spare nova
It has ID bloat for a uncommon wand, meaning that most players won't even look at it bc of how hard is to get 5 good id rolls, much like most items that got elemental dmg instead of each element dmg, octahedron should get 88 elemental dmg id (and get a buff in base dmg or have 352 elemental dmg id which is still an 8 multiple) and get rid of each element dmg (they all have 88 dmg), making it more atractive
spark roost
erm actually 88 ele damage raw is not the same as 88 in each element raw
spare nova
btw, would be cooler to have reqs of 16 to make it a multiple of 8 in everything
maiden steeple
this is not something like libra
spare nova
erm actually 88 ele damage raw is not the same as 88 in each element raw
yeah i know, but like is better for the wand
maiden harness
there is a reason for it
spare nova
especially because is an uncommon wand, no one would look for good rolls
maiden steeple
nerfing a wand so it is able to be rolled better is uhhh. if someone finds a octahedron with amazing rolls it will be good, but if it only has elemental raw it will always be mediocre.
spare nova
is better to keep it with few rolls, that way more ppl would use it, especially because it seems like a good item for leveling up
maiden harness
I think it's actually the other way around
spare nova
why?
maiden harness
having this many damage IDs would really pop out to players as something really powerful
spare nova
it would be harder to get one with good rolls
maiden harness
yes you do know that the total damage IDs on the item is like disgustingly high right
spark roost
a minimum rolled octahedron is stronger than one max 88 ele damage raw one
spare nova
a minimum rolled octahedron is stronger than one max 88 ele damage raw one
what about 2 ids, % and raw elemental ID?
maiden steeple
maybe you mean something that makes octahedron have up to 440 raw elemental damage,
spare nova
would reduce the ammount of ID and can be tunned with multiples of 8 too
or change base dmg
maiden steeple
since thats the "equal" of combining all elemental ids
spare nova
to keep the theme
coarse eagle
does octahedron have 7 ids???
maiden harness
octahedron has 68 base raw dmg in each elements which means a base raw damage of 340 which is more than stardew
spare nova
does octahedron have 7 ids???
yeah, at first i thought about 8 ids but like it doesn't even make sense thematically
maiden harness
the gimmick just does not work if u make it easier to roll
maiden steeple
it would be a buff to combine all of its ids
misty locust
its not every day u get a cf thread about a wand u thought zero people would care about
maiden steeple
depends on what the IMs think about the wand atp
misty locust
the raw damage is intentionally "overtuned" since its split into 5 rolls
spare nova
its not every day u get a cf thread about a wand u thought zero people would car...
i like seeing other items from midgame, i have 4 more items to check
spare nova
the raw damage is intentionally "overtuned" since its split into 5 rolls
what about elemental raw and %?
maiden harness
40 sp 340 base raw spell wand btw
misty locust
what about elemental raw and %?
wdym
maiden steeple
40 sp 340 base raw spell wand btw
why isnt it used more in that case
maiden harness
eledmg% works in a completely different way
coarse eagle
converge ids on melange
spare nova
like 88 raw and 32% elemental?
misty locust
why isnt it used more in that case
unique and/or people dont look at it
maiden harness
why isnt it used more in that case
unique
spare nova
it seems like an item with bloated ids
misty locust
plus it still pales in comparison to other nonmythics imo
spare nova
and ppl would get less interested in that kind of item
coarse eagle
thanks discord my bad for not incluing that letter
misty locust
pretty sure cascade still gaps
maiden harness
and ppl would get less interested in that kind of item
I mean this is just your own opinion I have already stated why people would think otherwise
maiden steeple
how much would a perfect octahedron do compared to cascade
spare nova
pretty sure cascade still gaps
btw increase the min reqs, add 1 more sp req of each element to fit the thematic
maiden harness
it is probably stronger than most uniques in the game
spare nova
16 of each sp
spare nova
I mean this is just your own opinion I have already stated why people would thin...
then why aren't ppl playing with it?
maiden steeple
I mean this is just your own opinion I have already stated why people would thin...
idk if casual players know if that is how damage works.
misty locust
16 of each sp
fair
maiden harness
because people at lvl 90 have figured out that unique items in general are not that good compared to higher rarity
misty locust
then why aren't ppl playing with it?
