Long thread about my ideas and feedback

[pliant marsh]

I'm starting this thread as a big one that will eventually overview the whole game, as I love the server and it got so much potential to improve.
Keep in mind that my ideas/feedback come from my experience as an addicted Minecraft player who touched a bit of game dev and Minecraft server making.
I will try to be precise with my idea and constructive with my feedback, but don't hesitate to point out if I'm missing something.

As a last note, most of my ideas are pretty game changing and are about overalling the whole server, so yeah it's prob not the staff top priority right now but still I just want to push it out to them so they can have it in the back of their minds yk?

[shy wind]

Great ideas so far 👍

(im actually curious and will read this tomorrow)

[pliant marsh]

Firstly, the texturepack, there is ALOT to go over.
Like, I don't understand the need to have pack changing the blocks textures when it's not for custom items like equipment or quest item, especially when you see that for areas that were made more recently they mostly used Vanilla block that still had their base texture, and managed beautiful build that fit with the rest of the map just fine.
So I would propose a rework of the resource pack to remove all useless textures, and that could maybe be added with a rework of the current builds, since some build feel pretty old especially when you see the new ones like the Fruma Gate that's absolutely stunning.

That also introduce my second point which is also about the resource pack, voicelines! I love the Voice of Wynn mod, or other project such as Telos Realm that have voice lines for their NPC/Boss dialogue. I already asked if it was possible a few years ago and I was told it would make the resource pack way too heavy, but I have a solution for it! I recently saw Looni's video about RPG server, which made me discover Faceland, where there is a menu to toggle off parts of the resource pack! I asked the owner, and he said that if options such as voicelines are toggled off by default, they would not be loaded, so then players have no problem loading in, and can still if they want to toggle it on and just relog for it to take effect (it could be shown in an ingame message like the different tips).
It would also allow the player to choose if he want a custom pack for the blocks if the players really like the current style :)

[pliant marsh]

If you don't agree with my idea, I would like for you to express what you don't like about it if it's not too much asked
Also, sorry if my english isn't perfect it is not my native language so don't hesitate to point out mistake I made or if you don't understand some parts

[tender ruin]

too ambitious, and wouldn' fit into wynncraft for now as a default available option, and wynn doesn't have the money for hundreds of voice actors either

[tender ruin]

custom resourcepack is there for a reason, asking custom textures to be removed is wild
... they look good, and they add wynncraft a unique look, plus legal reasons

[brave pier]

the volunteer force in question

[tender ruin]

making a thread for a lot of different topics didn't work out in the past, will likely not work out in the future either

[tender ruin]

btw a game using your voice has legal background to it, so volunteers are too risky and likely would never work

[tender ruin]

or at least not gonna work without any very structured format

[pliant marsh]

My last point on the resource pack (for now), is about custom weapon/armor. Right now, we have cosmetic (so Salted can buy another yacht), and fan made models, but I would like if atleast Mythics (and maybe Fabled and some Legendary) had custom models. My main reason why I would like that is that the names and item description make all of those mythics to legendary item all very unique, but then they all look the exact same and it kind of ruins it. Like I clearly understand it's unnecessary work, and would devalue cosmetics, but I keep cringing when I get a new mythic and I read his description, which imply an amazing backstory and lore implication, but then it just look the same as all the other items.
Also maybe a rework of the base weapon model/texture would be good, as right now they have the same old style as the custom block textures, and don't fit in with the new skins look or even new block textures in more recent zone

[pliant marsh]

I know it's extremely ambitious, and it's why I especially said in my first message that they are ideas for the far future of Wynncraft, they are simply my ideas of a perfect Wynncraft at its peak

[tender ruin]

being ambitious is the smallest problem out of the 3

[pliant marsh]

When you say it's here for a reason, are you talking about like quest item, gui etc? Cuz I precise does make sense, I'm not talking about completly removing the pack, just the unnecessary retexturing of blocks. Like I don't think the custom grass texture is absolutely mandatory to the structural integrity of Wynncraft

[pliant marsh]

