Some item do to much

[dark chasm]

I really enjoy making different builds in the game and trying them out, but to me there is one big issue with building in wynncrafts. Some items just does to much of everything, making it super viable and often best in slot for every build using that element.

One clear to this is Anamnesis.
Lets list all uppsides to this item:

+29 intelligence, which does so that you only need to get 100 int, before you can reach all other int requierments in the game by putting on the helmet. No need for further investment into items that gives stat points, one Anamnesis can solve it all!

31/5mr. Just this alone can be enough for builds to have full sustain. With addition to the 129 int(often more since water mythics give intelligence) so your costs are low, makes 31/5ms be almost all you need.

72% water damage. This is a huge number, not a lot of other items even come close. There are some items that can compete with the dmg Anamnesis give, but its for sure one of the bigger damage numbers for water damage helmets.

The roll range is pretty bigg for both mr and waterdmg, but its a 2 roll item so its not unexpected to buy a green effective very cheap, getting almost all of the benifits.

It wouldnt be fair to skip mentioning the downside of the item, which is -1600 hp, but does that really offset 29int + 31mr + 72 water dmg? I dont think so.

So whats the point of this thread?
I just hope that in the future, (hopefully before fruma...), a change could be made to items like this, so making builds does always include the same items over and over, thus making builds a bit more varied and fun.

TLDR;
nerf Anamnesis

[buoyant torrent]

I love anemnesis, but the main downside is the 100 intel requirement, making it only really useful on mostly water builds

[dark chasm]

with the only dmg buff being water dmg, this would make sense 🤔

[buoyant torrent]

Also like dwindled knowledge is better than anam

It has +5k hp compared to anam

[dark chasm]

thats true, but the point is that Anamnesis gives sustain stats and damage, solving all problems at once

[spark moat]

@brave locust please do not post unrelated gifs if you want to contriute to the convo

[buoyant torrent]

I rarely ever see any builds use anam anyways, only some builds with very high intel reqs like hadal

Its def not always best in slot for water builds

[brave locust]

ok i will contribute

anam nukes ur ehp so its fine
the extra int is only useful for crafteds and well they have their own issues

i dont think anam is that big of a deal esp given dwindled exists

the biggest issue with anam is water crafted slap but thats mainly an issue with water crafteds

like no water weapons r really an issue except maybe hadal? like water doesnt have much of an issue sustaining so locking 31 mr behind high int doesnt cause many issues tbh

[sacred peak]

a lot of water weapons like nirvana and idol are rawstack anyways so there are alternatives that are pretty viable

[buoyant torrent]

In wynn, I tend to notice that good endgame rare(the rarity) items tend to give very high stats in a certain direction, while punishing heavily in another stat

[hot hollow]

#🗿class_builds #❓questions

[brave locust]

yeah water weapons tend to have lower base so higher water% isnt much of an issue

[vast dove]

this is not a hard req to reach if youre specing int

[sacred peak]

resolution also decent option same with gnossis

[buoyant torrent]

Ya but my point is you won't use it normally bc most builds dont need that much intel, and would rather get a helmet that gives other sp like dex along with intel

[pliant canopy]

If u compare anam and dwindled its only a few % dps diff

Anam is not that strong

[sacred peak]

I only use on idol cuz my anam is godly and I like blue numbers

[spark moat]

do you mean in comparsion to "sidegrades" or alternatives

ie its not mopolizing the water helmet slot

[hot hollow]

Gnossis is a little far but yeah resolution is also there, there's are so many options for the same purpose 😭

[spark moat]

i think that distinction should be made

[sacred peak]

[pliant canopy]

Dwindled is basically a sidegrade

[sacred peak]

I use anam on a resu build, which gets only like 20k ehp due to -hp

[pliant canopy]

all that intelligence with no real world application

Anam also kinda wastes sp

[dark chasm]

less dmg, less int, less mr , -max mana. Its never more optimal imo?

[brave locust]

well its sp is in a different place and it doesnt nuke ur ehp is the real difference

[sacred peak]

nah idol needs 120 and u get that from anam so its pretty nice

easy to max int

[pliant canopy]

90% of the time ur int is overflowing

[brave locust]

depends on teh weapon ur using ig

[pliant canopy]

And the sustain drop is very minor

3-4 mana/sec

Dmg drop is small

-Max mana doesn’t matter if u can sustain

[brave locust]

like arent most 110?
except like hadal idol and mayybbee spring idk

[pliant canopy]

And u get 5k more hp

[sacred peak]

my idol build doesnt sustain on 90 mr

[pliant canopy]

U might be doing something wrong then

[dark chasm]

for water mythics, dwindled isnt enough int by itself, so not rly

[sacred peak]

no its cuz I cycle bash upper scream fast for dps

[pliant canopy]

We just named 3/5 water mythics

[brave locust]

real

[sacred peak]

spring is 120

[hot hollow]

Torrential Tide honorary water mythic

[pliant canopy]

It’s enough for all of them?

