Trickster should be nerfed

[limpid vine]

Which is like half the damage of idol

[merry solstice]

I stopped playing monk a while ago
playing the worst archetype in the game gets tiring 😔

[limpid vine]

I mean like it’s warrior so like u can’t really get worse than 360 degree free damage

acrobat still remains ahh in rooms

[merry solstice]

true

[silk musk]

What, you mean you don't like being forced to hold platforms?

Yes it's genuinely ass in rooms LOL

[limpid vine]

I general having a mob yanked away from you by someone else is able to unpleasant experience 🥀

[glad moss]

no? i tried several times running grim on nol, its just terrible because you lose your clones more often

[coarse garden]

oh okay

didn't think of the clone part

ig it largely depends on wether you have agro

and if ur teamates are nice

[glad moss]

and due to its limited reach, glass grim would always die while it's trying to do some dmg

shaman and bolts are far more better choices for meta parties

the biggest problem for trickster in nol is that you cant proc your mirage to reduce your mirrors cd and once the orphion start Rampage, you have to stay there doing nothing but waiting for cds and messing up your cds again because you have to cast dash to avoid getting oneshot by orphion's crash

ive tried 1big mac guardian and 3 reso party in nol, that would finish the battle like in one sec because big mac charges reso's blood pool at the start of the battle. Usually acos have to wait accumulating blood pool at the start of the boss fight, big mac solves that

[glad moss]

while waiting for cds, the mobs roaming around the boss room becomes the biggest problem, you can only hope there would be a super aoe class like shaman, fallen or bolt to help you out unless you like to spending tons of mana casting single spin(not 3rd spells cause you would mess up your cds again)

in total glassy trickster is not the options for nol

[coarse garden]

shatter reso I assume?

[glad moss]

idk im the big mac, i think they are just casting ec and bs

[coarse garden]

how fast did the boss die

and was this post nerf?

[glad moss]

i don remember but its just like the fastest: orphion can only do one move then he goes to the sun and then die

like 5 secs one phase ig

[glad moss]

i rly think you should just try these "meta" before you saying anything abt it

the feeling you gave me is like you don know anything abt trikster in actual combat. i feel like the only thing you know is that cata/grim is doing incredible dps on dummy

[granite whale]

...I have been summoned...

[coarse garden]

I’ve seen some meta builds just not all of them

[coarse garden]

Oh okay I’ve had a party that did that, we had a bmonk even which was crazy

[merry solstice]

"we had a bmonk even which was crazy" 😭

geegee bmonk is officially cooked

[coarse garden]

???

[coarse garden]

Nah I’ve used nulli tank smokestack and easily carried g raid tna in a few minutes

I’ve also seen cata videos of it doing ridiculous damage in raids.

[coarse garden]

I have information on these things, I just like confirming with multiple types of sources and builds.

[coarse garden]

I’ve seen tank tricksters deal divzer damage in raids

[mystic gull]

Was this before trickster rework

[arctic jacinth]

Smokespam

Aka bug abuse

Or just misleading "dps" which is actually just the theoretically possible dps peak during a few seconds of burst

[mystic gull]

ah yea

ts does not count brudda

[coarse garden]

No after, trickster smoke stack is crazy broken, good that it’s being removed

That’s mostly what this thread is about

[mystic gull]

I wouldn't call that a nerf. I'd call that a patch or a fix.

[coarse garden]

Some bugs are kept, also there were people proposing it wasn’t a bug, which was proven wrong but only after I made a post on it.

I’m personally fine as long as smoke stacking gets removed(which it is going to be🙂)

[coarse garden]

How many ppl here agree that acrobat deserves a buff?

I'm considering making a post on it but want to make sure I'm not just being delusional

[winged nest]

the devs are aware

specifically term. acro is getting buffs in the next patch and more qol in the future

[coarse garden]

Also ripple does not seem to do like anything

[winged nest]

term is still iffy on some stuff but we should be able to convince him of more

[coarse garden]

yay 🙂

[winged nest]

idt you need to make another thread since thats basically all the assassin rework feedback thread has devolved into lol

[vagrant umbra]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1326500161450410078

[coarse garden]

okay thanks

[winged nest]

its like 90% acro 9% trick and 1% shade atp

[vagrant umbra]

we did have a good dicussion about shade fairly recently

[coarse garden]

I dropped a hana from annie yesterday, 96% elemntal damage, 33% multihit cost, and 66% smoke bomb cost, think it's a good roll?

