#Let me not Q with people I block in Pfinder

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west parcel
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I would've just won

calm oyster
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Funny whataboutism of what about what would happen when all the mid playing crappy new players get blocked by everyone who raids, and the only parties than can queue are with exclusively bad people saltroll

west parcel
calm oyster
west parcel
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Why

calm oyster
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Can only join if your build contains any legendary weapons, or any morph item

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(Morph stardust is excluded though)

west parcel
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This just kills creativity Raid Sr would serve same purpose without locking u to legendary weapons or morph and rewards you by performing better with better people

calm oyster
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And an ehp of less than 30-40k

charred wasp
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you could just defend

west parcel
primal moat
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Guy hates new players but forgot he was shit once

charred wasp
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issues like these are kinda on the player to solve ngl

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its unavoidable for people to not be good at something right off the bat, and if you are finding random people thats what you'll occasionally get

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so you just get into a guild and raid with people you think are worthy of you if ur not up for it

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^

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make some friends man

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get literally 1 person who can defend for you

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surely its not that rare

random bramble
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if you need to avoid more people, then you'll have to remove some old ones from the list

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by that point you likely wont be getting put with them anymore

calm oyster
random bramble
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womp womp

calm oyster
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Then, if 1 other person joins, but no one else, suddenly that player isn’t prioritized anymore, and is forced out of doing raids until another person comes on

random bramble
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if you are constantly avoiding players youll have to expect longer queue times

calm oyster
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It’s a way worse situation for games with smaller player counts, because it can really easily lead to people just ganging up on worse players and making it even harder to get into raids

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What about people whose games just run slower in general. Tutorials are handy, but it’s still very realistic for pfinder parties to be made up of people with crappy laptops and poor CPU’s

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I raid at 30fps, usually, shits hard as hell, and took so long for me to finally get used to timing my spells with that frame rate

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Weird response

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It’s still not exactly a fair perspective when you’re in pfinder, dude

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I get graid parties, where it’s specialized and expected, but this is where the vast majority of new players are gonna have to learn

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I think being able to block specific players for trolling is perfectly fine, but limiting it to 1-2 people is the most I can see working

cobalt moth
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if you really care that much for getting flawless parties, just get your hands dirty and ask around

calm oyster
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It’s just too small of a player base to make exclusivity/excluding people from the party a worthwhile inclusion. It can and will be abused

cobalt moth
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also this sounds like very poor luck more than anything, so what that you're missing out on like one or two raid clears, just wait it out, or do a different raid, or do something else
or alternatively, lock tf in and play something that can feasibly carry the weight of one less player

calm oyster
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I really get what you’re saying, but I just can’t justify it with the size of the player base. Waiting is generally a fine solution as of now, because you do actually have an alternative to the system in running the significantly more rewarding graids, without the hassle of poor teammates.

cobalt moth
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yeah

calm oyster
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Maybe if a ranked ELO based raiding system was implemented, then I could see it be justified with the size of the pb

cobalt moth
calm oyster
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But pfinder is just not the place for it, because it really just doesn’t add to the better experience of new players, which do hold a significant portion of pfinder

cobalt moth
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bro I've had HOURS where only 3 other people queue for a raid, this would NOT be a good solution

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it CANNOT handle it

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yeah, and other players will have to wait too

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because instead of queueing with you and the person you're ignoring, they have to wait for somebody else to join because you're too stubborn

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yeah, I have a surplus idfc

calm oyster
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Rune surplus has made wasting runes a non factor

cobalt moth
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enough content gives runes anyway

calm oyster
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I have never run low than 3stx of az and tols, never realized how many I have

cobalt moth
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if you're struggling for runes endgame, that's just a gameplay issue, do other stuff other than raid or war 24/7

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yeah the self report button was you making this thread

calm oyster
cobalt moth
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let me find it, sec

calm oyster
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Can’t, have work and a family

serene temple
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average constructive feedback thread

cobalt moth
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so true corn

calm oyster
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Average Wynn anything atp

serene temple
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just join a raiding guild or have friends

calm oyster
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That’s what graids were made for, dude. Ask your buds in the guild if it’s that bad of a problem 😭

