#OFFICIAL Blizzard Brawl 2025 feedback thread

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compact oak
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I can be at point blank looking directly at someone and it does not register

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His ult feels pretty nothingburger?

pure dagger
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What ping do you play on

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It makes a huge difference

austere owl
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Havent played yet but uh

pure dagger
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On EU he feels so nice but on NA much less so

austere owl
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Irlok ult doesnt pass through walls or smth

compact oak
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His shift is fun to play around, I like to get to high grounds and get some cheeky kills

austere owl
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You gotta aim open spaces

compact oak
austere owl
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I needa play a game or 2

pure dagger
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Yeah that's why

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Definitely an outlier

austere owl
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so i can see if the same old cheesers work

pure dagger
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Not many ppl play on 250ms

compact oak
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Tom's M1 should have like

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7 damage, up to 15 damage longrange

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Or just make it a consistent 7-9 damage

compact oak
compact oak
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Players move relatively slow and theres no locational damage

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Meaning you can shoot some guys feet and still deal -15 instantly

delicate kelp
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why is rick in b 😭

austere owl
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Irlok still funny as hell when someone wastes a dash

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That said why doesnt tom have a cd on that :(

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aside of bullets

woeful surge
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rigged tier

sand fiber
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good morning chatters

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did I promise anything stupid when I was drunk last night

ornate fulcrum
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first drunk messag

sand fiber
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ah nothing too bad

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good news

polar gulch
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is it intended that garlic automatically shoots fully charged blasts (i swear i could save them up last year)

sand fiber
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yes

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has always been the case

polar gulch
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oh how did i not notice last year lamidrt

sullen sphinx
sand fiber
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i dont remember that

sullen sphinx
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yeah pls do so tho

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its still far too op against the other classes

sand fiber
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10->7 per stack on pay the piper

sullen sphinx
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no clue if that makes it better

pale ibex
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All yahya does is dps and sending people to narnia with the ult, if you kill yahya's dps it become just a narnia's transporter

compact oak
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they should add the Commando class to blizzard brawl

delicate kelp
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yahya needs a complete rework

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way too good

polar gulch
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yahya issue is that it's support but it also deals insane damage

delicate kelp
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yep

compact oak
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i would completely change yahya's shift

delicate kelp
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his lmb attack is also way too big and deals a lot of damage.... I would say, make his lmb attack a smaller hitbox but keep the damage the same. make his debuff better and buff his healing BUT cut his shift damage in half if not more. For his ult I would say just rework that since its too impactful to just remove players with no downside

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this would turn him into a debuffer and healer while removing his damage by a lot

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and with the decreased lmb hitbox it would be harder to build up stacks and that should make the healing from shift balanced

sullen sphinx
compact oak
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I would change Theo's passive

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Wrath of the Twains
On death, create a icy explosion that deals 8 damage and slows nearby enemies.
Effect: 30% Slowness (2s)

azure raft
ornate fulcrum
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tanks create space and make absorbing hits worht it

woeful apex
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garlic my beloved

sand fiber
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very happy with how the victory animation turned out

sullen sphinx
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am i tuff for being solo on na4 on my alt?

woeful apex
woeful surge
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i couldnt bother to buy mvp animations consider shard of the mountains worth a decent LEs

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🥀

woeful apex
compact oak
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Playing on 250ms is painful

woeful surge
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im not spending 30le for 5second aura

woeful apex
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wait uh

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how much is 34 shards worth

sand fiber
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whats the going rate for one shard

woeful apex
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🤷

polar gulch
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surely not

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the cheapest one costs 50 of the smaller currency

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you can get that from like 3 games surely that's not worth half a stack??

sand fiber
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revolutionary new farming method just dropped if so

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then again if supply goes up and demand stays flat price goes down

drowsy isle
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wuh?

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max charge m2 does 50 dmg and stuns

woeful apex
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irlok b?

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on second point u can do the leap and if u have 4 charges u basically kill somone

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only B is ricko imo

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also @sand fiber is this achivement bugged or smth

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ive done like 20 ish games

past mortar
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i got it

woeful apex
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how do u proc it

sand fiber
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kill someone who is dominating you

woeful apex
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oh

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thats why i havent got it

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also pause?

delicate kelp
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1k rating has been achieved 🙏

sand fiber
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gratz

woeful surge
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the bigger one is fragment

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im poor enough to need that le

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also its just the cheapest one the most expensive one cost 20frags 🥀

limpid ether
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idk if anyone has sold frags yet to estbalish a new pricec lol

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just sell to that one guy literally looking for every trinket + HotB

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i guess they are bad at wynn ow or dont like it

woeful apex
past mortar
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they have to kill you multiple times in a row without dying to you

woeful apex
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yeah i did that

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can they not die at all or smth?

limpid ether
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nope

past mortar
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oh at all

sand fiber
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at all

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the reason for this is im lazy blizzard brawl doesnt track assists

woeful apex
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ohhh

delicate kelp
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all im missing is the gawrick achievement but I honestly can't be bothered playing them 😭

woeful apex
delicate kelp
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I don't like the playstyle

woeful apex
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hes also like A~S teir after the buff

woeful apex
drowsy isle
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😔

delicate kelp
drowsy isle
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sr too high so I just kept getting paired against him+some other topfrag

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at some point I unironically got put in a 3v2 game

