#I'm a returning player, here's my thoughts on Wynncraft (first hour of a 1-106 playthrough)

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junior aspen
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Hello everyone. I'm logging in for the first time since Rekindled World dropped, and I decided to do a new playthrough. I found out that I have a LOT to say about this game, so I'm going to share my feedback as I play. Wynncraft is now this weird hybrid between a Minecraft creation and a full-fledged game, I'll try and critique it as such.

King's Recruit
King's Recruit was fine. I feel like it will teach new players all the basic mechanics. But that's it.

First, I don't think the quest actually gives an impression of how Wynncraft plays. There's no exploration, minimal loot collection, a loot cave that gives off the wrong impression, and not enough combat. I've played a few other minecraft MMORPGs, and their first slice of gameplay perfectly showcased how the rest of the server would play.

This could theoretically be alright; lots of games don't focus too much on core gameplay in their first fifteen minutes. The difference is that those games have some sort of a different hook to get the player invested, such as worldbuilding or interesting characters. Wynncraft has even less of that. The world it presents at the start is generic, and honestly too similar to vanilla Minecraft in terms of the mobs it has. Aledar and Tasim both talk like stereotypical AAA characters.

For a server that cares so much about player retention, it's crazy how bland the tutorial feels. Yes, the models and builds are amazing, especially that zombie miniboss, but they can't carry the introduction alone. Any minecraft server can look nice. I want to see standout writing and gameplay; something that truly sets Wynncraft apart within the first 5 minutes.

At the end of the day though, this isn't the biggest issue, since king's recruit is only like 5-10 minutes long. And it's still leagues better than that profession-centric tutorial we had once.

The king giving me a teleport scroll was nice. The king telling me to visit the shitty website map if I'm lost was not.

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Class Selection
I love the class selection screen. Amazing first impression with visuals and music.

People don’t give this part of a game enough credit. As a new player, you get a glimpse into the game’s setting, and each archetype has an enticing description (shadestepper can oneshot? riftwalker controls time?) I can absolutely see a player easily picking a class/archetype based on what sounds coolest.

Ragni Store Advertisement
Ragni has a large store advertisement right as you exit the castle, and it is meant to tell players about the store and free chicken pet (#1458856106079293560 message). This isn't too scummy or too confusing for new players, it breaks immersion and shouldn't be as obvious as the bank is. I think they shouldn't have this in Ragni at all, and just wait until Detlas to tell people about discord dxp and the chicken. Anyone who would get those would also probably play enough to reach Detlas.

Also, while in Ragni, I encountered a bunch of players with pets and cosmetics, one even opened a crate. New players seeing people with cool stuff, and then asking them how to get it, feels like a way more natural way of introducing them to the store. There’s already an advertisement in the character info menu too!

Champion Rank
Holy shit, thank you so much for not spamming my chat with the “you have 4 unspent ability points!” message if I choose not to spend my champion-exclusive bonus points. I want to see what the server is like unmodded before I download wynntils or anything similar, and I was worried I’d have to break that rule to get rid of annoying spam.

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Enzan's Brother
I’ll always be a fan of the concept behind Enzan’s brother. The Emerald Trail is a great tutorial for what Wynncraft is actually like as a game, and this quest gives every new player an excuse to travel through it.

The mushroom miniboss was a playsession highlight. It growing took me by surprise and I loved its kick attack animation. Made up for Therck's overly quirky dialogue.

I love how the end of Enzan’s Brother organically leads you to more content. The NPC tells you to return to Ragni, and the ring tells you to seek out a cook… but he also tells you to climb the stairs, where I found a mysterious key, which I really hope leads to something cool.

Cook Assistant
Cook Assistant is so much better now. I’m not kidding; the replacement of that fetch quest has probably increased player retention by 10%. Now it’s a funny 1-minute quest that highlights the importance of teleportation scrolls. It’s also a good showcase of the Katoa Ranch surroundings, and it made me want to check out what that structure [decrepit sewers] was sometime in the future.

Misc. Complaints

  • In the time it took the reward chest cutscene to play in the Pigman Barbecue loot cave, every mob respawned and immediately killed me in a swarm.
  • The ring you get from Pigman’s Barbecue should be called something other than “Blank”. That name makes it feel like a bug prevents an actual name from showing up lol.

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Keep in mind that while I do have many hours in this server, meaning I don't have the true new player perspective, but I do want to try and replicate that to the best of my ability. I'm out of the loop on anything post-2024, so I don't know what "Burger" is or what the community loves/hates. I'll continue posting updates to my journey on the forums/discord (primarily the latter). Thank you for reading!

solid maple
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we hate cave reward chest cutscenes 😔✊

stark barn
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Feels kinda nice having this types of CF posts, do you plan on keeping this for mid-Lategame? i feel like early mid (30-50) is by far the worst part of wynn

swift shell
junior aspen
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I hope to continuously post these, either as replies here or new threads

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I'll definitely have 2000+ characters to type about Realm of Light

exotic glacier
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to be fair with the cave. it does kinda give you an idea how most caves will go with the objectives.

