#Is constructive feedback helpful?

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languid smelt
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Personally I think constructive feedback is too chaotic. It feels as if most ideas/complaints aren't heard simply due to the mass amount of posts.

Certainly, its better than nothing. However would there be a better way to go about this? Is Wynncraft even in a spot to take community suggestions in the first place? What would be a better alternative for the CT, Devs, and Mods?

muted prairie
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Bias to negativity, plenty good has come of this forum overtime and as of recent

empty charm
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I will have to say, they have been reading it a lot more often as of late

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in the past few months, way more cf suggestions have been added to the game

raw pecan
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every now and then you have someone like my who just posts what it's felt like playing trickster for a while or whatever

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no responses, but still feedback
I don't like malmock as well as some of the debuffs but otherwise really like the archetype!

ember gazelle
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id say a lot of changes were made or reverted for the better thanks to the community that they need to keep the game alive so yes wynn is in a spot to take community suggestions

jolly hemlock
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I mean Constructive Feedback can be helpful, like 30% of the time
I would say then 20% is just "suggestions to said issue" or "suggesting new things"
then 50% is complaining/troll/something dumb maybe?

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and complaints are over something like skill issues mainly

ember gazelle
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CT that actually come in here to gather whats constructive while dealing with the trolls and ass takes deserve a lot of respect

raven terrace
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conveniently like 2/3 of feedback can be dismissed at a quick glance so it's not actually a gigantic amount of meaningful feedback lol

rain flax
slim vault
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CT taking time to look at community feedback is actually amazing in terms of most game CT's

ember gazelle
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the funny thing is that even when a post is terrible it sparks discussion that can give rise to smart people giving good takes

slim vault
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Many games take none or barely any feedback

ember gazelle
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and CT are there to hear that a lot of the time

severe bison
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part of the appeal of reading cf posts is to see what posts end up turning into changes in update changelogs

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just because not all of them get replied to doesn't mean they're not acknowledged me thinks

slim vault
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Also I like seeing some of the bad posts, they are funny to read

ember gazelle
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best part of CF

severe bison
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some cf threads are just peak cinema

raw pecan
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I think I gave a feedback post suggesting a MID for grimtrap several months back
something about it having its base DPS lowered slightly, but then doing 5% more damage fore every debuff the enemy had...
hm, if only that was in the game in some form right now!

slim vault
raw pecan
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so yeah this channel is useful

ember gazelle
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i should make the post claiming assassin is the worst class in the game, and the community is partial to blame

slim vault
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Bmonk nerf when?

severe bison
ember gazelle
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it'll get instantly shut down cuz the shitpost has already been done at least 2 times 😭

severe bison
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TWICE???
I only know of the warrior one, there was another?

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and ofc the mage one but that's... not a shitpost funnily enough

ember gazelle
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its not a shitpost, its posting shit

severe bison
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okay fair

ember gazelle
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on the topic of this thread maybe CF mutes should be handed more liberally

severe bison
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true

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in cases of ragebait or cookiecutter anni lag post

ember gazelle
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also mute lovebait posts where they just compliment the game for no reason i hate those.

muted prairie
severe bison
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true
not all feedback needs to be negative

ember gazelle
severe bison
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sometimes it's good to say "hey look at this. this is good. do more of this. more good is good."

muted prairie
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You'll see a regular mute more often for derailing than a constructive feedback mute which is perfectly fine

ember gazelle
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i was joking 😭

raw pecan
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give negative and positive
say "I like X and X and X about this archetype"
but then also say
"This part of the archetype sucks hard and whoever designed it belongs in a mental care facility"
these instructions will surely let you get along with everyone on the Ability Team without any hurt feelings, guaranteed

ember gazelle
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some changes do feel like that sometimes

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half of them u warm up to over time the other not so much

paper wing
raw pecan
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in all seriousness though
if you think part of an archetype is flawed in some way
explain why you feel it is flawed instead of just saying it sucks
you can try to suggest a solution or you can not try, it doesn't really matter as much as calling attention to the issue in the first place

severe bison
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also the "read title" posts, it's such a small thing but it infuriates me a little

paper wing
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is wall of text bad or no?