same reason they arent playing with any other endgame unique
spare nova
same reason they arent playing with any other endgame unique
gearbox exist
misty locust
gearbox is an offhand
spare nova
is also used for leveling up
maiden harness
off hand meaning...
spare nova
new players tend to use it for so many levels
misty locust
is it not like level 90 something
spare nova
is 96, octahedron is 91
maiden harness
the point is you are asking to nerf the item to make it "look cleaner" when it's intentionally designed to have 5 damage IDs
last wolf
how does raw ele dmg work btw?
spare nova
the point is you are asking to nerf the item to make it "look cleaner" when it's...
looking cleaner would make it less bloated in ids, could be buffed like in the base dps to compensate
maiden harness
if the element is present then it acts as just raw spell and raw melee
spare nova
i know it would nerf the item
spare nova
bloating a unique non-used item is just a bad decision
unless it gets like another id to make it for 8 ids
and make a theme
maiden harness
it's not the only case of item IDs being bloated look at Libra the specialist etc
spare nova
it's not the only case of item IDs being bloated look at Libra the specialist et...
libra works because of how used is
the specialist too
last wolf
if the element is present then it acts as just raw spell and raw melee
does it give the total to each element or does it split the damage between each element present?
spare nova
does it give the total to each element or does it split the damage between each ...
it gives the total of each, my proposal is a nerf to that and compensate in base dps or in the id itself
last wolf
if it would give the total to each present element, how is swapping to raweledmg a nerf?
that sounds like exactly what it does rn
maiden harness
they all work the exact same idk what usage rates has to do with anything
spare nova
what about 352 max raw ele dmg?
spare nova
they all work the exact same idk what usage rates has to do with anything
it has, a lot of items are not used because they are bloated
maiden harness
if it would give the total to each present element, how is swapping to raweledmg...
68 raw eledmg (with elemental dmg present) is equal to 68 raw spell
68 etwfa raw dmg (with all etwfa damages present) is equal to 340 raw spell
quiet cliff
gives the item personality
Aggravating RNG*
last wolf
i see, so then raweledmg doesnt give the total to all present elements, but instead splits it across them
maiden harness
no matter what you do to this item people are still not gonna really use it because it's a unique without any special circumstances like gearbox having high xpb
spare nova
68 raw eledmg (with elemental dmg present) is equal to 68 raw spell
68 etwfa raw...
ok, what about 352, is a multiple of 8 and is better?
quiet cliff
no matter what you do to this item people are still not gonna really use it beca...
Why. Is. It. In. The. Game.
last wolf
Why. Is. It. In. The. Game.
a couple people are gonna find it and make use of it, surely
spare nova
no matter what you do to this item people are still not gonna really use it beca...
it does gives good ids, like hp and xp, i suggested to new players that are friends of mine, however, they did tell me that is hard to get good rolls to look good and they took another weapon bc of that
is a great generalist weapon
misty locust
Why. Is. It. In. The. Game.
in the game for years already and besides theres a tiny community of deranged people who try to use stuff like this
maiden harness
Why. Is. It. In. The. Game.
do you think we should delete like 60% of the endgame item pool because most people don't use them
spare nova
however is not atractive
maiden harness
I think we just have a difference in opinion regarding this item
spare nova
and ID bloating makes sometimes a item unatractive for new players
last wolf
and ID bloating makes sometimes a item unatractive for new players
not just new players
coarse eagle
lvl 91 isnt even endgame
heavy bronze
holy non issue
spare nova
lvl 91 isnt even endgame
lvl 80+ can be endgame depending on the item
coarse eagle
depending on how much -cost or mr it has*
quiet cliff
do you think we should delete like 60% of the endgame item pool because most peo...
I started a discussion in #🌎wynncraft last week regarding uniques and how many of them are just item bloat that you won't use and are worth literal pennies for resale value to the blacksmith
last wolf
lvl 91 isnt even endgame
mfw hero
maiden harness
I think that you are missing the value of having item variety apart from just raw power or competitiveness
rustic grotto
boy is gonna shit his pants when he plays an actual arpg
coarse eagle
mythic bases were confirmed to be balanced as if they are endgame
quiet cliff
Needless to say I'm not a fan of that particular direction in item finding because there are an obnoxious amount of brown boxes that are worth nothing that the game hand delivers me
last wolf
mythic bases were confirmed to be balanced as if they are endgame
mfw pure?