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Tell them to do it because you need an aspect or something, lie if you have to

serene temple
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decent suggestion but like why are you getting to pissed off

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having like one other person with you in the party is enough to carry all? the rooms basically

calm oyster
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And then what, if those are the only 1-3 people raiding rn

fiery pawn
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i would rather not raid than queue with toxo snail

calm oyster
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You sit there and wait for better people? No one is on 😭

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Now, you’ve got an entire party of people just sitting there

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This solution doesn’t work with a player base of 1000-2000 players

charred wasp
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i think i see the issue with the friend solution now

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i dont own a guild

cobalt moth
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it was terminated nvm lmao

serene temple
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yeah ELO system would suck!

west parcel
fiery pawn
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i agree

serene temple
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i honestly never have any issues with pfinder people theyre usually pretty okay. if they suck it’s because they’re new and they still try

cobalt moth
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yeah same, and if they suck that's alright, I'm likely not gonna be queued with them again since I usually raid at peak player hours

serene temple
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i commend your effort level 94 lightbender pheonix wing

cobalt moth
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again, that just sounds like really bad luck with who you're queueing with. if you're gonna end up not queueing with them again because peak player hours, then there's no issue, you can disconnect. you don't have to stick around. just wait out the party finder 5 minute ban and be on your way again

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1 tol rune isn't that worth it bro

calm oyster
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I’ve had entire parties squandered in TNA because some oaf thought it would be funny to guard the tree. That’s hell, and that’s when you report the player. There’s the easiest way to exclude trolling, and it can actually get rid of the crappy, loser players

west parcel
calm oyster
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I’ve had NotG 2nd room turned into a 10 minute loser fest because 2 of the 3 teammates spam refresh on cannons, and the other 1 died

cobalt moth
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actual trolling yeah report
but bad players? just suck it up, disconnect or wait it out

calm oyster
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I’ve had to carry an entire TNA boss fight on goddamn nulli quilted because my teammates were picking their noses or whatever. That sucks, I get it, but I know that these are the only people on anyways

cobalt moth
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the best decision, maybe you can learn to mirror that in your next +30 minute tcc

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sure whatever you say

rose flame
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I always just default to defing unless someone else beelines for it

cobalt moth
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or do that

rose flame
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problem solved for me

calm oyster
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If no one says anything, ask again, be stern or whatever about it

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Easiest way to get people into positions

rose flame
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I've had someone say they would def before... but then didn't do it and had the balls to try to get on me for taking it over when astal was gonna die and the raid fail

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I have 0% trust in pfinder monkeys, even if they volunteer for the role

west parcel
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Have u tried doing a better raid

calm oyster
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“Are you SURE you know how to do it? Do you need any help? Awww it’s okay”

rose flame
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this is pain yes
pain I know
usually not this bad though, so I find it preferable to needing to queue another raid

calm oyster
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I’ve babied so many pfinders

cobalt moth
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okay
but have you considered
the humble ragequit
a rune isn't THAT worth it

calm oyster
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(Because, honestly, it’s not far fetched for there to be actual children in a party)

cobalt moth
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you don't have to
quit the raid
you have free will, quit the raid

calm oyster
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Wynns dead till fruma, anyways, despair for all

cobalt moth
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if it's that bad, then just spim the wheel

rose flame
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Some of us are allergic to dipping because reasons

cobalt moth
calm oyster
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I wonder if they’re banking well off the new Money Update™️

rose flame
calm oyster
charred wasp
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no way you work with children

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find a dif job asap

calm oyster
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I wonder what the percentage of players online actively makes up people doing end game content

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Pretty sure 50% of it is just afk in housing, lutho, and Detlas

rose flame
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that is something that would be neat to know

cobalt moth
calm oyster
cobalt moth
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yeah

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a lot of the playerbase is early-mid game

calm oyster
cobalt moth
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trueeee

calm oyster
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Do challenge runs, and not stupid shit like craftsman

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That one morph items only run is hella

cobalt moth
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okay but craftsman can be fun if it isn't ironman and you alr have a prof/craft leveled class