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just not as much on the actual some caves are giant have fun exploring

analog pumice
# solid maple we hate cave reward chest cutscenes 😔✊

Fr, make it faster. Like right after the cave chest reward chest opens and the sparkles. The items slowly floating up looks cool but feels like forever when you’re being pelted by mobs
That or at least give the player temporary immunity while the animation plays

polar bison
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it feels more like a quick combat tutorial rather than a cave imo, it should be bigger, i assume they didnt want put parkour/puzzle in the intro cave because some people will struggle no matter how much of a joke you make it but it doesnt give the best idea of caves

exotic glacier
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ehh i will say the first few caves do tend to be this, just go in and kill things

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(or at least follow a set path and kill things on the way)

junior aspen
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The cave should at least feel like a cave, and not a small alcove in the mountain

exotic glacier
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I think they just wanted to get the bare essentials of what a cave would be like which it's fine for. Like it at least tells the player what to at least expect

polar bison
junior aspen
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I don't think it needs puzzles or parkour, just more of a sense of adventure

tribal wigeon
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the old cave tutorial was shit because it didnt even click for me it was supposed to be a tutorial about caves
but you're right in that it felt more. "adventurey"

junior aspen
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I didn't like the old cave tutorial

tribal wigeon
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-# time for like the 6th tutorial rework

junior aspen
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too much of a focus on parkour imo

exotic glacier
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will say though, caves only start getting kinda complicated at level 12 (and that cave's just hell till like level 20)

junior aspen
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Does anyone remember the 2016-2017 tutorial? Where you got to walk around a semi-open area? That was my favorite iteration of king's recruit

tribal wigeon
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this is besides the point but I wish there were more involved caves. just not in lootruns saltroll

exotic glacier
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Yeah the issue was after profs update they just had to change stuff.. and then never stopped

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(although that tutorial sucked because it was just, you didn't learn anything outside of how to cast your first spell)

polar bison
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speaking of learning spells there really should be around level 50 something that lets people know macroing spells is allowed and quite useful. idk how youd integrate it well but if we can have a out of context store ad in every town we can have like a signpost in olux or smtn about this

exotic glacier
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that's a 3rd party thing so not it should not be taught

swift shell
tawny lion
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why is the store advertisement in ragni 😭

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great way to cause someone who hates p2w to find a dupe like

exotic glacier
acoustic skiff
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great post

exotic glacier
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i remember detlas has one (or i'm going insane)

acoustic skiff
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on topic of tutorials: which version of tutorial was it in which you had to chop a tree to get across a chasm

junior aspen
junior aspen
tawny lion
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including tempo town? capitalism has no bounds

exotic glacier
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tempo town is such a weird one

acoustic skiff
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yeah lmao

floral iron
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The store ad in every major town is so forced

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Like maybe it would be fine if it was only detlas

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Still would feel off but whatever

junior aspen
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if they put it in tempo town that's actually crazy

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that place is just one house and a marketplace

floral iron
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Bros put a store ad next to "homeless major" 😭 😭

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Please salted we need this our major is kinda homeless

peak ruin
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100% agree that ragni should not have any of that ad store bullshit, keep that to high level places where they actually have le to even buy shares

torn ocean
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I still don't like that it's in ragni or other places but like
if it's placed there to advertise the free stuff then that's a bit more excusable

peak ruin
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okay yeah

torn ocean
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it should definitely be moved to not be at the exit from ragni castle

junior aspen
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yeah that's more fair, I still think the ad should be more subtle

torn ocean
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more subtle and less in the way

peak ruin
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it is very big

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structure wise. it stands out

floral iron
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Would it be better at the plaza or at the emerald trail exit?

torn ocean
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emerald trail exit 😭
that would be worse imo

peak ruin
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i think it should be somewhere visible

floral iron
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"Before you leave adventurer, have a look at this"

peak ruin
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LMFAO

floral iron
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Enzan would say shit like this 🔥 🔥

peak ruin
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look at these 20% off deals on ranks, eh eh?

junior aspen
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I should look around Ragni and see if there’s a good place for it

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If it’s still on the Main Street it should be guild banner sized

floral iron
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Ig the plaza would be the best place for it

junior aspen
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Actually

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Just wait until detlas to advertise them

floral iron
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The balloon is alr there

peak ruin
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make it so you cannot finish the tutorial without buying 5 crates

floral iron
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Salted needs his 6th yacht 🤑

peak ruin
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its just teaching you about the store mechanics, and the tutorial is the best place for teaching