[winged nest]

keep tbh

with a good enough build the costs dont matter

[coarse garden]

k thanks

[winged nest]

hana is my comfort pick on acro when im not playing good enough for cata or nirv

its oddly reliable and outputs good damage

[coarse garden]

even hana can only deal like 300k dps, other annie mythics far outclass it

[winged nest]

thats partially an acro thing yeah

[coarse garden]

that's with crafteds, non crafted is like 200k

[winged nest]

my noncrafted does 300ish

[coarse garden]

which is really sad for an annie mythic

[coarse garden]

huh I thought crafted did 300k but maybe I'm wrong

Still could be a lot better, and almost no one plays acro anymore for viability, only for fun or cause they dropped a hana or smth

[winged nest]

it was only played for viability a little during 2.0, rn its sad

[coarse garden]

I rarely see acros in raids and when I do they deal very low damage compared to other players in the party

[winged nest]

heres the build btw, can defo be optimized but its good enough
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder/#CM0jxG0Eiw3X7m05swG15ms1AFuE0uzg+DswEe2

Wynnbuilder build:
Gnossis
Phantasmagoria
Funambulist
Capricorn
Moon Pool Circlet
Draoi Fair
Prowess
Reckoning
Hanafubuki []

[coarse garden]

not to mention pretty glassy ehp

[winged nest]

uh... this is acro

19k is tanky af

this build is really hard to die in (unless you skill issue like me)

the only times i die are when i do something REALLY stupid (miscast and fly right into greg, or fly directly into one of those void hole shooty things)

[coarse garden]

fair

[winged nest]

it isnt like cata where i die every 2 ms lol

[coarse garden]

And agility needs to fail

[winged nest]

i wouldnt totally rely on agi but if you play like normal acro this build should do fine

[coarse garden]

you could compare almost any glass cannon to cata and claim it's tanky in comparison

[winged nest]

lol true, i think i survive better on divzer than cata

and nirv is just a good midpoint between the two

[coarse garden]

Nice thing about having a hana build is that you will be ready for the buff when it comes.

I'm gonna put a hana build together soon

[winged nest]

hana alr got buffed and imo its in a good spot, just that acro needs to be buffed

like i have a reason to run hana over any other dagger

[coarse garden]

Hana is mid but for an annie mythic it's sorta underpowered, reso gets more dps and can play support

It's viable but not meta exactly

[winged nest]

again, i blame it on acro rather than hana being weak. its a solid dagger with surprising damage for the ehp

[coarse garden]

I agree that acro is the real problem tho

[winged nest]

it just lacks any sort of gimmick like the other annie weapons

[coarse garden]

Yeah I like the elemental damage thing, it allows for more unique spell damage building builds

[winged nest]

reso has the bsorrow thing, bbath has -mr, laby is laby, and trance is not a thing

[coarse garden]

even trance rivals hana damage if I'm correct, doesn't it get like 250k dps with decent tankyness and heals?

[winged nest]

i blame it again on acro being acro

comparing acro build to acro build hana/nirv/cata seem to all be in a really good spot

this is really obvious when you plug in weathered or something. the damage just falls off a cliff (obli is ms but once acro gets ms use i think i will join hana/nirv/cata)

[glad moss]

omg how can tanky trickster outdmg divzer, its the skill issues problem

[coarse garden]

I met someone in pfinder who got like 700k dps they said

And we had two divzers and they did similar damage to us.

Divzer gets like 650k

[glad moss]

yeah you've seen because they just simply post out the well-performed demos, not like the one they failed and died. From my perspective, spin cata is only good for tcc boss room because it can proc mirage to tigger sandbagging and constantly deal dmg by having their clones on

[glad moss]

no? because you can get noxious buff from trick?

