wynn literally cannot have this, because it is forced into MC, which limits its potential design already. Like, if someone doesn’t like MC, but loves MMO’s, you’ve already lost them, because they don’t want to play MC. Ik people who love MMO’s like WoW, Destiny 2, and even more simplistic ones like Wizard101 who would never be able to get into Wynncraft because of its engine

[echo spindle]

Unironically the highest overlap is warframe wynncraft

[valid fable]

the legend of fadingawayyyy

[echo spindle]

for kind of obvious reasons warframe and wynn are like very similar games

[thorn dock]

idk warframe enough ngl but my cousin watches it religiously

[valid fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662774318106804282/821047089282285568/1600477844789.gif

[echo spindle]

so imagine you ahve wynncraft but instead of a blocky man you are a cybernetic space ninja

[whole viper]

I'd gone so long without thinking about that fucker and now I remember their name again. goddammit

[outer sphinx]

Ik some people a part of that community in Wynn, and it’s interesting to look at the potential similarities. Wynn pulls its crowd as best as it can from its inspirations, but it isn’t its own thing. It’s in MC, and will always be limited because of that

[thorn dock]

peak edating drama

[lofty shale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/tuff-peppa-who-is-he-afpAHreRfDa7nd3Sbt

[echo spindle]

you are pretty much just doing the same shit of like making money collecting shit and then becoming very strong

[valid fable]

What about like, diamondhunt. Or the history of ambrosia loans
Wynn is a goldmine of unhinged community lore

[narrow heart]

diamondhunt is a legend, even I remember him

[misty charm]

😭 🙏

[valid fable]

You don’t know the triflame incident ?

[echo spindle]

i think it has potential its just every moment its supposed to shine it fucks it up

[misty charm]

Damn son this thread is on fire 🔥 ✍️

[lofty shale]

nop

[echo spindle]

like think how many players quit because of how ass the week 1 fruma experience was

[lofty shale]

whgat am i looking at

[thorn dock]

i think itd be a really fun vid but putting these bums on blast for thousands of people to see just feels so scummy imo

[valid fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262010576295821312/1208863536650911764/debtrepayed.gif

Fair enough, I do see that

[thorn dock]

BUT i think theres huge potential for content if you focused on community in videos rather than like in x quest x happens

[misty charm]

Ah yes it would be very fun laughing at a stupid 15 year old

[gritty hill]

tldr edating gone wrong

very very very very wrong

[lofty shale]

edating bottom 3 activities oat

[narrow heart]

edating in wynn 🥀

[keen prism]

That boat section in that quest still gives me PTSD

[lofty shale]

how u attracted to some pixels

[valid fable]

It’s not that which makes it interesting, it’s the months of community interaction and petty drama around them that makes it funny

[gritty hill]

hey hey look at the rex shouts

[valid fable]

welcome to the internet

[narrow heart]

please no

[whole viper]

funnily enough they accused ME of similar things back a few years ago, because I was a moderator at the time and they kept bending the rules so I kept whacking them with mutes.

[lofty shale]

mfs when woman

[whole viper]

f u n n y h o w t h a t w o r k s , h u h ?

[misty charm]

Thank god i disabled shouts

[valid fable]

there’s no neeeed to panic, this isn’t a test

[narrow heart]

tsundere with adhd or whatever she has

[lofty shale]

holy reductionist

[outer sphinx]

I think that, even if it got its moment and clung to it 100 times, it would never maintain it. It’s an MCMMO with inspirations from a ton of unique sources, but not a lot of them are actually attached to MMO’s. The MMO crowd isn’t actually flocking to Wynn all that much, ironically. People join for its own unique concept, but also because of its familiarity in its engine, which is great for holding onto long term players who will fall in love with the game, but not so good at attracting huge numbers of people who will—just generally—connect to it, which is what an MMO needs to thrive

[narrow heart]

what's that 😭

[lofty shale]

terms like tsundere etc are just ways of making a womans entire existence around a man

but like extremely off topic

[gritty hill]

the moment of all time

[narrow heart]

I watch anime and every character there has a type like that. It's just easier to write that way

so idk if that's not common in other media

[lofty shale]

half of anime is written by incels

[whole viper]

yeah there was a whole cabal of people doing that but iirc triflame was the one who kicked off those rumors

[gritty hill]

idk edating in wynn never goes right

[narrow heart]

other half is written by women tho

[outer sphinx]

My heart has been broken 100 times now by friends who joined to experience Wynn, and hated it because of the way MC feels. Then, they go play destiny 2 and say this is just straight up better, despite Wynn having an incredible game in there, too

[thorn dock]

another good example IMO is hypixels "The Pit"

[gritty hill]

i have never ever seen an edate relationship in wynn ever setting sail

[whole viper]

funny how it ended up being the people who kept breaking the rules and kept getting whacked with warnings and mutes for breaking the rules

it's almost like that was the reason behind it, rather than anything else

[lofty shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123646632764899369/1373353907358797914/tenor_16.gif

[outer sphinx]

This is my story, but with architect gambling

[valid fable]

Bad writing is gender neutral 🥰

[lofty shale]

truth hypernova

[narrow heart]

true

I didn't know people get angry at terms like tsundere

[lofty shale]

no not angry its just imagine saying that irl

[narrow heart]

it's like obvious that irl people don't fall in types like that

[outer sphinx]

Yes they do, 5 year olds

[narrow heart]

I said people, not kids

[lofty shale]

ts how neckbeards view the world

[narrow heart]

deranged people, f em

[outer sphinx]

All of anime is just the desperate attempt to connect the simplicity and excitement of being a stupid, undeveloped, moronic, brainless child, to being an adult

[narrow heart]

bro watches anime through tiktok or sum

like those gooner bait edits

[valid fable]

on the topic of being reductionist

Need I elaborate?

[gritty hill]

"ah yes i would like an abusive partner that will use violence against me and cause bodily harm but no worries they actually secrelty care for me so all the terminal injuries i suffer will be worth it" aaaa stereotype

[outer sphinx]

Hate me all you want, it’s true to some level

[valid fable]

( I have never seen an anime btw )

[lofty shale]

this shit about as on topic as cheese pizza

[outer sphinx]

(Me neither)

[gritty hill]

tsun can be done but not like, stupid levels

[sick lark]

Woah you don’t see kids as people?

[lofty shale]

no

[narrow heart]

yoooo smn got the joke

[valid fable]

LMAO

[lofty shale]

too many bad parents around lil kids are genuinely psychos

[narrow heart]

only if you are deranged from the start tbh. Most people I know who watch anime are regular people, might be region diff tho

[outer sphinx]

Tbf, those children would be a lil better if we didn’t have the internet

[narrow heart]

Internet till like 16 is bad

[gritty hill]

the internet was a mistake

[valid fable]

Look man I had very good and caring parents back then and I still turned out unhinged

[valid fable]

Wouldn’t have met my best friend of over 5 years without it so can’t say I agree

[sick lark]

Ngl anime has become a lot more mainstream, I never watched my first anime until college, and it was my four roommates and I watching Attack on Titan. So I think the range of the typical anime watcher has probably widened a lot

[outer sphinx]

I made a statement so hyperbolic that I must rephrase it: Anime tropes are just aspects of our childhood that we have subconsciously attached to the simplicity, and uniqueness of being a child. Writing aside, this is an objective truth, and it is done to varying levels of success in a lot of anime’s media

[narrow heart]

but writing realistic chars is hard, just slap a type on them and call it a day

[narrow heart]

Before that watching anime was a basement dweller activity only

[outer sphinx]

We reduce our characters to tropes because, like growing as a child, it is easier to comprehend the world that way

[gritty hill]

trash anime has a place in my heart

[valid fable]

This thread is basically just wynnmain by now

[sick lark]

There’s a weird overlap between people who go to the gym now and anime, and raves too 😭

[outer sphinx]

It, like all of Wynn, is on a spectrum 👹 👹 👹

[sick lark]

Gym bro culture now is basically, lifting, caffeine overdosing, anime, and raves

[narrow heart]

that's too deep imo, people just suck at writing good characters because they have no exp with irl humans

[narrow heart]

can't watch anime without eating trash along the way

[outer sphinx]

Almost as if they were stunted, and, subsequently, subconsciously limited

[gritty hill]

if i keep eating good shit i will never appreciate it until i eat bad shit

but sometimes they are guilty pleasures

[narrow heart]

I dropped anime cuz I overdosed on good shows and couldn't watch bad ones anymore, only recently returned cuz my taste cleared

[outer sphinx]

Real G’s do everything they want the minute they want it and give up

Or excessive purchases

[narrow heart]

h word is bad

[outer sphinx]

Like 100 subscriptions to different streaming services fr

[solar hull]

Didn't read the post I am down voting tho

[narrow heart]

pirate that shi

[lofty shale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-train-zl87HvRfVfxew

[narrow heart]

reddit

[lofty shale]

derail^

[outer sphinx]

Yo ho ho ass statement

[lofty shale]

1bum

[outer sphinx]

1glum over here

[narrow heart]

I can't pay for smth that's already free (rare cases include when I want to help out game devs that I respect)

[outer sphinx]

I just don’t buy it fr

[valid fable]

#1 redditor award

[valid fable]

if buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing

[valid fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/361194799744679947/1139280043156193411/7v227h.gif

[outer sphinx]

You wouldn’t download a house with a 9.5% down payment without a fixed interest rate

[sick lark]

#🌎wynncraft message
?