spare nova
I started a discussion in <#262010576295821312> last week regarding uniques and ...
some of them could offer more if they got some ids adjustments or even insignificant MIDs that tuned more one spell or could be used offhand
misty locust
for the record major ids are never going on uniques
spare nova
for the record major ids are never going on uniques
why not?
rustic grotto
for the record major ids are never going on uniques
wb rares
coarse eagle
for the record major ids are never going on uniques
just wait until fruma
last wolf
then they aren't Uniques at that point
quiet cliff
The only thing unique about this item tier is how worthless it is by lv 100
last wolf
why would they put MIDs on uniques 😭
misty locust
gameplay wise still true however, if majors are dispersed across all rarities including the shitty ones then whats so special about higher rarities like fableds
rustic grotto
the rare helmet that plays spooky tunes 😍
true
spare nova
why would they put MIDs on uniques 😭
i mean what about MID that just add +5% to shuriken melee dmg on a accesory
last wolf
i mean what about MID that just add +5% to shuriken melee dmg on a accesory
that sounds like a minor ID to me
spare nova
gameplay wise still true however, if majors are dispersed across all rarities in...
could be weak mids
rustic grotto
stackable major ids tap in
maiden harness
that's just kinda uninspired
spare nova
that sounds like a minor ID to me
there is no way to add dmg to a specific part of AT buff with IDs
rustic grotto
we unnerfing sorcery with this
spare nova
that's just kinda uninspired
yeah, but like could add more flavour to niches without breaking the meta
spark roost
that's just kinda uninspired
mangle moment
misty locust
mangle is gonna get its justice at some point genuinely
misty locust
yeah, but like could add more flavour to niches without breaking the meta
to be blunt, its impossible to include unique weapons in a conversation about filling nonmythic niches
especially when the endgame nonmythic niche is already as small as it is
spare nova
to be blunt, its impossible to include unique weapons in a conversation about fi...
then why some CT wants ppl to use non-mythics with recent comments about unique-rare-legendary weapons buffs and mythic nerfs?
misty locust
and rares/legendaries usually have the ability to cover everything without cooking stuff like base dps
spare nova
why closing a gap of something if you don't have interest of that gap of utility?
misty locust
why closing a gap of something if you don't have interest of that gap of utility...
same reason why you'd close a gap between divzer and other mythic bows pre nerf
ok admittedly that might be a faulty comparison
rustic grotto
it all goes back to lootruns ruining everything
misty locust
specifically, nonmythics usually wont be optimal (because mythics are higher tier) but they shouldnt be terrible compared to mythics
whether you believe that nerfing mythics or buffing all nonmythics is the solution the ideology is still there
but uniques have a difficult time fitting into this conversation when rares/legendaries have the ability to just about cover everything
spare nova
specifically, nonmythics usually wont be optimal (because mythics are higher tie...
they will be terrible if they don't have anything to offer, a item type that has no posibility of having a MID is going to be always terrible compared to the one that can
maiden harness
I think it should be made clear that touching up uniques has not in any way impeeded development anywhere else
spare nova
the only exception would be op uncommon items
maiden harness
like they were given the touch ups literally for the love of the game is there anything wrong with that lol
spare nova
and at that point the item would probably get a nerf like bygg
uniques could offer MIDs that aren't OP and would add value to them in a different way that doesn't break the game system of rarity or anything else, is disapointing that we won't have space for them in meta unless they get op or grant tons of sp
rustic grotto
have you interacted with buildmaking
misty locust
thats just how the rarity system works
plus unique weapons r the only things that rly suffer from this
spare nova
thats just how the rarity system works
other games adds pasives to less common items (equivalent to MIDs)
maiden harness
uniques could offer MIDs that aren't OP and would add value to them in a differe...
