#the new update feels like a visual downgrade

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fallen crater
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items 2.0 feels like a seizure, its overcrowded and generally harder to read
the new damage font looks odd and out of place
and having been playing a lot of boltslinger it just got downgraded in like 3 main ways:

  • the old arrow bomb particles are now like 5 frames of high res explosions, which are noticably very low frame rate, and a design with this resolution just completly loses the mc mmorpg vibe
  • the new ga models are now a downgrade, we lost our cute slick winged crossbows for a bulky design that overlaps with itself (if 4 ga) and has animated shots? but it just looks like its wobbling
  • snow storm.

on the upside of things the new quest dialogs are gorgeous but for the most part wynncraft lost some of its charm for me i would like to see the many of the vfx stuff be reverted to particles tbh but thats never happening unfortunately, ik there are visual downgrades on other archtypes too but i havent touched them much, i HAVE seen the new shaman melee... yikes... at least sharpshooter looks good

the conclusion to this- please please change the fonts on damage and items and go back to vertical on the skill points, and a lot of the vfx need to be rethought in the context of actual gameplay experience

plush pasture
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On the ui its mainly the font

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Its so bad yea

fallen oasis
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i prefer the partcles and sound of the old spin ngl

fallen crater
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its hard to me to pinpoint what i liked more about a lot of the particle stuff but if i had to guess, it just felt like i was playing minecraft

shut sand
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the skill icons dont have to be so large as it is

fallen oasis
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yeah i mean if you have a mod you can make it look like this which is inbetween the old and current item looks

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shut sand
vague tartan
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however i wish they just did percentages rather than a wheel

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its much more precise

fallen oasis
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idk i dont like how they taken almost everything away related to particles and turn it into vfx

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except flaming tongue ✊

fallen crater
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flaming tongue looks shit though!

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we just didn’t use it because masks

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i always hated how that ability looked

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i would love if they redid flaming tongue… ideally with particles but i’d imagine it would be vfx when they do it

fallen oasis
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i like how it looks ngl

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it gives a distinct helix pattern

echo token
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Most of the bad vfx stem from aoe abilities, stuff like the ss ray translated really well

fallen oasis
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phantom ray looks too static

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i can see the idea tho

fallen crater
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it looks good imo

blissful scroll
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i love everything except the font, the font is so simple compared to the high definition it used to use that its hard for me to read sometimes

fallen crater
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the pattern can stay!

fallen oasis
fallen crater
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nah blood sorrow looked good

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vibe based

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beauty isn’t always logical

echo token
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Any of the vfx displayed on the ground is just visual pollution and unnecessary like totem radius+ec radius

fallen crater
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snow storm…

coral linden
echo token
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never used snow storm but that thing shouldn't even have a particle aoe display or anything

echo token
fallen oasis
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i dont like the blood sorrow fucking thingy on the ground

coral linden
fallen crater
echo token
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Blood sorrow being displayed below me literally tells me nothing about what it does just straight bullshit

fallen oasis
echo token
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I don't really like the emphasis on the radii it's way too much

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It's not a precise thing at all to be that visual

coral linden
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I think the font change is debatably worse but only because some people have a harder time reading it.
But the new UI and VFX are improvements. New UI is more unique and organized, and I don't have a huge text of lore underneath all my stats that stretch the weapon stats off-screen.
The new VFX are way more unique and easier to read than the old particles. I had a hard time telling how far my AOEs and totems reached with particles, mainly because they're small but also because they're not really distinct. The new vfx make it easier to tell.
I understand that not all of the vfx look great (multi-hit especially looks really stupid), but the particles beforehand didn't really look all too interesting anyways.
I do agree that sometimes they make too much visual noise (mainly spell spam), but the old particles were pretty huge too. I think now more people are complaining about it because they can't reduce the VFX the same way they could reduce particles. And you're never going to fully the visual noise if there are multiple playstyles centered around spamming spells.

echo token
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I mean ultimately the game's gonna be spell spam in a lot of contexts and if they're not gonna give us as much freedom as particles did with their settings as particles did it's borderline unplayability at times

coral linden
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Also, there's a resource pack that replaces the new font with the old one. To anyone who has trouble with the new font, does this look better?