[coarse garden]

I did several runs with them and they consistently performed almost as well as divzer while being almost immortal(as I said we had two divzers so it was easy to average out)

[coarse garden]

If ur standing in smoke bomb, which is very hard as a glass cannon

[glad moss]

how is that hard??????

[coarse garden]

Mobility is your greatest asset in defense, if you have to stand in smoke bomb you give that up

Smokestack occurs literally on top of the boss, so if divzer wants the extra damage they would need to go inside the boss and get one shot

You’ve played smokestack with a divzer before I assume?

[glad moss]

im not denying that trickster performs better than divzer in boss room, but that only for glassy tricksters

its what i've done with glassy grim

[coarse garden]

It doesn’t out damage divzer but gets close

[coarse garden]

Wow impressive gg

[glad moss]

but divzer can get noxious rly easily cuz i ve run tcc using div like many many times with trickster

[coarse garden]

Only in TCC

On other bosses to get into the smoke bomb area you would be getting very close to the boss

[glad moss]

yeah but you can rarely meet tricksters in other raids

[coarse garden]

I meet quite a few tricksters, but maybe I’m just lucky or smth

As for bosses moving, with a good team you can keep the boss in smoke area

Imagine a full nulli trickster smokestack party with war consumables XD

Would almost be harder to die then to win

[glad moss]

pfinders wont serve for you. but yeah trickster does rly well with good team work

[glad moss]

im not using consumables btw

[coarse garden]

Then again teamwork takes skill as well so ig that’s the main downside, needing coordination.

[devout marten]

Just so you're aware, Annie mythics are not meant to be stronger than regular mythics

[merry solstice]

hello?
why you pinging me sir

[candid salmon]

mythics dropped from the strongest boss in the game that typically requires a team of 10 people to quickly kill

mythics from it that are rare are not supposed to be more powerful

???

[devout marten]

Mythics are mythics. Mythics dropped from any particular activity have not been designed to be stronger than mythics dropped from anywhere else

[candid salmon]

i will disagree with you there, they should be stronger as they are more exlusive but i can see your thought process

[devout marten]

It's not a point of disagreement its the express design choices of the item makers

its obviously fine to think they should be stronger but the aren't supposed to be

[stark timber]

All of the anni mythics are like 100-105 though, some of the highest level mythics atm, and they're pretty much objectively the hardest mythics to get because you are limited to 1 chance per 3 days (assuming you are unemployed, don't sleep, and thus will even be able to try each one). There's also no skill expression besides winning the event at all to determine how fast you get them, unlike lootrunning.

I have a hard time believing the item makers all think all mythics should be the exact same level of strength when they have different methods of obtaining them and range from level 65 to 104.

At the very least for being near max level the anni mythics should be stronger than most other mythics, I don't think that's crazy to say on top of the fact they're much harder to get. I'm personally a fan of less overall differences in equipment strength to make the game friendlier to new and casual players, but it's a little ridiculous for some of the hardest items to get in the game to be literally worse than the easier alternatives (looking at hana and trance, reso is strong, bloodbath is good for what it does, laby idk how good it is rn).

[final marlin]

Mythics have been nerfed before to make their efficiency reflect their corresponding level range

[limpid vine]

Well like the low lvl ones are pretty weak comparatively

except ashock technically

Ashock is still pgood compared to sstar

And apoc melee is a bit better too

But like everything beyond lvl 90 is all the same

[coarse garden]

okay my bad

[coarse garden]

wdym by bmonk is cooked lol, am I missing some secret meta build or smth?

[devout marten]

well obviously level plays a part in the strength of every item

but if a mythic comes from annie it doesn't mean it should be stronger. Thats the core of what im saying

[coarse garden]

Thanks for the correction, still, buff acro 🙂

plz

[stark timber]

I think they should at least all on par with mythics at the max level range, which I don’t think hana and trance really are

[coarse garden]

hana is a good mythic it's just that acro isn't a strong class rn

[winged nest]

hana is on par. it gets solid ehp and has good dps

[coarse garden]

still wouldn't hurt for acro to get a buff, hana is fine as it is

[stark timber]