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like it didn't even show that some guy disconnected

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they just weren't there to begin with

delicate kelp
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😨

drowsy isle
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augh

delicate kelp
drowsy isle
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lemme see how it ended actually

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badly alright

dull dagger
sand fiber
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it is

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should i run a blizzard brawl tournament

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victor_answer_text

yeah

tepid wind
limpid ether
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tblizzard fbrawl

tepid wind
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Yahyas fucking bomb has more aoe than his slam

dull dagger
sand fiber
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pretty much every achievement is a reference to something

tepid wind
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His dash has the aoe of a pea and his melee has weird hit reg he isnt even bad damage wise or anything his hitboxes are just so inconsistent

woeful apex
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im freee

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wait

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wrong screenshot

sand fiber
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gratz

woeful surge
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i think the rating works great

sand fiber
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both years on every achievement?

woeful apex
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uhhh

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all new ones

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iont wanna play theorick

woeful surge
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got a -3 only when i was doing a game that i feel my team isnt at the same lvl to the enemies

tepid wind
limpid ether
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it wi ll forever haunt me

limpid ether
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WHAT

delicate kelp
woeful apex
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uh

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il send ss

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of the 2024 achi

sand fiber
woeful apex
dull dagger
woeful apex
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yeah

sand fiber
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i just sent that one cuz i thought it was fun

sullen sphinx
limpid ether
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oh i have a ll the 2025 ones

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didnt notice i have rasputin

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well later on ig i gotta play theo and irlock (least played classes) for those achievements again

woeful surge
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does gawrick need a survivability nerf
feeling 80hp with a high survivability is too much for him

limpid ether
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they are just really fast

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idk i gotta play more gawrick this eyar

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but yahya is fun maybe better to wait for nerfs since they are stupid

woeful surge
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im just thinking of a 10~20 hp nerf on him not gonna adjust his speed or damage

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by the way yahya dash is so weird i can achive a far range in sandbox but short af in games

drowsy isle
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👍

sand fiber
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gg

drowsy isle
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he got voidshifted on

woeful apex
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gawick and tom were stolen from me as_what

sullen sphinx
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avg yahya player

drowsy isle
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this was garwick

drowsy isle
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i feel less bad now

woeful apex
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i main gawick

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but uh

woeful surge
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Dominator

woeful apex
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old tom with inf range was very fun :>

drowsy isle
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those who hitscan 0 falloff revolver

delicate kelp
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old tom was scary

woeful surge
dull dagger
sand fiber
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no this is bak'al from hypixel skyblock

limpid ether
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dr li gaming

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hailey was great

dull dagger
limpid ether
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garlic 6/7 piper

random swallow
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Please do not hurt my boy Garwick I love him

polar gulch
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garlic deserves all the bread, please no

limpid ether
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i love garlic bread

sand fiber
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Incoming Changes

Dr. Legendary

Mech form now requires at least 10 integrity available to enter

People were [ab]using Dr. Legendary's mech form overhealth blocking any overflow damage by tapping it at 1 integrity just to block a single attack. While this is gameplay which I like and want to encourage, I want to make it less spammable and have people be more aware of their mech's integrity, so the mech form now requires you to have at least 10 integrity active before you can enter it

wraith lintel
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@drowsy isle W

azure raft
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nice

past mortar
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nice change

dull dagger
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when is the market gardener getting addded

polar gulch
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the what

polar gulch
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the what

polar gulch
dull dagger
drowsy isle
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hm

sand fiber
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hm

tepid wind
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Can we continue to nerf yahya thanks 🙏

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Also has the previous changes come out

sand fiber
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soon

tepid wind
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Me thinks yahya shouldnt be able to 1v1 out damage duelists

sand fiber
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play around it

tepid wind
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By

sand fiber
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yahya is very strong only at close-medium range

tepid wind
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What do you want me to do with irlock

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2/3 duelists are close range

sand fiber
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switch like

tepid wind
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Great!

sand fiber
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not every class is perfect at countering every other class

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you need to adapt to the enemy team composition

tepid wind
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Its like hes a support class 🤯

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He feels like a duelist that got slapped into a support role

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The only support he has is dashing into his teammates which is awkward as shit

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Would also be great for irlocks approach if his shift had a greater aoe that .5

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Blocks

woeful apex
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blizzard brawl is actually overwatch now

tepid wind
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Unironically too theres no reason to play rickeo when yahya exists

woeful apex
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poor rickeo

tepid wind
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Atleast with hailey and garwick you can actually solo pick them off

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Yahya just walks down everything

sullen sphinx
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erm i don't think i am supposed to be up there

sand fiber
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why not

sullen sphinx
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idk

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odd position

sand fiber
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it's part of the map

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see that mountain? you can climb it

sullen sphinx
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in a game

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not the lobby

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on that middle thing

sand fiber
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yeah

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anywhere in the map is fair game

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I removed barriers this year

sullen sphinx
regal tendon
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i joined bb and my entire minecraft became a shadow realm

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what the fuck

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sorry to whatever party i joined

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i apologize (its not my fault)

sand fiber
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what the helly

sand fiber
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Changes are rolling out soon 🫡

pure dagger
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:o

past mortar
sand fiber
wraith lintel
regal tendon
wraith lintel
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Incoming changes