I know, but I also don't have the energy or will to create 500 different thread and follow all of them. + I'm scared it would count as spam ahah

[tender ruin]

as I wrote.... "... they look good, and they add wynncraft a unique look, plus legal reasons"

so yes... grass having custom texture is crucial to the success of wynncraft, in a way

as wild as that sounds

[pliant marsh]

Thank you, this is in fact a point I didn't take in consideration. I will try to check how it work with Telos Realm, since like I mentionned they do have voicelines for nearly all NPCs and are a pretty "official" server too, so if there is legal problem to this they must have found a way to deal with it

[tender ruin]

thats a smaller server though, scale matters here when it comes to legal stuff

I mean legal stuff in theory is the same, but in reality, its not always, probably

[tender ruin]

this is the only idea that COULD be brought into existence within the next 1-2 years

♻️ though

[pliant marsh]

Not sure what you mean by legal reason? Blocks above like 1.8 or 1.12 don't have a custom texture and are still used
Also maybe the custom blocks used to be a nice addition, but with Minecraft's new look, I see more and more people not liking how Wynncraft blocks look, I mean everytime I show it to my friends they think it's Hytale ahah

[pliant marsh]

I mean they are in the upper class of servers in term of popularity, so I would doubt they are just ignoring the legal side of this

[tender salmon]

would bloat the size of the resource pack
I don't think anyone wants to sit for like minutes for it to load

[tender ruin]

for example, afaik, you cannot sell any vanilla minecraft stuff for irl money, but not sure, ask a lawyer, not me...... I only know that custom textures also have some legal reasons to them

[pliant marsh]

Yes I know things like "remake the builds" and "custom weapon models" are far from original, I just want to say everything that's on my mind in a single thread

[pliant marsh]

Please read the entierity of my message ^^'

[dusky lantern]

wynns resource pack gives it that sort of charm and makes it feel like wynncraft. minecraft resource pack is more harsh? pointer? contrasty than wynns since a lot of the textures are a lot more soft and subtle so it would make a lot of the builds look super weird.

[pliant marsh]

I mean outside of Faceland using the Excalibur pack, nearly all similar servers I know don't have custom block textures, and I think big servers like hsb would have made a custom one a long time ago if there was any legal risk ahah

[dusky lantern]

backend of wynn is 1.8 so they use very fucky mechanics to get "newer" blocks

[pliant marsh]

So make custom textures for the new block too then? My main point is having half the block being old half the block being now doesn't look good

[fathom widget]

is this ragebait?

[dusky lantern]

? no like they cant use new blocks thats the thing

[modest patrol]

halloo o/
quick note
literally nearly all of wynn's magic is pretty much just resource pack hacks! while i know nothing about building, without the pack wynn is pretty much just nothing

[dusky lantern]

why would they make textures for a block they cant use

[pliant marsh]

Like I said it's just my point of view please be kinder and tell why you take this way

[pliant marsh]

Like I said in newer area like the Outer Void they use newer block like glazed terracotta or concrete, and they don't have custom textures

[fathom widget]

ok im sorry that was rude
i am too lazy to write why i think that way tho so ill just...
:3

[pliant marsh]

Probably the third time saying it, but I don't want the WHOLE pack gone. Today's servers are all based around doing magic with resource packs so I know it's just not feasable or interesting to make it fully not using a pack, I'm just talking about the blocks texture like the grass, stone etc being custom, I love the custom GUI, mobs and other models I'm just talking about the blocks

[tender ruin]

mythic skins are the ♻️ emoji

[modest patrol]

o really sorry about that
shouldve read a bit more first before commenting

[tender ruin]

but custom stone and grass are literally crucial for wynncraft

[pliant marsh]

Ok so since the retexturing of blocks seem to be the main point of discussion, I'm going to reformulate it:
Blocks like grass, stone etc all have a custom texture instead of Vanilla, and even tho I'm not a big fan of it as I think they look a bit old, I understand that other may love it. What I'm mostly talking about is the fact that NEWER blocks, like glazed terracotta, concrete and other block used in newer areas like the Outer Void, DON'T have a custom texture, making a weird discrepancy between new and old textures

