Stop nerfing divzer

[onyx sorrel]

With the right build

[kindred forum]

skill floor will be raised after the patch

[tame oar]

who in their minds plays shatter

[hearty onyx]

?

[tame oar]

dtotem can use ec which goes so hard

[hearty onyx]

so can shatter?

[kindred forum]

i would play dt if I wanted to fall asleep while playing

[onyx sorrel]

Maybe nerf trick and aco first before taking archer down again

[tame oar]

aco is fine ngl, anni mythics should do that much

[onyx sorrel]

There are far bigger problems then divzer

[onyx sorrel]

Hana in the corner

[tame oar]

they need to buff some tho yes

[kindred forum]

i think aco's kit brings a little too much, but the main issue is the other classes suck

[onyx sorrel]

Personally that deserves a buff far more than any nerf

[hardy olive]

can some1 tell me how much does unid laby go for nowadays?

[onyx sorrel]

Doesn’t it gives like 44% damage

[tame oar]

aco is now like bolt

[tame oar]

20stx? ish

[onyx sorrel]

And heals and has good dps

[hardy olive]

alr

[kindred forum]

yeah thats a little much, ive been advocating for vengeful spirit to be moved to summoner

[onyx sorrel]

Literally having an abso in ur party is needed for maximum damage rn

One abso(or other aco options) increases total party damage by over a player and makes you heal tons and does some of its own damage

[tame oar]

23stx

[onyx sorrel]

If they move the total down to like 30% that would be a little more fair, it shouldn’t be a necessity for maximum damage

[hardy olive]

also is fruma still coming out this year? or it got delayed

[onyx sorrel]

Was supposed to be out by now, dunno what happened to it

[kindred glade]

bolt is extremely easily for the damage you pump out

[hardy olive]

well i guess the latest we can touch fruma is prolly end of nov because we need a month of hero beta

before the year ends

[modern sandal]

Assuming it's still 2025 lmao

Wouldn't be surprised if it got delayed to 2026

I blame Silksong for this

[hardy olive]

true we didn't get any news since idk how long

[onyx sorrel]

I die a lot as bolt, a lot more then other classes

Maybe it’s easy for you, but I rarely see a divzer survive a whole raid

[hardy olive]

like you have no excuse on dying with it now since elusive was so much better than what it was before

[kindred glade]

that's just skill issue

[onyx sorrel]

Almost every divzer I encounter dies

[kindred glade]

bolt has the most base speed of any class and it's not even close

[onyx sorrel]

Maybe nerf the speed ability then

[kindred glade]

😭

[hardy olive]

like sometimes before bolt buff arrow bomb just bounces back to you and disables elusive and suddenly you cant move because ur in the middle of a arrow storm

[tame oar]

gang there are LI no pots on youtube ur skill issuing

[onyx sorrel]

Ik but I’m not a YouTuber

[tame oar]

neither am i and i do it perfectly fine

[onyx sorrel]

Ive seen a lot of divzers die

[onyx sorrel]

LI no pot solo?

[onyx sorrel]

Do you play pfinder

[tame oar]

yes....

[onyx sorrel]

Okay ig ur just better

But us normal mortals do die if we have 8k ehp

[hardy olive]

ico probably has nobody to gr with rn😭

[kindred glade]

mrrp

[onyx sorrel]

My friends are pretty average gamers and die with far more ehp as archer builds

[tame oar]

gang we purged 90% of people like yesterday

(but yes)

[onyx sorrel]

I survive pretty well on other builds but when I moved over to divzer I found it a challenge

And I liked that

[spark kite]

https://tenor.com/view/simply-a-difference-skill-simply-a-difference-in-skill-gif-21335337

[onyx sorrel]

Most of the time I’m the only divzer to survive onol now

[kindred glade]

it's been dead for a while 😭
no one wants to join

[spark kite]

thanks for old news

[onyx sorrel]

I do g raids with my friends, we loose a lot but have fun

[kindred glade]

how often do you lose?