Yahya
Damage/healing per stack of afflicted on shift: 10->7
It's no longer possible to use the /kill command while trapped in Yahya's ult
Yahya will no longer gain Ultimate Charge (via any means) while someone is trapped in his Ultimate

Dr. Legendary
Mech form now requires at least 10 integrity available to enter

People were [ab]using Dr. Legendary's mech form overhealth blocking any overflow damage by tapping it at 1 integrity just to block a single attack. While this is gameplay which I like and want to encourage, I want to make it less spammable and have people be more aware of their mech's integrity, so the mech form now requires you to have at least 10 integrity active before you can enter it

Other
Fixed at least one bug where games could be reset slightly too early allowing them to be stuck in a weird half-reset state (if other players queued into your world)
Fixed at least one thing which could cause a true wynncraft death

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Dr L and Yahya getting the lion's share of balancing 🔥

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stay winning

grave umbra
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@sand fiber for li mech ult does it count you as on the point if u are on the rocket and like hovering abkve the point or nah

wraith lintel
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only if your 5 blocks or below

sand fiber
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uhh i would guess no

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but im not sure

grave umbra
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Yeah i was gunna test later but js wantes to know

sand fiber
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huge tech if so i fear

wraith lintel
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top stall tank

grave umbra
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Also can mech colllide with enemy players head on or does it need to collid with blocks

sand fiber
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must collide with blocks

grave umbra
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Ok cooll so if this tech is real then it migjt be super funnt stall lol

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Idt if it woukd be worth nujinf thoifh

wraith lintel
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balance patch number 67

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dr legendary uninteded mechanic too strong, removing

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also fixed game breaking game bug

sand fiber
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i think u r gonna find it too hard probably to steer the ult above a point for that long

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but it would be funny if it works

grave umbra
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Yeah jt woukd onlt be suler useable on like 2nd pt and mabye mid pt

wraith lintel
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use a gaming mouse to get a massively high dpi setting and just jank spin above point

drowsy isle
sand fiber
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but i put some stuff in this patch which should make it a bit easier for me to debug

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if ppl send me clipz

limpid ether
wraith lintel
limpid ether
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If the latter are alr in game ill update pin

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Ok!!

past mortar
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yahya damage nerf omg 🙏

sand fiber
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game unplayable

past mortar
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pregnant man jumpscare

sand fiber
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how could sockmower do this to me

past mortar
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i wonder if swapping to yahya will still be considered toxic after this patch 🤔

wraith lintel
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Get d-d-dominated!

sand fiber
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Announcing: THE BLIZZARD BRAWL CLIP CONTEST

-# 7.25STX of prizes up for grabs! First place prize: 4stx. Second: 2stx48le & third: 1stx32le
-# Current sponsors: Luuk (5stx), Ender C Law (1.25stx), Sock Mower (1stx)
Send in your coolest clips from the event! After the festival ends, I'll select my top 3 favourite clips.

Rules:

  • Clips are ideally shorter than 10 seconds (but if you have a very cool long clip that's fine)
  • Clips should be recorded in pfinder matches
  • No more than 5 clips per person
  • You must supply an unedited video of your clip (but you can also supply an edited version if you want with MLG sound effects or something, I might add or subtract bonus points for doing that)

Expect bonus points for:

  • Good teamwork
  • Aura farming
  • High IQ plays
  • Funny moments
  • Amusing editing

Send in your clips here! And good luck! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSexxVfWNBZRxktPJ9oUzurVOhQNc8PJXqx896KSG_JLE2JcDA/viewform?usp=publish-editor

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@limpid ether pin that shit

grave umbra
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1 stacker

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On my dog the doomish triple bhole clip is going in

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I gues i will submit my day1 li nuke clip 2

azure raft
grave umbra
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Who up donating le for this competition so it isnt 1stx

sand fiber
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if u wanna donate money for the prize fund feel free lol

grave umbra
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I will see how much le i hage i meed to save some for the autosmord thread

woeful apex
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il donate like half a stack if we can get a yhaya nerf soon ish

sand fiber
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i dont take bribes

compact oak
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Does SR affect matchmaking

tepid wind
unborn meadow
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You’d run into people

compact oak
unborn meadow
compact oak
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Dont tell me this game have SBMM

grave umbra
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I think sr obly impacts team making in premades/mabye in actusl games too not quee times

sand fiber
grave umbra
compact oak
sand fiber
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you can flex with it

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it does affect the composition of teams within the group of 6 people

compact oak
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I wish brawl was a bit more played in Asia

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Playing in NA with 250ms is ass

sand fiber
dull dagger
compact oak
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🥺

sand fiber
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settings npc

grave umbra
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@sand fiber

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after i came back to map i just shifted to activate mech and got my weapon back

sand fiber
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now we're getting somewhere

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i have something to go off

grave umbra
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goat

regal tendon
sand fiber
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ah yes I see the issue

grave umbra
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the message debugger

sand fiber
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Incoming Changes

Yahya

Fixed an issue where weapons could be randomly removed when entering The Laboratory

woeful surge
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omg finally

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also dr leg’s huge downfall gg

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I wonder when will be gawricks

sand fiber
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because he switches weapon items on form change