[brave locust]

i mean it literally is but sure

[pliant canopy]

u need a tome for hadal

[dark chasm]

i mean it is, but you have to invest more than 80. So it comes pretty close to the 100 you need for anmesies

[sacred peak]

gnossis aura on hadal trust

[brave locust]

and i mean like if u wanna use it with anything that isnt water mythic unless ur time rifting its mega wasted sp

[dark chasm]

my point is that you dont save that much sp with dwindled

[pliant canopy]

Generally u will be investing 94 sp into int and then u get 26 from dwindled

So dwindled is 6 more sp

[dark chasm]

6 sp diff is not huge for whagt mr and dmg u get

[sacred peak]

hp

[pliant canopy]

the dmg loss is in single digits

[dark chasm]

ehp is a question ofc but

[brave locust]

it depends on what weapon

like nirvana you can save 15

[pliant canopy]

and sustain loss is barely any

[brave locust]

for like +5k hp is insane

i think u r underestimating the ehp loss from anam

[pliant canopy]

U can re invest the sp into str dex which closes the dps gap even more

[dark chasm]

ive played with anam quite a lot and dont rly notice it?

[brave locust]

water mythic also tend to care about sp more since not str dex mythic

[hot hollow]

Because you're not playing with the higher hp option to compare

[sacred peak]

doesnt notice missing 5k hp

[brave locust]

its not like anam is impossible to play quite the opposite its just dwindled is a lot easier and more comfy for not that much less dmg

[sacred peak]

I notice it as I still have to take care on my idol build in raids even though its a tanky version

[dark chasm]

all water mythics plays so tanky, idol fly and dont take dmg, hadal heals from either aco and summoner, nirvana used to have vanish now ig it matters a bit, archer is range

[sacred peak]

it takes skill to solo graids

[coarse quest]

Dont nerf anemesis

[dark chasm]

like most water mythics have more survivabilty in their playstyles

[hot hollow]

Ok play a less amalgamated build with dwindled and go to #🗿class_builds for help on making the rest of your set deal more damage

[pliant canopy]

Deep ice core 2 defective crafted 🤫

[pliant canopy]

If u r using etw aco u r not living a single hit

[dark chasm]

also the point of my thread was more to remove items that gives a bit of everything, Anamnesis was an example

pls dont derail the thread...

[hot hollow]

They made it clear with dwindled being added last year that this is how the helmet slot is going to be for water :?

If everyone's doing everything then nobody's doing everything

[sacred peak]

this is literally impossible to achieve

theres always gonna be a best option

[dark chasm]

remove +29 int from amnesias for example

[sacred peak]

u can build whatever u want though

[sacred peak]

and make it even more unusable ah yes

[dark chasm]

ofc there will always be bis, but why does an item have to do everything

[hot hollow]

I wonder why they added a 1:1 parallel to anamnesis instead of just nuking it 🤔

[brave locust]

it doesnt do everything bc it nukes ur ehp

[pliant canopy]

Let’s talk about aleph null then

[brave locust]

in order to do everything it needs to give sustain damage and ehp in good amounts

[warm slate]

Anamnesis cr cr cr cr cr cr cr My beloved

[brave locust]

we love anam full crafted

[dark chasm]

it would be usable of more items got changed so this one had some strength compared to others, while other items are strong elsewhere. do i rly have to argue for more build variety every thread?

[warm slate]

Dwingled

[brave locust]

real

[dark chasm]

it feels like something everyonr would like

[pliant canopy]

7/8 anyas penumbra is way tuffer

[dark chasm]

pls dont derail my thread.

[brave locust]

nuh uh

[hot hollow]

Yeah you do because build variety isn't a buzzword made for rallying constructive feedback to your cause

Go ahead and explain your view of what build diversity is and why it's good

[brave locust]

if thats the point of ur thread why is the tldr this?