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fallen crater
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it does look better 😳

if only the skill point requirements were back too

versed fractal
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the font is the biggest issue for me

echo token
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The icon skill points could just be a getting used to it sort of deal tbh I don't see why they should be worse

gentle arch
coral linden
gentle arch
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Thx

blissful scroll
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nevermind i did not scroll far down enough

brazen topaz
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the font thing is understandabole but everything else i think is just something we need to get used to

coarse musk
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item readability also got a lot worse by having the ID values be right aligned while the ID itself is on the left, legit made it exhausting to look at the new fruma items while trying to figure them out

fallen crater
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literally 5 fps 2d animation

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dumbing everything down to acquired taste is just cope

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most of this is my opinion but i think there are at least a few vfx that we can widely agree are shit

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like, take snowstorm for example that shit needs to get the hell away from my screen

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vfx in general being something that we need to get used to sure

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but a noticeable enough amount of them are just bad

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or unnescary visual clutter compared to whatever equivalent existed before

coarse musk
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like i feel like one of these requires my eyes to move around side to side far too much for literally zero reason while the other one has everything more compact 🤔

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and the visuals on bolt are such a downgrade it is hilarious

tardy sierra
tardy sierra
fallen crater
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simple isnt ugly

tardy sierra
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I actually like the new skill points, makes it easier to glance at if you know where each one is

coarse musk
tardy sierra
fallen crater
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thats up to the observer

coarse musk
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also i love having to press f to be able to even see the powders :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD instead of just having a single line of grayed out text at the bottom :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

tardy sierra
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I mean just based on graphic design principles
I'm no expert, but the new design is more "sound" per se

fallen crater
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idk i don’t have a graphic design degree but i wouldn’t call it more aesthetic personally

tardy sierra
solemn estuary
solemn estuary
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Because like, my pc is running hot to get the same frames it did before the update 😭 and I can feel the fps drops, especially in raids it's so laggy

coarse musk
# tardy sierra I mean just based on graphic design principles I'm no expert, but the new design...

you can try to argue for aesthetics but i tried to use the unmodded item layouts throughout my fruma playthrough while discovering the new items. I had to change back to the old one half way in because of how it genuinely made it exhausting and way harder to understand each item, like when looking at an item for the first time with this layout it makes it more difficult to ascertain what it does/gives you.

fallen oasis
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yeah idk why they added a pc spec requirement now to fruma

tardy sierra
solemn estuary
coarse musk
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i do not find it particularly fun having to swipe my eyes across the screen 20 times at every new item i find 😊 😊

solemn estuary
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It's honestly frustating when the new stuff isn't even all that cool looking (ie visual clutter, less visibility in team content, overall too few frames for some animations)

fallen oasis
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im having issues with too much packet being received as well

solemn estuary
analog dagger
random jetty
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the vfx explosions look so bad, and its not because the model its just the limitations of displays like that being either forced to be 2d or have way more displays to do anything 3d. like old explosions didnt block your site, moved in 3d, and still felt powerful but the news ones just look like spawning a png its just... whelming...
certain effects just work better with particles i dont think it needs to be one or the other most vfxs are an improvement but there are somethings particles can do better especially things that need to act on 3 dimensions while also keeping visibility, or even just things that need to feel responsive such as phantom ray

wintry lichen
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totem aura still needs to be changed

west robin
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I can understand disliking the new item ui but calling vfx a visual downgrade is crazy to me

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Some I certainly like more than others but on the whole vfx looks significantly better than particles imo

echo token
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They can only look better as a whole when they're translateable, as a whole they can't be good until the weak links are taken out as they're infinitely more debilitating than anything particles ever did

west robin
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Also wdym they can't look good as a whole if some are weaker do you know what "as a whole" means lmao

echo token
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Yeah that means the weak links can make the good parts null

coarse musk
west robin
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Just gangels and I guess bomb pretty much