severe bison
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can be

muted prairie
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As long as the summary AI gets everything down right it's good

paper wing
severe bison
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I don't care how menial it is, you have to be constructive

sweet carbon
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You repost the same exact thread like every other week

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It gets tiring to see

paper wing
sweet carbon
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Yes you

muted prairie
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I think I've seen like 3 relic ones so far

paper wing
severe bison
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yeah, seeing a wall of text that is a repeat of the previous wall of text gets... tiring
and I don't bother reading them anymore because they're so wall-y

raw pecan
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take malmock for example
it has a little bit of burst damage, not a lot, but it's not meant to be a damage vehicle so that's fine
it gives debuffs right? those are good for noxious, and aid in your damage and survivability!
well...
Distraction and Drained are both obviously meant to help protect against the chip damage Trickster is encouraged to constantly take, but you don't get them (or any other debuffs) on the first cycle, meaning you just... take the chip damage with little to no means of recovery outside of hpr or ls from items, or a healer ally who negates the downside altogether anyways
in other words, trickster has been given all these cool debuff tools (most of them are cool tools anyways), but aren't allowed to use them in a first cycle, meaning they need a lot of prep time in the middle of a group of enemies, where the AOE reach is best for them because of how spin/echo works
see I could've just said malmock sucks but I instead took the time to explain why I don't like it and often path specifically to avoid it

paper wing
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I have tried not repeating subjects for the past several months... A few times I was told to split them.

severe bison
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okay, what's the reason to do that though
explain that in the thread!!

raw pecan
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oh and for the positive
uh
clones are fantastic, love them!
I just wish malmock didn't do everything it was designed to do too late

severe bison
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idc if it sounds like talking to a baby, explain!!! talk!!! be constructive!!!

raw pecan
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I thought your pfp was an apple
now I look closer, I notice it is a pomegranate

severe bison
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I thought it was a radish at first but then I realized it was a pomegranate

raw pecan
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pomegranates are tasty and relatively uncommon I like your pfp

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just don't bite directly into one you're supposed to chew the seed skins

severe bison
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brevity is nice but like... being too brief is also an issue
life's a game of balance, everything's a game of balance

craggy token
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i think the devs/ct read constructive feedback more than you realize it. like. a lot more they just dont comment on it

raw pecan
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-# I'm still not over that my Grimtrap MID suggestion made it in as Trickster's final red node lol
-# they really do listen

paper wing
left prairie
ionic eagle
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i appreciate ct reading and responding to cf. i think the good gets overshadowed by the bad pretty often but i will say that they make a genuine effort. i added onto a cf thread pretty recently and it was responded to + resolved super quickly

severe bison
craggy token
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for people who are lazy

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raw pecan
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I clicked and now my constructive feedback thing says I have 222 new posts to look at

muted prairie
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That one's surprising considering the moment region expansion released they said it'd be monitored, unlucky

mortal tundra
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although just saying it was brought up doesn't mean it will be added

paper wing
sharp remnant
raw pecan
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they're pretty detirmined to elave flying kick in it seems
at least, salted is I think

craggy token
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lf bmonk rework 🙏

rustic sable
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i dont make threads often but when i do they dont get ct attention

raw pecan
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no idea why
they went out of their way to buff it to upper levels of damage instead of making it truly optional for bmnonk

mortal tundra
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I tend to interact with every thread related to stuff i do

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tcc tna, the eye, general boss stuff

fallow shoal
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fuh no its not helpful

mortal tundra
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but i dont really interact with AT stuff

raw pecan
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I wonder if anyone really read my trickster feedback post then
it got like 7 like 's but 0 comments

mortal tundra
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I don't like trickster

raw pecan
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lol

mortal tundra
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I say, nerf it some more

raw pecan
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valid opinion detected
and yeah I think it's a little overtuned still, not a lot, but still overtuned