Agi ehp isn’t that useful, especially since it’s at a pretty mediocre value

When you get hit you get hit very hard, but yeah I guess it’s more of an acro issue

However, the item is also basically useless without a very good roll on it. I don’t think things should be only balanced around their best values

[winged nest]

i mean from running it in tna a ton, it works fine. it is really reliable and agi procs enough that it is a bit hard to die on

[coarse garden]

Yeah I love defense…

[coarse garden]

True but there are far cheaper items like Olympic that can get better damage with better ehp and other qol things

A decent Hana is at least 10 stacks iirc

You can buy a decent Olympic for under 2 stacks

[winged nest]

thats true, but that goes back to the "should anni mythics be stronger than normal ones"

[coarse garden]

It’s not even equal to Olympic, Olympic is a better option in most situations. I have an Olympic build with double the ehp of ur Hana build and similar if not better dps

[winged nest]

again, acro problem not hana problem

[devout marten]

theres always gonna be something thats better lets be real

[coarse garden]

Yeah that’s why I can’t wait for an acro buff

[winged nest]

im waiting for this wednesday

[coarse garden]

True but acro is way below anything else, Hana is pretty much the only viable option.

[winged nest]

cata/nirv are both solid for acro

nirv is still meta option and cata is the haha funny dagger

[devout marten]

The way I know that its not bad is that every person i speak to says a different version of "x weapon is the only viable one"

[coarse garden]

I’m pretty sure shade and trick are far better options for those mythics

[winged nest]

any dagger is better on those two

[devout marten]

something else being better doesn't mean that its unusable on the first thing

things aint so black and white lol

[tranquil phoenix]

cata acro is quite solid for dps

[winged nest]

hana/nirv/cata are all good daggers and imo they are all pretty balanced

then you got weathered/inferno/nulli acro which is...

obli would join hana/nirv/cata if acro could use ms

[tranquil phoenix]

i’d do many things to make oblivion acro usable lol

my favourite dagger cant be used on acro :(

[coarse garden]

So do plan to buff it or not?

You could say depressing stick is usable because someone almost soloed Annie with it.

[winged nest]

Acro buffs have been confirmed for a while…

[devout marten]

#1326500161450410078 message

[devout marten]

well no you couldn't because thats an exaggeration

[coarse garden]

Well I’ve heard they are buffing it but what you just said made me want to double check

[devout marten]

but I could say that doing 250k instead of 500k is perfectly usable because 250k still kills almost all content easily and puts you way above the average player even in raids

[coarse garden]

At the end of the day you can do what you want as you are the admin, I’m already far more than grateful enough to have wynncraft as a game.

[coarse garden]

Ig it also depends on what you think the average dps should be.

[winged nest]

I will say i still wish hana was more gimmicky

[devout marten]

my main point is that balancing becomes way more difficult when the level of "acceptable" has this insane range depending on who you ask lmao

[compact gyro]

like for example, my lspine lr build does ~400k peak burst dps (30w)

depending on who you ask, this is either amazing or trash because theirs does 800k or 1.2m

[devout marten]

"good dps" has become such a rollercoaster that seems to vary just as much depending on the day of the week and what you had for breakfast this morning as it does what weapon/archetype you're using lmao

[compact gyro]

why do i agree with this more than i feel like 😭

[coarse garden]

I had muffins and sausages this morning so I’m feeling in a buff acro mood, maybe tomorrow I should have waffles and that will change my mind.

[devout marten]

😂 this is genuinly how i feel sometimes when i read threads here

[final marlin]

cause it's the truth

[compact gyro]

like today i picked up cosmic foundations and i believe it is a good set

[honest cairn]

soon my war tank paladin will deal 1m dps, but this will be almost nothing

[honest cairn]

i still hate that that works

[tranquil phoenix]

kinda real actually, the fact that this post has more dislikes than likes despite trickster blatantly being a top contender for the strongest class in the game is a good example of that xd

[compact gyro]

funny

[honest cairn]

:(

[compact gyro]

i think cfoundations nulli trickster is better

2k+ rainbow resistances

[coarse garden]

Terminated upvoted and Terminated counts for like 15 so more upvotes than downvotes fr

[tranquil phoenix]

🤯

[winged nest]

I downvoted cuz he was implying trick needed more than removing smokestack

[tranquil phoenix]

i mean it does

[winged nest]

Ill change it

[coarse garden]

Ig I came across wrong

[tranquil phoenix]

smoke stack isnt what props trickster up this much

[winged nest]

It kinda is

[coarse garden]

But it’s most of its power

[tranquil phoenix]

no, spin cycle on trickster is extremely good too

[coarse garden]

Spinboozle is op but not as game breaking as smoke stack

[winged nest]

How much dps and with how much ehp?

