robust tusk
title.
toxo is complete and utter dogshit rn
this would make it a (still below-par) more viable option for intended gameplay styles instead of poison slop, which CT have clearly stated will never deal usable dps ever again
I'm not sure why this hasn't been done already. giving toxo actual base dps would not affect item rolls at all, nor would it take very much dev time to accomplish (I find it hard to believe that it takes more than 15 minutes to change 2 numbers in wynn's code)
unborn marsh
the toxo meta will be earthshattering
wintry gate
totem shatter reference
unborn marsh
woah..
dense mantle
nooo poison rework post frumer guys, just 2 more weeks!
robust tusk
for context, 850 post powder dps would put toxo in 7th place out of all the mythic reliks, as an earth weapon with no combat or damage related stats other than flat 22k poison dps
there is no universe where toxo enters the damage meta at all, even with 850 base dps
wintry gate
im sorry but it wont happen because it makes too much sense
white palm
Toxo is indeed shit but i recently bought a toxo to upgrade my super old one and ive almost gotten back all le spent in just 3 sessions of ing farming so toxo is op enough frfr
robust tusk
the only actual shaman mythic that has less than 850 base dps (every other shaman mythic has >930 post powder) is abso, a weapon with 100% heff and many other good reasons as to why it has significantly less base dps than the median
wintry gate
Toxo is indeed shit but i recently bought a toxo to upgrade my super old one and...
toxo being good at farming doesnt excuse how shit it is in real content
white palm
toxo is vfast though, how much would e6e6 add for example
robust tusk
I really just want to get the "toxo with 850 base dps would break the meta!!" argument because like. no it will not lol
robust tusk
850 pre powder base dps arguably wouldn't be remotely meta changing either, to be clear
white palm
I dont think theyd give it that much anyways tbh lmao. at most id see 320-380 prepowder. Bc clearly thats op enough with poison!
But id rather 320 than fucking 3-3
robust tusk
3-3 base dps was ok back when poison actually did something
but at some point CT decided that poison is just never going to see the light of day ever again
it is too brainless to ever deal more than 65k dps with the most hyperoptimized poison build in existence
white palm
I mean even then, in most meta poison builds it did like 170k, which is still shit lol
robust tusk
which is fine, but then the poison mythic should receive actual base dps so that it can function as a weapon
white palm
but at some point CT decided that poison is just never going to see the light of...
2.0
dense mantle
which is fine, but then the poison mythic should receive actual base dps so that...
the gaia treatment would be so nice for toxo
white palm
My favorite part is how more than half the IMs dont even know that Toxo gives 40 strength
wintry gate
funny because gaia still sucks
robust tusk
having an entire endgame mythic occupy a niche that explicitly is never going to perform near morph level (let alone on par with other mythics) is horrible no matter how you look at it
white palm
They dont even know their items 😭
wintry gate
ive heard enough, nerf warp
white palm
i agree
dense mantle
funny because gaia still sucks
reasonable damage uproot gun with a bit of poison on it 🤑
robust tusk
real gaia enjoyers remember when gaia was high 400s postpowder base dps -300 spellraw 🤑 🤑 🤑
dense mantle
real gaia enjoyers remember when gaia was high 400s postpowder base dps -300 spe...
too op virgo tstack days
celest storm
bring back poison stacking instead
brave ibex
how will this affect the toxo raw spell stack scene?
dense mantle
how will this affect the toxo raw spell stack scene?
you're gonna be %'ing it
celest storm
i have 7 toxos begging to be used right now
brave ibex
istg there was a fun mID for earth shaman but toxo is so bad for that there is no place to use oit
wintry gate
i have 7 toxos begging to be used right now
Do you have a weighted green/blue i could buy for ing farming
wintry gate
how much
wintry gate
how about 4
celest storm
k
wintry gate
msg'd you
mental jacinth
Give it forest aconite treatment 
brittle ferry
this is a good idea thus it won't ever be added
timid kiln
uh uh uh furma stop
quiet stream
this is a good idea thus it won't ever be added
Real
reef scarab
give toxo 99 powder slot
lyric spear
Remove all of toxo's ids except poison because poison is already using way too much budget
Remove its powder slots too
delicate arch
Id rather have them triple it's poison cuz that way it wouldn't lose it's identity but noooo that would be too much afk dmg 😀
Another solution would be a major id that turns the powder special into something useful having to do with poison
slate lynx
i see two routes that toxo can end up going,
native sapphire
why can't toxo just get reworked entirely?
pure poison damage doesn't work. especially on mythic standards
graceful trench
title.
toxo is complete and utter dogshit rn
this would make it a (still belo...