[tender ruin]

mix of custom and vanilla blocks are perfectly fine in my opinion, but you can have your opinion
I don't exactly like the custom grass or stone, but they are good enough and they look really wynncraft-like, they must stay

[pliant marsh]

You can check it yourself, a common place where you can clearly see it is the entrance to TNA, where alot of the blocks have the base Vanilla textures while others have a custom one, and like @dusky lantern said, there is a difference with the Wynncraft one being more soft and the new Vanilla texture being more pointy with more contrast

[tender ruin]

you might think you would like wynn more with vanilla stone and grass textures, but if you would actually try that somehow, I'd nearly guarantee that you'd change your opinion

[tender salmon]

they're not that artstyle clashing to be a big pain point tbh, a retexture wouldn't accomplish much

[pliant marsh]

Like I said in my first message, my ideas/feedback aren't for the most part about crucial change that need to be made but details that I think would improve the game.

[tender ruin]

I just double checked TNA entrance, and it looks like its one of the best-built places so far

so now I've changed my opinion to... mix of vanilla + custom textures is the BEST play here,

you might not like the sytle of wynn texture pack, but I love it

[tender ruin]

imo they even go well together

[tender salmon]

also @pliant marsh how does that server you mention handle toggling texture pack features

if it's a mod then it's an instant no

[pliant marsh]

I mean in my opinion, it look really good BECAUSE of the Vanilla textured block, and my point for the TNA entrance was that making it fully Vanilla textured would make it look even better (or atleast remake the texture in a style more fitting of current Vanilla). It's just that the art style of Minecraft is probably always going to slowly change its artstyle, so keeping the old textures will be more and more of a downside as time goes on

[pliant marsh]

Literally a /toggle that open a menu, where you can click on boxes to enable or disable part of the pack, and then you relog and it's done
And like I said, I asked the owner in dm and he told me if an option is disabled by default it won't be loaded until you enable it, so you can be sure it won't bother more casual players
Also dw ahah it's fully Vanilla no mod required

[tender ruin]

I can guarantee you that making it fully vanilla textured would make it look awful

[pliant marsh]

If you keep the current builds yeah it's obvious since they are base around the pack, but you can't tell me with a straight face that what modern builders do with the base Vanilla blocks doesn't look amazing
Like I'm talking Bdubs etc

[tender salmon]

okay then we'll consider that it'll be off by default since if it isn't, it would be friction for new players
.
then what the fuck's the point in having them, there's gonna be a limited amount of voice lines possible to even add, and by then the main appeal of them (to be a wow-factor) would be lost, not to mention most players would've forgot the option to turn them on exists

to make a voice line they'd have to sacrifice one sound to be used for that one use, and with how much wynn uses weird vanilla sfx, plus iirc they have length limiters, and so like, if you use one for like something in the intro, shit then, that's one less possibility for something cool later in the game

alr
didn't have to delete that one lmao

[fringe bone]

Can someone make a table of contents i dont want to read all this

[tender salmon]

no "useless" texture pack changes
voice lines

[tender ruin]

ooooh now I see why you stick to this opinion so badly...
your headspace about minecraft builds and their wow-factor is from vanilla minecraft builders only, and likely not much wow-factor from other game buildings either...
wynncraft's look is a bit difficult to get used to after vanilla minecraft, but you should give it a longer try, thats all I can say, and thats how I grew to like wynn style buildings too
as for wynn builds or vanilla builds look better.... they look different, they are different styles, and while Bdubs builds look awesome as heck, if you just WATCH THE FRUMA TRAILER and other Fruma videos, especially that 61 sec long twitter (or x) video, you will see that Fruma, while being wynn style, looks just as good, if not better, than Bdubs builds

[tender salmon]

and like custom armor/weapon models

[tough plank]

voices of wynn is also a mod

[tender ruin]

@pliant marsh see why its a bad idea to discuss multiple topics in 1 thread?

[tough plank]

im not sure its at all reasonable to have it as just an update to the pack

even if all the voice lines were just in the pack

already made

unless im missing something would it not be a crazy increase to pack size?

