NOTG Hammer Room Indicator should be changed

[rapid bronze]

This is what it looks like when there exist warriors in your party while you are destroying the rock.

[night fjord]

real

[copper depot]

true and real

[coral onyx]

So.... what do you propose?

Cracks in a block are "easy" because the context is that they're rocks with weak spots and such, what's a better visual indicator that doesn't melt someone's potato?

[rapid bronze]

i dunno

devs figure it out ig

[night fjord]

something that is more visible i hope

[coral onyx]

You know it would be helpful if you "guided" them towards something they might consider doing

[rapid bronze]

You know I don’t design games

If I propose terrible ideas people will downvote

[indigo anvil]

This is terrible, if you dont have a better idea dont suggest changing the current idea 😭

[night fjord]

like even just particles over the block would help

maybe combine it with the break

something to distinguish it from warrior spells

[indigo anvil]

Many people raid without particles (myself included)

[rapid bronze]

well i can't just ignore the problem either

[indigo anvil]

The cracks work fine, if there is a warrior in your party just tell them to not use spell near the rock

[rapid bronze]

make a post so that people with the right inspiration can give suggestions

[night fjord]

well u can use the break then

thats why i said have both lol

[indigo anvil]

Communication is not this hard guys

Just tell your warrior to not cast near the rock, it's that easy

[winter valve]

it's*

[night fjord]

or like add a particle and warrior are allowed to cast spells

its that easy

[copper depot]

its not hard to come up with a solution here? like you could do literally anything

[indigo anvil]

Yes except, the devs have other more important things to do (hopefully working on fruma) and dont have to waste their time "fixing" this

[copper depot]

particle seems easiest, but idk if CT would deem it immersive enough of a solution

[rapid bronze]

I think CT expect the players to turn on particles or what

[night fjord]

its not a waste of time tho

[rapid bronze]

like i've seen it under other post

[copper depot]

particles are expected to be on

[indigo anvil]

Explain to me how your unwillingness to type "/p hey warrior stop casting near the rock" is important enough for the devs to spend even 5 minutes making this

[rapid bronze]

A good raid design shouldn't require the players to communicate to avoid its flaw

[night fjord]

i dont want the warriors to have to stop

[rapid bronze]

and sometimes people simply do not listen

[zenith prawn]

yea probably replace it with cobble stone and rebuild the whole boulder to be made of grey rocks, ez

idc if grey isn't suited for the color pallate your removing the boulders anyways lol so it'll fit the theme even more bc they're "not suppossed to be there" eeeh? ehhhh? >:D

[indigo anvil]

I figure good raid design should include an obvious flaw that requires communication to overcome, there is a reason you cannot enter raid solo

[night fjord]

gg insane

crazy raid design

[copper depot]

also can I ask whats up with the first boulder in hammer room being non-corpreal

[zenith prawn]

did i cook

[copper depot]

totem flies right through it lol

[zenith prawn]

its made of ussop 10 ton hammer material ofc ofc

https://tenor.com/view/wyverns-w-gif-12206778804536551216
-# context: its a balloon

[zenith prawn]

(or let others in the thread use the thread to converse to create the idea 💡, like i just did earlier muahah)

[indigo anvil]

I'm not saying this isn't something that shouldnt be changed, I'm just saying its not a very effective or worthwhile change

[night fjord]

ok well it is

very worthwhile change!

[rapid bronze]

Yes very worthwhile considering the low effort required just to add particles/change the block type and the high benefit in terms of raiding experience improvement

[coral onyx]

...I can't lie

Just talk to your fellow warriors man this issue is so small 😭

[night fjord]

and fixing it is small

[coral onyx]

Considering it's a mechanic that's likely been untouched for years since its creation

It will mostly like not be small

[night fjord]

worth anyway

[coral onyx]

I promise communication will not hurt man

The warriors are not in the room with us right now

[night fjord]

yeah but like why should they have to stop casting spells

as that warrior sometimes i want to cast spells but if i cant because of the room im in its annoying

this isnt about communication lol its not hard to understand

and if u say just dont cast spells near then like i cant save the person from the enemies that spawn on them

feels like its hard to contribute without making it harder for them

simply would just be straight up a better experience if this wasn't the case therefore i think it should be added

[coral onyx]