[pliant canopy]

We have listed multiple helmet slot options that are on par with anamnesis 🤨

[warm slate]

hadal/idol having 120/130 int reqs is honestly the main reason anam/dwindled are used so much

[brave locust]

seems counter intuitive
one would think you would want to point the point in the tldr

[pliant canopy]

Don’t let him know about moontower int 🤫

or dwindled

Or third eye if ur weird

[warm slate]

Anam/dwinled......

[vast dove]

my wynn hot take is genuinely nothing in the game rn needs nerfs, things js need to be buffed

[brave locust]

third eye isnt weird third eye is cool
like aura of elements

[buoyant torrent]

Heck no

[vast dove]

and im not talking about buff shit to power creep the current stuff but theres tons of endgame items that just dont compete

[buoyant torrent]

Theres like 5 other good helmets to compete with anam

[sacred peak]

I think no one is taking the guy who thought chaos woven greaves was too op seriously at all lmao

[buoyant torrent]

Not monopoly or destroying build variety

[hot hollow]

0 questions visits 0 class builds inquiries 7 constructive feedback posts

[warm slate]

There really isnt 😭 the only actual competition is dwindled

[dark chasm]

and dwindled is worse in everything but hp

[buoyant torrent]

No the thing is, you cant just look at pure intel helmets, bc some helmets give other sp which might be more desired

[sacred peak]

maybe for hadal

idol has pretty high variety

[pliant canopy]

That’s kinda the point dawg

[warm slate]

Hadal/idol u always want to use dwindled/anam

[vast dove]

if you visit #🗿class_builds theres already no hope for you

[pliant canopy]

Has twin never seen Gnossis idol before

[hot hollow]

At least they could solve this dilemma

[dark chasm]

❓

[warm slate]

Yes it kinda sucks though

[vast dove]

erm but the mid doesnt work on warrior??

[sacred peak]

I used it on nirvana

[pliant canopy]

my bad twin

[buoyant torrent]

Also other stats too, which makes helms like cumulo, tpsyche, third eye, aphotic and pisces compete with anam

[brave locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177861064550002719/1340502102816063568/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[sacred peak]

the mid is like barely used lol

[pliant canopy]

The application is not there but gnossis hadal had a purpose

[vast dove]

ik lol I use narcissist instead

[tranquil crest]

knight b6 strike or sum idk

[vast dove]

lot more control over blood/hp

[pliant canopy]

Pro tip for those new to the chat, the more ehp u have the less of another stat u will get

In this case damage 🤯

[dark chasm]

ehp can be canceled with skill tho

[vast dove]

yes which is why etw>>>>

[dark chasm]

no other stat can

[pliant canopy]

so it’s not the items fault

simply because it is not etw slop

does not make it a bad item

[dark chasm]

the item doesnt give any downsides if you can move sideways and not stand still in attacks?

[sacred peak]

cough cough aternos server host anni delayed 🗣️

[buoyant torrent]

I hate this argument, the item is balanced around hp, if you are saying hp is useless, then dont play intel weapon, just play gma rage

[dark chasm]

sure bro..

[vast dove]

dont play int, play etw

[pliant canopy]

all that int with no real application

[sacred peak]

thats int bro

[vast dove]

thats the point bro

[warm slate]

Only actually op item in the game is dstatic bracelet

[pliant canopy]

Ok true

[sacred peak]

-hp

[vast dove]

real ones run rage warp

[pliant canopy]

Why are we not talking about dstatic

[sacred peak]

but yeah dia static is pretty dang good

[warm slate]

Theres only been a SINGLE thunder build i have made that doesnt use dstatic

[pliant canopy]

Dstatic is worse str scaling than thunder bracelet!!

[bright birch]

the knowledge dwindles

[hot hollow]

dstatic beating every item in every stat it has gotta be an issue of nothing else existing atp

[pliant canopy]

200 dps is the difference between phase skip tna and 30 minute tna

[vast dove]

ts is exactly what im sayin

[warm slate]

Kindaaaa but it also outdamages crafteds and it gives sp at the same time

[dark chasm]

the difference being small doesnt mean there isnt a difference, so why use the worse option. your argument is bad

[hot hollow]

That's fair, but there really should be a thunder bracelet added sometime soon to make some competition regardless of a nerf

[pliant canopy]

They’re equal in damage with variation of a few hundred depending on sp allocation

[hot hollow]

All the other thunder bracelets don't really look too dedicated

[vast dove]

this means they should be adjusted btw

[pliant canopy]

Supercharge 🤤

[wraith eagle]

i tend to use dwindled on builds that can use it over aman just cause of the hp and i love etw, this post is very Silly

i forgot how to spell amnmesies i hate it

[warm slate]