[onyx sorrel]

You don’t want to know

[kindred glade]

notg?

[spark kite]

what builds are you using

[onyx sorrel]

Our first raid win was TCC g raid and took like 10 different g raids to win

[kindred glade]

your comments make a lot more sense now

[onyx sorrel]

Thanks for the compliment

[onyx sorrel]

I use divzer, one uses gma, two used guardian

No im not joking

[tame oar]

gang u have skill issue +

[spark kite]

honestly seems fine

[onyx sorrel]

Real but we are casual players and that’s what balancing should be based around

[spark kite]

strat with g raids is to either nuke the boss with high dps builds
or just play tanky builds and have slower runs

[onyx sorrel]

Not no pot li solo gamer

[tame oar]

you can disable graids gng

[livid onyx]

sorry twin i only active on for btb

[scarlet axle]

norway this thread is still active

[tame oar]

idk bruh LOL

[kindred glade]

most downvoted

[scarlet axle]

Points regurgitation final boss

[tame oar]

no that probably goes to one of foxxo's old threads

[livid onyx]

topt en sillt thead

[kindred glade]

most downvoted without being locked </3

[spark kite]

#1380752344580358194

[spark kite]

which threads

I want to see

[tame oar]

sob

[tame oar]

idk bruh foxxo was a troll

[spark kite]

btw just block this guy they are a well known rage baiter

[scarlet axle]

Foxxo is lowk the goat idk wym

[spark kite]

eh doesn't seem like it
just seems like they got really angry at ct a lot

[idle obsidian]

Based

Anyway can you lock this thread modelatos

[onyx sorrel]

I mean it still got 18 upvotes meaning some people agreed

It’s not like unanimous

[onyx sorrel]

Well we will eventually be good enough but we haven’t put enough time in yet because we have so many irl things going on.

[kindred glade]

17 including the person who made it

[onyx sorrel]

Real but my friends aren’t dps-y enough to burst it down, we have won g raids before but normally when we go more tanky

I have tank builds I just don’t love using them because they are too easy

Divzer is a challenge and that’s why I want it to be at least viable

[echo mountain]

it is bro

bro it has been

[onyx sorrel]

I know, I’m arguing that it shouldn’t be nerfed again

Not that the nerf it got wasn’t deserved

Personally I think it was funny to have a 1250 dps weapon but that rly couldn’t last, could it

Divzer is easy to play if you have a full party of damage dealers, but if you try carrying something like onol for with non meta teammates you need to basically jump around dodging almost the entire time leaving little room for damage(mostly charge phase)

Ehp can give you more openings to attack or you can risk more

Even in TNA or TCC if you aren’t in a meta party you rly need to watch where you step because you could get randomly one shot by eye lasers or smth

Anyway ig this thread can be locked considering this is a not agreed with opinion and it’s clear the majority wants divzer nerfed, but really freethenelston should get the final word.

[supple lotus]

ah yes the heavily telegraphed attack where the only requirement to not die is to just walk in circles 💡

[onyx sorrel]

I don’t do too much TCC so I haven’t mastered the ques yet

[supple lotus]

every single tna attack is so telegraphed and extremely easy to dodge

[onyx sorrel]

Then why do so many pfinder parties die lol

[supple lotus]

only way you die in tna is if someone trolls you with their hand attack

[supple lotus]

the average pfinder player has like 4 raid completions and 80k dps

[onyx sorrel]

No I’ve seen builds and players who are definitely either rly ranks or rly high damage who have died

I’ve only been partied with divzer’s two times, both times they died

[supple lotus]

ok? that is entirely skill issue on their part lmao

[onyx sorrel]

I literally see Big Macs die

[kindred forum]

"glass cannon is easy if you just get good"

[supple lotus]

mental asylum patients i am sure

[onyx sorrel]

Well if you just keep saying people have skill issue except for the top ppl then 99% of wynnians have skill issues

[supple lotus]

tna is like the raid where every single attack is dodgeable and they all have massive telegraphs

[onyx sorrel]