[tranquil phoenix]

it’s not as good as smoke, but it’s incredibly strong

[coarse garden]

So I’m willing to compromise

[coarse garden]

I’ve used spin boozle and it gets like 400 or 500k bursts on a tank build lol

[winged nest]

Bursts…

[tranquil phoenix]

i’ll need to test i havent played it in a while, but i can vouch that it is very strong

[coarse garden]

Not much downtime because of sandbagging too

[winged nest]

How much downtime?

[tranquil phoenix]

identical

[coarse garden]

Look I already said I’m fine as long as they remove smokestack, as for your question is probably sustains 300k with a good player and 90k ehp if you don’t add clones or vanish

[winged nest]

Even a 2:1 uptime/downtime ratio makes 400k bursts balanced

[winged nest]

That seems pretty fair for trick. Maybe a bit high but imo thats fine

[coarse garden]

Most of the downtime is removed by an ability called sandbagging

[coarse garden]

The main reason I made this post was for smokestack which sustains 500k or 600k with hyper tank

[tranquil phoenix]

the thing with this is that you’ll almost never need 90k ehp in almost any situation

[coarse garden]

Never hurts to have extra lol

[tranquil phoenix]

except it does because you can transfer that ehp into dps

i use a 15k ehp trickster build and feel invincible

[winged nest]

Can you proc sandbagging on it?

[coarse garden]

What dps? Smokestack or spin?

[tranquil phoenix]

yep

[winged nest]

Tf how

[tranquil phoenix]

smoke, around 900k-1mil on bosses. i use obli

[coarse garden]

Possibly agility or smth, also wynncraft has a lot of small hits

[tranquil phoenix]

nah i have 35 def

[coarse garden]

This is why I made this post

[stark timber]

Mirage procs sandbagging

[winged nest]

Ohhh

[coarse garden]

This too

[tranquil phoenix]

yeah mirage is the best non-red ability on trickster im ngl

if you dont use mirage your tree is 10 times worse

[stark timber]

(And they still don’t tell you what it does in the description)

[tranquil phoenix]

yeah lol

[coarse garden]

Could you test how much this gets on spinboozle?

[tranquil phoenix]

im doing that rn

[coarse garden]

K thanks

[stark timber]

And you’re talking about the dps during the burst?

With everything hitting

[coarse garden]

For the oblivion build?

Smokestack isn’t too bursty iirc

[tranquil phoenix]

peak 1.3 mil on my first attempt

[stark timber]

Ok that is dummy damage

[tranquil phoenix]

i cant raid rn :P

[coarse garden]

Does it perform well in raids?

[tranquil phoenix]

ofc

[coarse garden]

There, that’s the proof

[tranquil phoenix]

i wouldnt be vouching for this if it didnt

[coarse garden]

Also I’ve seen tricksters perform very well in raids

[tranquil phoenix]

oh i dont even have the right aspects on oops

[stark timber]

Yeah my point is just that peak numbers don’t represent actual dps you’re doing in a raid because bosses move and stuff, it’s just a reference number between equivalent builds

[coarse garden]

I would ask your build but I know this is getting nerfed sooo…

[stark timber]

I think it’d be reasonable to nerf smoke which we know they’re doing because it does a lot when it’s working perfectly, but I think spin would have to be compensated

[tranquil phoenix]

it's not difficult to have the boss aggro you on trickster. you can easily tank it if it does

[coarse garden]

also that much burst is enough to phase any boss instantly lol

Imagine a full party of that

[tranquil phoenix]

i can vouch that it is :P

[stark timber]

How bad is the qol, do you just try to melee a lot?