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anyway looks like the new patch is rollin on out

sand fiber
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easiest maze ever

crystal thicket
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can the bullets from tom also continue inside of the user’s hitbox, because the rmb just completely misses when you’re at point blank range

dapper prawn
crystal thicket
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you like cannot land bullets on people if they’re at point blank range, i’ve noticed this pretty often

grave umbra
crystal thicket
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and also tom’s rmb feels janky rn because i’ve been missing a lot of right clicks when i was within the 8 block range while aiming directly at people but the bullets somehow don’t land on them

sand fiber
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this might be a ping issue on your side

crystal thicket
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i have 12ms average

grave umbra
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i also had issues on sanbox with hitting rmb poiont blakc

crystal thicket
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rmb keeps missing in situations where it shouldn’t, and that’s including the new range cap

sand fiber
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the bullets absolutely do go through hitboxes at pt blank, idk what to tell you

crystal thicket
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idk when i have like an irlok or yahya running down on me i legit miss like 2 rmbs when they’re right in front of me

tepid wind
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i need to test this mroe tho

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i dont think it hits if your like less than a block infront of them

grave umbra
tepid wind
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also why is yahyas main attack speed so fast

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i just realized

sand fiber
grave umbra
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yeah m1 yahya is good dps too

drowsy isle
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@sand fiber me 2

sand fiber
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yep - fixed for next push

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ty for reports all

crystal thicket
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also quick nitpick but can you include in the rmb description for tom that it does kb if you are off the ground

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just noticed it never said this in the description

sand fiber
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lmfao i just left this in there

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whoops.

tepid wind
drowsy isle
tepid wind
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probably the aoe of his heal on the dash and maybe add a heal to his bomb idrk

sand fiber
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im gonna give it a day or two for the nerfs to settle and we'll see how people feel

clear spear
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Needs more Yahya nerfsDoge

tepid wind
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5 damage fast main attack 34 damage and heal 16 damage bomb which can hit through walls

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that is not a support gang

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hes a duelist labelled a support

drowsy isle
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garwick:

tepid wind
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garwick just needs an hp nerf

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everything else is fine

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irlock needs an aoe buff on pretty much everything except the ult

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rickeo is pretty good theres just no reason to run him over yahya

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tom is fine after nerfs

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oh theorick maybe can get a projectile speed boost on his m1 thats abt it

sand fiber
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im gonna give it a day or two

tepid wind
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you do you!

sharp finch
sand fiber
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yes

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fixed for next push

wraith lintel
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ITS HERE AND REAL

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ngl the 10 intergrity dr L thing does not feel too bad

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we chillin

woeful surge
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it barely hits

tepid wind
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And thats like the most situational shit ever

tepid wind
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His dash also has like fucking 0 aoe

woeful surge
tepid wind
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Thats what i do

woeful surge
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kick is silly i hope it is more controllable

tepid wind
wraith lintel
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chat HOW are we dealing with strong garlic players atm

tepid wind
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Ignore them

woeful surge
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scream nerf gawrick to sock every minutes

tepid wind
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Garwick is more bareable than yahya

wraith lintel
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hows it

tepid wind
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Also garwick takes wayy more skill

tepid wind
wraith lintel
tepid wind
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Yahya 2% damage nerf after terrorizing pfinder for the next 2 days

woeful surge
wraith lintel
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f1 racing ass players

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zoom past me again and again and again

woeful surge
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bro is ping affecting yahya dash

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i saw a guy dashes so far

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mine just doesnt hit even i passed thoruhg that guy

tepid wind
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You can definitely tell the difference between a good and a bad garwick

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Yahya actually takes like 4 braincells

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Garwick just needs a hp nerf inexchange for the survivability he has

wraith lintel
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Dr L can stand in the red areas to force combat in small tight corridors to land more rockets and contest point (1 is better to avoid getting knocked off, 2 is better for health pack access)

woeful surge
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ok bruh i found it yahya need to press shift during dash

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thats why mine was too short

wraith lintel
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silly goose

woeful surge
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rickeo doesnt need smhsmh

wraith lintel
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and to all the gawricks out there, love the TP placement to get us to C in a second

woeful surge
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xd

woeful surge
wraith lintel
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Is it crazy to say that I like the human mode ultimate so much more over the mech mods

crystal thicket
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also why is hindersnare labeled as an explosive when you have to hit players directly with it and has no aoe

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this ability is kind of underwhelming when you have to hit players directly with it

woeful surge
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the slowness is pretty strong

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just does not make diff if you already aims every shot

woeful surge
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got another good clip

random swallow
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Why does Yahya shift go higher than irlock max harmony

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I think a lot of my frustrations with being against this character is the vertical mobility it has

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Please make it like hover booster instead so there is no up/down control </3

dapper prawn
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shhh keep the amazing movement on the DL

random swallow
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No number change will make Yahya feel balanced to me while he has so much mobility

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Why does he go higher than ult boosted max harmony irlock

dapper prawn
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his whole kit is more geared towards DPS with some heal/antiheal slapped on to kinda fit him as a support

random swallow
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But his teammates arent UP

dapper prawn
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i think he should be moved

random swallow
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Rickeo does not go up, dr li gets put on the same Y plane

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This guy can wiggle around in such an unpredictable manner on all 3 axis

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Yahya mobility is definitely not 3/5, at least 4/5 to match irlock (that he surpasses in verticality)

random swallow
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so i will be upset about this

grave umbra
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🤯

grave umbra
grave umbra
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I was gunma test it but its pron fastee to js @drowsy isle does thr cd for shift cast start as soon as u starte dash or as soon as u end it?