The game isn’t balanced around the top 1% of players(or shouldn’t be)

[kindred forum]

Isn't every raid like that (except nol)

[onyx sorrel]

Raids are supposed to be a challenge

[supple lotus]

idk graid tcc sometimes pulls some bullshit icl

[kindred forum]

I dont play tcc much less graid tcc

I think my comps are single digit

[onyx sorrel]

I was minding my own business and TNA isn’t even looking at me and hits me with an attack while I’m like 10 blocks away(one shot btw cause I’m a divzer)

On paper it looks easy, in reality people die

If wynncraft is so easy for you go play souls games or smth

Also some bosses like quira and orange cybel are a lot easier with hp

Not to mention Annie, almost everyone plays tankier builds for Annie

[supple lotus]

Im not arguing that everything can be done on glass cannon

Just specifically tna is where it is easiest

[onyx sorrel]

It feels like that for you guys who put more time into the game but ppl who aren’t experts do in fact find the game difficult at times

[onyx sorrel]

Divzer is definitely easiest in TNA

[supple lotus]

except that the difficulty that you run into is simply not knowing/understanding a bosses attack/mechanic, the moment that you understand how it works it gets drastically easier

[onyx sorrel]

But is still not full proof without a good party for support, one mistake or get distracted or have one random thing happen and ur dead.

[supple lotus]

tna is entirely a knowledge check

[onyx sorrel]

Isn’t that all games…

[supple lotus]

if you know how the attack works it takes 0 skill to dodge

[onyx sorrel]

Still takes timing and you need to watch the holes around you and manage ur mana

[hardy olive]

Isn't it obvious that knowing something doesn't equal to be able to do something

[supple lotus]

only attack that requires timing is watched, holes you can just play in f3 and never worry about it, mana problems = get a better build/cycle/tree/items lmao

[onyx sorrel]

And if all goes well then sure, you do great and win the raid, but people make mistakes and die

[onyx sorrel]

Ur talking from paper, but in reality I see a whole lotta people die on Tna

[kindred forum]

F5

[onyx sorrel]

If it’s easy people shouldn’t die as much as they do

[supple lotus]

i forgor i have it bound to something else

[supple lotus]

it's a knowledge check

[onyx sorrel]

Best way to challenge urself

[kindred forum]

Get used to switching between povs

[hardy olive]

you also gotta realize cuz of the bolt buff a lot of people switched to it without being experienced with it

[onyx sorrel]

If it’s easy it shouldn’t take days to pick up

You guys keep saying it’s easy to pick up

[supple lotus]

Here is all the pfinder tna attacks and how to dodge them:
Jump: massive telegraph, just look at where he is looking and move away from that direction
Skulls: just disengage or walk in circles (away from the people on your team if possible)
Hand over head: just keep walking and don't double back
Ball throw: change movement direction

[onyx sorrel]

Also people dying are not just bolts

[hardy olive]

are you tryna fr say tna is hard

[onyx sorrel]

I know the attacks but I still die to them and other people die too

[supple lotus]

it is a knowledge check, if you know how the attack works you can dodge it 99% of the time with 0 effort, if you don't know how it works then you suffer

[onyx sorrel]

I’m saying that a ton of people die in Tna so how is it easy, sometimes you need to look past stats and to the reality

Sure maybe it’s easy for you put saying it’s an easy raid is not just insulting, but isn’t true because if that was the case almost no one would die

That’s how I got into tank builds that deal decent damage, so I could carry

[supple lotus]

im gonna be so real with you tna is for sure one of the easier raids

[onyx sorrel]

Maybe for you but explain why I see so many ppl die

[supple lotus]

knowledge check raid

[tall heart]

Ye it is for sure, always was

[onyx sorrel]

I’m sure you’ve seen ppl die in pfinder too

[tall heart]

Although pre 2.1 tna was lowkey harder

[tall heart]

Bc a lot of attacks do high damage or true damage

[supple lotus]

knowledge check + your average pfinder user has like 4 raid comps and a incomprehensible build

[hardy olive]

uh, cuz pfinder?