I think you have a point to be made it's just not something that we are interested in
spare nova
plus unique weapons r the only things that rly suffer from this
then why having unique weapons on endgame levels?
maiden harness
it is just A Fact that mythics are stronger than fableds that are stronger than leg then rare then unique and the incremental gaps between all of them leaves uniques in the dust for the most part
spare nova
besides off-hands
misty locust
then why having unique weapons on endgame levels?
simply to ensure consistency with the rarity system that works fine for the other 80 levels of the game
spare nova
just eliminate them
spare nova
simply to ensure consistency with the rarity system that works fine for the othe...
so they are just filler items?
misty locust
i mean, yeah, to be honest
spare nova
and will always be filler items
misty locust
weapons specifically, armor/accs actually have that potential
maiden harness
is there anything wrong with some items being filler items
spare nova
is there anything wrong with some items being filler items
no, but like, is wrong when a full type of rarity is just made up for a filler category
maiden harness
except they arent
spare nova
is dissapointing
maiden harness
there's filler rares legendaries fableds even to an extent
misty locust
wait whar
maiden harness
like there's no way that ur using deliverance over a Morrowind or cascade
only so many things can be "strong" that it leaves many items behind it's kind of an inevitability but you still have those items
it also demonstrates how strong items are because I can tell you as a matter of fact if we only had the top 20% performing items in the game then that bottom 5% would be seen just as badly
spark roost
it also demonstrates how strong items are because I can tell you as a matter of ...
average mythic vs mythic comparison
spare nova
only so many things can be "strong" that it leaves many items behind it's kind o...
other games do add pasives that mitigate that issue, pasives that basically are weak but can be used for other purposes such as off-hand or second hand spells, niche uses and little benefits, like that example of "Shurikens deals +5% water dmg and heal 20 hp", is meaningless however they can be stacked with certain builds to be usable in certains escenarios
i was hoping for something similar in the case of less used non-mythic items, mostly because CT changes to buff non-mythics recently
maiden harness
I have to disagree with you because the existence of unique major ids would have to enable the existence of rare and legendary ones in which they would again be incremental power boosts that still leave uniques behind
misty locust
other games do add pasives that mitigate that issue, pasives that basically are ...
im not entirely on board with the idea but why not do this with rares or legendaries
considering there are also bad rares/legendaries
spare nova
im not entirely on board with the idea but why not do this with rares or legenda...
why not do this to all rarities?
maiden harness
you do it with all rarities then you have the exact same issue you have currently addressed lol
why have shurikens deal an additional 5% water and heal 20 when I can equip the legendary item that has shurikens deal 8% water and heal 50 hp
spare nova
you do it with all rarities then you have the exact same issue you have currentl...
MIDs have the benefit of not neglecting rarities because it can cover small niches, something that pure IDs cannot
rustic grotto
other games do add pasives that mitigate that issue, pasives that basically are ...
silent ballet:
maiden harness
MIDs have the benefit of not neglecting rarities because it can cover small nich...
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean
rustic grotto
are you arguing against the existence of unique/rare offhands
last wolf
if every unique item had just a tiny bit of lore or even a description attached to it, i'd be happy with them
rustic grotto
idk why this guy wants every item to be viable
spare nova
idk why this guy wants every item to be viable
what is wrong with that?
rustic grotto
how many items are in the game
last wolf
idk why this guy wants every item to be viable
that is a fair want tbf
misty locust
i would love if every item was viable however its not very practical
rustic grotto
best case scenario you just get lore
last wolf
tbf, pretty much every item is viable, just not compared to the meta items. the game is just so easy.
maiden harness
welcome to unique lore we got
ten foot pole
misty locust
best case (assuming that balancing was done entirely correctly and everything is theoretically on the same level as a mainhand) is that you have a bunch of weapons that are good at one super super niche tiny thing but the moment u want something optimal for a different niche u have to swap builds
worst case you end up with a landscape where rarity has lost all meaning
rustic grotto
there could be an argument for unique/rare weapons as economic options if legendaries+ werent shit out everywhere
last wolf
welcome to unique lore we got
ten foot pole
"A ten-foot-long pole fashioned by the Troms royalty for regular use in defense against attacking natives and monsters."
spare nova
like you could have 2 items, a mythic with the next MID (example):
"Shurikens deals +50% elemental dmg"
a unique:
"shurikens deal +5% water dmg and heals 50hp"
you can have a mythic that is stronger meta wise, but the other unique item still offers something else
misty locust
tbf, pretty much every item *is* viable, just not compared to the meta items. t...
waiter waiter more content please 🥺
maiden harness
what is wrong with that?