[tender salmon]

they're putting aside the size increase and suggesting a toggle for a pack with or without them

[pliant marsh]

The point isn't of having them totally shadowed either, I mean currently there is from time to time tips in the chat about checking the map or your stat, and of the Gallen Graveyard dungeon you can choose between story and normal mode, so I imagine something similar where when first logging on Wynncraft you get the option to choose between voicelines and no voicelines (with a big warning about the loading time ofc), and if it's disabled frequent reminder in the chat about its existence.
I also am not very familiar with how sound pack work, so if it really is as big as you seem to say, and if each voiceline have to be replacing a Vanilla sound, I totally understand how it's a bad idea (I just tought we could add as many new sound/model/texture as we wanted seeing the number of new cosmetic ahah)

[tender ruin]

this is from lord of the rings minecraft mod, not exactly vanilla textures, but they are similar styled, and they look awesome.... you should give different building art styles a more "open to understand" approach

[fringe bone]

Servers auto download resource packs have a 50 or 100mb size limit

One of those

[tough plank]

yee Im not sure its at all possible to

[tender ruin]

does this look vanilla or not? (its lotr minecraft)

[tough plank]

to have that with like 1k+ voice lines

in the pack

[fringe bone]

Forum in minecraft feedback in 2025 says its 250mb now

The sounds would have to be compressed to hell

[tender salmon]

anyway going to this point
dawg... there's some vanilla blocks that are used in wynn builds that, if not for the texturepack altering (or outright replacing them), they'd look AWFUL

clay is one of the biggest culprits I can think of rn

[tough plank]

I mean straight up wynnpack retextures is just never gunna be gotten rid of for the many reasons stated above

and yee wynnpack adds dark stone, a different wood type, dirt slabs

stuff like that to help with builds

[tender ruin]

khm... coal block at TNA, no?

but indeed, thats the main point

[tender salmon]

vanilla clay is hiddeous and can't mesh that well with other blocks
wynn clay is so much easier to build with

[pliant marsh]

I'm sorry if it seemed like I wanted to stick to my opinion against all reasons, I just wanted to fully explain my point and tried to find ways for it to work.
My points in my last message was about the fact you said Wynn being built with vanilla textures would look awful, which I think is completly false, as you said yourself it's just a different style there isn't a correct one. But my point on newer blocks having vanilla textures still stand, it's especially the glazed terracotta with its pattern being used as a block in landscape that hurt my eyes honestly ahah

[tough plank]

those are kinda grandfathered in I think as they got added to the game and used before a texture

so retexturing them now would fuck them up a lot

[pliant marsh]

If people start to spam small message like that yeah, but the idea was everyone would make long precise message about their point instead of taking this thread as a discussion channel

[fringe bone]

The precision is immaculate

[tender ruin]

ideas and reality are 2 different things

what you wrote is simply not how humans work

and feedback threads are literally discussion channels

..except they should be about 1 single idea mostly

[tender salmon]

several points in terms of feedback are fine imo, but several suggestions when they're so different feels bad

[pliant marsh]

I myself like to build in 1.12 modpacks, and like I said there is no "correct" building style, I just wanted to talk about the discrepency between the 2 style being used in Wynncraft builds

[pliant marsh]

That is also something I didn't know, thank you for bringing it to my attention

[tender ruin]

I didn't say you WANTED to stick to your opinion, but I STATED that you stick to your opinion so closely, for xyz reasons, then I said what you should try to do instead, because I see things behind your logic about builds and textures that you might not yet see

and they are not going to rebuild the whole wynncraft map with vanilla blocks

this idea has run its course, custom textured builds are here to stay, for good

[fringe bone]

Yeah like they COULD offer a large voice resourcepack download seperately on the website

But at that point youd just download voices of Wynn

[tender ruin]

this is the good feedback here, but it got buried under a lot of.. not good suggestions

[fringe bone]

I also dont know of the drawbacks that come with stuffing voicelines into resource packs

[tender ruin]

this could have gotten its own thread, maybe it still can

[pliant marsh]