limpid ether
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Comapring to rikeo movement it so ass

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Besides insta charge but you hold for so long and gain so little distance that tou always wanna insta charge

grave umbra
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Evil rickeo

random swallow
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please add a sound for the anticipation of yahya shift

drowsy isle
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also yahya cant be stunned out of ult

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its actually bad to stun yahya out of ult

grave umbra
drowsy isle
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because it removes the particle warning

random swallow
grave umbra
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Yeah

woeful surge
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Yahya ult is a guaranteed idk why it needs charged

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you can even keep it after death sometimes lol

thin topaz
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unrelated to the actual gameplay of bb, yahya is the only hero that doesnt get a trinket. is that intentional or was there not enough time

woeful surge
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Rickeo and irlok:

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nvm freefall is irlok(it’s a wand?)

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rickeo and gawrick:

thin topaz
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nvm i suck at remembering things

drowsy isle
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actually how is sr calculated

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confidential?

limpid ether
tepid wind
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Cant lie dr lis overhealth gain is still too much

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Also irloks ult kb getting nullified by dr li helicopter/m2 in mech and yahyas m2 is hella tragic

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Pretty sure rickeos dash too

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Especially considering you can take kb in irloks ground slam

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Also his ground slam is pretty mcuh perma 8ish damage cause its way to situational to get enough height

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His m1 also is a slow projectile for some reason even tho its a close range melee

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Also his m2 hitbox is ass

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Idk man the more i play him the more issues i find

tepid wind
compact oak
#

Have anyone done a 360 midair noscope yet

limpid ether
#

wish it was faster

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thats the one buff i would give em i think they are balanced besides that

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just yahya boxing em out

tepid wind
#

But his whip is pretty slow

limpid ether
#

oh

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sorry i dont have any real irlock experience

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or intent

tepid wind
#

I do agree with you tho

grave umbra
# tepid wind Cant lie dr lis overhealth gain is still too much

Like his self overhealth? As li main i think irlok can nuke it pretty easily with like 3-4 harmony which isnt that hard to get with lis big ass hitbox plus u can negstve the slam dmg combo with the shift
I dont have much irlok expwrince butt when i did try him out a bjt the m1 did feel a bjt goofy

tepid wind
#

I think rikeos m1 is fine

tepid wind
grave umbra
#

1984ed

grave umbra
tepid wind
#

Also 3-4 harmony is 16-or 20 dmg + melee at the end which is 30

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So like

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Crazy nuke

grave umbra
#

When iwas trying it in a 1v1 in sanbox against like a reguls fella it was kind of weird but i think im alsonjs not jsed to it

tepid wind
#

Also anyone using li has really good movement anyways

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If your using him correctly

grave umbra
#

True

grave umbra
#

I thinka good irlok can stikk consistnelt deal with li tho cuz of just being able to rmb nuke into a wall on most areas

tepid wind
#

I dont play li so like i do not jnow what it is but i saw like 36-40 on mech

grave umbra
#

Like i have been m1ed out of mt mech and then nuked by rmb a decent amnt kf times or just got my mech shredded by rmb and had to run away and be uselss for a while

tepid wind
#
  • you have to hit the pea sized aoe dash
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  • you have to respect li in mech cause m2 nukes you
grave umbra
tepid wind
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Its a lil nutty

grave umbra
#

Mayb too nuts but idk what nerf to give besides like chsnging how overhealth works

tepid wind
#

Situational king

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His ground slam is hella situational too

grave umbra
#

Yeah i am js saying what has happened to me when i fight somewhat competent irloks

tepid wind
#

Its just situational

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  • dr li has 2 counters to his ult lols
grave umbra
#

I think ground slam is better for like distance or lkke dodging the mech slam

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A bjt silly

tepid wind
#

Yeah i stopped using it for damage i just use it to get out

grave umbra
#

Yah

tepid wind
#

Which is sad but it is what it is

grave umbra
#

I think u r supposed to rmb into the air and then freefall slam but aftee its nerfs last uear idk the slam is worth jt most ofnthe tjme

tepid wind
#

Max slam damage is 30

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Its basically get harmony with your goofy ass m1 hit reg then hope the m2s small ass hitbox hits someone then maybe they hit a wall or fall into the void

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Also sometimes people end up taking 0 kb

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They like clip into blocks

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Irs weird

grave umbra
#

yeah i have been lagged back a couple of times on slabs/stairs on the ground lol

tepid wind
#

Also sometimes the m2 stops my momentum on hit some times i hit someone and keep flying past them

tepid wind
drowsy isle
#

wynncraft problem

tepid wind
#

Yeah

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Its unfortunate

drowsy isle
#

donate 5 billion vbucks to sockmower organization so he can afford to fix the issues

tepid wind
#

But anyways i think irloks m1 should be hitscan

drowsy isle
#

eh projectile is fine

tepid wind
#

That is all

drowsy isle
#

skissue

tepid wind
#

No its not

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You can be inside of someone and miss

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Why is close range melee a projectile 💀

drowsy isle
#

cause it has a 7 block range

tepid wind
#

Unless their an npc stnading still you have to aim to the right

tepid wind
#

No way

drowsy isle
#

it is unironically like

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6 to 7 blocks

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i shit you not

sullen sphinx
tepid wind
#

Unless the projectile is like stupid as shit

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Its like 3-4 max

sullen sphinx
#

Go in a sandbox, steal guild mate and test it out

drowsy isle
#

test it

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tested it just like

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3 hours earlier

tepid wind
#

Also it doesnt even matter cause by the time it reaches max blocks if the enemy is moving it doesnt hit

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Cause its slow

drowsy isle
#

sounds like excuses

tepid wind
#

??

