What Went Right

[storm dock]

A sequel to #1490690432986779648, discussing all the positive new working features! MOUNTS, Lootruns, Quests, new Mythics! The Ascension System... Everything goes!

[glossy nova]

the quests are (mostly) rly good

from what I played atm, at least (all quests up to 112)

[storm dock]

Content quality is absolutely unmatched

[distant stone]

The music and its integration with quests is phenomenal as well

[storm dock]

I still can't decide what was my favorite quest

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YES, MUSIC COMPOSITIONS ARE UNIQUE

Music triggers were also improved a LOT. Played vanilla for a while, The Missing Piece is probably the best example of this

[misty jungle]

Music is fire, portraits are fire, abilities are good

[oblique garnet]

VFX look awesome by themselves too

[misty jungle]

Lore drop is fire for the most part (besides missing one person)

[storm dock]

The ability to toggle off VFX is also helping a lot mob grinding, i was afraid they wouldn't care about it, ig that worked

[storm dock]

Yeee i hate that we could'nt tell Tasim

This gives me hope for better side line separation of events in the future tho

Gives them more time to rework dialogues

[somber shuttle]

I remember seeing a ct say early in beta that they thought it was a better experience to go through the path of telling him after already seeing what happens if you dont, so I dont mind too much that we have to wait

[storm dock]

|| i proposed we get to not have Rex die on us as a result ||

🙏

[misty jungle]

Oh also

Static attack speed addition

[storm dock]

Facts

[misty jungle]

Eh, some relationships just felt kind of forced too

[night monolith]

The builds are really really nice and detailed

Have not gone too deep into it yet but so far its very nice looking

[left girder]

• great music, especially whisper & day in day out
• cool characters even if it takes a while before they become interesting
• love the railway
• the mountains and border cliffs are gorgeous
• the wings look amazing
• awesome raid boss
• cool-ass lore

[glossy nova]

Also the vfx are rly good

Like it can clutter, but at least during a solo game it makes the game far cleaner

[twin fiber]

Im genuinely DYING for them to release more ost on YouTube

Im stuck afking in housing with the jukebox for now

[left girder]

they say they're waiting on album art

its such a shame youtube doesnt let you retroactively add it

spotify when 👀

[twin fiber]

Downloadable OST would be a sick rank perk

[storm dock]

Just to pair it off with my statements on mounts: THE MINIGAME TO UPGRADE MOUNTS IS INSANELY GOOD

A whole separate MINIGAME on its own

Put to shame every modern minecraft server

• animations are insane

[left girder]

yeah i like that it no longer consists in just putting a heavy rock on W

[storm dock]

It also promotes casual exploration

[left girder]

yeah there was this suggestion on the forums, circa 2016, proposing a concept of horses gaining tons of speed while on paths, to keep them relevant. (as opposed to random grass)

i always liked that idea, but this update went the complete opposite way, encouraging you to stray off the established paths to pick up powerups and discover new areas organically

what we have now is much cooler imo

[rancid stream]

Really interisting fableds (at least for assassin)

[grand dagger]

Toxoplasmosis major ID :D

im hitting 84% of dmg done on grootslangs

and hit ~70% on nexus of light

[storm dock]

IS IT TIME to finally make a shaman for me?? (should have anyways)

[grand dagger]

I did get a really good toxo poison ID for 2 stx

[storm dock]

Do u think that needs balance?

[grand dagger]

I think the major id could be buffed in minor ways, like slightly more range, slightly quicker buildup, and 250k instead of 200k per totem

but its very good on grootslangs and nexus raids now cuz you can do 600k burst (without aspects) allowing you to actually do damage sometimes

[storm dock]

U want a buff? Thought it was broken

[grand dagger]

only on the beta

im getting so much dmg because its just giant aoe poison lol

the actual mID part of toxo doesnt come into play much but its VERY nice when it does and actually gives it a little bit of kick

rn on my build focused purely on poison it takes ~12 seconds to build up to that 600k dmg for only a 4 block radius

what im envisioning for the buffs would be a range increase to like 6-8 blocks, and for the buildup to be still ~12 seconds to fill the totem but it goes to 250k

making the dmg actually like hit and workable on stuff like fruma bosses (or greg) since you dont really get much defence with most toxo builds since it needs so much strength

[storm dock]

Making it work on greg is gonna be huge

[grand dagger]

thats why im hoping for a range increase

so that you can try to kite greg a bit easier to your totems to do that dmg

[sharp pollen]

I love the animations for mounts, especially wyverns. They made them feel super cool to fly/ride around

all of the new quests are very good as well (except through the pipes I wanted to die doing that one but it might've been because of the lag. It goes on forever)