it's a valid want but I think the way you are trying to go about this is kinda ignorant not to be rude
quiet cliff
have you interacted with buildmaking
Super confusing thing to do imo
last wolf
waiter waiter more content please 🥺
no, just nerf meta 🔥
spare nova
in most cases you could choose the mythic but the unique one would still get a use
rustic grotto
Super confusing thing to do imo
its something you can learn 🤯
spare nova
that is something that Pure IDs cannot offer
quiet cliff
Too many items, and hard to stick to a goal when you're roadblocked by sp reqs and such
rustic grotto
you literally have a frame of reference with sugo builds and that resource gets memed on every 2 seconds
like blues builds of ye old times
misty locust
curse of being a public build repo
rustic grotto
gaslight gatekeep girlboss
quiet cliff
Like my first attempt at building was trying to do damage as paladin using Idol
maiden harness
like you could have 2 items, a mythic with the next MID (example):
"Shurikens de...
I'm really sorry but this just comes off to me as clueless like there is not a very real niche in these differences
spare nova
I'm really sorry but this just comes off to me as clueless like there is not a v...
you can have some escenarios to them, for example new ppl could use the second one considering that they don't have sustain and they wanna do LR, they don't know how to do camps and healing provides a relief
that was the case of greed MID
you can have MIDs that has a difference, one being more rewarding than the other but the other does still has a situation at least of usage
in comparison to an ID, an item with 100Heal efficiency in a character with 20khp will always be better than the ones with lesser heal efficiency with the same character
in other games such as ROTMG some ppl use less rare items to compensate certain playstyles, wynncraft could develop more playstyles and niches with this type of treatment to certain items
you could have a weaker version of monster that could have a MID tied to sunflare, maybe something that reduces cooldown and even if is weak, the item could be a mana regen weapon item for teammates, something that doesn't exist rn
maiden harness
whose to say there isn't a healing major id on a legendary that's just overall stronger than the unique one
spare nova
whose to say there isn't a healing major id on a legendary that's just overall s...
there are only 6 MIDs tied to heal
maiden harness
??? what does that have to do with anything
spare nova
you can differenciante both
is like saying that abso is better than lament just because it can heal more
when they have different escenarios
maiden harness
the comparison doesn't work because those are completely different classes
spare nova
what about lament and monster?
they both serve in healing builds and you cannot argue that one is better than the other
maiden harness
that is also just not true lol
spare nova
both serve the same purpose by different routes
both do benefit healing, one with hp and the other with their element (water)
rotund compass
monster healing build 💡
spare nova
monster healing build 💡
is used on wars to high solo
rotund compass
thanks!
maiden harness
there's only so many holes you can fill in the broad term of "healing build"
rotund compass
fatal lb has a heal spell too i think it is a healing build
spare nova
there's only so many holes you can fill in the broad term of "healing build"
just as there's only so many holes you can fill in the broad term of "MID"
tell me a negative point of uncommon items having MID, just one
maiden harness
I just like don't understand where u are trying to go with this if everything has access to major ids then uniques will still be weaker than rares and legendaries
spark roost
tell me a negative point of uncommon items having MID, just one
more major id bloat, i do not want more rusted ichors
maiden harness
healing can only be stretched so far same with tanking dps etc it's just like creating more variables to have to account for
spare nova
more major id bloat, i do not want more rusted ichors
if there is a bloat, then other rarities shouldn't recieve one neither, since it can make a bloat
rotund compass
if everyone is super.. no one is
maiden harness
you will always have that incremental increase from unique to rare to leg etc and even if there's no other item besides a unique that "heals when landing a shuriken" why would anyone use that when you can heal 20x more by using swan dive on the legendary item
spare nova
if everyone is super.. no one is
mythics with MIDs are not better than mythics without it
divzer doesn't have a MID and is better than ignis meta-wise
spare nova
the point of MIDs is not about being meta, is about being viable
maiden harness
divzer doesn't have a MID and is better than ignis meta-wise
what
misty locust
anyways i will give octahedron 16 rainbow requirements 😃
rotund compass
no...?????