[valid fable]

CAUGHT RED HANDED

[narrow heart]

bro instantly dug dirt on a guy

[sick lark]

#❓questions message

?

[narrow heart]

you are dangerous

[sick lark]

I am inevitable

[narrow heart]

#🗿class_builds message

[feral lance]

well they're sponsoring hsb youtubers and with how long the game is taking to modernize to allow latest version content, they'll feel right at home

[valid fable]

reading this conversation, it fills me with determination

only in wynncord 🔥

[keen prism]

Lightbender moment

[eternal mason]

First week? Oh boy the black hole demon would love to eat more items that time

[main creek]

almost all* of them.
-# i'm gonna go insane if i watch enzan's brother one more time, or a supercut of queen's recruit that skips the dinners, strategy meetings, and library snooing. 💀

not one of them even showcased espren, let alone the 3 next regions 🥀

[feral lance]

anyway I have thoughts as a sb player who's started playin wynn last year. First off, most sb players are kind of whatever about wynncraft and the move from hsb to trying out when it gets stale already happens by itself, like people know the existence of wynn without the need of those sponsored videos.
Second, the well is also incredibly poisoned when any contact is made. There isn't a single discussion that involves both sb and wynn without pointless arguments about shit. Like this thread itself is an example, I don't want to flame OP for this but an overwhelming majority of their messages regarding the sb community has been calling them stupid and rude. Which helps fuel the people who hate on the wynn community because negativity attracts negativity. If we want to attract players maybe don't ostracize one of your core potential player groups. Doesn't help with the communities trading shitters back and forth like 15h (#751480380632334457 message) , larucus trying his guild paid membership scam or in the case of wynn players migrating to hypixel we have Triflame "subtly" dropping nazi dogwhistles on the forums.

As for less drama and more gameplay reasons why Wynn could fail for sb players, and this stems from core wynn design that you can't really change for some of them, you just earn shit without really doing anything in wynn. for your entire playthrough (maybe not fruma idk I had an actual build by the time this update dropped), you just do a cave, crosscheck if the new equipment piece is better than what you have, and move on to do more quests.
During most of your playthrough, you'll be dropping your ancient weapons and armor for new shit in very little time, whereas in skyblock you grind to earn your shit and have decent time to get attached to your gear. This seems silly but it was a reason why runescape players dropped brighter shores (along with the 20 other reasons). out of space

[valid fable]

I will never understand how someone is able to farm 400 hours for the exact same item (functionally) but just with 10% higher stats

which is literally every single hsb melee armor

[main creek]

wyvern breeding 🥀

[valid fable]

Guess what I've not been doing at all

[feral lance]

The building part of your equipment is also quite flawed, you need to rely on external tools to how to even find items to upgrade your armor and going in blind the most reliable way to find items to upgrade your stuff is to go to a dungeon merchant and see if they have cool shit. Now imagine a skyblock player mistakingly thinking wynn has the same raid-type dungeons as skyblock only to be sent into an extremely outdated and slow experience. It's not good.

It's worth noting wynn also gets a lot of false advertisement as a stable and updated server. If someone makes it through the quests that really need modernization it's a miracle they don't get mad and will return to poison the well about wynn being awful.

[thin tiger]

The horizon please release the video and save us

[feral lance]

Simple, you play videogames to spend your time.

[valid fable]

But like

the aim is to have fun right.

how the fuck is that fulfilling, or worh your time for that matter

[feral lance]

Some people have fun doing that. It's also worth noting that 400h is an extremely hyperbolic estimate, like you'd need to be doing farming (sb's equivalent of proffing) for the highest endgame tier armor to get into that timeframe

[lofty shale]

I don't want to flame OP for this but an overwhelming majority of their messages regarding the sb community has been calling them stupid and rude
ive played sb a lot myself im like lvl 210 (not anything special but enough to get a grasp) and bottom line is sb is just full of kids

[echo spindle]

yea ngl sounded like bro just hand firsthand experience 😭

[valid fable]

I mean personally, I quit HSB because it felt like I'd have to spend dozens of hours on a mindnumbingly boring task for slight gear improvements that I needed only because the admins decided to give the boss 10x the stats of the previous one with no increased mechanical complexity

[feral lance]

I mean there's a lot of annoying people in hsb i agree but have you seen wynn shouts

[lofty shale]

if you think wynn community is gatekeepy, sb dungeons is like 10x worse

[echo spindle]

tbh the whole build thing is kinda the point ur not supposed to be spending time grinding for gear

[valid fable]

To me that felt like total and complete ass, but to each their own I guess

[feral lance]

(That though I absolutely agree)

[echo spindle]

i think sponsoring hsb players is also just kind of a weird move

[lofty shale]

i also sent msgs in here about how shout useers are top 2 cornballs

[feral lance]

Yeah, as I've said it's a core design issue but in a "it's different" way rather than "it's bad"

[lofty shale]

it feels kinda lil bro ish

"pick me pls"

[echo spindle]

it’s like the pitfall of “Hey My game is like yours”

[stoic sun]

i mean, the culture around skyblock is uh... yea
mix between 2 trillion children a billion toxic sweats and a ??? amount of people trying to steal your accounts

[echo spindle]

but if i wanted to play a game similar to the one i liked id just play the one i like 😭

[lofty shale]

oh yeah wynn just doesnt have scamming

[echo spindle]

ts not true 😭

[lofty shale]

skyblock has genuine hackers and scammers at every corner

[feral lance]

Wynn is genuinely blessed to have a nonexistant black market economy.

[lofty shale]

its like a negligible amt compared to skyblck

[echo spindle]

yea true

[feral lance]

And also no precedent for account scamming. The effects of JED have been the skyblock equivalent of nuclear weaponry

[echo spindle]

and community small enough mods will do something about it

[stoic sun]

i mean wynn does have a lot of anti scamming rules that are actually enforced

[lofty shale]

dude people would be fake friends with u just to steal ur shit

[thin tiger]

Lets make wynncraft niche gatekeep this shit

[echo spindle]

i join zamn to steal the 3 blue mythics in gbank

[lofty shale]

i made a friend and talked to him for months and blud stole my yeti sword and storms armor like are we fr

[feral lance]

Also doesn't help that hypixel just fully gave up on community moderators

[echo spindle]

idk why they’re there it’s just in hr bank

96% freedom lament convergence

[echo spindle]

too big no use

zero reward for doing so anyways besides being labeled an opp and not having friends

[thin tiger]

Pandamomium your so goated and based for that

[valid fable]

I've said this before but there is no community ever to rival the materialistic greed of hsb players aside from maybe the CEOs of big companies

[thin tiger]

U acting like wynncraft got good moderation

[echo spindle]

it’s better than nothing

[feral lance]

Larucus got banned fast though idk why 15h is still here

[lofty shale]

genuinely bro i aint ever seen other games w/ actual fake discords fake accounts fake links just to steal ingame money 😭

[echo spindle]

he didn’t diddle any wynn players yet

[lofty shale]

15h didnt do anything illegal he just wieerd af

[feral lance]

brother

[lofty shale]

unless i missed sm new

[feral lance]

did you see the msg i linked

[lofty shale]

naw

[echo spindle]

wasn’t he like low key grooming someone that’s all i could piece together

[thin tiger]

Wynn moderation is literally a bunch of people bending the rule on their will larucus only got banned fast beacuse it got popular attention