[tall heart]

Yo like the dagger

[onyx sorrel]

Uhhh I’ve seen meta builds die, most people these days have decent builds

[tall heart]

Meta Build =/= Good Player

[onyx sorrel]

It’s not but why do you have to be good if it’s so easy

You guys are saying it’s easy

[tall heart]

Its the easiest raid, doesnt mean its free or easy

[supple lotus]

every raid is gonna be harder if you are walking around with 80k dps, no mana and 0 ws

[kindred forum]

tna is not the easiest raid bruh

[tall heart]

Yes it is :3

[kindred forum]

thats notg

[onyx sorrel]

Most people in raids don’t have the best builds but they have more then that

[tall heart]

Notg graid has random insta kills

[onyx sorrel]

Also easiest raid is subjective

[hardy olive]

easiest to "no hit" i suppose is a better answer

[kindred forum]

Where

[tall heart]

And spam clutter bs in the fight

[kindred forum]

Spatial awareness

[tall heart]

Graid tna lowkey the easiest raid in the game

[onyx sorrel]

I won grootslang every single time and loose sometimes to Tna

[tall heart]

The spikes, i was testing something and on a 110k ehp build it just insta killed me from full 😭

[hardy olive]

and when you play glass i mean this is the easiest raid

[supple lotus]

post build

[tall heart]

Very balanced raid

[onyx sorrel]

Literally a splash build destroys

[kindred forum]

cap

[tall heart]

Tf is a splash build

[hardy olive]

AOE

[tall heart]

no

[kindred forum]

post build

[onyx sorrel]

I switch builds, divzer for Tna and things like abso for grootslangs

[tall heart]

We are not playing btd6

[hardy olive]

😅

[onyx sorrel]

Divzer is a crafted and regular hybrid for sugvons builds because I don’t have all of the crafted accessories yet

[supple lotus]

what divzer buildare you running?

[onyx sorrel]

Sugvon one

[tall heart]

Guard (not bigmac tho) dont have the build anymore cause 1. I borrowed 2. Just tested stuff 3. 4 months ago

[onyx sorrel]

Also said it here.

[onyx sorrel]

I’m pretty sure that was a complaint and got patched

[kindred forum]

Only thing in notg that scares me is the anti air

[tall heart]

Idk

[supple lotus]

im gonna be so real with you but if you are struggling with tna i would recommend you pick a different build to learn the raid lmao

just get a bolt build with really good ws and enough ehp and use it to learn the raid

[onyx sorrel]

I do it well with tankier builds

[onyx sorrel]

Well that’s what I’m doing but it’s taking a few runs

I think I’ll have it down soon

Have you tried divzer carry on onol? It’s kinda scary but fun to do.

[supple lotus]

i cba playing nol ngl

[onyx sorrel]

Onol is the hardest raid imo

Even parasite does like half my hp in a hit

[kindred forum]

Whats your ehp no agi

[onyx sorrel]

8k with divzer

I've decided to just be constantly circling it

Makes it so if I get hit I normally don't get hit a second time and killed. Then I can health pot to heal up.

[kindred forum]

Does div not get arrow shield

[onyx sorrel]

no, guardian angels ?

boltslinger ?

Boltslinger divzer is the best divzer rn if I'm correct

This thread should probably be locked, when locked?

I don't think we will get anywhere with further discussion...

[fierce rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-job-bubbly-gif-1010836534559765451

[livid onyx]

Minor skill issue

[onyx sorrel]

You keep saying that but most divzer I see die, so ig most ppl have a skill issue

[echo mountain]

hasty generalization

[livid onyx]

Pfinder skill issue

All the people with brains r doing graids btb or not playijg wynn

[onyx sorrel]

I've seen two divzers in my most recent few runs, and both died, maybe it was just bad luck but if it's so easy as you guys keep saying why did both die

[echo mountain]

hasty generalization

[onyx sorrel]

You keep saying things are easy when the average player dies to it, the people talking in these threads are generally more commited to and better at wynncraft meaning you will find things easier than a normal player

I have friends who play wyncraft and they die pretty often as well.