spare nova
and adding more diversity
maiden harness
sorry wrong reply
maiden harness
the point of MIDs is not about being meta, is about being viable
what
rotund compass
get him on ct this guy got revolutionary ideas
rotund compass
new patch notes: rebalanced crustacean [Rare, Lv. 6] +water slop: gives 30% water damage on aura
spare nova
except from uncommon weapons aparently
rotund compass
i think uncommon weapons are not viable because they dont exist
maiden harness
what does viable mean to you
you can most definitely clear all content in the game with unique weapons with enough skill or determination
you can do it with normal tier items too
spare nova
what does viable mean to you
the chance of being used for something without an objetivelly better alternative
maiden harness
so that's just never gonna happen
rotund compass
im ngl talking to hami is like a dead end you are genuinely talking to someone who wants fall damage back on mage to proc sunflare
spark roost
the chance of being used for something without an objetivelly better alternative
im sorry but that is not happening with 4k items
spare nova
Kratke for example is not viable on endgame builds because vaward covers the same niche, is not a bad thing because kratke is meant to be used on earlier stages of the game
rotund compass
also what is the point of differentiation of items if all of them are equally good at everything
theres always going to be better alternatives for specific tasks
spare nova
but a uncommon level +90 should be viable (not meta, just viable)
or at least have some flavour
rotund compass
but if theres no reason to use something else over it then its meta and not viable
do you even know what youre saying like this cant be real 😭
maiden harness
yes I am objectively better at healing with shurikens specifically however I am outclassed in every other way I Am Viable
spare nova
but if theres no reason to use something else over it then its meta and not viab...
there is, something called fun
misty locust
you can have fun with an offmeta build
rotund compass
no correlation plot gif
maiden harness
yes I am objectively better at healing with shurikens specifically however I am ...
like is this what you mean
rotund compass
hami top 10 derailers to yap about esoteric ideas
misty locust
goal posts nowhere to be seen
spark roost
octahedron -> unique item -> unique item major ids -> major ids for every item
spare nova
octahedron -> unique item -> unique item major ids -> major ids for every item
MIDs chance for unique items*
maiden harness
spare nova
i don't look for every item to have a MID, i look for items that could have a usage instead of having a direct competence
maiden harness
ok I'm gone
spare nova
https://tenor.com/view/gumball-caveman-dumb-stupid-tawog-gif-1342589220220664396...
if you wanna be dismissive, then go to another place folk
rustic grotto
could you reason on why that is
its also pretty funny how you explain the concept of passive effects to the devs of an mmorpg
wheat fossil
but a uncommon level +90 should be viable (not meta, just viable)
they are all viable
rotund compass
i still dont know what an uncommon is
wheat fossil
lmao
rustic grotto
i still dont know what an uncommon is
uncommon = green
rotund compass
oh!
rustic grotto
rare = blue
epic = purple
legendary = orange/yellow
spare nova
its also pretty funny how you explain the concept of passive effects to the devs...
why?
rustic grotto
pearlescent/exotic: ???
wheat fossil
the chance of being used for something without an objetivelly better alternative
youre not going to have 70+ items of every category each be the best option for something and that idea is pretty ridiculous
spare nova
youre not going to have 70+ items of every category each be the best option for ...
why is that something bad?
quiet cliff
youre not going to have 70+ items of every category each be the best option for ...
Then don't give me those 70+ items
spare nova
or ridiculous
wheat fossil
?? im saying its not possible for every endgame item to be the best for some certain situation
rustic grotto
Then don't give me those 70+ items
https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-speed-ishowspeed-speed-laugh-ishowspeed-laugh-gif-3259526663984568833
spark roost
ims are not removing 80% of the item pool lol
spare nova
?? im saying its not possible for every endgame item to be the best for some cer...
a lot of games do this, why wynncraft cannot come with that?
wheat fossil
bro i give up
quiet cliff
Don't have a fucking gargoyle next to TCC give me some useless items I can't use in combat nor sell for a reasonable profit
spare nova
ims are not removing 80% of the item pool lol
why not improving it?
rustic grotto
did you know ishowspeed had a 10/10 imdb rating before it was removed by bad actors within the imdb community
spare nova
100% of LoL items are viable at a certain situation
rustic grotto
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wheat fossil
all wynncraft items are viable in certain situations there just not the best possible option
you are confusing viable and meta
spare nova
all wynncraft items are viable in certain situations there just not the best pos...
they are not viable when:
X item gives: 2 int
Y item gives 10 int
wheat fossil
if you can clear the content with X item then by definition they are
spare nova
like there is no point of item X to exist if they cover the same level range
wheat fossil
what if i want to use X
spare nova
what is the purpose of item x?
quiet cliff
all wynncraft items are viable in certain situations there just not the best pos...