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And fierce stomp lmao 💀

coarse musk
west robin
coarse musk
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old GA was objectively better, the new one is soulless

west robin
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What does soulless even mean in this context dawg

coarse musk
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snowstorm vfx is also horrendously intrusive

west robin
echo token
west robin
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And what are you "specially trained" in exactoy

coarse musk
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why do they overlap? (even has z-fighting)
why are the bolts disjointed from the crossbows?
where are the wings 😥

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west robin
sacred sequoia
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sadly i do suck at giving out ideas for this sort of thing so i don't think my opinion is very helpful Foxy_LaughKEKW idk, it just kind of feels like a pointing arrow instead of an actual attack?

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still looks cool but idk,

brazen topaz
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but idk if any changes will come of it

sacred sequoia
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Oooohh, I see!!! That would make sense! I hope they do get to change or enhance it, shadestepper needs more aura catLUL

maiden bridge
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some of the vfx (most of warrior and lightbender) looks absolutely fucking phenomenal and some of it just looks so mediocre or outright trash (aura and spin attack)

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also why did we decide to completely delete all vfx differences from reskins :D

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atleast change the description of reskins cuz its false advertising at this point

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also please change shaman totem and melee effects to red coloring when you take sac shrine and sanguine strike please

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red with the green and purple is kinda ugly

west robin
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different vfx for the reskins are planned

sinful plank
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and I agree with the ID values being further apart makes it harder to read, kinda like when youre reading a book and you skip a line, similar effect 😄

sinful plank
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I tried /toggle vfx medium (as low just makes them disappear) and it does make them more transparent but still really busy on screen

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I hope that they make LOW really transparent, and then add OFF instead as an additional option

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I feel like freezing sigil should not rotate, it should stay stagnant as the rotation really messes with me eyes

charred vigil
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The new font, ice snake, and blood boosted aura look weird but most look way better than particles imo

sacred sequoia
# maiden bridge some of the vfx (most of warrior and lightbender) looks absolutely fucking pheno...

YEAHHH i was going to mention that. Probably just because some were made first and such, like backstab, but spin attack can SURELY look prettier with how vital it is on the tree??? Or, idk, give it firey colors with the gunpowder node (i don't remember what it was called, bur it was something about extra damage on spin attack and fire themed i think?)

It is a lot to ask though, considering that it,,, works, I guess; but it could just really look SO much nicer, considering how well the CT did with most other VFX,,,vdhnfkskf

sinful plank
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sometimes its ok, sometimes its more busy than in t he picture

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also depends if youre on a flat surface or not

blissful crypt
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more visual clutter, less player driven options to hide them, way less performant and more overhead on creating new abilities / reworks.
Completely ignoring the visual identity the swap to vfx seems like a severe downgrade for me

hidden yacht
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Old took .1 second, new takes 2-3 seconds

dapper salmon
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i hae genuinely had like 10 second arrow storms

agile basalt
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I just hate the roll dials. Wynntills has existed for so long, just give us the actual %’s in game. Someone laid it out better for them and they still chose to use these dials

hidden yacht
west robin
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roll dials are fine for the base game imo, I can see %s being confusing or overwhelming cor new/casual players

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id you care about seeing percents you'll probably be using wynntils anyway tbh

hidden yacht
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Makes it less confusing for new players in some cases like saying "You should aim for 70% on Water Damage" on Lament for example. Then they might go "70% Wynntils or ?" And its just unecessarily confusing.

short plover
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Bro don't diss the shaman melee that shit is gorgeous

maiden bridge
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totem and melee colors are nice

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but like the second you put on acolyte and everything you do is red aside from those two

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its kinda gross looking

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also when they re add reskins PLEASE bring back swirly melee skyseer

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my fucking beloved i miss him so much

short plover
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yeah no reskins are a must

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and yeah the factr the green outline and attacks dont change for aco are such a missed opportunity

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they could make the attacks like smudges of blood or sum but no its just vague green magic

wintry lichen
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same with mage melee

maiden bridge
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i dont like that its a cube now tbh

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i much prefered the particle for shaman melee