Warriors have 2 other spells that do damage, and additionally, they don't have to look towards the giant boulder you're trying to break with a hammer

If you communicate that with someone new, they can understand and the room proceeds like normal

[copper depot]

pfinder players could never understand

especially not in notg

[night fjord]

iirc bash and upper both do it
and can also both be big aoes
not much of a choice

[coral onyx]

They can cast spells next to you, just not looking at the boulder

Secondly you're holding a hammer that has a lengthy cooldown

The only "help" you're giving them is de-shelling the shelled grub

[night fjord]

um im pretty sure the cracks just go everywhere lol

if u have like whirlwind strike

[copper depot]

why not just fix the issue, it cannot be this hard to do

[night fjord]

i mean could wrong but thats what i remember

[coral onyx]

I haven't played battle monk, so i'm not sure either

[copper depot]

based

[night fjord]

like if ur playing fallen u cant bash (esp with massive bash gl lol) or look at the rock

bmonk cant do anything but scream

this other guy was saying this was a good feature (idk what crack bro is on)

i want this so bad lol

i dont like taking hammer partly because this exists and warrior is decently popular

[copper depot]

i take it because im the only one who hits grub

[night fjord]

i dont also because i dont trust my pfinder to protect me

[night fjord]

you mean u get rid of my walking damage farm????

[copper depot]

[night fjord]

how am i supposed to pretend i did more than i actually did if u kill them all

[rapid bronze]

Have to remind you that all the spells warrior has cause half-breaking blocks

[night fjord]

even war scream? i dont remember tbh

[rapid bronze]

And warscream without tempest

[night fjord]

its hard to tell cause its just kinda all doing it

[coral onyx]

...why

[copper depot]

i must stop my teammates from damage farming

[coral onyx]

that is unnecessarily spiteful

and pointless considering that you're just killing time on the raid

[copper depot]

also ive died to it before so i do it out of courtesy

build ws and you can save time

[night fjord]

yeah lol im ngl sometimes the grub beats my ass

[rapid bronze]

People do want to effectively run through raid to get rewards

Even if it is not you

[coral onyx]

Grub gets me sometimes as well -_-

[night fjord]

u know what also gets me
not being able to hit the fucking boulder because i have 3 warriors and i cant see the cracks on the boulder

[copper depot]

yall ever fall into the little stream of water

[zenith prawn]

this reminds me that too many times have i had a shaman on my party throw their totems on the boulder for some ungodly reason

[night fjord]

if only there was some way other than the cracks to tell what to hit... oh well

[copper depot]

you can swim under the barriers there and get stuck with the hammer, true story

[coral onyx]

particles won't help if you have a shaman in your party lol

[rapid bronze]

Particle will certainly help, it just has to be the right particle

[night fjord]

yes it will because the particle will be on the block

and if there is a crack aswell like a sustained crack + particle should be very obvious

[lone ravine]

Did nobody in this thread suggest using a display entity?

Like a square outline on the block that moves inward/outward

[mossy orbit]

Skill issue, true hammer gamers remember where the real ones are

[keen hill]

I think something similar to Greg's purple circles (mechanically) would make it visible for people regardless of particles while allowing for good texturing and design.

[restive mica]

not intended btw

[rapid bronze]

Real

[tawdry lintel]

i remember i made a post about this and some people talked about highlighting the block but seems like that never happened

this one

[hexed fulcrum]

Yep tell your warrior player to go AFK this is peak teamplay

[sharp bough]

lowkey why isn't it like a 3d object

[zenith prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[slim jay]

🐮👉🕓

[sacred ether]

🐰 👉 ⏱️

[lone ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1398295183568666714/1434248314546556991/Colossus_Clock.png?ex=69099d95&is=69084c15&hm=de3410d88cce8b71b3400c1f599546f544844fd642df6356991022e2aad2aa7c&

(Credit to @limber night)

[bitter thorn]

can we add the giant red arrow

[zenith prawn]

mod that reads when wynntils raid tracker acknowledges you're in hammer room then places a big arrow and circle and vine boom sfx to any crack in granite that's not caused by bash/uppper/scream until it reads that the time in the hammer room stops counting

[lone ravine]

Too much effort lets use an invisible armorstand viewer hack instead

[copper depot]

just dont take the hammer and blame your teammates

@coral onyx this is why we hit grub

[sacred ether]

Umm just live better

[lone ravine]

I dont think ive ever seen anyone hit the grub ngl

[mossy orbit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037118557156286464/1435016413072064572/ticktock.gif

giffed

[lone ravine]

Still image to still image conversion 🤯

[regal orbit]

this is real as hell bash makes this room a nightmare

[late rover]

agreed

[night fjord]

noooo u dont understand just dont play warrior!!!!!!
just kick all warriors from your parties!!
its teamplay guys!