Anamnesis

[wraith eagle]

thanks pookie

[pliant canopy]

You can’t defend a nonexistent castle 🥀

[warm slate]

Over amen 😭

[wraith eagle]

Shur up

[pliant canopy]

Amanuensis vs anamnesis

[warm slate]

😊

[warm slate]

Amanuensis is the hardest to spell item name in the game

[hot hollow]

Amanuensis anamnesis synergy 🤤

[brave locust]

idk its actually so stupid

[pliant canopy]

Why do we need all that int

[brave locust]

@dark chasm when the dstatic bracelet cf post

[warm slate]

Spell cost reduction duhhh

[hot hollow]

Title of post we are on topic 🥹

[dark chasm]

i use dstatic...

[tranquil crest]

no armour build to pretend you have silverbull obviously

[vast dove]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-lock-this-post-mods-discord-gif-11549623437552487671

[tranquil crest]

me last

[wraith eagle]

to cancel large lapis accessorys

[vast dove]

no me

[pliant canopy]

Only nerf the items I don’t use 🥀

[hot hollow]

Sometimes in life you have to be prepared for the worst case scenario

[dark chasm]

yea i for sure dont use cwg

[warm slate]

Nerf cursed wings

[pliant canopy]

I have not used cwg in ages

[dark chasm]

u missing out

[vast dove]

not really

[brave locust]

ive used it once ever im ngl

[pliant canopy]

Only used it for divzer

[warm slate]

I hate cwg i like my def/agi buffs

[pliant canopy]

and a cata build

[brave locust]

only used for divzer aswell

i couldve used it another time but i elected not to bc free agi def buffs

[dark chasm]

i lowkey feel like i managed to convince everyone, am i the goat or

[wraith eagle]

i think i have 3 pairs of cwg in use

[hot hollow]

Make that 4.

[tranquil crest]

#1 delusional

[wraith eagle]

i think your post is Bad

[rocky cave]

Only??

[tranquil crest]

should have at least 6 or 7

[dark chasm]

ppl kept mentioning dwindled, but i think if you try using your wasd keys you dont rly need the hp, thoughts?

[hot hollow]

677777

[brave locust]

honestly i should probably turn my cwg into a prowess

[wraith eagle]

i have 1 of every class 🥺 sorry

[brave locust]

prowess i use so much more its actually annoying

[tranquil crest]

hive infused spear is the meta

[buoyant torrent]

No I am not convinced your whole post doesn't provide any solutions whatsoever

[hot hollow]

An actual item that does everything and should be nerfed is revenant 🥺

[runic ocean]

contrast 👍🏻

[dark chasm]

the solution would be nerfing all items that gives stats + sutain + damage, so that we dont have to use same 2 items every build

[brave locust]

i already have one and honestly maybe i need a third prowess tbh
contrast useless

[warm slate]

I have 6 pairs of cwg for 5 classes

[dark chasm]

yeah lets not nerf cwg 🥀

[hot hollow]

I have 15 pairs of deliriums for 7 classes

[buoyant torrent]

Every item that's good has a downside, it just depends on what you need

[runic ocean]

its trying its best 😭

[rocky cave]

Tf

[tranquil crest]

how do u have pair of chestplate

[warm slate]

Maybe noob sorry

[hot hollow]

By that metric delirium needs to be nuked according 2 nut

[dark chasm]

what downside does aman have though (if you have plugged in your keyboard)

[hot hollow]

15*2

[brave locust]

not my fault every 3rd build i make uses prowess (i made the build)

[tranquil crest]

math hard

[buoyant torrent]

Hp, but you don't need hp so you think it's overpowered that's my point

[rocky cave]

Then wouldnt tesla be op by that logic?

Like it gives sustain, hp sustain, damage, and sp

[dark chasm]

tesla for sure not op...