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Yeah this is not 7 blcoks 😭😭

drowsy isle
#

oh yeah and uh slightly bigger problem @sand fiber idk if u saw

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theres the thing where yahya ult stun doesnt work

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(it removes the visible aiming reticle but the beam is still there)

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but also

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if yahya hits f to start the beam

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they can farm ult charge

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by just not shooting the beam

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so hit f to charge beam

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do pvp and farm like 30% ult charge or more

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beam someone

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and now ur 30% to next ult

tepid wind
#

It feels like 5

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In game

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Maybe 4

drowsy isle
#

are u sandboxing it

grave umbra
#

it looks really long in sanbox yeah

tepid wind
#

Im doing it in game

drowsy isle
#

sandbox it

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unless....

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u dont have friends

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.....

grave umbra
#

u can sanbox solo to see the partcile range

tepid wind
#

They are raiding

drowsy isle
grave umbra
#

i js partied u

dapper prawn
#

enable BB classes in raids

tepid wind
#

Irs 5 hlocks

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5.5

drowsy isle
#

rounds to 6

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👍

tepid wind
#

Thats not 7 vro

drowsy isle
#

6 to 7

tepid wind
#

Also i have to aim up at their head

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Premium cap

unborn meadow
#

it is 7, maximum range

tepid wind
#

Its just not 7

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Im doing it in game

unborn meadow
#

it is

tepid wind
#

Its not im doing it rn

drowsy isle
#

fight fight fight

tepid wind
#

Lmao what is this cap bro

unborn meadow
#

alr lemme describe the testing process

grave umbra
#

we testing it rn it sliek 5 blocka

unborn meadow
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be in party with someone
mark them with a beacon on wynntils
move away from them until the number says 7m
you will be able to hit them, just barely, from that point

note: wynntils likely includes the blocks that are being stood on as part of the total distance

meaning that the effective range would be 5 blocks, but the total range (from one player's head to another) would be 7

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@tepid wind

grave umbra
#

yeah so same thjign as what we said basicallycool

lucid latch
#

I was wondering why Yahya beam felt so inconsistent and impossible to hit

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I’ve also literally point blank shot that thing at people, and it didn’t do anything

unborn meadow
drowsy isle
#

very thin projectile

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also very short range

unborn meadow
#

also has bullet drop 🥀

drowsy isle
#

that i dont think it has

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the beam is ult not m1

unborn meadow
#

ah

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my mistake i got mildly confused

proven nest
#

what were the balance changes for blizzard brawl?

unborn meadow
#

(a common occurance)

drowsy isle
#

yahya down to 7 per stack instead of 10

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ult cannot be charged while actively trapping someone

proven nest
#

any nerfs to gawrick?

unborn meadow
#

dont think so

proven nest
#

rip

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also am i just stupid did hailey always have speed boost?

tepid wind
unborn meadow
#

same as mech m2

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if you miss you miss

drowsy isle
#

its weird but it is consistent

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unlike theo m1

past mortar
unborn meadow
#

theo m1 mentioned

tepid wind
#

You dont have to aim

drowsy isle
#

wait ive queued u before

unborn meadow
drowsy isle
#

i remember now

tepid wind
#

So what are we getting at here 😭😭

drowsy isle
#

nothin

tepid wind
#

Who me

drowsy isle
#

yeah u

tepid wind
#

The only time we queued you were invisible and had 2 classes

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💀💀💀

#

Fuck are you on about

grave umbra
#

i saW what you deleted

unborn meadow
#

i saw that

past mortar
#

toxic smh

drowsy isle
#

those who saw

unborn meadow
#

those who snow

past mortar
#

bbrawl cannot be this serious

drowsy isle
#

it didnt happen

unborn meadow
drowsy isle
#

it didnt snow

drowsy isle
#

back to it tho

#

irlok m1 is fine

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if it was made hitscan it would need its range cut down to 3

unborn meadow
tepid wind
#

I would take that trade

unborn meadow
#

(i suck ass at all classes)

grave umbra
tepid wind
#

It barely hirs 7 blocks unless their standing still

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Past 5 blocks is useless if they have more than 7 brain cells

drowsy isle
#

it would also make it impossible for him to give chase

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ever

grave umbra
#

a sword weapon being a projectile in disguise is not intuitive frfr

past mortar
#

idt irlok melee is that hard to hit

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unless its like

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gawrick but thats its own thing

grave umbra
#

why does harnomy stacks not show u nless uhave more than one btw

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a little stupidd

drowsy isle
#

it wacky

tepid wind
#

And ass

drowsy isle
#

no it aint

unborn meadow
#

its all practice

tepid wind
#

You have to lead a whole block on a melee

drowsy isle
#

and

grave umbra
#

its consistent but just unintuitive/weird to use till u realize its a projectile

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which could probv be c hanged for newerplayers