[lofty shale]

idk why bro worded it like that

[thin tiger]

yet

[lofty shale]

still i think calling 15h a p*do is minimizing actual peds like deathstreeks

but yeah off topic

[echo spindle]

u MIGHT get smited for posting this

[thin tiger]

goodbye

[feral lance]

he sent it not me

[echo spindle]

oh

[lofty shale]

idk why seq would let in someone with literal proof of doing that

oh look the laundry is quite dirty

[feral lance]

assume innocent over guilty idk

he was also like hard sweating the game from what ive seen

[lofty shale]

i should not Air Dirty Laundry

[feral lance]

but anyway irrelevant of drama I think the videos flopped bc sb players are just already aware of wynn

[barren trail]

no videos were released way too early on

before wynn could be stable

then major issues happened like every single updates

[tacit quartz]

Yeah funds should be saved till server can actually handle players

[feral lance]

that too yeah what the fuck did they think when summoning 30 million players

[lofty shale]

i mean if servers are fixed just summon the grian

[tacit quartz]

By the least if they can make anni not nuke the servers then maybe

[echo spindle]

[tacit quartz]

Since we all know that thing is a live running stress test

[feral lance]

I mean it has to be something really fucking deep in the decade old spaghetti code

[echo spindle]

every update ever btw

[lofty shale]

no need for any other servers when ex founder is literal grian

[barren trail]

it's always the same patterns

[lofty shale]

but servers are like 10% of the thing they should be for that

[echo spindle]

first weeks completely unplayable

[barren trail]

1st week lagfest, 2nd week major exploits are found

it's always the same way btw

[echo spindle]

3 months before real balance patch

[feral lance]

were there major exploits this update?

[echo spindle]

[barren trail]

🙂

[tacit quartz]

is tcc fixed yet btw

[thin tiger]

He still on wynncraft team he didnt leave

[lofty shale]

even better

[feral lance]

Is he? I don't think he would really give a shit about wynn

[echo spindle]

yeah he’s just not super active iirc

[thin tiger]

He is but he doesnt want to be associated with wynncraft

[echo spindle]

he posted it on his second channel

[feral lance]

well less so he doesn't give a shit and moreso he got other things going on

[lofty shale]

nah im p sure he still does shit in wynn just not making vids and stuf

[echo spindle]

ts not true

last time he posted something about wynn on main channel wynn servers shat themselves for 3 weeks straight

[thin tiger]

Didnt he say he dont want wynn to be like grian server and more like to have its own popularity

[echo spindle]

yeah but that’s not no association

[thin tiger]

I see

[echo spindle]

that’s i don’t want wynn to be my fan server

[thin tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447330404288827502/1456027659325804584/togif-7.gif

[barren trail]

it's like technoblade single handedly making skyblock popular

yet its not techno's server

[feral lance]

I would not say single handedly

[echo spindle]

techno also doesn’t own hsb

[feral lance]

He played a big part but its also quite rude to overshadow everyone else doing shit

[echo spindle]

also more importantly grian fan base did a fruma release to the servers

[barren trail]

I mean his videos did get to 30M views, any server will explode with this and he probably got 150M views for skyblock alone

[echo spindle]

im guessing that is a last ditch effort to save server

[tacit quartz]

when you have too much influence moment

[echo spindle]

idt they will be doing another grian main channel vid for a while

[feral lance]

Big part but not only part, smaller yts play a big role together

Which again i'm not saying his part was anything short of massive

[barren trail]

I'd agree on player retention part

but techno brought the players

[thin tiger]

Its ok guys im gonna promote wynncraft its gonna be mocomochi server

[pallid summit]

Jesus christ 1500 messages

[shadow bolt]

i think just generally wynncraft is a hard sell i can say that i was lured in by a friend with the promise of fun endgame and good questlines and along the way i saw a couple good questlines and "fun endgame" (which was just TNA which i still just don't really like as a raid lmao) and if i wasn't basically completely handheld through learning how to build and shit i would have given up when i started raiding. it's also hard because i think the players that would be the target audience for a minecraft mmorpg are already aware of the server. i think reaching out to skyblock youtubers was probably the wrong crowd but tbh it's a lose-lose bc all the "regular minecraft" creators are lowkey boring asf, mentally 14 years old, or are hyperspecialized within vanilla

[feral lance]

a lot of the regular mc viewers also dont even own the game i think

[shadow bolt]

yeah or they play on bedrock

[barren trail]

It's true that the numerous of for kids content or brainrot slop

Is insane

[feral lance]

hey to be fair we own both versions now

not too unreasonable of an ask anymore (although swapping versions is still a big ask it seems)

[barren trail]

Wynn needs to have the bedrock compatibility ngl

[lofty shale]

NO PLEASE NO

[shadow bolt]

true but they also don't be having a PC lol. or at least a PC strong enough to handle boltslinger 😛

[barren trail]

And a lategame with randomised content

That isn't lootruns

[feral lance]

I agree but having 0 knowledge of wynn's codebase nor how hard compatibility is but adding that is probably an insane task

[lofty shale]

this will kill the entire existing community aint noboyd wanna play with some bedrock kids

[feral lance]

Actually good point i forget they probably can't play java

[barren trail]

If they aim to get players that's how they have to do

[lofty shale]

thats literally never happening

[barren trail]

Ofc

And im not saying im a fan of this idea either

[feral lance]

I mean bedrock kids would be fine as long as you don't get them in your pf raid parties

[shadow bolt]

the masses, they want roguelikes everything. where's the fun in a linear game? where's the roguelike elements for replay value? where's my metaprogression to make the game easier because i suck?

(i don't like lootruns either they're boring asf and outside of the possibility of making money i would never do them)

[wispy niche]

dodging watched on pocket edition

[shadow bolt]

don't worry forgery rework will (??????)

[barren trail]

Yea exactly wynn needs a rogue like content

[barren trail]

Forgery rework will not fix the issues btw, it will for 2 weeks

[feral lance]

lootruns are quite a funny thing because instead of building for the run you're building for how much metaprogression progress you get

like imagine hades but your boons just give you the metaprogression items

[barren trail]

Lrs are well designed, just not for everyone

[shadow bolt]

all repeatable content has limits before it becomes unbearable, randomization is not the same as infinite time spent playing a game. if you don't click with a system no amount of roguelike elements is gonna help

[barren trail]

The worst designed lategame is outer void anyway

[small kraken]

What if we pay hololive jp vtubers to stream raids on as server

[barren trail]

But games like isaac work for a reason

[feral lance]

I do agree on lootruns being fine but I wish there was an activity that was based more heavily on actual gear and ability building

[barren trail]

Also profs needs to be more interactive

[barren trail]

Not happening salted has to sell a yacht for this one

[small kraken]

It can buy him 3more yachts trust

[feral lance]

that would be an extremely hard sell too

[shadow bolt]

i get why lootruns are a thing but i just don't really find them fun because very rarely do i feel like i'm on a razor's edge like many other roguelike games can offer. you have fairly little control over your success (other than beacon choice) since boons just kinda do what you were already trying to do, but 240% stronger

[barren trail]

Honestly I don't think Lrs are a problem

[feral lance]

why would hololive viewers play wynncraft when there are no 3d anime women/twinks

[thin tiger]

Real man dont say bad stuff about scroating

[small kraken]

To play with their oshis trust

[shadow bolt]

fair, i just don't like them ahaha

[barren trail]

I don't like Lrs either

[feral lance]

I agree about that, plus there's not really any excitement to be had since there's no real fail condition

[barren trail]

But from a neutral viewpoint, Lrs are the most advanced lategame content done

[barren trail]

Real man skip outer void days to fish in seavale

[shadow bolt]

i think that's true especially since there's no real endgame activity to build up to with expensive items

you own them to own them and there's like a 12% increase in damage from a slightly shittier, much less expensive one so it's like, bleh

[barren trail]

Lrs are the closest things to a roguelike ngl

Just that the caves and challenge always are the same

And not rly varied which is the issue

Slay loot defend survive

[shadow bolt]

that's my main thing -- not even that there isn't enough to do or enough to interact with but the fact that the choices you make are so railroaded they might as well not be choices

hm i wonder if i will need this walk speed boon that activates every time a monster sneezes orrrr i could grab this damage boon that actually does something

roguelikes can be not varied and still be great if they reward exploration of a deep system with the choices you make. i think you can get very far with very seemingly simple systems, like balatro, and you can even use previously established gameplay loops to your advantage like how spelunky was made in direct reference to mario. but i think lootrunning just kind of fails to have any sort of deep system. like you have the choice between beacons which is great and makes you think but your beacon choice is railroaded by heavy RNG making stuff that obviously decreases your reliance on that much, much stronger

this is besides the point. i might make a post about it some day. uhhhhhhhh sponsor kwebbelkop AI to come and write fruma dialogue

[barren trail]

Isaac probably is the example of what a good roguelike is, and also the closest thing wynn could take inspiration of

[tacit quartz]

Abyssal matter disagrees

[bitter cliff]

perhaps adding a 'infinite' dungeon that you descend downwards into with similar ish mechanics to lootruning?