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the horse cart actually crashed because you hit the ad structure

floral iron
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😭

junior aspen
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Bob stands for "Buy One, Buy another for free"

torn ocean
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this is also another great time to bring up the VERY questionable placement of store podiums

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why is there a store podium in Elkern??? Tempo Town????? Eltom???????

junior aspen
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ngl i forgot there was a town named elkurn

torn ocean
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no one ever goes to eltom unless it's a proffer to use the blacksmith or warrer to use the tp scroll only

junior aspen
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corporations really are everywhere

torn ocean
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it's literally right next to the stairs to the mayor's office, the important quest NPC you're told to go to after entering the town in the quest 😭

lilac seal
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I will say, though, my first time through that tutorial had me ramming myself into the huge structure set of mining equipment, wondering where tf I’m supposed to go, before we saw our exit literally two feet to the left of the entrance

rapid jasper
lilac seal
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It was so imposing for a tutorial, but that made it feel super unique. There was an active battle going on, forcing you to free soldiers, fight through zombies, and giving you a real sense of life in that part of the game. I really miss it

torn ocean
floral iron
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Ye

junior aspen
lilac seal
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Ik a tutorial isn’t supposed to be that, since you learned absolutely nothing from the tutorial, but I really do miss how genuinely vast it was, and how much there was to explore in it

torn ocean
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the only traction is people who are doing recover the past (A VERY STORY IMPORTANT QUEST THAT SHOULD INVEST YOU INTO THE WORLD) and people who died to anni/bowels of the roots

floral iron
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(major = atleast 1 player goes there a day)

rapid jasper
rapid jasper
junior aspen
torn ocean
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yeah, for quest/story cohesion purposes I wouldn't place an irl store there 😭

lilac seal
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Does anyone actually remember the old “lost dog” secret? How you could lead a lost dog to an NPC and have it stay at that home

floral iron
junior aspen
torn ocean
lilac seal
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And the fact there were so many little NPC’s inside all those homes you see on the cliffsides

floral iron
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Was that in the old tutorial? Do u know any videos of it?

lilac seal
lilac seal
floral iron
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So just random vids of ppl playing ig

lilac seal
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I never saw any content on it. I just saw the lost dog and then the NPC and tried it out

torn ocean
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okay wait I just had a thought shot into my skull
what if the tutorial/king's recruit played like all roads lead to peace where you can have a bunch of tasks that introduced gameplay elements to you

lilac seal
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I also love how the crazy hermit was always guaranteed to drop a pair of level 3 normal boots, just so you’re always getting a piece of gear from that mob

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But it was just entirely optional to fight him, so you basically had, like, 3 side quests available to you in a single tutorial area

floral iron
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It shall include every kind of content found in the content book, rarity lootrunning will go brr 🔥

lilac seal
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It’s a special kind of freedom (level 93 rainbow bow) that isn’t offered in Wynn anymore. Not to say new wynn doesn’t have a significantly better pacing and composition, but it’s really missing that one thing from old wynn

rapid jasper
lilac seal
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There’s a real beauty in contained freedom, like what the tutorial area offers. There are small areas (like that one part of CotL you access by leaving an airship in hidden city) that get close to replicating that feeling. I wish there was more of it, though

floral iron
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Make wonncraft great again

lilac seal
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Wynns already great, don’t get me wrong. It just lost this aspect of itself post 1.18, I believe

polar bison
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what if we add a second cutscene to the chest cutscene in caves to show you where the nearest ad is actually 🔥

lilac seal
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It’s a really difficult feeling to replicate, because you need a contained area with plenty of freedom within that said box, but also having a clear objective to leave it. You need small side quests that offer nothing but personal enjoyment/special dialogue or mobs. And it can’t be connected to anything completion wise, because it loses that aspect of “freeing limitation” once it’s attached to an objective, or end goal reward.

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The only “goal” that can be present in an area like that is leaving it

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It’s, actually, kinda the feeling you get from the festival areas, just super scaled down

covert fiber
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Holy shit wtf with the fish 🤯

earnest blade
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this treuly is a like review of level 1-4 or sum

lilac seal
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I’m still wondering how much of early game is early game, because I consider basically everything until level 54 early game

junior aspen
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Would've waited longer to make a post but I had a lot to say about the tutorial in particular

lilac seal
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At least get to well witch

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That’s, like, my favorite level capped boss for 1-10

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Also, idk why DS is objectively easier than well witch