tepid wind
#

Shits ass unironically

drowsy isle
#

if u want hitscan so much go play tom

unborn meadow
tepid wind
#

They are 2 wildly diff characters

drowsy isle
#

u want hitscan

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he has hitscan

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m1s are ass for irlok

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well toms do 40% more

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m2 is inconsistent

tepid wind
drowsy isle
#

ok well toms is also just as bad so fair enough

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so no point there

unborn meadow
tepid wind
#

I just disagree

drowsy isle
#

with what

unborn meadow
#

fair enough man

drowsy isle
#

tom m2 being incosistent

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or the m1 being jank for irlok

tepid wind
#

No im talking about irlok

drowsy isle
#

well hey play with him for like

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a few more hours

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and learn 2 lead

tepid wind
#

Ive onlynplayed him

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For like 1000 sr

drowsy isle
#

ok

tepid wind
#

Cheers mate

drowsy isle
#

👍

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well gl with ur irlok adventures

tepid wind
#

I mean his m1 is still ass

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Do any of you actually play irlok a lot

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Or are we going off 5 block reach on standing still target off sandbox

drowsy isle
#

second most played

tepid wind
#

And you think his kit is fine

proven nest
#

so whats the new meta?

tepid wind
#

💀

drowsy isle
tepid wind
#

Where would you rank him

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Among the group

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Outta curiousity

drowsy isle
#

s+: yahya
s: dr legendary, garwick, tom
a: hailey, rickeo, irlok
b:
c:
d:
f: theorick

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irlok might be up 1 tier

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dont think he deserves to be in rickeo level anymore

tepid wind
#

You think irlock is as good as garwick tom or dr legendary

drowsy isle
#

which is why i said might

tepid wind
#

Or even close to hailey

drowsy isle
#

hes not at their level exactly

tepid wind
#

Delulu land

drowsy isle
#

but not same level as hailey or rickeo

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hailey when i chase her down with yahya:

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or garwick

tepid wind
#

Maybe cause

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Yahya is overtuned 🤯🤯

proven nest
#

garwick is just near immortal

drowsy isle
#

right now currently

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this is somewhat my standings

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yknwo what lemme rework

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s+: yahya
s: dr legendary, garwick, tom
s-: irlok
a: hailey, rickeo
b:
c:
d:
f: theorick

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theorick is in theory a good answer to the top dawgs

#

but his m1 is cheeks

tepid wind
#

You think irlok with his 8 dmg slam is good

#

And an ult that gets countered by half of the top meta characters

drowsy isle
#

the slam is a top tier engage tool

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if ur using it as a max dmg slam

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then gg

tepid wind
proven nest
#

30 dmg aoe gg

drowsy isle
#

slam damage is cosmetic

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the mobility is the good part

#

hit shift at someone within 10 blocks at you and aim your slam correctly

hollow basin
#

I dont like how hailey's lmb and rmb are swapped of normal characters

drowsy isle
#

and now you are in front of them

hollow basin
#

💔

drowsy isle
#

no windup like rickeo or yahya

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no boosters like li

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you also move pretty quickly

tepid wind
#

And theirs dont get cancled by kb

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And fo dmg

drowsy isle
tepid wind
#

You named them 💀

drowsy isle
#

and who tf is kbing irlok out of his horizontal slame

#

yeah and need windup

tepid wind
#

The wind up is milliseconds

drowsy isle
#

oh no the rickeo is shifting at me

#

let me move away

drowsy isle
#

yahya is like 500ms

tepid wind
#

It is tho

drowsy isle
#

actually no

#

500 exactly

tepid wind
#

Yeah

#

Wow dude 500 milliseconds

drowsy isle
#

rickeo is like 1 second +

#

500 ms vs literally instant

tepid wind
#

Goes farther and higher

#

And does dmg

#

And stuns them in palce

#

In the air

proven nest
#

dr legendary just has wayyyy too much going on

drowsy isle
#

except you just

proven nest
#

to be balanced

drowsy isle
#

shoot them

#

theorick horizontally slams via an arc

tepid wind
#

Theoric

drowsy isle
#

whoops

#

irlok

#

moot point

tepid wind
#

Yk you take time to land

#

Right

drowsy isle
#

yeah

#

on them

tepid wind
#

They can move

#

Unless they are special and cant see the flying man jumping on them

drowsy isle
#

except the guy doesnt fly?

tepid wind
#

Jumping man

drowsy isle
#

guess how long this movement takes

#

lemme get an overhead pov

#

red dot is irlok

#

since 2d cant represent the difference on the z axis

austere owl
#

Irlok dmg doesnt matter if his goal is to void you

#

4+harmony trip to the skies

drowsy isle
#

irlok damage on slam doesnt matter if his goal is to m1 you twice and pin you into the wall for 50 damage and a stun

austere owl
#

I am not a fan of wall hitboxes i will aim diagonally up

drowsy isle
#

slam comes with benefit of hitstun

austere owl
#

and guess where that sends people like

drowsy isle
#

back 2 spawn

#

if you are playing irlok like prenerf 2024

#

that is a fundemental lack of media comprehension

austere owl
#

I never changed my irlok playstyle

#

its literally void 20/20

#

ok i lied aside of the time release irlok was around

drowsy isle
#

prenerf 2024 was when one harmony would send you 20 blocks up

#

2 harmony was the skybox

#

and then 50 damage max scaling slam

austere owl
#

That was dumb ye

#

Slam melee=5harmony punch

proven nest
#

praying for a dr legendary nerf

austere owl
#

Im praying for mobility nerfs except irlok

drowsy isle
#

eh li is

grave umbra
drowsy isle
#

well not the easiest to deal with

grave umbra
drowsy isle
#

but if u are aware of his lethal range + have ears

proven nest
grave umbra
#

doomish guess w ho i just finished a game with...