I'm lv 105
A gargoyle next to TCC is not going to give me a unique that will make me want to experiment with it in the raid
wheat fossil
fun, making other better items rarer, flavour
spark roost
we fr talking in circles
wheat fossil
yeah tbh the only solution you have come up with is removing 90% of items in the pool
which is obv ridiculous
spare nova
fun, making other better items rarer, flavour
how can it be fun that an item is neglected and garbage?
quiet cliff
For quests, maybe
spare nova
tell me what percentage of ppl uses off-meta items?
just because of fun (and not bc they don't know about building)
last wolf
tell me what percentage of ppl uses off-meta items?
everyone that has less than 30stx
quiet cliff
You're throwing if you go into a high level raid with random uniques
last wolf
You're throwing if you go into a high level raid with random uniques
toes tickler
quiet cliff
...
last wolf
tell me what percentage of ppl uses off-meta items?
fr tho there should be some worse items than the very best ones so that they can be sold for cheaper than the best ones so people can make usable builds to save up for better 👍
quiet cliff
fr tho there should be some worse items than the very best ones so that they can...
There's like 1 non mythic build per archetype that are considered "not throwing" for raids
spare nova
fr tho there should be some worse items than the very best ones so that they can...
this is another point too, uncommon shouldn't be this weak or neglected bc the moment you use them as a new player you are called troll, even if is the only thing that you have and has good rolls
misty locust
having played with shitass offmeta builds for most of my pfinder raids i ensure u that u can also just play decently well and not throw
last wolf
There's like 1 non mythic build per archetype that are considered "not throwing"...
i could run cascade morph and solo gtna, but the meta is so far ahead that it's throwing by comparison. this is a meta issue
spare nova
having played with shitass offmeta builds for most of my pfinder raids i ensure ...
what about bad or average players? one thing is being good and playing off-meta and another one is being bad or average
quiet cliff
Yeah no a bad player with an off meta build is a dead weight
misty locust
then u go for the more powerful meta builds
spare nova
then u go for the more powerful meta builds
yeah, but if you are a bad new player you get nothing
i have friends who didn't get their first stx until they played for 2 months, casual players doesn't get as much economy
last wolf
do easier content until you can afford better builds 
spare nova
do easier content until you can afford better builds <:like:700049689487343735>
they did quests, however they do reward poorly
and if you are a bad player you cannot even do qira or legendary island
i have to help some players to do them, casual players
rustic grotto
they did quests, however they do reward poorly
ok so we havent played the same game
quiet cliff
ok so we havent played the same game
You've also been playing for years
spare nova
ok so we havent played the same game
you cannot get more than 2 stx in Le with quests
rustic grotto
3 stx is a cheap fatal build
last wolf
you cannot get more than 2 stx in Le with quests
that's enough to buy a strong enough build for even a bad player to do decently in raids
rustic grotto
even 2
spare nova
3 stx is a cheap fatal build
you expect a average or bad player to play fatal cheap build?
they die with rainbow and tank builds
last wolf
you get far more value from quests than 2stx btw, if you sell just a couple high-cost items from quests, you can buy a solid build.
rustic grotto
yes bro its bmask rbc slap 😹
rustic grotto
they die with rainbow and tank builds
😭 😂 ✌️
last wolf
you expect a average or bad player to play fatal cheap build?
it's fair to say a bad player should die using a bad build in raids, frequently.
spare nova
you get far more value from quests than 2stx btw, if you sell just a couple high...
most high-cost items are kinda roll dependant, and you have items renda which you can miss if you are a new player
last wolf
sell them unid
but yea, renda a new player will probably miss
spare nova
i missed renda on my 3 first classes bc i liked bone wand
spare nova
it's fair to say a bad player *should* die using a bad build in raids, frequentl...