[empty widget]

ngl it is weird why they dont sponsor creator who have done wynncraft content before instead of just paying money to a bunch of people who have never played on it.

[tacit quartz]

To absorb their audiences but yeah kinda whiff

[empty widget]

also only english content creator got sponsor is yikes

[tacit quartz]

Wynncraft lacks translations so likely so

[thin tiger]

Its crazy how they dont unban the nelston

[empty widget]

fr

[north void]

Prolly cuz theyre primarily trying to draw new players in?

[empty widget]

what I mean is to creator who have played like wynncraft once and made videos on it before

not regulars

like pyroscythe, they have done 3 videos on wynncraft before. Now they are a sizeable streamer maybe not only they will know a bit more about wynn but actually have audience they might want to try wynncraft cuz they have seen similar content before?

[north void]

Honestly idk how many channels there are like thay

[empty widget]

they are not targeting the right audience that will be interested in wynn imo

[bitter cliff]

the little wood

[empty widget]

yea

and it not even they so big they are no longer unreachable kinda way

[molten raven]

I would absolutely love to see more roguelike elements introduced into raids, cause rn but outside of gambits (that are pretty uninteresting imo), room variations (there are very few rooms anyway) and bonus (that don't change the way you play) there is no variation at all to your runs.

[true venture]

Dbd reference

[lofty shale]

wdym?

were u agreeing w/ me or disagreeing

[misty charm]

Worst thumbnail oat

[night lodge]

im agreeing

yeah some of this shit is not representative

[lofty shale]

ah ok i thought u were pointing out that those dont look too bad

i mostly meant the skyblock specific sponsors

[true venture]

That bottom thumbnail is so ass 😭

[night lodge]

thats what im sayin

[gleaming matrix]

As someone that plays a stupid amount of roguelikes/roguelites, the amount of variation in the current content for raids and lootruns is honestly kinda low for how much you are meant to play them to grind it

I would very much love to see some sort of variation into both to help that bit

[karmic plinth]

tuff angry zombie villager

no way thats not an ai gen thumbnail

it looks real though💔

[outer sphinx]

Ts vidyo tuff ngl

After further analysis, these vidyos are not tuff at all 😭

[true venture]

‘New mode: story’ what are we even doing

[outer sphinx]

I’m gonna be finding 3 things that could… give MC a story?

[misty charm]

Honestly would have been fine if it was like showcasing a mod

[outer sphinx]

Also, 100 days in Wynn? Like, 100 actual in game days? Or 3.5 months

Because Wynn isn’t a survival server

That’s like saying “spending 100 days reading a book”

[tacit quartz]

U aint wrong ur watching slideshows while mobs randomly bite you inbetween of dialogues stg fruma mobs

[outer sphinx]

25% correct, as usual

[lucid moss]

Wait on what I just woke up and there's been like a million messages since than 😭

[tacit quartz]

About time you giveup reading the mess and just send ur points out

[molten raven]

lootruns could have more but are kinda fine imo, especially with the new quests and trials, but yeah raids are def lacking

[prisma heart]

I’m not reading all this shit bro. 😭

I will say that some of the people giving an overall review of the game after playing up until like Gavel (which is like ~10-12 hours if you’re fast) feels odd. I’m pretty sure it’s because they hit the brick wall of progression that brings and say “eh good enough”, make their video, and then vanish into the aether with a 8 of 10 video (basically means out of the past 10, it was in 8th place in terms of views). Frankly, it’s dishonest, and as people have said before, it just seems to come from a lack of effort.

The 40-60 range has always been the DEATH for Wynncraft player retention. Even I stopped at level 45 or so because Bob’s Lost Soul is such a poorly designed quest, even with the improvements recently (I say recent, but they’ve been around since like 2.0).

Anyways I say we lock Wintel in Salted’s basement next to Olinus and force him to make his Acrobat video.

[stoic sun]

give us more of these lmao
https://youtu.be/ddC990vGFQA

[bleak bay]

are people shit talking wynncraft in the comments. 🤨 and are people being turned off that the server is sponsoring creators. i havent seen any complaints and if anything sponsoring youtubers is a defacto good thing

[thorn geyser]

A few people have done it by in game days since the day/night cycle is roughly 20 minutes
I don't know how they handle server swaps though

[lofty shale]

sponsoring is not a defacto good thing as it doesnt really promote organic growth and i can tell u right now if my favorite youtuber made a sponsored video about smth i wouldnt look twice at it

like maybe Raid: Shadow Legends is actually a banger game but nobody gonna know

[thorn geyser]

It's not didn't you see the lore analysis vid

[lofty shale]

nah bro i have no idea

[thorn geyser]

there's like an hour long analysis vid of the story and lore
tl;dr there's some interesting stuff but it's entirely in the background of a generic nothing story

[outer sphinx]

The realest real real way to really improve mid game: make it endgame, with fruma level density

Move all of Wynn to 1-60, ending off at the Wynn Excavation plot line. Let gavel be the place soldiers of great status go to represent and aid. Then, make 60-100 all the gavel stuff. Make an actual storyline for gavel, similar to Fruma’s in length and pacing, one that is already previously established by Wynn’s storyline, potentially aided even further by Aledar being our partner in Wynn, with both of them being with us for Gavel, ending off with Tasim being the Aledar of Fruma.

As of now, we have one of the worst scenarios possible: a back and forth between multiple different stories, while having no comfortable way to converge them until Fruma, which stinks.

[lofty shale]

ts genuinely never happneing

i dont think ct will ever have the time and energy to rework all of wynn

[outer sphinx]

You can’t pace your story properly, because you need to account for the content flip back and forth between Nesaak and the j(unc)le, and all of gavel’s early game

[outer sphinx]

The next step for making Wynn into a potentially engaging, structured storyline will need to be this, because Gavel is ruining Wynn’s potential. So much bloat, so little to converge with, and its main storyline is 5 quests for 20 levels, which is completely halted 20 times to go back to play with a bunch of junkle quests

Gavel shouldn’t just be something you go to, imo. Tasim specifically should be a defect, who left Wynn in search of his own story, and potentially getting away from his association with Fruma

Having it end at Wynn Excavation, before coming back for SE, makes alot of sense, as well. And, to have it be even further developed, whilst also hyping Gavel, it should’ve been the end before this new, expansive world. You’re not even given half of your level range, before you’re thrown into an entirely new world. You’ve got so much left behind, and will inevitably keep having more left behind, once Corkus is in the picture. At least if Wynn was ended at 60, and gavel started then, you could converge both Corkus and Gavel properly, because 80 is when the RoL questline is ended.

Like, Quartron is cool, and all the silly side quests, but so much of it is nonsensical in structure. Why are we playing with Ogre’s and killing ugly ladies as our introduction to fucking Olux

[proven wedge]

I kinda like the back and forth of gavel and all of the side quests, but I completely agree that it needs a main story line to tie it all together

[outer sphinx]

It’s also really fucking weird that iron heart has a whole 10 levels of space before its second part, whilst a heaping pile of ridiculously placed side quests are used to supplement the no story. It also doesn’t help that you’re do nothing to develop the story until level 54, after basically 30 levels since recover the past

Like, Gavel has a lot of fun things interspersed throughout, and they’re all engaging in their own way, but so much of it shouldn’t even be where it is. Some of these quests feel like world encounters, atp, and wouldn’t even be all that missed if they were reworked and removed.