drowsy isle
#

he is managable

drowsy isle
austere owl
#

If li wastes hover he isnt coming back

grave umbra
drowsy isle
#

gg

grave umbra
#

and merch was on my team and was typig her efor 3 poitns cuz u weere yapping

drowsy isle
#

did u stomp

#

oh wait

proven nest
drowsy isle
#

thats why ignavis is asking for li nerf

proven nest
#

hes fucking dumb

drowsy isle
#

queued into rank 1 li lmao

grave umbra
#

the stacking abuse is gone

#

i am nOt #1 i am qwahed asnd hands r cold

drowsy isle
#

either ur rank 1 or rank 2

grave umbra
#

rmb does like 24 dmg om direct contact

austere owl
#

i will play if i wernt at an airport

tepid wind
drowsy isle
#

enderclaw can duel u for the position

drowsy isle
austere owl
#

gimme a few hours and maybe i can play a few games afterwards

tepid wind
#

Im timing it

drowsy isle
#

1 second if u decide to arc up at a like

#

60 degree angle

tepid wind
#

Its 900ms to a second facing forward

#

Im in sandbox testing it

austere owl
#

then diagonal up into the void

grave umbra
tepid wind
#

And this is me being generous starting the time after i shift

grave umbra
#

heli is honeslty kind of nuts i cant lie

#

it is very nice escape tool but requires u to hit shots i cani see it possibly reqwuiring liek 3 full shots to get

proven nest
drowsy isle
tepid wind
#

Nah im facing straight up into the sun

grave umbra
tepid wind
#

What do you think facing forwards means

drowsy isle
#

being a brick

grave umbra
#

theres not much that u can do about that

proven nest
#

just insanely fast flying characters lol

austere owl
#

anyways my tft craze came back so playtime is dropping anyways

drowsy isle
#

lemme go get a clip rq

austere owl
#

So how many bb contests are going on

tepid wind
#

Failing to see how irlock is comparible to tom garwick or li

austere owl
#

i could probs trash a few stacks into em to see something dumb specifically

austere owl
tepid wind
#

Wait and b and ult them

#

Ez wins

#

Unless the li or tom or garwick is smart

austere owl
#

gawrick wastes portal to mid boom hes dead

tepid wind
#

Even tom if you get unlucky with the kb

austere owl
#

tom u gotta aim p precise and pray they cant maneuver ye

austere owl
#

the faster tom flip shotguns to kill momentum worse it gets

drowsy isle
#

88 damage combo of doom and despair

tepid wind
#

88 combo if your enemy is standing infront of a wall

#

And they arent mvoing and you manage to hit dahs

#

Situational man 🔥🔥

drowsy isle
#

wait how is managing to hit the dash

tepid wind
drowsy isle
#

situational

#

?

tepid wind
#

The situational is the wall mainly

austere owl
#

The void however isnt that situational unless a/e

tepid wind
#

Dash is not that much but like if their moving its not very easy

drowsy isle
#

lets see how many walls you can slam someone into at max harmony

#

at point a there are

#

the pillars

austere owl
#

the wall hitbox was jank last season

drowsy isle
#

the outerwalls

#

the void

#

the tunnels underneath

tepid wind
#

Well see

#

You have to

#

Get max harmony

austere owl
#

A/E plenty of walls

drowsy isle
#

the healthpack entirely encompassed in stone

#

which is 2 m1's

tepid wind
#

Get an oppnenet into the wal

#

And they have to not clip into it

austere owl
#

you can slam auto punch and punch auto harvest a harmony

drowsy isle
#

5 harmony makes any m2 a wall

#

either a wall or the void

austere owl
#

Irlok healing doesnt feel like it exists but aside of that

drowsy isle
#

only reason you dont slam someone into the wall or the void

#

is to either guarentee a finisher

#

or if youre about to die yourself

austere owl
#

you can kinda die punching

#

funny

tepid wind
#

Or the wall

#

💀

drowsy isle
#

accept party invite and we test sandbox

tepid wind
#

Sandbox doesnt mean shit

#

Translate it to a fame

#

Game

#

Its like being a creative warrior

drowsy isle
#

so by that logic

#

pvp practice doesnt mean anything unless youre in a uhc game

tepid wind
#

I mean uhc has more skills than pvp

#

Pvp is definitely one aspect to uhc

drowsy isle
#

ok so then whats the harm

#

test realistic in game interactions

#

shrimple

tepid wind
#

Sand boxing against a standing still character doesnr apply to in game

drowsy isle
#

then dont stand still?

tepid wind
#

Thats the point

drowsy isle
#

?

tepid wind
#

Okay here

#

Ill come

#

Invite me

austere owl
#

Anyways airplane mode time

drowsy isle
#

well

#

tldr

#

irlok is

#

well

#

id put him tom level

#

raw stats aint everything

#

and this was only one pfinder case

#

but

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