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more than that though malmock doesn't feel great to use, I think that should be fixed first if anything

craggy token
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doesnt mean they arent seeing it and reading it. theres no engagement on it. i read every constructive feedback post i can but i only react/comment on a few

raw pecan
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fair fair

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mostly just hoping everything I wrote makes sense to people who aren't me lol

rustic sable
odd nacelle
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Make constructive feedback its own category, and have separate channels of “General” (a renamed this channel), “Feedback”, “Suggestions” and whatever else if needed, each having their own batch of threads

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It’ll filter itself out eventually idk

hushed tide
delicate rapids
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hello nexstraga-

Oh wait its a hero+ in cf thats not nexstargaze nvm you have my full unending support for not creating a slop post

pure atlas
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fwiw I read almost every post in this forum (except AT and item stuff because I have no say over those)

thorn knoll
rain flax
queen gulch
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some stuff from cf literally got added right after update announcement in like less than a week of course its just minor changes and tweaks but you cant say its not helpful
however there are some months, year old cf that shouldve been added instantly

thorn knoll
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the world shall be rid of slop

fair musk
# pure atlas fwiw I read almost every post in this forum (except AT and item stuff because I ...

I also read basically everything, some stuff is a brief glance, others I read conversation around it but the sheer amount of comments on some threads make that hard. I respond on quite a few things mainly with reasoning behind why something is the way it is (for AT or other things I do know something about).

Those comments are often on things I have no personal opinion for or against but I think its important to add that context of "well this is what we were trying to do", even if it didn't land in the same way in the wild

dusky wasp
pure atlas
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I have no radar on what is or isn't a good suggestion for those teams, and sending every post is just going to fatigue them

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I'm sure the at/item team read CF too (I know for a fact they do, actually) and far be it from me to tell them their business

ionic pelican
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I read every post and usually every reply

I’m just online too much

severe bison
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jesus yeah, you don't need to read all of them

ionic pelican
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😃

mystic hazel
ionic pelican
mystic hazel
coral copper
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nagisa is a true knower

mystic hazel
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Hope Salted pays for therapy sessions

wide coral
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anyway short answer is yes, cf is helpful for all its faults

pure atlas
oak sable
tawny pivot
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this confirms my theory
ct do read feedback, but they just can't reply to all of them because... what is there to say

ember gazelle
woven quarry
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hey can I make this the feedback post of the week?

steep cosmos
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tbh wynn is a bit lacking in content if youve played other games and the forums are kinda dead afaik so I think suggestions are fine lol

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if theyre popular and its something worth adding, cool. the CT maybe should take a looksie, I reckon it's been good and there will always be stinkers, but I think having a lot of suggestions and feedback is good for the game since I think it has a lot of potential, there are a lot of things that they can do as a result

steep cosmos
lyric rover
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ngl seeing this posted right after i posted a suggestion feels really bad. I like that people can discuss their thoughts on the matter. Sure, some suggestions are very low effort, and some are shamed for their ridiculousness, but i think having a platform where the community can discuss how they feel about the game is essential. Not having this chat to talk about what the community wants would disconnect the devs from the community.

steep cosmos
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this man wrote a 15 page google doc on suggests for the end game

lyric rover
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I think a solution to this would be the ability to sort by reactions and also see posts made in the last week or month only. but these are only doable by discord itself so 🤷‍♂️

dusty goblet
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Constructive feedback has been immensely helpful because we get to call out stupid changes as they come out or before they come out and they are actually acted upon and amended

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In the day-to-day this channel is ragebait discord slop hell but when it’s necessary it really pulls through

gray wave
gilded garnet
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this forum is like the only link the community has with admins time to time, and I've seen terminated responding a lot to ideas in here, why would we even look upon removing this

late hearth
gray wave
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@languid smelt Hey bro I hope you see this message but its not too late to delete this post

hazy moon
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