Please Give All Bosses and Mini-Bosses CCI

[gusty bolt]

Crowd Control effects are for crowds, not for single enemies.

If an encounter is designed around a single enemy and that enemy isn't immune to CC, then at best it just means the fight is trivialized, and at worst it means you spend the entire encounter chasing after an enemy being bounced around by your own [parties] attacks.

Bosses and mini-bosses being affected by Crowd Control is purely a negative for the game, and leaving all pre-2.1(?) bosses with no CCI is hurting the enjoyability of those fights significantly.

Please just go through and give them all CCI.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037118557156286464/1351909616602316911/FlyingKick.gif

[plush star]

cci benefits some classes and hurts others, I dont think a blanket cci change would be healthy

[manic carbon]

AT having a number of abilities that suck to use against mobs who are not immune to their knockback is an ability problem not a mob problem

[candid trellis]

if its going to take years to rework/fix all archetypes in order for this to stop being a problem i would rather just slap CCI on every endgame boss/miniboss

[manic carbon]

I will be quite honest and say this is not going to happen for the aforementioned reason.

Supposing all knockback on the AT is bad, even then it would be a better solution to remove all of it than to slap a special immunity indicator on every boss mob.

[candid trellis]

atleast implement a % reduction to knockback received by these mobs, it makes no sense for you to be able to bounce around a boss level monster as you would any other random mob

[manic carbon]

This is actually already something we've brought up internally

[candid trellis]

knockback has its place as being a good form of crowd control but that crowd control shouldn't be being applied to boss monsters in a way that just bounces them silly around the arena

[manic carbon]

The current way mobs can mitigate knockback, blinding and slowness aren't great

Mobs already a have a knockback resistance but because of the way it works, it doesn't affect all knockback

And the immunity system of a mob being fully susceptible to a form of crowd control and then being immune for X seconds does not really feel great to play against

[candid trellis]

oh yeah that would be horrible

[manic carbon]

That IS how it works right now

There's knockback resistance which all mobs have but doesn't apply to all knockback

(something something vertical knockback is unaffected (?) )

And there's immunities, which are the things you see in nameplates

[candid trellis]

i understand it for (some) debuffs but for knockback it would just feel wonky i think

[manic carbon]

And they work by allowing that form of cc to work once and then the mob is immune for X seconds

The mob team and ability tree team have talked about this some time ago

For knockback and slowness, the most useful solution we think is just giving mobs the ability to have the effects tuned down % wise

i. e., a big boss could have 95% knockback resistance and 60% slowness resistance, which means a 50% slow effect would only slow them down for 20%

something more problematic is blindness because blindness is being handed out very liberally by the AT in some ways, but that's a different topic

crowd control resistances could use an improvement, we've talked with devs about it, not sure when it'll happen

[manic carbon]

A sledge hammer solution like this has 0 shot of happening though

[candid trellis]

this would be great

[candid trellis]

these abilities should have a per mob cooldown

[manic carbon]

Well giving them effective cooldowns is one way

But this then results in a bit of an issue where they can stack and it'd be possible to have a boss permanently blinded

[median tangle]

Asking about removing CCI from most of bosses to adding it back? Now that's a parkour

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

[candid trellis]

also give them resistance in the form of shorter durations? as in a 2s blind would become 1s

or just make the per mob cooldown global

[manic carbon]

This isn't great because of the way things like blindness work

blindness isn't gradual

it makes the mob unable to have a target, which means 0.2 of blindness and 0.0 seconds of blindness are a world of difference

every the shortest amount of blindness that isn't 0.0 seconds can heavily negate a mob's behaviour

[idle ember]

this meme is gonna haunt me till the end of my life lmao

[wispy relic]

Maybe consider having a limit to how many times a mob can take vertical kb without touching the ground? This solves the flying mob issue pretty effectively without really hurting other classes

Maybe make upwards kb shoot you down if you are above a certain height? Tho that can have some issues

[median tangle]

waiting for the day where constant and not timed ccr would be possible

[manic carbon]

well for kb and slowness which are gradual this is ideally quite easy to do

but for things like blindness you can't just do "a little bit of blindness"

[median tangle]

chance to miss 😏

[manic carbon]

your honor, it's okay I only did "a little bit of murder"

[median tangle]

"if agility is so good, then why there isn't agility 2?"

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-masters-of-the-universe-ha-missed-you-missed-missed-gif-18421113

[timber marlin]

Can’t the percentage be for its duration

[manic carbon]

Not easily, a mob that's being blinded for even 0.2s loses its target, which messes up entire attacks already

on top, blindness is sort of like invulnerability-frames-lite

it would still royally mess up acrobats if the 1s of blind they expect to get to escape suddenly barely exists

[timber marlin]

I guess blindness resist would have to be the only CCI that only has true/false