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Like, the entire dungeon doesn’t compare to well witch (and the beast-that-eats-Ragni-soldiers-for-brunch)

earnest blade
lilac seal
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Surely the pig cave wasn’t the only one they did

junior aspen
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nah it was, pretty much everything I listed here was the only content I've done so far. I wanted to get my feedback on king's recruit out of the way since I had a lot to say about it (didn't want a 10000 character discord post). I'll wait until I've played more to give feedback on stuff like loot caves, lore, and world design as a whole.

exotic glacier
junior aspen
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also i wanted to get my advertisement rant out of the way lol

exotic glacier
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so level 40-80ish

random geyser
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i like this, please continue to do this

spring holly
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goated takes, mythical cf pull

lilac seal
exotic glacier
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to be fair there is late game

lilac seal
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I’ve got this lil system I made for myself saltroll

woven crypt
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hello Boy

lilac seal
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I’m actually really interested to see how mid-late game is altered, once the level cap is raised

junior aspen
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I’ll probably think of everything level 90+ as lategame or endgame, even when the level cap is raised.

lilac seal
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Also, it’s interesting how they’re designing Fruma to be the end game loop we’ll want, when Dern seems way more focused around being the penultimate end game

bleak tiger
# junior aspen ***Class Selection*** I love the class selection screen. Amazing first impressio...

The store advertisements is tve worst thing added to the game. I really dont care much that wardrobe update (2.1.3) made wynn seem more corprate and scummy for money, but they put these in almost every single town in the game. Even TEMPO TOWN has one, where the MAYOR OF THE TOWN IS FUCKING HOMELESS. The mayor is homeless but they can have a huge ass advertisement right there for you to shill out 385 dollars 😭🙏

It would be better if they were in like only the 4 current major cities in the game.

(Better if they didnt exist at all of course, but I understand they need to make sales and I have found them useful sometimes to remind me of my free weekly crate to be fair.)

junior aspen
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I just realized. Fruma. We’re gonna enter fruma city in some intense cutscene and then that stupid advertisement is gonna be in front of the bank or something

analog pumice
bleak tiger
junior aspen
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Ahmsord is reasonable as an alternative

bleak tiger
bleak tiger
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And lutho is the major / only town in SE

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And honestly out of all of them, lutho's is the best cause its not in the way of anything

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Bc they have a stupid hitbox that push and bounce you back when you go into them which is actually really annoying in some towns, but in lutho its blocking literally nothing so its fine

polar bison
stark barn
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set one on lutho church insteadsaltroll

junior frost
bleak tiger
junior frost
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can you wager a unid/[1] shiny dungeons oly in return?

leaden torrent
bleak tiger
fading burrow
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Yeah I can see your complaints about the tutorial. It's improved so much that it's hard to be negative about it, but there are some awkward bits for sure. That loot cave really needs to be physically longer, so that players actually understand what to do better.

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(wb btw)

junior aspen
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Oh yeah, that’s exactly how I feel about the tutorial. It’s really awkward how the loot cave mobs just spawn out of nowhere too.

jolly lily
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champ should have a /toggle for advertisements fr

earnest blade
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the issue is they will never add a single more /toggle

leaden torrent
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/toggle wynncraft

agile imp
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And there was that one higher level ranged zombie in the alcove in the side

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God I’ve been on this server for 8+ years

agile imp
covert fiber
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i miss the old tutorial where u could go on top of the houses in the cave and get to the waterfall on a lvl 1 class😔

earnest blade
bleak tiger
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My wynn joindate to now is almost a decade

fallen atlas
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Wtf (with the fish

covert fiber
spice nacelle
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hi fish !!!

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wit fis

covert fiber
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Pinny llower

wide summit
stark barn
wide summit
stark barn
# wide summit lvl 80+ meta gear? more like lvl 90-100

Anamnesis, Old keeper Ring, Amanuesis, Discoverer, Chain Rule, Statue, Delirium, Second wind, Electro-mage, Gnossis, Greaves of the Veneer, third Eye, Auxentic Capacitor, Logistics, Flashing boots, etc... are meta items for a lot of stuff and are from 80-89

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meta items start to be common at 80+

wide summit
stark barn
wide summit
stark barn
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meta items are used in the "Most Effective Tactic Available"

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Discoverer is meta for LR, Anamnesis and deliriumis Meta in some ETW builds

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and so on

wide summit
stark barn
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level 80+ is lategame 🙂

wide summit
junior aspen
junior aspen
peak ruin
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wynn is like diablo 3 for those who have 3 maxed characters, the real game starts at lvl 104, just like in diablo where the game starts at lvl 70

wide summit
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(and ofc combat build tinkering)

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tinkering... idk the right word, putting together combat builds

peak ruin
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build experimenting

fallen chasm
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guys i have an idea
what if they add a big bright store ad in the middle of lexdale prison

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and you can pay money for a key to the prison