[sleek marsh]

hello guys 2 big macs died in my raid big mac is hard please buff it paladin needs more ehp and dps f[redacted] fallen grrr....

[onyx sorrel]

I never said big mac is hard, I said that some people was in a party with died as it

[sleek marsh]

and everyone can die even with the most tankiest of builds?

be it with lag, unfortunate events or skill issue

[echo mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/hasty-generalization-logical-fallacy-logical-fallacies-debate-argument-gif-15985273392258042922

[onyx sorrel]

I literally just said two people died as divzer

I'm not making a law or smth

[echo mountain]

yeah and how do you suppose that supports your claim

[scarlet axle]

How tf is this thread still alive

[echo mountain]

yeah lock it atp

[sleek marsh]

we are all unemployed

[echo mountain]

?vote lock

[onyx sorrel]

It shows that people die as divzer and thus means it probably isnt fully easy

[scarlet axle]

I’ll just let it rot

[onyx sorrel]

Not me

[scarlet axle]

U guys can stop talking whenever u want btw

[livid onyx]

Rascommand jackieballs

@silent fern why didnt it work

[sleek marsh]

found the unemployement master

i must learn

[onyx sorrel]

How am I the unemployement master when I'm employed

[sleek marsh]

dude why are you taking this seriously all of a sudden

[onyx sorrel]

idk I'm wierd

[twilit trellis]

hi weird im dwoc

[sleek marsh]

hi dwoc happy birthday!

[onyx sorrel]

Bro one of my friends does that so much it's actually killing me

[livid onyx]

Happy btb day

[shadow fjord]

you can pick up bolt the first time you use it, for me it took 2 runs imo bolt is stupidly easy because of the high ws

[onyx sorrel]

what bolt build r u playing?

[shadow fjord]

divz

[onyx sorrel]

What raid do you play

[shadow fjord]

Greg

[onyx sorrel]

Ig I just skill issue and my party luck is horrible

tbf I do most divzer runs on onol

onol is fun with divzer, try not to get hit basically

also I need things from that raid

I'll try some runs today and see what I think when I have more TNA practice

Haven't done too much TNA with it yet

I will say the ability tree thing that gives walk speed on hit is really strong

[slow ether]

2 out of 2 divzers dying mean would yield an estimate of 75% of divzer users dying if we use bayesian statistics so like its not a big enough sample size to judge how risky divzer is (and you also introduce sampling bias because the people playing in pf tend to be worse than the people in graids)

[sleek marsh]

why are we suddenly making a bayesian network to determine the chances of a divzer dying

[slow ether]

because its fundamentally not accurate to draw a real conclusion from such observation

[sleek marsh]

your telling me that one divzer dying is not independent of another dying 🙀

[scarlet axle]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-cube-cope-dilate-nerd-emoji-gif-25147327

[slow ether]

my death rate on divz is adjusted based on the percentage of divzer users dying in raids today

[echo mountain]

Correlation. Does. Not. Mean. Causation.

[sleek marsh]

(doesnt necessarily*)

holy shit i sound like nerd emoji

[slow ether]

you really do

[sleek marsh]

i blame my ai courses

forced to learn NLP CNN and Bayesian network ass

[echo mountain]

@grok grok my algorithms

[slow ether]

when are you gonna build an AI model to make builds in wynn fr

[scarlet axle]

build slop rate 📈

[slow ether]

AI will probably start yeeting out like 50 dura crafted builds with no qol icl

[scarlet axle]

learning from the best

[sleek marsh]

bro my ai will be outputing some horrid things like full ornate pz or something

[onyx sorrel]

Maybe they should nerf frenzied

[scarlet axle]

its gonna find some guy on the forums posting a troll build and use that

[onyx sorrel]

you guys keep saying ws is part of the problem

and that prints a whole lotta ws

[scarlet axle]

the conversation has left divzah 🥀

[slow ether]

dont train a LLM for wynn shit is not gonna work due to the lack of information online

[scarlet axle]

stormy with deli is enough too

[sleek marsh]

we will use sugvon builds as base...

