add a toggle to remember what page you were on, when swapping between char / acc bank

[sturdy leaf]

true, could also be remembered after exiting/switching class

[junior agate]

I often swap to go back to first page this'd be really inconvenient

[tardy blade]

I often go to the last page of my bank this’d be really convenient

[junior agate]

🤷‍♂️ Better stay how it is

[tardy blade]

The bank page number shortcuts are a wynntils feature right?

[junior agate]

No they're vanilla

[tardy blade]

Oh

[junior agate]

The ordering is just a little weird since it doesn't do the last page for some reason just increments upto 17

[tardy blade]

Then if they do this, all you’d have to do is click 1 lol

[junior agate]

They ran out of hotbar slots to use but they could just make the incrementation better

[junior agate]

It's been years so I don't really see the point in learning a new way and reorganizing my bank around it if it isn't forced upon me

[tardy blade]

I guess

Id love it for crafting and dropping raid loot since i put those in later pages

[junior agate]

Just a difference in use case can't really say much more for my wanting it to stay the same

[tardy blade]

Its just literally divided lol

[icy zenith]

escape then click in again

[tardy blade]

So it can be a toggle

[icy zenith]

there is no way this is a real

[tardy blade]

Me when i dont read the post

[junior agate]

The toggle slippery slope

[icy zenith]

“id rather spend 4 seconds waiting to swap to first page rather than spend 0 nanoseconds getting to first”

[junior agate]

I usually browse my bank with only my mouse held

[tardy blade]

Its valid here ngl lol

[icy zenith]

sometimes u make sense other times ur just completely stupid wtf r u on about

[junior agate]

It's valid everywhere but the toggle command is insane as is

[tardy blade]

The post is suggesting to change it so re-entering bank puts you back to the page you were on

[junior agate]

From what I'm gathering from the title it's only to remember while you're in the menu going between the two

[tardy blade]

Wait shit, I DIDNT READ THE POST

[junior agate]

Which is where I have this issue but again just personal preference/use

[tardy blade]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-23674110

[tardy blade]

I dont take constructive feedback posts seriously enough lol

Even though i misread the post at first i still the idea here

[tardy blade]

I probably read this as part of the post

[junior agate]

Also this is still less delay the escaping and going back in usually I'm not being entirely impractical

[icy zenith]

it literally does not

swapping between the two means pressing the button

I think i’ve said this before but stupid people are okay as long as they know they are atupid

[tardy blade]

Yeah bro i already said i was wrong

My fault lol

Wynncraft players cant read

[true grail]

it takes a while, especially if it's laggy

[tardy blade]

Yeah true

This kind of change would benefit some people and hurt other people in the end

Cause for me, my early bank pages are laid out to put stuff in through the quick stack button while the later pages (and character banks) are just “drop all the unid raid drops”

[tardy blade]

Also you didnt say this, dunning-kruger did 🔥

[heady smelt]

When you need to go to a page, you simply type in chat which page you want to go to

[true grail]

🕴️ 🚙 ⛈️

[tardy blade]

💬

[icy zenith]

first that is not what dunning kruger said, second I did say it, third, read it again

kroger did a study on over and under confidence

i’m talking about how tolerable people are

[junior agate]

Epic win

[tardy blade]

Couldn’t find it under search, ig you could link it but honestly dont bother lol

Dunning Kruger effect was just a cheeky joke at “stupid people not realizing they’re stupid”.

[icy zenith]

what’s different is I said “okay” i’m not talking about how people tend to behave, i’m talking about what behaviors are annoying

[tardy blade]

cool

Im gonna annoy you more again in another thread

[tiny rampart]

literally a qol feature with zero downsides (bc of the fact that you can turn it off/on so everybody wins), 4 downvotes anyways

https://tenor.com/view/kizeoi-speed-ishowspeed-interpretive-dance-tweaking-gif-17587466356317801365

[true grail]

without fail

[cold briar]

yo this is kind of a neat rank perk idea

[icy zenith]

with silver bull subscription

[golden gust]

wynncord when the suggestion doesn't directly help them so it's "wasted dev time":

[cold briar]

nah this one helps devs if it gets added as a perk so it would be the definitive not a waste of dev time

[heady smelt]

I think people just misread the title or something.

