Show the current number of players in queue in Partyfinder

[rugged cosmos]

IN ADDITION TO THE CURRENT SYSTEM

Right now the only way to tell how fast the queue for a Raid or Mini-game (or, God forbid, Forgery) are the very vague "Very Fast", "Fast", etc., which really don't tell much.

Depending on the Raid and it's Weekly Lootpool, the queue times will vary even if the Spotifynder shows same queue lengths. The "Very Fast" in NotG means 5 seconds queue, while the same "Very Fast" in TWTP can be up to 10 minutes.

Showing the actual number of players in queue will make lives easier, especially for people who don't have a preferred Raid and instead just want to start the next match the fastest.

There already is a system, where the Spotifynder will occasionally call out nearby players, when a Raid has 3 out of 4 players in queue, so I don't see an issue with showing that information at all times.

P.S. You can debunk my theory, but if I had to guess - if many players queue for a Raid, then unready shortly after, the game will still consider the Raid to have high traffic, which vastly inflates the real predicted queue length.

NotG, ONoL, TCC, TNLA, TWTP

[tame shadow]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1374537802930196642

[calm berry]

spotifynder

[broken sigil]

This is not a good system because most of the time, party finder has 0 players on it, which gives the false impression that no one is using party finder.

The current system is better because it displays the speed based on the number of parties created in the past x minutes.

If this idea would be implemented, it should be implemented alongside the current system, and not as a replacement to it

[rugged cosmos]

Ah fuck should I delete and remake it a month later for the anniversary

[pure snow]

That is true! I think a better solution could be that in the waiting GUI it could fill out the players that are "joining your party", per se. Usually it's just empty if you are not in a party with anyone, and it just leaves like 3 player spots empty, instead it could progressively fill up as more players queue up. So you at least know that there's other people waiting alongside you,,, if that makes any sense, I don't know how to explain it

[faint ferry]

i remember them saying that it was not intended to show the current players so they removed it.

but i think its kinda silly to remove a good feature just because its not intended

[agile trout]

you can already tell if a queue has 0 players in it (it wont show up on main page)

[tropic totem]

Battle of the bonfire 9/10 players

[rugged cosmos]

They should up the player number to 11

Battle of the bonfire 9/11 players

[surreal hinge]

No idea why this was removed

[summer elbow]

A party finder rework is planned... (A unified one)

[fallen dagger]

Yeah I really fucking like when 26 minutes is defined as fast

I could do almost 4 raids during that waiting time

[junior jungle]

“Join the Nexus of light queues with 3 players” begs to differ

mfw text popup when near pfinder npcs

[keen jacinth]

This has been answered by us quite a lot of times in the past, but this wouldn't do what you're thinking it would do. The estimate given is the best possible thing that we can and should show and is based on the real amount of matches that have been happening recently.

The data that you're asking for wouldn't be informative and it would likely discourage you from entering the queue at all.

This is because unlike a typical matchmaker that you're used to, raid matches are not made with any specific metric like most other games. We don't have ELO or any statistics about the players that go into making the match.

This means that as soon as there are 4 players in the queue they are removed from the queue and put into the match. This would mean that the number you're asking for would be at 0 a huge amount of the time and discourage you from joining becaue you'd think "huh theres nobody playing tna right now"

[agile trout]

We already know when a raid has 0 people queued, the symbol disappears from the main page of pfinder

If theres people split between multiple raid pfs, you can see all the raids that have people in queue, but it would be incredibly helpful to see at a glance which ones are 2-3 people vs 1

Saying that this data is uninformative is ridiculous

[keen jacinth]

I wasn't aware that it filtered out the ones where the queue was completely empty! I still firmly believe that it displaying "1 player" or "2 players" is far less valuable than the time estimate that we provide and again because of how most people think matchmakers work from other games would dissuade people from joining at all because it will be misinterpreted as a "how many people are playing this raid right now" counter

[junior jungle]

yeah theres several times where you have to go into the menu at the bottom to queue a raid

[agile trout]

I simply find it out of place, as the partyfinder is introduced as a place to find open parties (you get the purpose of the party, and the player count)

Raid queues are meant to just be an automated way of forming parties, it would be more fitting for the tooltip to say "2/4" (or "2 queued" for cases of 5+ queued, like it used to) in a similar manner to how the rest of pf works

If the intention of obscuring queue count is to make it "feel like a real matchmaker" to new players, it doesnt work

[keen jacinth]

it wasn't meant to be shown for years and was removed specifically because it confused people!

the time estimate will always be the most accurate information for you to have

[agile trout]

Speaking from experience, the time estimate is very useless

Even the poster already brought that up

[junior jungle]

Wait but why does it say “join orohions nezus of light! There are 3 players in queue”

thats an indicator of people in queue that is “supposedly removed”

[agile trout]

Im not going to continue this argument but i can share my bias real quick here

[junior jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1302601977636585515/1483403133215572018/haul.gif

[agile trout]

Hotfix 2.2.0_26:
Party finder now says "Join the very fast Nest of the Grootslangs queue" instead of playercount

[junior jungle]

bold of you to assume there would be changelogs

[agile trout]

ALL 5 RAIDS on the main pf page even with 0 people ✍️ 🔥

[pure snow]

Idk, i still think it could just show 3 empty slots when you press "Ready", and they get filled depending on how many more players are queuing up with you. Whenever another person queues up for your future party, the slot gets filled. It doesn't give you a number or anything, it just shows you how mnay people until your party is full and ready visually. Unless I'm just dumb, I don't see why this would cause an issue,,,,,

[tame shadow]

cant wait to queue with 9 other players into nol as a duo, only to wait 10 minutes to join the raid because it's 3 trios

[keen jacinth]

It is by definition the most accurate metric. I literally described how its calculated above. Its more likely that you just notice more when you get an inaccurate time estimate and remember it while not considering the many times it is accurate

[agile trout]

What do you MEAN you described how it's calculated above?
All you said it's "based on the number of real matches recently"

To be honest i don't really care how you calculate it, it remains unhelpful

[summer elbow]

If an activity is 2 or 3/4 people are more likely to join then when its 1/4

[fluid phoenix]

I just wish it was a bit more accurate/precise, because "Very fast" ranging all the way from instant to like 10 minutes makes it not much of an indicator

[fallen dagger]

its not at all

[keen jacinth]

It's literally based on how active that raid queue is at the moment by using the real matches that have been made recently

There is no better way of knowing

[fallen dagger]

Yeah cool but i wouldnt classify 26 minutes of waiting as fast

[agile trout]

Even if it was an accurate measure of wait time, it doesnt matter

Im trying to check if a raid is 2-3/4 in the partyfinder at a glance, not if multiple teams have queued recently