[late rover]

this is such a terrible statement btw, feedback doesn't always need suggestions to be worth giving, if something doesn't feel right it's okay to point it out, there are always people who can figure out solutions but feedback is essential to atleast know the problem

[sharp bough]

You need a general idea on what would work when suggesting it otherwise it's difficult to understand what the problem really is

[indigo anvil]

Imo if you don't have any ideas to fix it to begin with you shouldn't suggest it to be fixed (until you do have an idea)

[winter valve]

You realize like a few people here suggested something right?

[indigo anvil]

Yes

[indigo anvil]

I was responding to this @winter valve

[copper depot]

still a valid statement imo

[indigo anvil]

And it was before anyone suggested anything...

[winter valve]

Do you want it to get fixed then? Your statements imply that you don't.

[night fjord]

you can point out something is wrong and bad without having ideas on how to make it better

because starting discussion and alerting the devs thats its bad so they can think of ideas themselves is still worth doing

[indigo anvil]

I do not care whether it gets fixed or it does not, my previous criticisms are about how it was "idk how to fix this thats what the devs should figure out" when the whole point of this channel is for us to provide solutions to problems for the devs to implement.

[night fjord]

no the point of the channel is to provide feedback on what issues might be and why they r issues

possible solutions are just an extra

[indigo anvil]

I'm saying to think out a solution yourself before providing feedback on the problem. If the one person (who I forgot the name, sorry) did not provide a real solution then I am not sure there would have been one made in this thread

[indigo anvil]

The devs cannot construct anything with feedback (#1019649786799996980 ) without a blueprint

[night fjord]

feedback isnt feeding solutions to the devs

[indigo anvil]

I don't think it's fair for them to also come up with the solution if they will be the ones implementing

[night fjord]

thats their job? to decide what solution. to implement then implement it?
what?

[indigo anvil]

Then what is its purpose if not for the devs to fix problems?

[night fjord]

to give feedback...

[indigo anvil]

To who?

[night fjord]

the devs? ct team?

[indigo anvil]

And if you provide a solution there is a much higher likelihood of the problem being fixed

[night fjord]

yes but that doesnt mean you HAVE to provide solutions

its an optional

[winter valve]

I don't think the solution was hard but here.

[night fjord]

a lot of the time anyway the final implementation is different anyway

[indigo anvil]

Staff probably barely look at these anyway, if they don't see it as a major problem (like this) and without a solution they would probably just skip over it

[night fjord]

i know for a fact staff read these all the time

there is probably multiple ct that have read this thread

solution or no

[indigo anvil]

This is not worth arguing, we will never agree

[copper depot]

it would take more time to read this entire post than it would to fix the issue

[hexed fulcrum]

It's the same way a bug report doesn't tell them how to fix the bug, just how to reproduce it or that it exists on a somewhat consistent basis, there is no reason you shouldn't just post about not liking a feature and why

[wintry talon]

to be fair, a lot of people on pfinder are illiterate/unable to read english/do not pay attention to chat, so they would never adhere to this anyways

[sharp bough]

if you say that some people will probably throw for some reason

[slim jay]

Relying on randoms reading chat and then actually listening is crazy

Have you seen pfinder players

Idk how some of them are even operating a pc

[late rover]

👶🍼

[restive mica]

Bro's trolling. Go to brazil nerd

[tacit sail]

Wrong

[vernal flare]

What

Why do we need to also stats a solution to feedback on a problem
It’s not necessary to think of a proposed fix when you point out an existing issue

I mean, would be cool but if you can’t think of one yourself you don’t really have to

[indigo anvil]

Why am I still getting flamed for my opinion lol? I literally stopped defending myself there is no reason to continue

[copper depot]

agree

[tawdry lintel]

ah you did stop replying my bad

[prime galleon]

would be cool if warrior let u skip the waiting

[slim jay]

champion + perk to skip golemus and hammer room