[storm dock]

I love through the Pipes, i had the honour of playing it on beta with and without lag, it was absolutely genius

We all knew this was gonna happen on release tho 😔

[sharp pollen]

lol yea

the lag made it dang near unplayable

It took me over an hour and 1/2 to do

[twin fiber]

My friends ~4 weeks ago: "oh cool, the quests are coming out on beta, but im gonna wait to do them on live to experience them properly with everything fixed"

(they did not see this coming)

[sharp pollen]

I was the same way

I dont regret it though, I liked experiencing it live

[twin fiber]

I mean the ideal answer is just to play quests live at times when the lag dies down

[somber zenith]

Texilated cooked on the music

[elfin fractal]

final quest spoiler ||there’s a new dialogue option that wasn’t in beta (at least when i first did it) when tasim asks you to kill him where you can say something like “don’t make me do it again” which results in him finally realizing you didn’t want to kill aledar, it’s the closest to telling him (albeit after everything already went wrong)||

[blissful knoll]

I managed to play Through The Pipes during late hours where the tps was fine and it was honestly a nice quest

Also, the builds look phenomenal as always especially with distant horizons on. It feels thematic having the gigantic Fruma citadel always looming over you while questing and being able to see it really adds to the experience imo

It feels a lot more intentional and thought-out than the gavel rectangle or the Silent Expanse 1 main looping path

[storm dock]

Isn't there also an option || to make a breaking bad reference || ?

Has anyone selected it

[elfin fractal]

which one was that

[storm dock]

|| do it yourself ||

|| SAY U WANT THIS ||

[elfin fractal]

i dont think thats a ||breaking bad reference||

just like a general one liner

[storm dock]

It could be ig, it's not as memorable

[rose hawk]

Sorry about that! Trying my hardest to set up for a spotify, apple music upload and a finishing up the art for the uploads!

[twin fiber]

No its like completely ok

[rose hawk]

but when it gets on spotify it would hopefully be downloadable!

[worldly zealot]

Story is unfinished

like 30 plot threads that got introduced in last 2 quests with no resolution

[zinc smelt]

Well yeah...

[storm dock]

It's already confirmed we are getting Fruma 2, isn't that right?

[zinc smelt]

It quite literally says to be continued

[worldly zealot]

Not saying it's unintended, saying it's garbonzo

Sloppily unfinished

[zinc smelt]

It's really not

[worldly zealot]

Is

Not debatable 💀

[zinc smelt]

And this is also in the "say the things you like about the update" thread

[zinc smelt]

Did you seriously just say something that is a matter of opinion is not debatable? Aren't you also the person who said salted was greedy at one point?

[misty jungle]

Meet the potential update!

[worldly zealot]

I'm all for setting up for future releases, but most of this feels odd. A large part of the story's build up makes you expect a ||realm focused story, mainly pertaining to why the Queen wants us in the first place||. I think that's reasonable, as it's the entire focus of the first quest and a majority of the last few quests. Instead, it's more of a ||rebels against monarch story, revolving around Tasim but somehow barely involving him.|| It just feels foggy as you reach the end, like you went through a lot of distance but never really saw anything along the journey

[pale spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1396614966752186409/1486216950488236173/fruma_slander_revised_finale.gif

i stumbled up here and saw this so i had to sent it again, don't mind me

[worldly zealot]

The end part seems like a good analogy. Feels like I just went through a mega build with my render distance set to 2

But regarding the story

[pale spindle]

are we fr

6 years since the most recent event in the timeline (SE quests) and they leave 30 plot threads in the fruma ending?

that's surely an exaggeration right?

[worldly zealot]

Obviously 30 is hyperbole. I expect 2nd grade education as a presupposition before making statements

[pale spindle]

hm

well, i haven't done the fruma quests (not sure if i plan to) so i had to ask

i glimpsed through (whilst barely seeing anything) a video with the fruma quests + raid and thought the "To be continued..." was referring to the raid thing

cuz rol ends up on the nol gate and the story is supposed to end with orphion being saved (after the raid)

[worldly zealot]

I think it pertains to the ||queen calling us in quest 1||

maybe... granted, I haven't seen the Queen's dialogue post raid. It wasn't in the beta

[pale spindle]

albeit you can kind of make a comparison with both considering we have no real idea what happened to lari lmao

ct just can't make a story without cliffhangers

surely dern will address everything right guys

[worldly zealot]

but Lari doesn't feel like the whole point of the story

She's a reasonable cliffhanger, but in this it more feels like the whole purpose of the questline is something you never got, to be continued

[elfin fractal]

it was in beta just later on

[worldly zealot]

Wasn't it all?