at least they could give toxo a mage earth base stat, just to not make it so OP
like even increased dmg to 400-500 would mean A LOT
white palm
Remove its powder slots too
WTF but i wanna play wind prison hmelee toxo
magic shuttle
WTF but i wanna play wind prison hmelee toxo
if only wind worked on poison tick 🤖
white palm
what if tshatter made poison trigger faster and you could play tshatter toxo
magic shuttle
i think if toxo had a poison stacking gimmick it would be more viable, since it is a faster tier attack weapon and a lot of poison items have previously had attack speed incorporated in the design
clearly % based dmg would be too busted cause then you can bust it out on anni and deal a % of max hp lol
white palm
% damage on non-bosses
on bosses it could be like cut in 1/20th
magic shuttle
but giving it stacking like in that piano build where you used 7 toxos in inventory, would be lowkey 🔥
i thought this was the intention of +4 tiers necrosis in the long term
graceful trench
i think if toxo had a poison stacking gimmick it would be more viable, since it ...
what about a MID that once a mob gets hit by a specific ability (could be shatter, aura, etc), deals neutral/earth dmg equal to 200% of poison value as an addition, imo should be on a less used ability just to add more value to 2 niche stuff
could also be implemented in attacks
dense mantle
i thought this was the intention of +4 tiers necrosis in the long term
meanwhile: changed to +1 tier and no longer has the highest poison on a helmet 😔
magic shuttle
meanwhile: changed to +1 tier and no longer has the highest poison on a helmet �...
yeah idk what they cookin with that change
for me toxo should be redesigned with reference to the design of existing poison items i feel
some give +tiers, some give -tiers so there should be value in hmelee vs fast poison
white palm
yeah idk what they cookin with that change
prob cause its weird that a dex item has that
magic shuttle
they have changed req types in the past, so they could do that appropriately on an overhaul
timid kiln
Can we remove poison the devs admitted they don’t want it to be viable and so many items are just filier due to it why drag out a damage system whos whole point is making people make threads to speak to the void
white palm
Can we remove poison the devs admitted they don’t want it to be viable and so ma...
cause poison used to be good and instead of fixing the actual issue with poison (being able to insta kill players in hunted, doing true damage) they just ruined poison for PVE aswell
poison wasnt even that good back then, even with a good build and abusing powder specials for even more poison damage (yes that worked), it only did like 200k max and thats being generous, and well 200k/3s is 66k dps .. so its still super trash lol... they could just revert it im ngl .. yes its a super lazy easy playstyle but so is stuff like epoch tstack (and that actually does good dps) so who cares ??????
novel void
Poison exists because it’s job security for feedback posters
jagged merlin
done, toxo now has 0 powder slots, 0 base damage and a max poison of 850 * 3
brittle ferry
done, toxo now has 0 powder slots, 0 base damage and a max poison of 850 * 3
you should apply to admin with ideas like this
jagged merlin
i'm only following suggestions, no creative ideas 😔
leaden carbon
Id rather have them triple it's poison cuz that way it wouldn't lose it's identi...
This is just the same effect as the overall poison buff but in a less intuitive way
hollow flower
Shaman is not allowed to have an earth mythic
white palm
Shaman is not allowed to have an earth mythic
erm aftershock
brave ibex
Spell ashock
hollow flower
Can we remove poison the devs admitted they don’t want it to be viable and so ma...
There's a reason for it
rugged condor
I feel like Toxo would’ve gotten significantly better reception (after the poison nerf) if it was a fabled to start with, or Ashock and Toxo switched level ranges, buffing aftershock in the process
wooden sable
Aftershock users when their weapon suddenly becomes great???
Toxo users when their weaopn suddenly becomes the same it never was great???
rugged condor
Aftershock users when their weapon suddenly becomes great???
Toxo users when the...
At least it gains a mid game niche at level 80, or isn’t a waste of a mythic
Toxo will never be good, since you’ve got an earth relik in aftershock and they hate poison’s design. It will always be a gimmick, so it fitting into that tier of gimmick with its rarity or level would’ve been the way to start with it
devout urchin
too bad, that amounts of imaginatory power level poison takes away is too much (for ims)
devout urchin
i see two routes that toxo can end up going,
1. poison gets meaningfully changed...
IT HAS to be the first option
sure toxo gets "fixed" but as the only one out of hundreds items with poison there is
even if using best posion gear (toxo + snail) it's not nearly enough
ruby lion
it is too brainless to ever deal more than 65k dps with the most hyperoptimized ...