I usually run tanky grim

[tranquil phoenix]

not a lot, its super slow attack speed

and its extremely close range so its not like you have to go out of your way to do it

[stark timber]

Well yeah I just mean i think it’d be kinda awkward because trick is a bit slow and clunky

[tranquil phoenix]

when i was early into playing trickster, yeah it was difficulty to get used to

but ive played it for 150-200 hours now so ive gotten used to it

[stark timber]

When I played oblivion shade I had trouble mostly on tna with following the boss

[coarse garden]

If the boss phases in 2 seconds you don’t need mobility

[tranquil phoenix]

this too

[stark timber]

Kept missing the melee, nol was a lot easier though

[coarse garden]

Even without a good party you can phase onol or TNA on your own in like 8 seconds

It has like double divzer damage, and divzer is very strong rn

[final marlin]

It's dummy meaning all spins be hitting.
Peak..
And you for sure will have some seconds downtime even with perfect sandbagging meaning if you burst so fast that you peak 1.6mil your average of that will literally be half if not less

[stark timber]

I guess if your damage is high enough to kill in one cycle yeah, but divzer has a lot of advantages for general qol, you’re running around super fast killing everything around you constantly, some automatically with guardian angels

[tranquil phoenix]

bro if im doing this on the boss then the hitbox will be bigger than the dummy's

[final marlin]

that true on tcc

[tranquil phoenix]

and it's not hard to get aggro on trickster you do a lot of hits

ive run this build over 500 times in tna. granted it was smokes most of the time but i had no trouble staying on top of the boss

[final marlin]

oh okay

[tranquil phoenix]

bamboozle's movement helps a lot with this too

[final marlin]

might just be my unknowledgable ass because I only played nirv trick on tcc ever and that's it

[tranquil phoenix]

fair

[stark timber]

If the boss is actually aggrod on you and not the clones how are you not taking too much damage

[tranquil phoenix]

assassin is my most played class

[final marlin]

but still I think you're disregarding the few seconds downtime even with peak sandbagging proccing that occur

[tranquil phoenix]

soul siphon + EHP

[coarse garden]

Double damage is a lot to sacrifice for qol…

[final marlin]

which literally slice your dps since its nothing when clones down
the issue that smoke doesnt have

[stark timber]

I’m surprised 15k is enough for that

[tranquil phoenix]

i have 19.5k base

[stark timber]

Oh 20k

[tranquil phoenix]

yeah i thought it was 15k but i upgraded my build

either way 90k is so overblown xd

[coarse garden]

Wrong, 19.656k

[tranquil phoenix]

🤯 im sorry

[stark timber]

Smoke kinda does, the number builds up to the peak over a few seconds, but the damage is overall a bit more spread out

[coarse garden]

If anyone has a video of a TCC fight with 3 of something like this and one acolyte for buffs I would love to see that…

[tranquil phoenix]

atp use cata

it does like double the damage of this im not exaggerating

i have a clip i think

[coarse garden]

Okay well 3 cata and one reso acolyte

That would be a sight

[slender void]

It would be 1 cata 1 guard 1 reso 1 something else

[tranquil phoenix]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/lo7t9ZOS1sbMkMNb3?invite=cr-MSxoUXksMjcxNzU1MjA4&v=96

some notes:
while it is true that there is a reso in the party, at the start of phase 3 you can see me peak just under 2 mil dps and easily sustain over 1 mil when the reso dies
also this is not meant to prove the EHP of the build as i'm being kept alive by a pala and a reso at the same time. mostly just showing to prove that spin attack is extremely strong on trickster, smoke is just barely better

oh and my tree was kinda scuffed cuz this was my first raid on spin trickster after swapping from smoke trickster. i didnt even have shadow travel and i only used 44/45 AP

[coarse garden]

Wow gg well played

[tough ivy]

0 downtime in tna since with good timing u get 2 clone cycles every phase

[tranquil phoenix]

🤝

[tough ivy]

this is also old and i made the build better since than

[arctic jacinth]

dude

100% comp it please
you have more hours on that ONE CLASS ALONE than i have on wynn

[limpid vine]

tbh this is more of like a fundamental design issue

[tranquil phoenix]

hell no

i hate questing

[arctic jacinth]

fair

[limpid vine]

assassin 🥀

[coarse garden]

keep telling that to the 41 downvoters on this thread, kinda lost hope atp

[tough ivy]

idrc !