The idea isn't to take blocks one by one and redo them in a similar style to other blocks before putting them back in, the idea is making all the blocks, old and new, fit together, either by changing the texture or changing the build, or even both

[tender salmon]

well, they're changing old builds to fit the new style

[tender ruin]

yep, this is never going to happen, no point even talking about this

[tender ruin]

well.. yes, sometimes, but they will keep the custom textures

[pliant marsh]

I honestly tought I could just kindly ask people to keep the thread ordered, as I personally think humans can follow simple demands when they are kindly asked to

[tender salmon]

yeah, the new style depends on also having the retextured blocks

and the ones that aren't to be how they are

[tender ruin]

nop, thats not how humans work, im sorry to shatter your world : (

[fringe bone]

Asking to replace the wynn textures with vanilla is kind of a middle finger to the CT

[tender ruin]

to do what you asked takes a lot of effort for most people

[fringe bone]

Who worked hard on making this artstyle work

[tender ruin]

because threads are discussions, back and forth arguments, and not long, structured points from each person every half an hour

[pliant marsh]

That honestly was my ideal solution at first ahah, but I now see that it would be too much asked and not aligned to the goals of the server

[tender ruin]

im not gonna lie, I don't think there are many other people who share OP's opinion about the wynn style textures

[tender salmon]

the closest I've seen is people who play with shaders that disable the texture pack for their shaders to work

[pliant marsh]

Honestly yeah a part of why I made this proposition is because I love Voice of Wynn, and I think it's a shame that you need to be quite invested in Wynncraft/modding to even hear about it, an "official" shoutout from the Wynncraft team would be nice

[fringe bone]

Also ive seen the raid rooms in block editors with the vanilla pack they look BAD

Like really bad, theres no vanilla blocks that can fix them

Would have to redo the whole maps

[tender ruin]

yeah umm............. im not saying this as an insult, but you need to get out of certain delusions and think in terms of what can be done, and what should be done, and also think in terms of the other party.... there are 100s of CTs, they created custom textures, they built up Fruma world, people love wynncraft world and how it looks, at that point you kinda have to ask yourself if one even has the right to call for a map rebuild

they built up wynncraft world*

[tender salmon]

also I'm not gonna lie
wynn grass blocks are so much cooler than vanilla grass blocks

[tender ruin]

don't you just... have to hear about it, and then download the mod? lolol

[pliant marsh]

That's not how every human work for sure, but some of you have been way more civilized than other by keeping the thread more ordered, so I just tought that by making long precise arguments I would bore those who are just here to spam messages and drown my points

[fringe bone]

Welcome to #1019649786799996980 !!

[tender ruin]

welcome to #1019649786799996980 !

jokes aside, yep, thats also not humans work

[fringe bone]

uncivil discourse AND SPAM

[tender salmon]

these little thingies make grass look way more nicer

and I'd totally feel their loss if that texture was removed

[tender ruin]

to be fair, I really don't like these, especially at the edge of housing islands, but they are alright, like its not too big of a problem, and main wynn builds are.. not edges of housing islands

[pliant marsh]

Alot of people I've introduced to Wynn, or that I've seen trying Wynn have made comment about the artstyle feeling more old, not necessarily in a bad way, but there is a clear group of people that see the discrepency between the old and new textures like me

[tender ruin]

yeah, obviously, a 5-10 year old build feels old... shocker!

[tender salmon]

thank god they didn't see og cobblestone

[tender ruin]

just wait for Fruma and shape your opinion based on that again, thats the current standard for wynn

[pliant marsh]

It's another problem that I've encountered yes, when I try to make modpacks similar to Majestic Overhaul by olinus, I often encounter problem with mod/shader/resource pack as they are often incompatible with Wynncraft

[tender ruin]

as someone else said before, they will patch up the older wynn world areas in the future, but you have to think about whats worth and whats not worth the work for a server

[tender salmon]

yeah I really think that the next town remake should be ragni

I like the new thesead and nesaak, and I know ragni was rebuilt in like 1.18
but ragni is still outdated

and it really needs some love and attention

hopefully with fruma

[pliant marsh]

I completly understand your point, but outside of the of the current discussion, I personally think this argument doesn't make sense... wanting to preserve the work put in by alot of people is a noble goal, but to the point where you don't want to touch a single thing that's already there is just wrong... sometimes you have to accept change even if it mean newer generation won't see the work put out by the one before them

[pliant marsh]

Yeah but my point is not alot of people have heard about it compared to what it deserve.