I never got this argument since laby exists and also bigmac and abso summoner, and wynn isnt an inherently very mechanically complex game
ruby lion
Do you remember when that 40 str actually scaled the poison on this thing like crazy and you could do competitive dps With it with courage
ruby lion
There's a reason for it
devout urchin
I never got this argument since laby exists and also bigmac and abso summoner, a...
monster lb too
ruby lion
yeah.
devout urchin
and epoch
ruby lion
Also this is just like, passively hostile to mechanically slower or limited players
devout urchin
and what isn't them just require a lot of CPS
devout urchin
Also this is just like, passively hostile to mechanically slower or limited play...
YES
I'm very slow mechanically
ruby lion
Amazing Filter.
devout urchin
1984
ruby lion
Also this is just like, passively hostile to mechanically slower or limited play...
„Oh, you don’t manage 10 precisely ordered inputs on each button every second? Well f*ck you, you do a third of the dps now.“
devout urchin
bmonk
devout urchin
„Oh, you don’t manage 10 precisely ordered inputs on each button every second? W...
or die (acrobat)
ruby lion
Like, I’m capable of pulling off hard shit in video games, but my fingers just cannot manage that kinda clickspeed 😭
The only reason I was able to beat bloodbath in geometry dash is cause it does not require absurd cps
Shade is a good compromise here, I feel
Other than some npcs that jank out and spin, it’s not brainless to play but manages to still have easily overlookable gameplay pacing
ruby lion
if you need to time your backstab with the rapid spinning of a corkus armored tank it suddenly becomes less fun but yk
devout urchin
acolyte kinda is too
ruby lion
Aco is weird cause you’re so incentivised to keep sitting in one spot around your totems and just heal through the pain
but yeah if you play some complex reso shenanigans, absolutely
devout urchin
reso complex?
ruby lion
devout urchin
all I hear near reso is just sorrow proccing over and over
ruby lion
reso complex?
There is like one hard to play build iirc
but other than that it’s just sorrow spam yeah xD
graceful trench
cause poison used to be good and instead of fixing the actual issue with poison ...
poison was actually pretty broken when thorns did have a sinergy and earth buffed poison, thats why is garbage rn, same thing with MS/LS, they worked better than mana regen almost a decade ago.
graceful trench
Do you remember when that 40 str actually scaled the poison on this thing like c...
tbf both poison afk and laby afk gameplay shouldn't be rewarded that way, you cannot have a playstyle that is not risky, has tons of defense and tons of hp, poison-thorns and laby are good examples of it
white palm
poison was actually pretty broken when thorns did have a sinergy and earth buffe...
Why would thorns matter what
graceful trench
Why would thorns matter what
poison used to be proc with thorns
like a LONG time ago
white palm
I know exactly how old poison worked so no need to tell me btw...
white palm
poison used to be proc with thorns
Oh, well thats kinda pointless anyways
graceful trench
not at all
especially by how it worked with builds
imagine a tank that deals tons of dmg without moving, even there it was used as a pvp strategy against healers, which was against the basic rule of rock paper, scisors.
Healer > tank
Tank > DPS
DPS > Healer
back then, that was the way of balancing op stuff because usually meta was mostly about pvp
healer got nerfed the moment that base healing got reduced
dps got nerfed the moment LS/MS didn't work with spells
tanks got nerfed the moment thorns was killed
white palm
Pvp as in hunted or as in the nether portal, cause like the only meta was using toxo and winning instantly lmao...
graceful trench
Pvp as in hunted or as in the nether portal, cause like the only meta was using ...
PVP meta rule was in nether
latter in gavel was not much relevant with the introduction of more items
white palm
ok so say nether instead of pvp
graceful trench
but the concept of how those roles worked was a insign of how broken was something
gusty axle
Another W toxo post that will be promptly ignored without any ct response
white palm
Another W toxo post that will be promptly ignored without any ct response
Erm ackshully a ct replied in here (they will nerf toxo)
devout urchin
dps got nerfed the moment LS/MS didn't work with spells
isn't snail set already stronger than most of poison items
and well
I don't think that now that shaman exists it matters that much either lol
which has massive area coverage
leaden carbon
Poison is 1/3rd of epoch effort that's how you measure the standard
oak wraith
b.. b.. but rage !
magic shuttle
Erm ackshully a ct replied in here (they will nerf toxo)
rip piano toxo build
white palm
b.. b.. but rage !
oak wraith
white palm
oak wraith
wintry gate
oak wraith
gusty axle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174460344253567106/1289722554516246618/W...
I have a dmg build that relies on servers not shitting themself during anni to stay alive
magic shuttle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174081504830304287/1354118248404353067/w...
lol that one is criminal
magic shuttle
someone just went next level with the "thats cap"