[north void]

Gavel rereborn 😭

[outer sphinx]

Gavel Repentance, atp

It sucks, though, because all of this nitpicky nonsense would basically be solved, if it didn’t have so much content bloat in between 40-80, and was instead streamlined to its own level range

[frail sedge]

theres a zillion things to nitpick about gavel and about as many ideas floating around in the ct

[outer sphinx]

The issue has never been the lack of vision, imo. It’s always the scope, and the ability to translate it to wynncode/Minecrap

[frail sedge]

mjhm

but given how furma turned out, despite its shortcomings

i think there is finally hope

[outer sphinx]

Fruma proves they have great ideas, and can make a good enough storyline to engage someone

[sick lark]

And you’re the Chosen CT One. The one who will bring balance to Wynncraft! The one who won’t just generate Gavel ideas on Chat Gpt, but will actually change everything for the better

[outer sphinx]

There are obviously problems, ofc, but I would’ve been surprised if there weren’t. I like to see how the Wynn team develops itself, and they’re clearly getting good

[frail sedge]

no? im the ct member that makes everything worse

[misty charm]

W content team
The best team making the best content

[outer sphinx]

You can change this: add space glide to an armor piece/accessory

[sick lark]

Are the accusations true that fruma’s quests were written with chat gpt primarily

[frail sedge]

if they were fruma would have been out a year ago

[sick lark]

So like 50-50?

[frail sedge]

we used antikythera from the fallen factory to write them. (that and the organic work of a bunch of ct members)

[sick lark]

The AI goat

Fallen Factory raid soon surely

[spiral nimbus]

To be fair I haven't seen other people's videos, only Hellcastle's and Tyler's because they're frens, but at least their approach was great. They took their time, asked me and (I think) other players regarding the game, looked up the lore to not fuck it up, even went to Blue's Builds to get some builds of their own I think; I took some time to explain how Shadestepper works to Hellcastle and Tyler asked some advice on how to play Shaman, they were jsut willing to learn and actually get involved to not seem like a video where they don't actually know anything about the game and were just playing to get the money, and I think most improtantly they tried to make the video understandable for a person that doesn't actually know anything about Wynn or minecraft servers in general

I don't know if this approach was taken for other content creators, hopefully they didn't just go in not actually caring that much about the game, that would suck Probably some may have screwed up; maybe a better directing from Wynn's sponsor team would have helped in that case to .., idk if saying "forced to get more involved with the game" would be fair, and I don't even know how that would be implemented on the sponsors, but, yeah. I think some did it well, though mainly refering Eli's and Tyler's video because that's the only one I saw

[stone raft]

It might make the game too linear though ?

[prisma heart]

Hellcastle and Tyler were actually really involved with it. Like asking questions and talking on media discord as well.

[misty charm]

I watched like 1 or 2 vids and they literally just entered auburn speeding through the quests in a build the devs game them iirc 😭

[sick lark]

They could just make wynncraft like a disney ride, where you start on a minecraft and can’t get off of it until you reach the endgame. It takes you through everything in the game in the right order

[indigo condor]

btw do u know if the paid promotions were all done already? cause there was more youtubers than videos

[north void]

Am I dumb cuz I genuinely don't see how this would be helpful

[bleak bay]

i mean i really don’t see why paying people to make videos about the game is a bad idea. wynn already has enough organic growth. this “boost” was fine enough since it put wynn into people’s minds since a lot of veterans haven’t played since forever.

i don’t see any hate/negative comments that you mentioned. sure the videos could have been better but theyre more than fine enough

it was more or less a way to put wynn on people’s radar and if anything it worked

[misty charm]

Meh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXC6DrDPa54 this one has hate comments

[spiral nimbus]

The 'build' was just pretty much the beta opened a little bit earlier. However they actually started playing much further down the line, not in the media beta I think the speedrunning thing may just be their editing style, it's very fast paced; I feel like they also could have spent more time with the quests but the video is already 30 minutes long yknow ksjdnkjdf

[sick lark]

Btw guys play Raid Shadow lLegends, it’s a much better game than Wynncraft

[indigo condor]

so true

[bleak bay]

there is like one

[indigo condor]

i mean if you compare them as mmorpgs there's low comparison

[misty charm]

30 mins is alr long
Well ye its sad how ppl's attention spans are cooked now days by tiktok

[bleak bay]

this one isn’t even the biggest sponsorship they did like. and most of the complaints is just about them not disclosing it was a sponsorship

[frail sedge]

30 mins you could be spending playing wynncraft

[bleak bay]

https://youtu.be/k24Ji6YfY3o

[misty charm]

This one also has some https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhq9aoEEnu0

[sick lark]

Or Raid Shadow Legends!

[bleak bay]

can you just send screenshots of the comments

[spiral nimbus]

yeah. my goats. love em ❤️they were also quite involved in the story, though I dont know if it was talked about in the video, but Hellcastle and I were deeply simping and rooting for characters; I don't know if Tyler did too; but yeah, so they also didn't just skip the story and dialogue and stuff

[sick lark]

How much would they have to pay Olinus to become a shill for Raid Shadow Legends and take a dump on Wynn?

[misty charm]

Also just imagine ppl complaining wonncraft is buggy asf, i wont ss every comment

[spiral nimbus]

THIS IS TRUE, i would love a 2 horus video on Wynn ❤️, but I feel like that's a lot of work to put on them, and also maybe the contract had a specific amount of time the video had to last, idk

[bleak bay]

what is this complaint even saying

😭 this just the fanbase beinf salty the creator didn’t make a hsb video

[misty charm]

Interesting the guy havent posted in 2 weeks

Like did they really make "Why I Finally Quit Hypixel Skyblock for Wynncraft" for a sponsor vid 😂

[sick lark]

What happened to Monumenta? Wasn’t that a similar server blowing up like a year or two ago

[misty charm]

Wdym what happened to it

Its still exists and actively developed with players

[sick lark]

I dunno, haven’t heard of it in at least a year

[prisma heart]

Monumenta is still around.

[misty charm]

Ppl in this thread were yearning for monumenta celestial zenith earlier 🔥

Surely the dungeons/forgery rework will bring it to wonncraft

[spiral nimbus]

monumenta is definitely my top 2 right before Wynn, I'm pretty sure it's still going strong!!
personally I just stopped playing just because I had to do like 92 quests of R1 to continue R3, ithink I also had to do that one R1 dungeon that has a timer but i suck too much at the game so I could never beat it and got stuck forever

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526631273142419456/1436584107080421508/fungberto.webp

[prisma heart]

Was it even sponsored? If it was, then you’d usually see something about a creator code or a custom IP (example: gamer.wynncraft.com).

[misty charm]

Skill issue 😭

Ngl i think monumenta is better

[spiral nimbus]

I MEAN I'M NOT DENYING IT I'M LITERALLY JUST BAD

[prisma heart]

Also two weeks is pretty typical for an upload schedule.

[spiral nimbus]

I love Monu, I just can't do that one dungeon so I can't continue with R3 SKDJGNDKFH

[misty charm]

You dont need to do ephemeral corridors for r3 progression or atleast i dont think

[spiral nimbus]

fair enough, the gameplay feels really really good, it's definitely different from what Wynn aims for though, and definitely way harder too

[misty charm]

Thats why i like it, a real challenge and just more engaging combat with rougelites (which ppl yearn for here)

[spiral nimbus]

I think you do!! It was some quest in R1 that had a required completion to start it, and that one quest was also required to continue with R3

i also generally just despise R1 quests so I really don't wanna do the 3252390 i'm required to do

[indigo condor]

afaik about monumenta, it's too niche to appeal to the normal minecraft community

[misty charm]

More like opposite.. ? Like its more similar to vanilla than wonncraft

[bleak bay]

i don’t know I just don’t understand why people don’t want sponsored videos of wynncraft especially reaching out to the broader community not just hsb

[misty charm]

Also dont forget its an mmo even tho it doesnt have that many players, u can just ask others for help

[bleak bay]

we saw that winsweep that minecraft modder make a video sponsored by wynn

[spiral nimbus]

I think if they rework R1, which is like, arguably the worst part of Monumenta, it'll go super well. It took me like a year or something to finally get past R1 and that's why I kept quitting. If they make it better, there would definitely be way more players because they would actually be able to see how good the server can get

[misty charm]

Doesn't feel like a genuine experience, especially since they just upload a single video

[bleak bay]

i mean that’s just the issue it isn’t supposed to be a genuine experience

it’s supposed to be outreach

[misty charm]

:/

[spiral nimbus]

True!! I definitely agree and can see why. Monu's combat is great; I prefer Wynn's but I can totally see why other people may like Monu's more

[bleak bay]

okay like how many people watch wynn videos

barely any compared to hsb/modding whatever community

[spiral nimbus]