[wraith eagle]

i understand you're very talented at wynncraft sir but for the average player -1900 hp is a real downside, its just dumb to ballance the game around the very best players and noone else

[pliant canopy]

I LOVE PROWESS

[hot hollow]

30 users in the past week of constructive feedback would have you think this is a souls game played by prodigies

[brave locust]

understood

i propose the first item on the chopping block
incredibly op has sp sustain and damage with no - hp

[rocky cave]

No shot you think tesla is op

[buoyant torrent]

Just because you think hp is useless doesn't mean that it's useless for the other players

[brave locust]

I ALSO LOVE PROWESS

if they ever nerf prowess i will eat all ims

[dark chasm]

is 2100 rly enough hp for the ppl in here tho, they seem to need alot 🤭

[hot hollow]

3rd nerf's the charm

[runic ocean]

i remember when prowess gave 5.. good times

[dark chasm]

please give the item +5000hp so its playable

[coral needle]

25 sp prowess my beloved

[wraith eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sunny-omori-troll-bait-gif-2495794332107299812

[hot hollow]

@spark moat Post Derailed+OP Trolling~

[tranquil crest]

ME LAST

[buoyant torrent]

What a ragebait, finally someone mentioned it

[hot hollow]

He just came off a 3 month constructive feedback mute a couple days ago >.,<

[tranquil crest]

me last

[runic ocean]

he doing it for the love of the sport

[brave locust]

whattt its ragebaiittt??????
i didnt see this one coming!!!!!

[dark chasm]

sry for wanting to nerf op items...

[spark moat]

if you want to resort to insults in a constructive feedback thread instead of discussing the topic I think there isn't anything else to discuss here tbh

[rocky cave]

Anam is not op 😭

[spark moat]

agree to disagree?

[coarse quest]

we agree enderclaw

[spark moat]

no i mean

op vs everyone else basically lol

[wraith eagle]

HII POOKIE

[coarse quest]

hello wife

🥰

[dark chasm]

😥

[hot hollow]

LARP Derail~~~

[mellow magnet]

Oh my GOD

I KNEW THERE WOULD BE A "NERF ANAMNESIS"

[dark chasm]

since its overtuned and does everything in one item??

[buoyant torrent]

This is ragebait do not respond

[spark moat]

i believe the "Everything" has already been responded too lol

[vague birch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-skate-board-gif-778367011615093516

[runic ocean]

some1 sum this up before this gets archived

[tranquil crest]

anamnesis op. nerf pls

[spark moat]

uh its like

[hot hollow]

Only thing worth noting was dstatic bracelet 😭

[wraith eagle]

^ dstatic beating -mr crafteds is insane

[pliant canopy]

Everyone forgot aleph null 😔

[brave locust]

ok but i need that for lament so its ok

[hot hollow]

aleph null is my babeh 🥺

[spark moat]

anam op because its sp sustain dmg and it boxes dwindled or something even dwindled is a sidegrade

[brave locust]

besides!!! aleph doesnt give sustain therefore not op

[pliant canopy]

Aleph null has its side grades tho

[spark moat]

something about not caring bout hp skill idk lol

[dark chasm]

Aleph null 😭

[pliant canopy]

Cuz adrenaline

Very cool

[runic ocean]

now bam lock it

[hot hollow]

Aleph null is there for me when I need to hive for my chaos woven ❤️

[brave locust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-23970142

[pliant canopy]

Lowk entanglement

[brave locust]

ew

[pliant canopy]

aleph is for TW slopping

[hot hollow]

Is ts worth hearing out

[pliant canopy]

yes

Entanglement 20 sp op

[hot hollow]

Oh wow you're right, Fuck aleph null

[vague birch]

can we nerf elysian pants

[brave locust]

cwg gets deleted by epic aleph null

[mellow magnet]

WHAT'S NEXT

Nerf Logistics? Nerf Steamjet Walkers?

[pliant canopy]

Logistics is lowk kinda balanced

[mellow magnet]

Okay I should properly respond sorry

[rocky cave]

NERF ANTEBELLUM

[hot hollow]

Logistics better wait in line it already got its nerf earlier

[tranquil crest]

nerf cnidarian hellspawn

[mellow magnet]

Nerf Prosencephalon

It's too overpowered on oblivion man, it's BIS!!!!!!!!!!

[pliant canopy]

Truke?

[vague birch]

nerf tidebiner

[sacred peak]

wait the post is still up

[runic ocean]

nerf boots of blue stone

[buoyant torrent]

Buff depressing shears, it is outclassed by everything

[brave locust]

nerf moontower

[vague birch]

can we nerf blue mask, it does too much with it's SP and is unbalanced and allows for stupid builds

[mellow magnet]

Nerf Unravel

[brave locust]

halve all sp from gear

[wraith eagle]

lowk.

[runic ocean]

and double the sp requirements

[mellow magnet]

I'm predicting the next "nerf" post is gonna be nerf Brainwash

[buoyant torrent]

Buff archangel, az, toxo, pure, inferno, immolation, collapse, strati and resurgence

[hot hollow]

Next nerf post locked o/u 50 messages