[onyx sorrel]

or make it take more hits to keep up

[slow ether]

make it build against sugo builds and when it eventually got better than sugos build let it build against itself

[onyx sorrel]

higher decay rate and slower gain could make it harder to sustain the ws

[onyx sorrel]

This whole thread is kinda about divzer so maybe we bring the topic back to divzer

and find solutions

[slow ether]

it kinda has run its course and also losing frenzy wouldnt cause much trouble to divzer it would fuck over other bows even more kinda

[scarlet axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-meme-meme-meme-cat-gif-14470917232397934693

[onyx sorrel]

so what do you want for divzer

what do you think is fair dps and sustain for it to have

[sleek marsh]

the humble ms

[scarlet axle]

give divzer 10000 atkspd

[sleek marsh]

🤯

finally cancelstack will become true

[twilit trellis]

titano divzer will become meta

[supple lotus]

and -100000 melee raw

just make it impossible to manasteal

[sleek marsh]

😋

[onyx sorrel]

okay maybe this thread should be closed, no one is even talking about the problem anymore...

[scarlet axle]

nah

[atomic garden]

Tbh I don't think there is a problem you've had ct in here saying they currently are happy with the state divzer is in

[onyx sorrel]

oh I didn't see that

why did I spend forever arguing for divzer to stay as is

[scarlet axle]

i would love for divzer to be usable on melee

[onyx sorrel]

No wonder I can't win raids lol

[sleek marsh]

immediately start sweating beads when the divzah walks in with the dawnbreak instead of emage poopers

[scarlet axle]

goat

when can cstack be added to a relevant class

[onyx sorrel]

Thanks

[atomic garden]

That's a great question

[onyx sorrel]

wait is wise a dev

[atomic garden]

Item manager

[scarlet axle]

hop on the e6e6e6 rage bthrust divzer

[onyx sorrel]

ohhh okay

[scarlet axle]

item maker*

[onyx sorrel]

Maybe I can find out why after a few hours of intense meditation

Anyway have a good day you all, thanks for talking

[sleek marsh]

more beneficial to game because less particles

[slow ether]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder/#CM0AKWu48c0SQWW64q066YeGdcBEe40-yr2Riwt-+XvHjD1

Wynnbuilder build:
Sparkweaver
Anima-Infused Cuirass
Thunder Sanctuary
Dawnbreak
Lodestone
Lodestone
Diamond Static Bracelet
Lightning Flash
Divzer [t6t6t6]
if you find me dead in detlas i think you know why

also isnt it crazy how this barely has more melee dmg than the bete noire build

[scarlet axle]

do u wanna go frolick in detlas 😊

[livid onyx]

Shoe man cstack and tracer grep cstack are not real :(

[scarlet axle]

ragebait chains to trance when

[sleek marsh]

i can make this worse

wait nvm

i thought i could use the humble strength sanctuary

[silent fern]

Who pinged me with bad words causing automod nvm discord js being chungus

[silent fern]

You're not the chosen one

[onyx sorrel]

You could replace the lodestones with crafted rings to increase damage

[slow ether]

ye im just too lazy to make crafteds for such a weird build

[onyx sorrel]

it is wierd but at least it's over 10k ehp

for divzer that's like hypertank

[slow ether]

if you want higher ehp on etw divz you can potentially run stuff like cardiac arrest but idk

[onyx sorrel]

The ms is good, better than my divzer build

everyone says it's so easy to sustain but I can't perma sustain

My main attack regens like 40 mana and I use it up faster

[slow ether]

sustain is aspect dependent

[onyx sorrel]

If you found a way to up that spell damage it could be pretty good

[onyx sorrel]

Recycling is a lifesaver

[slow ether]

also perma sustain isnt really that useful bosses wont last that long and you have raid buffs anyway

[onyx sorrel]

ig it depends on ur party, in a guild it doesn't matter too much, but in pfinder is matters more

[sleek marsh]

just sustain long enough beofre phase change

[slow ether]

thing with divz is that you can slow down your cycle if you feel like your mana isnt enough and you’d still deal a decent lot from guardian angels

[onyx sorrel]

for greg it's less important, for TCC it's more important to have sustain. But TCC has rediculous buffs so unless you get bad buff rolls you should be fine anyway.