[tender ruin]

duh... why do you think they are heavily modernizing wynncraft in the past 1 to 2 years?

[pliant marsh]

Patching up the older wynn area is what my point was about, I just wasn't sure if it was in their goal so I wanted to make my voice heard about it

[tender ruin]

thats very different from the original argument I was answering to, aka that was not your point

[pliant marsh]

Please reread your messages...? You were talking about how asking for changes (the rebuild of older areas) was an insult to the CT who worked on it, and now this...? Not sure I understand what your opinion is on this point now

[pliant marsh]

It wasn't my point, but it was one of the reason WHY I had this opinion. I proposed the idea of optional voiceline in the base pack because not only would it be for sure very cool if we ignore the technical side, but also because like I precised after, I love the Voice of Wynn mod and think more people should hear about it, especially before doing their first playthrough of the server, as discovering and doing the quest for the first time with and without the first time is a massive difference

[tender ruin]

asking CT to rebuild the map with vanilla textures (because it would require full map rebuild and full art style change and not just for the builds, but for literally everything else in the game too, npcs, quests, items, etc) WOULD be an insult to CT (though I was just agreeing there, I wasn't the one who said that)

reworking/patching up small builds or areas in wynn map slowly over the last 1-2 years and over the following few years to better fit the modern wynncraft style is what they are already doing, but they will NOT get rid of custom textures, if anything, they will add more, rightfully so

[pliant marsh]

Like I would do anything to be able to experience Wynncraft for the first time again, but on a modpack with stuff such as Voice on Wynn and shaders etc

[pliant marsh]

At this point of the conversation my base proposition of fully removing the custom blocks was completly gone, it was now about also remaking the newer block used in builds so they too have a custom texture fitting of the Wynncraft style (atleast from my point of view that's where we were at at this part of the conversation)

Also, I'm ready to repost my different propositions, but on different threads each this time like you said, and I'm willing to try to follow them all, but I just wanna make sure with the Discord staff that it would be fine and not consider spamming...? If anyone can help me confirm it

[tender ruin]

just look at your first 2 suggestions, they got downvoted into oblivion, I don't think its reasonable to repost them, but you do you

as for the mythic and fabled items are in need of unique and original modern skins, you could post that idea in a new thread, if you so desire

[pliant marsh]

Ofc I wouldn't repost them in their original state, as my opinion did change thanks to our conversation, and I have taken into consideration the different points you all made

[tender ruin]

again, then you do you

[pliant marsh]

I understand I have really different opinion from the rest of the playerbase (atleast from those who bothered to reply to the post), and that I am unaware of some point such as the pack download limit and the legal matters, but I still want to talk about it as I think it is was a constructive discussion that, even if it wasn't necesserally beneficial to the server as it didn't end up in a final approved suggestion, it was atleast constructive for me and maybe you in term of knowledge, conversation skill and overall understanding of others

I will probably do it tomorrow then, if by that time I wasn't sent to the shadow realm for my outrageous suggestions

[tender ruin]

.

[pliant marsh]

I just wanted to thank you for having the conversation with me even tho we clearly had different opinion :(

I maybe don't know alot about human urge to spam in #1019649786799996980 but I atleast know that not everyone is capable to have a constructive conversation with someone that have a very different opinion from them

[thorny hedge]

@pliant marsh if you wish to test out your theory on specific texture pack related stuff, specifically reverting vanilla blocks to their textures, you can have a mod that unlocks server resource packs and allows you to move it, then add a pack with those textures you want changed. see for yourself if you actually are interested in that.

as for the other points, other than the mythic/fabled weapons having reskins which i agree with, i disagree