currently its move around so fast and if you get 1-4 times your dead as they deal massive amounts of damage per hit.
#Speed stat purge
austere thicket
woeful fractal
seems to me like that's more skill-based gameplay than tanking
Not that I think this is particularly a good thing
austere thicket
seems to me like that's more skill-based gameplay than tanking
currently you just walk around in simple patterns
woeful fractal
But mob damage and health regen is a different can of worms
austere thicket
with high atack speed you never get hit the skill cealing is near the floor for endgame bosses
austere thicket
But mob damage and health regen is a different can of worms
Speed damage and defense/health are all tied together they are not seperate can of worms
woeful fractal
That is just not true idk what to say
austere thicket
That is just not true idk what to say
most difficulty comes from 1 mistake = game over.
this also means near no margin for error and even small amounts of lag are crippling
near python
no, it's a way more controllable form of movement that's very good for kiting
austere thicket
But lowering walkspeed is not the solution to that
Excuse me with high speed all you can do to mitigate this problem is either constant chip damage or insane damage
austere thicket
no, it's a way more controllable form of movement that's very good for kiting
too good
it breaks balancing encoraging all things to hit like a truck or have projectile spam
near python
it's a form of survivability which ETW builds should not have access to tbh
austere thicket
it's a form of survivability which ETW builds should not have access to tbh
yeah... It shuld be air exclusive...
woeful fractal
if you were to delete delirium they wouldnt have access to it lol
austere thicket
if you were to delete delirium they wouldnt have access to it lol
this always come back to delerium... Few exepitons are fine but overall speed stats across the board need to be lower
woeful fractal
Anyway I disagree
austere thicket
Anyway I disagree
and i doubt you understand game balance... Its not always pleasent for the players but without it the balance erodes.
near python
with what? it's really not a debate that walkspeed is an incredibly strong survivability stat, if not the strongest
austere thicket
with what? it's really not a debate that walkspeed is an incredibly strong survi...
its the strongest by far
woeful fractal
I disagree that walkspeed should be lowered
austere thicket
I disagree that walkspeed should be lowered
fun=/balanced
woeful fractal
It's powerful, but necessary. I think it adds to the enjoyability of the game
near python
it's a very strong survivability stat that is too accessible on non air builds
austere thicket
it's a very strong survivability stat that is too accessible on non air builds
yeah
woeful fractal
And there are more pressing reasons for why wynncraft mobs deal too much damage
near python
and tbh I think it is a pretty sizeable archetype issue
near python
And there are more pressing reasons for why wynncraft mobs deal too much damage
they don't, that's only if you run very glassy builds lmao
austere thicket
It's powerful, but necessary. I think it adds to the enjoyability of the game
all builds outside air should be capped to +50-100% walkspeed atmost
woeful fractal
they don't, that's only if you run very glassy builds lmao
They do
austere thicket
basically high speed forces every build to be glassy and all other surviability to be obsolite
subtle hearth
It's not just a survivability stat it's the absolute baseline for playability, there is no reason it shouldn't be on every build
austere thicket
That is what walkspeed is
subtle hearth
There is no purpose to this game without walkspeed regardless of further adjustments
near python
ever heard of an agil tank
well that's not a thing tbh
woeful fractal
all builds outside air should be capped to +50-100% walkspeed atmost
tbh I cant really name any builds with more ws than that that aren't air
austere thicket
It's not just a survivability stat it's the absolute baseline for playability, t...
Because content has been designed around people having stupidly high walk speed so there is some degree of threat
woeful fractal
you say stupidly high
austere thicket
well that's not a thing tbh
Im talking about in other games... not wynnn specifically... in wynn that is walkspeed...
subtle hearth
Yes, because walkspeed is the ideal form of enjoyability for the game so the content is made with it in mind
austere thicket
tbh I cant really name any builds with more ws than that that aren't air
Thats an absolute max
near python
enjoyability is a stupid argument here because it is the strongest stat in the game and builds that shouldnt have access to it have access to it, if you want it build agi items
austere thicket
and you are almost certanly above it if your using abilities or tomes
woeful fractal
How about first we nerf potions, nerf ability healing, nerf mob damage, buff health regen and slightly buff life steal. Make fights more slow paced. That will actually balance the game without making it less enjoyable
austere thicket
enjoyability is a stupid argument here because it is the strongest stat in the g...
exactly
subtle hearth
Enjoyability is a stupid argument? Why do you play this game?
austere thicket
game balance is incompatable with fun at times
subtle hearth
If your game balance has to be incompatible with fun you're fundamentally doing something wrong
woeful fractal
yeah. nerfing walkspeed is not a good idea
austere thicket
Enjoyability is a stupid argument? Why do you play this game?
if you maxamize enjoyability only without balance the game undermines its own surivale long term. THIS IS CALLED STAT CREEP!
near python
enjoyability is a stupid reason to make an OP survivability stat accessible on builds that are famously meant to trade almost all survivability for damage
subtle hearth
The stats are at a standstill and that standstill is where we've been at for the past 4 years
austere thicket
big numbers, moving fast make people happy yet they are not good game design for many reasons
subtle hearth
We will stay here for the foreseeable future and it's perfectly fine
woeful fractal
yeah move speed hasnt changed much
austere thicket
The stats are at a standstill and that standstill is where we've been at for the...