[coarse garden]

At least smoke stack is being removed.

also build?!?

[novel gust]

Gatekeeping it like its their personal info

[coarse garden]

k

[novel gust]

Because people’s worth goes down to 0 when they share their wynncraft builds 😔

[coarse garden]

My worth is at 0 ig

[merry solstice]

you said you had a fast raid clear "with a bmonk which was crazy"
which I assume means your saying its crazy how we had a fast clear with a bmonk
and I reacted with 😭 because bmonk has been like the worst archetype in the game for a while now and when people are saying oh we had a good clear and it was with a bmonk, in my eyes bmonk is officially cooked

[merry solstice]

gaslight gatekeep girlboss 🤫

[glad moss]

im running on this build but i only get like 6~8m/10s in sustain(proc mirage every cycle)?
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder/#CM0bu41YAY6Y6kCqCNAd9I0Id82CIUImOiOm0iK8Ja0HWPYP2+2+2N2N2SY441c9c9uBuBS9S9m9IG4OcOcWlWlmbmbOc81HWPYP2+2+2N2NISY40GkHSvVkBf8Vy992

Wynnbuilder build:
Prosencephalon
CR-48g8Q8QuoGpSfSc81
Chaos-Woven Greaves
CR-4OayaWnOnW1OfGc81
CR-4OcOcWlWlmbmb0d81
CR-4OcOcWlWlmbmb0d81
CR-4OcOcWlWlmbmbOc81
CR-4OcOcWlWlmbmb4d81
Oblivion [w6w6w6w6]

with shade tree i can do like 7~8m/10s btw

with smokestacking tree its 10m~13m/10s

how is spin strong i doubt..... its only in tna you can have that nice performance cause you get 2 clone cycles after every watch

[viscid fox]

lul

[glad moss]

https://youtu.be/a_WfpeyUw3o?si=Q-dx5e_e9c9igJE3

btw, its hard to control the shadow's cd using spin tree

[stark timber]

when you're standing on the dummy i think it constantly proccs sandbagging

[coarse garden]

Okay my bad I’m stupid

[viscid fox]

i think it might've been me 😭

[coarse garden]

wait I think it was XD

Didn't you say it was morph b monk bonk or smth??

it was in onol and we killed the boss very fast

[viscid fox]

hell yeah morph 4 evah don't look at my build

[coarse garden]

Wait so it WAS you?! how much dps did you get lol

cause that was a rly fast clear, first pfinder party that ever matched my divzer damage completely

[viscid fox]

it's like 360k if im running optimal setup which i was

[coarse garden]

I also have a skill issue tho so it may have been that

[coarse garden]

on bmonk?! I'm assuming the build is secret.

I have a friend who carried g raid TCC with 50k dps bmonk because he didn't have a good build

[viscid fox]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder/#CM0e10-CHWHoX16ZaHxIx1RY482CIECmOaCQNQF8Ja0HmZXRoZXRIQoU2SY441F6k9F6k9f9x9m9IG4yOucyOucacidOc81HmZXRoZXRIQoUISY4WgcbeE-1+30QF+YRCr3z
public build sharing
it is a purely raiding build fit to my own preferences

[coarse garden]

yay my friend will love that

thanks

[viscid fox]

idk if your friend will like 30 dura crafteds and 6/8 cr

[coarse garden]

idk, he's good at the game but doesn't have a second class maxed, I think he would be happy to sacrifice crafting money and some time for actually good damage. I'll tell him who I got it from and help him get the items.

[coarse garden]

last thing, what cycle?

[viscid fox]

from what i've seen i cycle pretty differently to other people but i do it like this:
4233 (initialize generalist on upper)
rest of the time:
423 (gen on upper, main damage)
424233 (proc gen on scream and return back to gen on upper)