[elfin fractal]

there’s a google doc with every dialogue branch somewhere

[pale spindle]

eh fair i guess

[worldly zealot]

In RoL, the storyline is centered around whatever is plaguing the Light. That gets a reasonable resolution, as you would expect. In Fruma, you're led to expect a resolution to XYZ and instead get resolutions to AYC

That's what i mean about it just being confusing as you go through it

[elfin fractal]

||https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeIyKgKSvTZc9R2xyJXjibaLKravjEqveKG5sB87iG8/edit?tab=t.0|| (doc name has a spoiler kind of so spoiler tagged)
theres quite a bit of specifics and on what comes next

[storm dock]

It's not potential

[pale spindle]

i see

[worldly zealot]

Oh boy, that's a lot. I'll go through this and see if the confusion remains

[pale spindle]

then wot is it

[storm dock]

Just the update

In the end option 2.1 won!

[elfin fractal]

i'm not sure what the xyz is you were expecting but i think my expectations were pretty fulfilled except for obviously dern which is the focus of the next update not this one

[worldly zealot]

Lol it does kinda feel like an iPhone update where they promise software features in the future if you get the new hardware now

[worldly zealot]

The entirety of what the Queen called anyone for, the purpose of the first quest and seemingly the setup for the next 12

[pale spindle]

oh no it's not like "potential update we're getting" it's more like "the potential of the update"

[storm dock]

Oh

[pale spindle]

it's based on the potential man memes if you've seen them

[storm dock]

Ye if u put it that way it's spot on

[elfin fractal]

||her plan gets complicated by us though so it ends up taking a drastic turn (youll read more in the doc)||

[pale spindle]

i assume not considering you didn't recognize it but yeah

[worldly zealot]

I find it really hard to believe they'll fit all that resolution into a set of dialogue options. That would be massively underwhelming imo, but remains to be seen while I go through it

the "Vibe" of mounts is pretty nice I think. Something that would be appropriate in this channel

[elfin fractal]

dw it’s still vague enough to keep expectations up

[worldly zealot]

Oh ||Dern namedrop|| is crazy

[pale spindle]

i could make a new version now

"make an alternative gamemode with pre-2.0 spells" ❌

"make a nostalgia bait major id" ✅

(context: i just saw the new bmonk mythic)

[storm dock]

YES

[pale spindle]

i know. I KNOW dev time, but MAN.

[worldly zealot]

It helps a little, but I think what I meant still applies

I guess most of it gets some foreshadowing at resolution, so that's better. I'm not sure if there is a way around setting this up at the beginning (1) and the in-between being completely different (2-11 or something) then the rest jumping back to it

[misty jungle]

and yet ||bak'al is still missing||

[worldly zealot]

That's just how the quests are designed... post-dialogue that 2-11 difference is just a stylistic choice so I suppose it works fine

[misty jungle]

I know, I reposted it many times personally, lol

[pale spindle]

YES! we must push the agenda.

[worldly zealot]

||I'm unbelievably confused about that... It seems like she's talking about Bak'al in a lot of the dialogue (and maybe Bob? or another unknown "he" regarding the resonance weaver) but the timeline of the Bak'al stuff doesn't like up I don't think.

Bak'al is the "first living" whatever she sees I think... but Fruma existed pre-portal, and I thought Bak'al was necessarily post-portal by extension||

[worldly zealot]

||that Bob thing is a grasp at straws. There's really no reason to think it's him, but I have no clue what she's talking about there||

[mild wigeon]

The ability for Sharpshooters that lets you fire a Twains Arc for free if you hit your Phantom Ray 7 times on target is a blessing and feels better than regular Twains (which I never used). Stuff rocks, makes the whole class feel more fluid, great work 👍

[somber zenith]

Did you see the title of the thread before complaining? At least go to the “what went wrong” thread, damn

[civic anvil]

Also, love the fact you can use the same mount for all your characters at the same time

[frosty veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1483605462581645485/1488319665309614158/illusion.gif

[pale spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259190143991025697/1490772992341311559/fruma_slander_finale_with_mID.gif

@misty jungle yo made 2 changes, still like the old one more but what do you think?

also sorry for derailing the thread abstract

[storm dock]

If i had to guess that was to counterbalance the necessity of needing more MOUNTS in general

[pale spindle]

(also what do you think of the changes abstract)

[storm dock]

Where is the HONOURABLE 20k player mention

[pale spindle]

...holy fuck.