[tiny rampart]

probably

[tardy blade]

No the toggle part was edited in after

[heady smelt]

Yeah that’s fine

[tiny rampart]

makes sense

but the image still has the toggle 🤷

[tardy blade]

Sorry let me rephrase, the image was edited after the post was made

The toggle part in the post description was there already though iirc

[tiny rampart]

got it

[tardy blade]

This change is a crucial requirement to get sugvon bank cleaning asmr video

[cold briar]

my bank is clean dawg

[tardy blade]

Damn im alone with unclean bank

I would just have to guess they decided to have bank opening and bank switching share functionality

[junior agate]

Not so hopeful on the toggle just downvoting as an indicator of not being for it being the default

[true grail]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperors-new-groove-well-you-got-me-gif-13478646

[vital breach]

the usual suspects

[junior agate]

pmo

[young elm]

Yep

[mortal silo]

Literally what would be the downside to this

[pseudo quartz]

is this ragebait

[junior agate]

No this just isn't an objectively better option and it messes with my navigation of the current

[pseudo quartz]

can u just press 1

on the wynntils button

[junior agate]

I genuinely don't have my hand on the keyboard while using the bank it's pointless

[pseudo quartz]

wont beat the allegations

[junior agate]

Wasn't in original post and I still don't believe in toggles ever getting added

In the case of a toggle there isn't really an opinion to have but as for the idea itself I'm disliking as a default

[golden gust]

first part is fair
but also believe in toggles, if silksong can release, we can also get more toggles for QoL

[junior agate]

When they start being more commonplace sure but like the only way I'm cool with this is as a toggle unfortunately

[golden gust]

"don't add toggles at all"
"it's fine if they were more common"
like you gotta start somewhere, if every thread suggesting toggles keeps getting downvoted with "toggles won't happen" then they won't happen at all, and thus can't be common

probably some time after fruma we'll get a proper toggles menu when dev time is a little more free

[junior agate]

A downvote means nothing to a feature if it's added as a toggle but if it's either or that matters

[tardy blade]

I think he just downvoted cause he dont like the feature

Downvoting and speaking your mind is also doing alot more than the other downvotes that dont say anything lol

[golden gust]

idk might just be a personal thing but to me this kinda just seems like another case of "doesn't help me so downvote"
am i missing something?

[vital breach]

so you downvoted not because of the idea but because you dont think it'll be added (it won't, but thats not the point)

isnt your downvote dissuading them from adding it though? your downvote given because uh, you dont think it will be added

I dont car either way I js dont get jt

[thick arch]

add a toggle to remember what page you were on, when swapping between char / acc bank

[golden gust]

this (after the post edit) adds an optional toggle that can help a good chunk of players, which can be easily turned off to avoid annoying others
the only reason i can find to downvote a post like this is if it's unnecessarily complicated or a huge amount of dev time for something that will only be used or seen by a select few people like "do a backflip off of EO while the eye is breakdancing during a full solar eclipse to earn a useless cosmetic item"

[junior agate]

That's kind of the point Upvote/Downvote is for personal experience

[junior agate]

Difference from overwhelmingly positive to very positive is in the discussion which I believe is very important to this feature's addition

[vital breach]

this is an overwhelmingly positive addition though, theres no negatives

[golden gust]

the point of upvoting/downvoting is to say if something is good or bad
if someone suggests for example a raid change that is just not good then you can downvote it
but i really hate the mentality of "it doesn't help me (doesn't harm me either) so downvote", because that instantly invalidates anything that isnt endgame content
if you make a post about something that's easily fixed with wynntils or doesn't matter for endgame players it just gets downvoted because it doesn't help endgame players, even tho it is a good post with no fair arguments against it

[junior agate]

Your vote for non-endgame can be based on past experiences since you played the game before reaching end-game, as for no wynntils it's just a little bit of imagination

[golden gust]

which can be especially bad if the first few people to see said post unfairly downvote it for that exact reason, which leads to the post getting way more downvotes than it would've otherwise

[golden gust]

you'd be surprised at how many people that are in basically every feedback thread cannot think of early game or non-wynntils gameplay

[tardy blade]

I was just saying it was a vote in a voting system

You can criticize a vote but you cant say he shouldnt downvote if the idea is “overall good” in your opinion

[mortal silo]

Most of the people taking part in discussion are passionate and decently invested players that probably have been using Wynntils for years and also haven’t touched early-game in just as long a time tbf

[tardy blade]

Also the first 2 opposing comments were added before he suggested toggle

[golden gust]

Idk it just sounds so stupid to me that people downvote with no good reason
At the start sure, the downvote+explanation progressed the suggestion which is a good thing
But then after said thing was added and the original criticism was no longer valid they instead switched to "downvote because toggles won't happen" and/or "downvote because toggles aren't common" which directly contradict each other, you can't downvote something because it's a toggle and then be surprised that there aren't any toggles

You can say that you don't want more ui bloat, or that you don't like too many toggles or toggles at all
But you can't say that you don't want toggles because toggles aren't common, because that creates a paradox