YEAH BUT IM STUPID AND SHY so i will rather DIE and never play again than ask for help, Monumenta's community is SUPER nice so I know they'll help but it just feels like i'm inconveniencing people idk

[bleak bay]

of course it isn’t going to be genuine because like there just isn’t incentive to make any wynn videos

they simply just don’t get views like other content

[indigo condor]

ngl i need to give that server a shot

[misty charm]

I mean like i dont really watch content creators who do it for money and the sake of content creating

[spiral nimbus]

i think the problem is just that there aren't too many super good Wynn videos,,,,,,,,,,
i like eli's and tyler's video on it (totally unbiased of course yes), I also really enjoy that one person that does like, "I tried (archetype) to see if it's any good", and that one person who did like an essay on why professions suck. but, idk, there just isn't super well done content on Wynn sadly

[echo spindle]

r1 is a grueling experience

on purpose

the first few dungeons are intentionally like horrid for new players

[spiral nimbus]

yeah. it's very sad. kinda like FFXIV, it sucks for so long but then it gets sooo awesome i promise for real for real

[echo spindle]

it’s supposed to be a filter

[bleak bay]

that’s fine but if you want outreach which was the entire point of this campaign which was done in a. good way (they weren’t paid to be shilling wynncraft it was just you had to make a video ABOUT wynncraft is the vibe im getting) it was a good campaign i don’t see any problems with it

[spiral nimbus]

i do not think it's on prupose,,,,,,,,,,,

[echo spindle]

no it is 😭

[outer sphinx]

That’s what the oceans for, imo. It’s also just a standard story format for MMO’s, which don’t generally take the open world format for their storyline. That’s what exploration is for, too

[misty charm]

Ppl also dont like the idea of bedrock for outreach cuz of the playerbase 🔥 , i think its similar for like hsb

[echo spindle]

they’ve said it on multiple occasions white will never be made easier because it’s meant to teach you how tough monu can be

[indigo condor]

THEY AIMED it at someone who's not interested into playing an mmorpg

[echo spindle]

and i think 90% of players quit on or before white

[bleak bay]

?

[outer sphinx]

Not to mention that we’d still have the Corkus + Gavel combo, which makes way more sense than Wynn Gavel Corkus all wrapped together

[echo spindle]

it’s ok tho cuz the rest of the game is so much harder if u can’t make it past white u are supremely fucked

[indigo condor]

hbs players do not play mmorpgs

[bleak bay]

when did bedrock come into question none of the content creators sponsored were bedrock players

[misty charm]

I saw a comment in 1 of the vids: "Story? Im off bro"

[indigo condor]

on average, the only people who do are also interested into other games

[misty charm]

On the topic of outreach

[echo spindle]

i think hsb players would be wowed by raids

most of the former hsb players i know are raiders

[indigo condor]

if you ask the average skyblock endgamer what they think about wynncraft, their opinion about it actually worsened

[bleak bay]

hsb audience overlaps onto wynn like it or not a decent chunk of hsb player base has tried or has quit skyblock and now actively plays wynn

[echo spindle]

yea and they’re all raiders

[bleak bay]

they don’t think worse about wynncraft. they just don’t like that type of gameplay and it’s fine

[misty charm]

Quitting hsb to prof in wonncraft instead 💡

[indigo condor]

the other 80% would actually argue that wynncraft has worse content than hbs

i'm not even kidding

[bleak bay]

so what it doesn’t ruin wynns reputation in any sense what is your point

[echo spindle]

if ur talking pure grind yes wynn grind sucks comparatively

[outer sphinx]

Also, idk if anyone shared this sentiment, but Gavel’s initial release format is what the ocean should be. An area you visit/ping pong back and forth from, experiencing a myriad of side content, with a single smaller storyline to connect it

[indigo condor]

they felt like it was a way to put them off skyblock (ridicolous btw)

[echo spindle]

like if u wanna do mindless tasks wynn def has worse mindless tasks to do 😭

[misty charm]

Sure, sounds good

[outer sphinx]

Gavel needed to be Wynn 2: Electric Boogaloo

[spiral nimbus]

that's dumb though. The thing is that it is not hard, it's boring, extremely boring there is a difference. Why would you want your game to be stopped playing by 95% of the people who try it? That's definitely not what they were going for, it's just outdated. I'm pretty sure R1 rework is planned for that reason

[outer sphinx]

Or, Fruma 0.5

[echo spindle]

i mean they’ve stated outright that it is the reason

[spiral nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/ъъъ-ььь-твердый-gif-4586402441308420405

they did,,,,,,??????? monumenta team i love you but wtf

[echo spindle]

in monumenta constructive feedback equivalent that is always the response to “make white easier”

[spiral nimbus]

ooh, but that's a different thing though

[echo spindle]

i do think r1 quests are a slog tho

outdated and r3 is like fruma equivalent

if they announced r3 and then sponsored wynntubers to play and then they played r1 i would never join ✌️😭

[spiral nimbus]

it can be hard, just,,, not super boring,,,,, though I think most dungeons are somewhat alright in those terms. it's just everything else, specially the quests, that suck

[misty charm]

Could say the same about wonncraft 🔥

I mean ik games that ppl say its their fav but admit its a slog in the start

[elder oxide]

Mommymenta </3

[outer sphinx]

Some of these Wynntubers need to be handed a list of level capped bosses they need to complete to showcase the damn game

[spiral nimbus]

Wynn has gotten reworks for the first quests and many others though! It's not been left outdated like Monu

[outer sphinx]

I think one of em went to Durum, but the rest just picked they noses and wiggled they toeses

[misty charm]

Tbh idk cuz i havent played in a long time but they were revamping r1 when i last played

[echo spindle]

r3 is so so good tho

[spiral nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/fabulous-beasts-hetao-you-shou-yan-有兽焉-box-gif-9612030140078175591

[echo spindle]

r3 is just so pretty

[spiral nimbus]

HUZAH!!!

[echo spindle]

and the gameplay is so fun

[misty charm]

Are u saying exploring the jungle and finding kaul arena not pretty?

[echo spindle]

u should bite the bullet and dot he quests 😭

[spiral nimbus]

r3 does look really good, i wish i could try it,, ,,,,

[echo spindle]

u can skip it btw

and just go straight to r3

[spiral nimbus]

I CANT THIS DUNGEON IS TOO HARD I SUCK TOO MUCH

[misty charm]

Btw ye u can fast track to r3

[echo spindle]

err which one

[indigo condor]

fallen factory incident (?)

[echo spindle]

is it ec i used to have a wr in it i could probably help u thru it

[misty charm]

Unless they added another rogue in the last year, its EC

[spiral nimbus]

Yes, but doing the R1 quests is needed for the R3 ones sdjkgndfh and those ones are acutally kinda fun so like

[echo spindle]

i’d have to like remmeber the rooms which might be a challenge cuz i low key do not remember

[misty charm]

Which jolly developer designed ephemeral corridors, these corridors are so jolly and filled with christmas decorations, i hope your whole family gets a lot of presents 🎅

[echo spindle]

i kinda like ec ☹️

[misty charm]

I mean its pretty meh

[echo spindle]

i like r1 dungeons in general

except magenta

[misty charm]

Like dd/cz is so much better upgrade

[spiral nimbus]

YEAH i think it's Ephimeral Corridors skjgndfh
AND THANK YOU,,, id ont know if I'd like to bother you with that too much, i also don't remmeber antyhing about Monumenta gameplay so i may suck and make you be stuck forever with me too,

[echo spindle]

i actually don’t like dd/cz gameplay 💔

[echo spindle]

that is ok

[misty charm]

Well i dont like r1 gameplay

[echo spindle]

i actually like r1 more than r2

[misty charm]

Crazy

[echo spindle]

i hate the mob design in r2

everything including u is made of paper

anyways i think discussion too derailed wups

[spiral nimbus]

wait true sorryKJNGDFH

[prisma heart]

Uber derailment holy.

[spiral nimbus]

point is, subscribe to hellcastle and tyler

[outer sphinx]

Monumenta doesn’t seem all too complicated, what’s the appeal

[echo spindle]

difficult game

[misty charm]

wat

[prisma heart]

Sub to GamerPerson.