Speed has been getting worse
woeful fractal
Speed on non agi builds isnt even that high
austere thicket
yeah move speed hasnt changed much
wrong tomes added +20% on average
near python
if the only reason you have fun on this game is because you can be fast and run ETW then hopefully this game will end up not being the one for you
subtle hearth
Yeah it has been getting slight nerfs
austere thicket
and ability trees have added another +10-30
subtle hearth
What a silly way of talking your way out of it
Class building game but you're so against 1 specific archetype c:
austere thicket
TLDR the main reason why gear needs speed nerfs if tomes and skill trees have given speed and gear hasnt lost speed to compensate it
woeful fractal
if the only reason you have fun on this game is because you can be fast and run ...
yeah some people have fun being glassy and fast, using their own skill to avoid damage instead of going into def/agi to tank the hits, which doesnt require skill and is more of a crutch
austere thicket
yeah some people have fun being glassy and fast, using their own skill to avoid ...
high speed makes dodging easy
woeful fractal
you know how awful it'd be to play glassy and slow? that pmuch forces you to be a raid dps that dies in every room
subtle hearth
If you were a tank main on every game you've ever played you'd feel the same way for Paladin as most people feel for ETW at playable walkspeeds
woeful fractal
which some people do of course
gleaming siren
I feel like too much of the game's content is designed around walkspeed for a purge to be helpful. It would take far too much effoirt to make everything work with base walkspeed.
I instead think that the walkspeed meta should instead be fully embraced, with more armor pieces giving the stat (even defense items), or there being better atree support for the stat (not just frenzy and time dilation).
Health pots should absolutely be nerfed because it ruins the point of building health sustain, but damage numbers would need to be tweaked too.
austere thicket
you know how awful it'd be to play glassy and slow? that pmuch forces you to be ...
if speed is lowered you wont be nearly as glassy as damage would be reduced to compensate
woeful fractal
high speed makes dodging easy
and low speed makes it impossible, whats your point?
subtle hearth
If you start to adjust attacks based off players having low walk speed agility builds just become invincible instead you won't get anywhere with it
austere thicket
I feel like too much of the game's content is designed around walkspeed for a pu...
As an archer MAIN screw you and your health pots nerfs... NOT UNTIL mage and shamen loose there healing abilities
I WILL GIVE UP archer speed buffs for that exchange
speed = healing = defense
All are sustainability
near python
I feel like too much of the game's content is designed around walkspeed for a pu...
I think it'd be healthier to gut ws and adjust content around that potentially, walk speed accessibility is one of the biggest reasons we've been in an ETW meta for the past 3 years along with pots, survivability just isn't an issue with it
woeful fractal
its such a weird opinion to be against nerfing pots but for nerfing ws
austere thicket
they should be treated the same
speed, healing and tankyness should all come at the cost of damage
woeful fractal
Obviously if pots are nerfed, ability healing should be nerfed as well
near python
I think it's stupid so I personally just run air builds if I wanna be fast, I don't do as much damage obv but that's the tradeoff and I'm willing to make that trade
austere thicket
Sustain and damage should have negative corrilation
subtle hearth
Why shouldn't ETW be meta? It's the ideal archetype for a DPS player in a support secondary support dps secondary dps meta which is where we're at
austere thicket
I think it's stupid so I personally just run air builds if I wanna be fast, I do...
yes that is how it should be YOU dont get speed and damage.
woeful fractal
Also air builds are still by far the fastest builds you can get
near python
How about first we nerf potions, nerf ability healing, nerf mob damage, buff hea...
also didn't see this until now, but yeah aside from mob damage maybe (unless it's slight) I couldn't agree more with all these
austere thicket
Speed makes you not glassy its a different form of sustain
austere thicket
Also air builds are still by far the fastest builds you can get
stop with your strawman argument
near python
Why shouldn't ETW be meta? It's the ideal archetype for a DPS player in a suppor...
because one playstyle shouldn't be as hard meta as it is especially when the thing making ETW so strong is its access to survivability
woeful fractal
what am i strawmanning
austere thicket
Issue is other elements are creeping onto air speed abilities
near python
it's not even a skillful playstyle anymore
subtle hearth
FA is hard meta for tanking what's the issue when that's what those two stats are for
austere thicket
it's not even a skillful playstyle anymore
exactly
near python
you just dont die
austere thicket
FA is hard meta for tanking what's the issue when that's what those two stats ar...
tanking is a different form of sustainability
near python
FA is hard meta for tanking what's the issue when that's what those two stats ar...
the famous FA solo potential 🙏
gleaming siren
I think it'd be healthier to gut ws and adjust content around that potentially, ...
It would indeed be healthier in my opinion, but it would take significantly more time and effort, and also change a lot more about the meta (and people really hate change)
subtle hearth
When you make all classes slow and all boss attacks adjusted accordingly what happens to players playing air? They're just gonna have an even easier time for no good reason
near python
it depends, I don't think content would need to be adjusted that heavily tbh
near python
When you make all classes slow and all boss attacks adjusted accordingly what ha...
bro cannot grasp the concept of tradeoffs gg 🙏
subtle hearth
What is air trading off to get this buff
austere thicket
walkspeed is a different form of sustanability
tanking is group sustainability walkspeed is solo sustainability
near python
it's a concept where in this example air would deal less damage than ETW, but would have better survivability
austere thicket
they are different roles but both surviability
austere thicket
it's a concept where in this example air would deal less damage than ETW, but wo...
yeah thats correct