[onyx sorrel]

Yeah

[slow ether]

you can even change to like storm storm bomb 4 cps if you feel like

[onyx sorrel]

TNA the only buff I rly care about is insidi 1

[tame oar]

Hi gang theres 18 because 19-1!

[kindred glade]

-62 overall downvotes

[spark kite]

an unpopular opinion doesn't always mean its a bad one

[vestal walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/tik-tok-meme-waiting-wait-time-gif-16450082290173148616

[tame oar]

Change my mind if they nerf divzer again it’s dumb as fuck

[kindred glade]

it's fair, everyone saw it coming as the power was shifted from the weapon to the architype

[spark kite]

also btw when I say this I do realize that for strictly considering the balance of the game and archer yes divzer deserves to be nerfed
but I personally I think when taking other things in to consideration it shouldn't be nerfed

[onyx sorrel]

Is sugvons divzer build good or should I switch to something else, if I should switch to something else could someone post a build?

Cause I'm getting 600k but should be getting more

I have funds

[fierce rapids]

do u have max bolt aspect

[onyx sorrel]

No... should probably grind that out eventually

how much does that increase by

if I do some aspect grinding I could probably bring it up

[fierce rapids]

like 30k dps, u hitting 600k is just under what u should be hitting, prob cycle issue ors mth

[onyx sorrel]

yeah I use keybinds and have practice so idk, I'll see if I can bring it up on my own

[spark kite]

is it crafted or non crafted

[onyx sorrel]

partially crafted so that could be my problem

but when I did the math that still won't bring me where I want to be

I'll start by finishing and getting all of the crafteds and see where I'm at then

[eternal karma]

I sort of agree because I feel like divzer is meant to be super high dps but no survivability and I feel like nerfing survivability is better than nerfing dps

[vapid fable]

nerfing survivabilty wont do anything to it

[livid onyx]

@versed vapor

[onyx sorrel]

actually divzer can survive a few smaller hits, nerfing survivability would leave you open to a greater variety of one shots.

There have been times where I survive an attack at like 10% hp, nerfing ehp by even 15% would have killed me in situations like those

[vapid fable]

you still wont get attacked at all in tcc and tna, same for nol if u kill it fast enough

the problem with divzer is its incredibly easy to keep 100% dps uptime and evade hits with

[onyx sorrel]

Really depends, if you have a full party of divzers of course it's gonna shread the boss, but in pfinder you will have to dodge some attacks

Damage is more important but survivability isn't worthless

[vapid fable]

it still fails to address what makes divzer op

[onyx sorrel]

I wasn't saying anything about divzer not being op, or trying to adress that, I was only claiming that hp is helpful in certain situations.

[vapid fable]

yeah for sure

i live hits in nol with 1k hp remaining, hp nerf would prob get me 1 shot

[vapid fable]

the exact same thing said here lol

[onyx sorrel]

I'm also thinking about LI, which people have no pot on yt. Nerfing hp would make orange cybel a nightmare to deal with.

Or in other challenges where survivability is helpful, like ones with a decent amount of ranged units that won't get auto killed by ur angels.

[eternal karma]

imo it will because you would need extreme skill to not die with it

maybe also giving it a big negative walkspeed would work to nerf it without nerfing damage

[onyx sorrel]

That might just be an archer problem, frenzied produces so much ws it’s kinda stupid

Maybe nerf ms on divzer so it can’t sustain so easily

[eternal karma]

Yeah good idea

But the ms would need to be nerfed a lot

[celest anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095961153139642400/1242108832843563069/melon.gif

[onyx sorrel]

It's already pretty hard to survive with unless you are a player who has put a lot of time into raids.