not on raids, but like on easier content like dungeons, world events or LI
i do help a lot of them and i have to use Aco/LB with heal/aura spam to make them able to get there
i can see unique items as a way to cover those needs btw
quiet cliff
sell them unid
but yea, renda a new player will probably miss
Raise blacksmith unid selling to 32e at minimum
At least that makes me gain a minor profit on all the worthless unid items I get from Lootruns and daily rewards
quiet cliff
if you id them u sell them for a profit to blacksmith
No
spare nova
if you id them u sell them for a profit to blacksmith
no
wheat fossil
why would you sell unid items to blacksmith
last wolf
not on raids, but like on easier content like dungeons, world events or LI
I would expect even a small group of bad players to consistently succeed at world events, slightly less so in dungeons, and significantly less so in LI
spare nova
you can lose em if you have bad luck even
thats another reason why i would like items like octahedron have less ids, having less ids is playing less with gambling
wheat fossil
No
did they change this??? i swear you make a small profit iding and selling any unid item to blacksmith (apart from fableds)
last wolf
if you id them u sell them for a profit to blacksmith
this is sometimes true, but not always true. it depends on the level range and rarity of the item.
spare nova
did they change this??? i swear you make a small profit iding and selling any un...
you can get small profits, however is very risky and not worth it
wheat fossil
pretty sure on avg you make money back and its not risky bcos its barely any loss and you do so many it avgs out
last wolf
did they change this??? i swear you make a small profit iding and selling any un...
there is currently a level range of fableds that does ID & sell for profit, on average
quiet cliff
did they change this??? i swear you make a small profit iding and selling any un...
I have lost EB on identifying and selling legendaries and rares
last wolf
I have lost EB on identifying and selling legendaries and rares
the range of emeralds you get from blacksmith is very wide, so it's possible you just got unlucky. it's also possible you were selling rares/legendaries in a level range that costs more to identify than it gives back from sale
a couple months ago, I was able to buy unid fableds of a certain level off TM, identify them, and sell them for an overall profit
i also did this for certain legendaries, but the profit margins were too slim for rares for it to be worth the time
quiet cliff
I've had multiple moments where I've ID'd something for 14eb out of the 30eb I had in my pouch
Then I sold it to blacksmith and got 10eb back because RNG makes sense
last wolf
anyways, what does all this have to do with the topic
last wolf
I've had multiple moments where I've ID'd something for 14eb out of the 30eb I h...
that happens sometimes
quiet cliff
that happens sometimes
Yeah and you get a mythic from Lootruns "sometimes"
spare nova
a couple months ago, I was able to buy unid fableds of a certain level off TM, i...
yeah is only worth to roll unique/rare items that are expensive on TM to sell them at a good price if they are good
last wolf
i don't gamble unless I know the odds are in my favor
last wolf
yeah is only worth to roll unique/rare items that are expensive on TM to sell th...
i mean sell to blacksmith.
spare nova
i mean sell to blacksmith.
yeah, you sell the ones with bad rolls and once you can get a nice one to sell at +32 eb
last wolf
that's not much profit for taking up a trade market slot
but it is something, better to do it than have nothing for sale
spare nova
for example i sell cascades with +70%
spare nova
that's not much profit for taking up a trade market slot
i do this because sometimes i sell items too fast
for example i got 1 page of +70 oa libra, once i sell them all, i sell uncommon rares that i get on chests
last wolf
bro is market manipulating libras 😭
spare nova
i sell them for underpay, but is higher than blacksmith
spare nova
bro is market manipulating libras 😭
i do sell them cheaper than average
and when they aren't on LR
i profit and lower the price of them in TM
after all is just a by product of my farming
wheat fossil
yeah is only worth to roll unique/rare items that are expensive on TM to sell th...
random boxes from 1 loot chest
cost to identify: 1668
blacksmith avg: (864+2600)/2 = 1732
like yeah u dont really make money but you can id and blacksmith whatever and keep the good rolls and you wont lose money
spare nova
bro is market manipulating libras 😭
my libra with higher id roll and same mr // others
last wolf
my libra with higher id roll and same mr // others
you don't have to justify what you're doing with the market to me, but yea, I thought you were market manipping and this does seem to prove otherwise
spare nova
you don't have to justify what you're doing with the market to me, but yea, I th...
and if you are a friend i usually sell them for 20-30 Le
like there is no point on being greedy
rotund compass
why do people not understand that rarity has correlation with power but is not everything
uniques arent good int he meta because theyre common and easy to get
its like if you were playing pokemon and legendaries were not better than the fuckass pidgey you find int he grass
rustic grotto
Clash Royale solved this issue with Evolutions
rotund compass
yeah there are always outliers where certain shit is better at x and thats hwy its favored but like that is literally the point of differentiation in games
unborn talon
same reason they arent playing with any other endgame unique
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