[outer sphinx]

It just looks like vanilla MC combat, what’s the difficulty coming from

[echo spindle]

when it stops being vanilla (r2-3）

[echo spindle]

sub to me

[outer sphinx]

I’m watching a cradle of the broken god stream, and it doesn’t look like it’s any different from some 1.12.2 mc map

[echo spindle]

no but the class system is rly cool

[spiral nimbus]

To be fair it isn't as custom or complicated as Wynn! but it is definitely way more than vanilla combat. it just feels nice idk

[outer sphinx]

I see the appeal, but I was just expecting more. Feels like a weirdly nostalgic concept, too

[visual pendant]

sounds like wynncraft needs an iceberg video

[outer sphinx]

It got one, but it needs another one

[visual pendant]

or 20 of them

[robust holly]

use code Wintel

[outer sphinx]

We need Jolly Posting to be on there

[thorn geyser]

Honestly I feel like the Durum or Rymek Luke Boss altar or should be the one introduced in a quest and not the jungle one which kind of sucks

[outer sphinx]

Anti feedback, “you must be aware of those who can’t play at the same level, like people with autism”, the Grian villager, etc

[sick lark]

He’s your sub now

[outer sphinx]

The problem is that the jungle one shouldn’t suck, and also Haros should do that

Actually, anyone got any ideas for some iceberg prompts?

Cause I wasn’t around for any forums stuff until 1.17

[thorn geyser]

The old powder system and Peppered’s grave maybe

[outer sphinx]

Class skin armors, too

[thorn geyser]

Yeah

[outer sphinx]

Jumble, that one melon, what else

[thorn geyser]

Also Mama Zomble and some of the removed quests

[misty charm]

That one melon? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[outer sphinx]

Oh, yeah, some old craftsman quests could work

[outer sphinx]

I forgot their name, brotato

[thorn geyser]

Also some of the removed holiday quests

[misty charm]

Is it the? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[outer sphinx]

Avalanche mini game

[outer sphinx]

They vaguely resemble that, ye lol

[thorn geyser]

Yeah
And Wizard Tower

[outer sphinx]

What would the bottom of the iceberg even be

[thorn geyser]

Probably some old ass features

Like the fact that you used to have to draw back a bow to fire it

[outer sphinx]

That’s not all that obscure, though

I was thinking stuff like the proposed item change update

[misty charm]

Whats the most obscure oldest thing i wonder 🤔

[thorn geyser]

That’s true tbh
I’m mostly thinking of like what a new player would know

[outer sphinx]

I think a new player would naturally assume it, after some deductions and surface level knowledge on when the game came out

Skin armor is more obscure to a new player, imo

[thorn geyser]

I mean I feel like that one’s not too too obscure
Maybe some of the islands? Like the old druid dude

[outer sphinx]

That islands pretty obscure, but I wouldn’t make it bottom

[visual pendant]

if you think about it deathstreeks lwk the viprin of hypixel

[outer sphinx]

Actually, how documented is old Wynn?

[thorn geyser]

Fair
I wonder if jpresent counts as obscure enough at this point

[outer sphinx]

I feel like so much of it is lost, and a lot of it could end up as a good pick for bottom spot

[thorn geyser]

Or the Jumla coffee meme

[outer sphinx]

Jumla coffee meme is definitely forgotten by basically everyone

[misty charm]

[outer sphinx]

I don’t even remember what it was anymore

[misty charm]

What was it? Pouring coffee on the servers?

[outer sphinx]

That one video of Wynncraft ban appeals could appear pretty low

[thorn geyser]

On 9/7/15 there was a forum wipe that was jokingly blamed on Jumla spilling his coffee

Also I feel like Featured Wynncraftian might count

[misty charm]

I dont know most of the shit mentioned so far but ik this one lol

[outer sphinx]

Oh, yeah, there was an old forums post that had a ton of memes and old references on there

You could probably find a lot of good contenders on there

[thorn geyser]

Yeah

Shame most of the images are gone

[outer sphinx]

Wynn media lost to the annals of herstory

[thorn geyser]

Yeah
You could probably do one on the old mod revolt if you can actually get anyone to remember what it was about

[outer sphinx]

Bru roh

I am one of those who do not remember

[thorn geyser]

I know @arctic schooner quit being a mod along with a few others way back when over the server’s poor handling of something
Dunno what it was though

Oh yeah there’s also the April fools squid pet

That one’s pretty obscure

[outer sphinx]

Squiggles is common knowledge ngl

Oh! The SE leak could totally work as a good low level iceberg spot

That and that one sword guy

I’ve completely forgotten their name, but they leaked some stuff around 1.19.4, or 1.20

[thorn geyser]

the sword guy?

[tough slate]

The str dex situation of 2021

[thorn geyser]

like the secret discovery dude?

[tough slate]

That broke the game for a week

[thorn geyser]

that's what they quit over? damn I forgot about that

[outer sphinx]

Nah, an actual dude

They had sword in their name, but I cannot for the life of me remember their username

[echo spindle]

that was not why they quit 😭

[tough slate]

Wasn’t it

[echo spindle]

with the fish had a super duper crashout over the management of the game & why its not worth ur time

[tough slate]

It was so so badly rolled out I distinctly remember multiple mods and ct resigning in protest because of just how bad it was

[rain spindle]

well you remember wrong

[thorn geyser]

WTF

[echo spindle]

gg

[prisma heart]

Wasn't the str dex thing (hotfix 6) like a day or smth?

[thorn geyser]

Salted what do you think is the most obscure part of the game

[echo spindle]

yeah and it was like noted in the patch notes that it was experiemental and would be addressed sooner or later iirc

[tough slate]

Oh I thought it was related

Cause it was around the exact same time in my mind

[echo spindle]

idk its gotten a lot better from where wynn was in like 1.20

guy cam eback to review the game so like pretty obviously something good has happened

[tough slate]

Oh I agree much better

[rain spindle]

anyway ive been reading this thread for a long while now, y'all sure love talking lmao. i made a list while reading of a few things i wanna point out:

• The MC community is extremely segregated. Sponsoring just any MC creators isn't enough, you need to target Java MC Players specifically, which is the smallest group. Which creators are the most likely to hit the right demographics? That's right, HSB creators.
• "Views" aren't the same just because they have the same name, 10k views from wynncraft players vs 10k views from non-wynncraft players have very different results and both are important for different reasons
• We did sponsor Wynntubers as well! We've given access to many to creator codes which do extremely well with wynntubers since their fanbase are all wynncraft players. We've spent just as much money on existing Wynntubers as we did with sponsorships with new youtubers.
• We're doing this at the same time as the Fruma Expansion because marketing has a multiplicative effect. Hearing about Wynncraft once per 3 months or so might not be enough to motivate you to try it, but hearing about it 10 times in a week will (on average).
• Youtubers aren't marionette we can control at will, they have their own ideas and goals. We did warn that regular lets play tend to do poorly, but some people still prefer doing that type of content. Additionally, the best kind of videos are generally the ones that take longer to make and some aren't out yet still. In the end, we don't want to control their content, they usually know what works the best for their channel.
• Sponsoring creators through youtube doesn't just bring new players to Wynncraft, it brings new youtube-viewers to Wynncraft as well. Over the long-term, at least a few 🤏 of those viewers will become true wynncraft players and this will trickle down to them watching regular wynntubers. It just takes a long time and the effect is very hard to notice.
• Promoting MC servers is very rough, especially at our scale. I won't dive into the shenanigans of the MC server business, but there aren't many workable methods, and it's a big reason why new servers struggle to sustain themselves.
• Lastly, I'm not even sure why some people here consider this a failure to begin with. Does a few negative comments overwrites the many positive comments? From our side, we see this as a success. Some videos didn't do well, but some others did and we see overall good engagements. We didn't expect a huge hit that changes everything.
• Ye y'all are right, we do need better creator tools and systems to help creators and streamers, that's been on our radar for a while but we haven't had the time with Fruma in the way. We did tell Wynntubers that we were planning some improvements some months ago.
• Ye we need to improve some parts of the game that didnt age well too, though at this point it's not relevant to just creator promotions, it'd be good just for the game itself!

[echo spindle]

i agree tbh i think it was a good move in general but like 🥀 the first impressions were scuffed at least

[rain spindle]

yea the lag on release was unfortunate

[echo spindle]

its just unfortunate, hopefully ppl will give a second chance

[rain spindle]

thankfully these will have long-term effects too

videos stay on youtube for many years too!