[pale spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259190143991025697/1490774639297958131/fruma_slander_mID_crunkle.gif

if you zoom in, you may see it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1489407398165614764/image.gif

[storm dock]

Ok

[pale spindle]

replaced the og 🔥 ✍️ gif with this version someone made a while ago

[storm dock]

I didn't see it, pls Make bigger

[pale spindle]

lmao no- i sent that gif to give context as to why i didn't put it separately

[storm dock]

😭

Pretty

[misty jungle]

amazing

[left girder]

OH RIGHT

• i LOVE the rekindled mesa, bremmyn hierra, tundra & time valley

[grand dagger]

peak node for toxoplasomosis mID

[azure hollow]

Here's the thing
I think the update itself is actually like
fun to play through
Like the beta was really good
It's just that for some reason when they moved it to main they shit the bed with it

[azure hollow]

I think the pacing is a little off, mostly due to the Auburn sections feeling slow, but otherwise I'm honestly gonna have to disagree
||The story is largely about giving diverging large and personal stakes to killing the queen, so that she isn't just, like, Eye number two, and I think the rebels and the province as a whole does a good job with that. Tasim's there as a foil to the player, representing the larger stakes at play, and I think he gets a good amount of time to be that||

[worldly zealot]

It is about that, but it just isn't set up that way

[azure hollow]

I also just don't really think there are actually that many major plot threads dangling by the end tbh
There's like
one big one and a couple minor ones

[worldly zealot]

That part I changed my mind on w/ raid dialogue. Seems really weird throwing it all into dialogue options when I feel like a lot of that would've served to move the story along

[azure hollow]

That part I agree on
I do feel like there should be a more fleshed out epilogue and apparently there was going to be one but alas

[worldly zealot]

Something just feels lackluster about ||the first quest revolving around the Queen's agenda, and then never really explaining what or why she had this agenda||

Now I think this is supposed to be temporarily sewn-up w/ the ||Two will carry on the mission|| thing, but it did feel like I got robbed a tad

You're completely right about it being a ||rebels against the monarch story (I think I said this earlier?)|| but I just wish you were given that impression to begin with instead of it being a little incohesive with the jumping off point of quest 1

[somber zenith]

its still planned to be released sometime post update

just like wastelands

a lot of it was talked about in the now locked story spoilers

[azure hollow]

We get a decent amount of it through the questline, mostly with ||the convo with Two and Majin, the convos surrounding the resonance weaver and some of the flashback cutscenes||
And it does get fully spelled out in the post raid dialogue, which I think works as a way to close the story out

[worldly zealot]

Now in beta ||I chose to tell Tasim||, something they clearly did not flesh out at all. I don't know if that messed up my impression, but it felt like he just shows up at first, gets taken, and ||then he wants to kill us.|| Now I know 2 or 3 times in between ||he's involved,|| but maybe my ||telling-him|| made those dialogues less impactful or something

[azure hollow]

Well
They disabled that choice in live for a reason

They never finished that fuckass dialogue line

[worldly zealot]

That quest more felt like hints though. I got really excited when they were explaining that stuff, then we learned some lore... and I was still just kinda lost on what they wanted

[azure hollow]

uggggggghhh
They should've fucking delayed this update I stg

[worldly zealot]

I'm sure I suffered from this in my impression. I planned on changing for live, but luckily they forced me to do that anyway

[azure hollow]

Really? It was pretty clear to me ||They were gonna send Tasim into Dern to go sicko mode||
Maybe the incomplete dialogue tree just fucked that up yeah

[worldly zealot]

I think that was hinted at, but I thought I was reaching

Maybe that is the intended impression

I did leave that quest thinking the portal was next tbh, but then I saw there was 1 quest left and just figured there was no way

[azure hollow]

No that was the intended impression
He's a temp sovereign for a reason

Yeah, I do hope we get around to Dern sooner than Fruma
I'd like to see Dern before I have kids

[worldly zealot]

That may be a slight change they could make to really improve it then. I know I re-did the quest to look just for that clarity but it felt like they really didn't tell me anything

[worldly zealot]

Mission failed for this guy, but wouldn't have it any other way

[azure hollow]

Oh
You got snipped or something

[worldly zealot]

Oh no lol, kiddo almost 3 months old its great

[azure hollow]

Oh nice
congratz dude

[worldly zealot]

'preciate it

Though dern would still be nice in the near future, irrespective of fatherhood

[azure hollow]

yeah

[storm dock]

agreed

[worldly zealot]

felt like every other quest I had some boss fight that didn't exist yet, idk

[azure hollow]

I think Zhiroak was the only one like that
Though considering how Zhiroak is on live rn that's uh
I dunno if I'd consider that worse tbh

[zinc smelt]

Oh damm, sorry for getting annoyed at you earlier, makes sense now you must be TIRED, congrats!

[worldly zealot]

appreciate it, but nah no problems at all. Having kids is amazing, don't let anyone tell you different