At least harder then most other builds these days.

[eternal karma]

yeah true but like still survivability isnt like THAT bad

[onyx sorrel]

Ehp wise it's horrible but the ws it gets is stupid

ws problem is a general boltslinger tree problem

[tame oar]

@spark apex it was this one

[spark apex]

not sure how itd be relevant here either all things considered- that and i already explained it

[tame oar]

I’m sorry, my intention was to point out how again divzer should stand above the rest quite significantly due to the fact that it is a glass cannon, and it isn’t balanced to see spring (a weapon with -dex btw) doing 400-500k dps and divzer doing only 80k ish above (both uncrafted)

[spark apex]

the gif says absolutely zero of that

in any capacity

so, uh, care to try that again? cause that reeks of BS

[tame oar]

It was the same with cata where you were saying it has no gimmicks and just trying to point out how divzer is a glass cannon, just like cata and should stand above the rest of the options more significantly (for the record I agree with the manasteal change just not the damage change)

[spark apex]

and the gif points that out in what way, exactly, by pointing at me saying cata is a glass cannon with no gimmicks, then describing how glass cannon is a gimmick in a way designed to make me look like an idiot?

if you wanted to say that divzer should stand above other options, then what that gif says about cata is completely irrelevant and draws no comparison whatsoever

especially since, last i recall though i could be wrong, cata has been buffed since that gif was made

[tame oar]

It was buffed slightly

Iirc 10% more damage

[spark apex]

yep, exactly. they have no comparison

so trying to compare the two by using a gif that exists basically solely to say "this guy(and IMs in general) have no clue whst theyre doing" is like trying to dig a ditch by graffiti-ing a wall

that feels pretty obvious to me

[tame oar]

My point was divzer should have that significant damage buffs compared to the other bows

[spark apex]

then say that instead of posting stuff that was literally made to mock me next time

[placid badger]

I mean compared to gma Divzer does have +26 ms and +30 base dps while gma has -500 hpr raw

ig spring is different story but like man just use crafteds on divzer crafted divzer is like 800k I think

[tame oar]

Oh no I have to chug a pot to heal and I have 25k ehp on gma

Divzer I just get evaporated because it’s supposed to BE a glass cannon

[placid badger]

Non rage gma less dmg than divzer makes sense

And then rage gma more dmg than divzer because it's even more glass cannon

[tame oar]

Yes I agree with this

[kindred forum]

buff spring

[scarlet axle]

i would just like to add that frenzy nerf means that divzer is even glassier cuz less ws

[low loom]

it will still stack extremely quick with divine intervention and storm ppl will just be more inclined to run frenzy aspect over like grape bomb aspect

[gilded tangle]

grape aspect is way too much damage to give up, other aspects are less impactful fs

[low loom]

point still stands i just forgot all teh aspects i take on bolt

[gilded tangle]

fair

[low loom]

autosmord

[scarlet axle]

i run both already

[pseudo glade]

I LOVE THIS SO MUCH

[celest anvil]

i love you so much

[livid onyx]

where is the bimbosaurus version of that gif

[tame oar]

Ponto is NEVER a bimbo

[livid onyx]

LIE DETECTED

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773108055558455296/1421960297068892211/image.png?ex=693889b9&is=69373839&hm=8338076cb9734baea8b9b4ff9acf8910806dc1a1295be838a75993a8db25925e

[tame oar]

Gayosaurus =/= bimbosaurus!!!

[kindred forum]

stop nerfing divzer

[tall heart]

stop buffing divzer

[tame oar]

the fact that spring jsut basically equals divz with much better sustain now is uh

questionable

[kindred forum]

if you cstack maybe, but i dont think most ppl are

I still believe its a bolt issue

[rocky spoke]

please do not necropost

[livid onyx]

blizzy balls in
one week