[thorn geyser]

That's fair but you still haven't answered my question on the most obscure thing about wynn
Also I do think that maybe delaying the sponsored videos by a couple days might help a lot just because the bugs and lag on release were not great and the game even a couple days later with the first few patches was a lot more playable

[tough slate]

What do you think about maybe reaching out to some of the MMO crowd? Many may get turned off by the Minecraft aspect (iirc there was one who recently made a video saying that he didn’t want wynncraft to mess up his audience base because of some YouTube algo shenanigans) but some might expose wynn to a new audience if they end up trying it and making videos on it

[prisma heart]

I don't think you can outright just delay other people's videos. Kinda fucks with scheduling, and most people want to get a video out before moving onto the next.

[thorn geyser]

That's fair tbh
I guess I mean more staggering but it's also true that yters kind of have a release cadence they gotta stick to

[misty charm]

No fucking way there are more bedrock mc creators 😭

It must be brainrot for kids

[thorn geyser]

There are a decent amount tbh but they skew younger

Most of us on the forums are just uncs at this point

[rain spindle]

more bedrock players

[echo spindle]

salted ive heard from one of my up and coming youtuber friends that he is not happy with the video requirement

[misty charm]

Why does that matter?

[echo spindle]

like he puts a lot of effort into video editing and like having that 10 video requirement for a channel that is purely dedicated to wynn was very disheartening to him

[outer sphinx]

I’m glad it’s recognized internally that Wynn isn’t just reaching to the MC crowd, but specifically Java’s crowd. So, not only are you limited by being forced to MC, but you’re also completely exempt from the more profitable playerbase in bedrock, which literally makes it next to impossible to sustain any notable number of viewership.

Not all bad, ofc, because it also builds a more tight knit community of people with greater interests, but it just can’t reach the way it needs to—and honestly should.

[prisma heart]

Bedrock community is massive, since it's everything not on a specific PC version.

[rain spindle]

we're too hard to access from scratch. to get there, you need a pc, you need a MS account, you need minecraft java specifically, you need to like mmo, and then you need to like wynncraft

every steps reduces the chances of conversions

[echo spindle]

think hes on video 3? and each of his videos takes weeks and weeks to actually finish, i know he puts in like 20+ hours per video

he was complaingin to me that it feels like the requirement is like pushing him to do slop content which is not something he wnats to do

[rain spindle]

java players are more profitable, but its a minuscule size in terms of raw amount of players

[echo spindle]

i know his first video took him upwards of a month of pretty focused effort (4-6 hours daily)

[outer sphinx]

I figured bedrocks greater number of impressionable people (children ) plus the myriad of microtransactions and silly shit made it easier to reach people (kids )

[echo spindle]

i know its policy, but i was hoping it was something youd reconsider on a case-by-case basis

[tough slate]

Yea that’s totally fair, there’s some games I’ve wanted to try that I ended up not because of too many onboarding steps (many of which are not wynn related)

[rain spindle]

kids really dont spend as much as some people would make you believe

[echo spindle]

like comparitively every single video of his has gone like triple platinum for a youtube channel that literally started from nothing

[prisma heart]

There's also the fact that a lot of Java players are the two-week Minecraft phase people.

[echo spindle]

not a single video under 10k views it just feels like effort isnt rewarded 🥀

[rain spindle]

like people love to claim kids steal their parent's cc and buy crazy amount of stuff, but it just isn't an actual problem at all at scale. its quite rare for this to happen

[outer sphinx]

But there are objectively more of em that can spend time on Wynn, is what I’m saying. That would at least get the algorithm pulling them towards Wynn, and potentially build a greater audience by just viewership

I don’t think kids are the actual money makers, but I do believe that their views have a major effect on the algorithm, which inherently influences profits later on

[rain spindle]

there's definitely a lot of them ye, we may need to get wynn on bedrock to reach them tho

cause im not sure they would be watching a lot of wynn videos without playing

[echo spindle]

🥀

[outer sphinx]

A horrifying idea, as I’ve heard. I wouldn’t wish the conversion on any one of you

[tough slate]

Gotta appeal to the sweet spot of people with their first job and no living expenses 🔥 🔥

[thorn geyser]

Honestly probably easier to get it onto Hytale lmao

[outer sphinx]

College children… perfect 👹

[outer sphinx]

Probably easier to just make your own game atp

[gleaming matrix]

I'm also just gonna say this : The fact that Wynncraft is still alive and doing as well as it is more then a decade later shows that something right has been done

Both in terms of general public interest and server management

[prisma heart]

A lot of people that do watch Wynn content, at least from what I can tell, is usually returning players or people who're already well into the game.

By well into the game I mean usually Silent Expanse or further.

[echo spindle]

tbh i see a lot of new players in wintel's streams

[outer sphinx]

It’s alive because it’s literally the only kind of experience I’ve ever seen in an MMO. When has anyone ever seen smash style combo system movement heavy spell mechanics incorporated into an open world MMORPG

[thorn geyser]

It's a good game
It spreads a decent amount through WOM in the Minecraft Community
Like
Even if most hypixel skyblockers hate the game on principle they've at least heard of it which is more than I can say for a lot of servers

[echo spindle]

a few pop in and ask waht the hell is going on

[tough slate]

The way I see wynn rn is that is doesn’t have much reach but a lot of the players it can reach end up coming back every major update (im players)

[outer sphinx]

Wynn is a marvel in design, and would literally destroy every other MMO, if it was an actual game

[rain spindle]

yeaaa i dont like saying that in public too much because i feel like itll piss some people off, but in the end we have been (nearly) the only server that has somewhat grown since covid instead of dying off

[gleaming matrix]

Ok that is genuinely fantastic

[echo spindle]

salted please think about media reqs 🥀

[rain spindle]

once you're a wynn player you're always a wynn player in a way

[thorn geyser]

Poor, poor Mineplex
Also what happened to other servers in COVID? Like, you'd think the pandemic would be a boon for them since most games got a playercount boost, but a lot of them just kinda died instead

[misty charm]

Ye like wtf

[echo spindle]

the constnat cashflow stopped

[prisma heart]

Hypixel didn't have many succesful projects after skyblock and the updates slowed down for hsb in general.

[rain spindle]

i cant know 100% unfortunately, but i think a lot of them thought the boost was going to be the new normal, and didnt adapt to try to maintain their players better

[echo spindle]

covid was like a huge era of spending on online stuff

[outer sphinx]

also, idk if a lot of people think about this, but look at what makes Wynn Wynn. The item system, the spells, the movement potential, the atmospheric, bouncy, fun music, the simplistic nature of its storyline, despite having compelling characters, and the boss designs. It all takes so much from so many awesome concepts, and it pushes itself to be the most unique MMO I’ve ever played, rivaling shit like Destiny 2 in terms of playability and combat.

[frail sedge]

item mobs. shut like galaxy piercer on emerald trail

[tough slate]

Most of them died off slowly, at least famous ones like Hive and Mineplex

[echo spindle]

waterwheel bearing

[outer sphinx]

Completely forgot about this

[tough slate]

Shotbow too but it was already dying before covid (shotbow is still around but very diminished)

[rain spindle]

for my part, in late 2020 i realised this boost was coming to an end and we had to take endgame more seriously and we've focused more on there since

[echo spindle]

🥀

[thorn geyser]

Yeah that makes sense to me tbh
Same thing happened in the wider industry, hence all the layoffs post pandemic

[proven wedge]

mainly just stagnation, too much control c control v sky block, prison, survival. The issue with that is there can only be so many servers that all aim to do the same thing.

wynncraft being its own game is really cool and definitely the reason its maintained its relevance

[prisma heart]

Paid off tbh, since lootruns and forgery were actual cancer before.

[tough slate]

Hypixel ended up getting a monopoly in the variety minigames niche

[rain spindle]

forgery still is lmao

[tough slate]

John D Rockefeller horizontal integration type shit

[echo spindle]

at least its not forced anymore

[prisma heart]

You're not wrong.

[outer sphinx]

Forgery 😔

[echo spindle]

theres a real way to l;eveling other than exploiting forgery

[prisma heart]

But yeah it isn't the only endgame combat content.

[outer sphinx]

Fartgery more like

[rain spindle]

well we still plan to keep adding more endgame stuff so one day maybe wynn will finally be good

[prisma heart]

Now I have the option to beat up a worm, a dog, a rock, a skeleton, and a moth.

[outer sphinx]

You can’t say that, I’ve been AFK in espren, and it’s been the absolute greatest endgame experience I’ve ever had

[thorn geyser]

Any hints on what the plans are?

[prisma heart]

Obviously snake pet.

[echo spindle]

wastelands

bloomi soon