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to a point..

calm oyster
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Crafting is awesome, though

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Wish I could actually do it, but I’ve gotta level my profs to higher than 75 first

cobalt moth
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anyway back to the topic
the good that would come from not queueing with blocked people would be too low for the bad that system could do

calm oyster
cobalt moth
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it's not even about data, simply knowing how some people behave and will block you for anything, it's bound to increase everyone's queue times

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not to mention blocking specifically to not queue with people

random bramble
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holy

cobalt moth
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4 people queue for a raid in eu and na, but one person has one of the other 3 blocked, and thus cannot raid until a fifth person shows up, where in the time they do show up, the 4 people queued could have cleared several raids already

random bramble
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wtf happened while i left lol

cobalt moth
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I understand why you'd want something like this, but I feel it's not worth it

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AT MAX maybe limit 1 person to not queue with, but even that can lead to rare long queues

hazy pendant
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that would be viable in a bigger server, but like is not posible with not so many ppl doing raids

cobalt moth
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that's what I'm saying
with how small the endgame playerbase is, people who have themselves blocked can't queue, and others will suffer for it

hazy pendant
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mmm queue time?

fervent fjord
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do you have anything backing up your points?

hazy pendant
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what do you have to back it up?

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ive done more

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and probably a lot of ppl would do more

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that doesn't back anything, is not data about queues or anything related

cobalt moth
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and only once or twice did it happen
or guessing from your 30 minute tccs and "2 hours of hell", 4 raids
in over thousand

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that's not a norm, that's an outlier
we don't need features made for outliers

hazy pendant
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why?

calm oyster
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It just sounds like a whole lot of personal bias, where you think you’d be the best person for it and are projecting your idea onto other perspectives. You are not the average person, and plenty of people would abuse the fuck out of a system like this, with an already small number of active people raiding. You may block one, 2, whatever number of people, but then that same sentiment is held for every other player. Every one can do this, and they can essentially blacklist entire players from raiding, depending on the average person that’s on

west parcel
sinful latch
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this type of feeedback thread is never going well because this channel is very cleanly split down the middle with one side being overly sympathetic towards bad players and the other side being overly antagonistic towards them

west parcel
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Completions are at the top of the graph for each respective raid

fervent fjord
sinful latch
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I think there is a middle ground where we say "you can block up to 2-3 people from pfindering with you" so you're not just blocking everyone but the people who genuinely cannot play the game aren't constantly ruining your raid experience

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as cold as it may seem, I do sympathize a lot with OP because I absolutely despise having to carry the same people in notg over and over again in 20 minute runs because they can't do tower room

hazy pendant
fervent fjord
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like the idea of blocking specific players isn't a terrible idea
you'd have to put strict limits on it though

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if you're throwing slurs at that i think that says more about you as a person like

sinful latch
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this is not a cut and dry case of "oh, we're punishing new players for being bad!" or "I need MY raiding experience to go smoothly in pfinder"

hazy pendant
sinful latch
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to a certain extent I do unfortunately believe that disastrously underperforming players need to be taught how to play the game the hard way

fervent fjord
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run a solo carry build like monster riftwalker like

hazy pendant
sinful latch
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every raid has at least one forced cooperation room which makes this an issue

hazy pendant
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i've said this several times, half of the players that doesn't speak english, won't even read what others say in chat

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because they don't understand it

fervent fjord
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usually communication will solve the issue like if you want to solve the problem start by teaching them
if they don't listen then well
yeah it's over, guess you gotta carry

sinful latch
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on one hand regular new/bad players need to be taught how to play well, on the other hand horrendously underperforming players (which are way rarer) will genuinely mess you up in forced cooperation rooms

hazy pendant
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i don't do pf since Graids exist

sinful latch
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I played 2 notg pfinders today where all 3 of my teammates were about as skilled as lobotomized chimpanzees (no offense, they could barely walk in a straight line) and I had to wait 20 minutes for them to clear tower room lower

hazy pendant
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and you can get into a guild that does raids really easy

fervent fjord
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of course i personally think that raids should have less forced cooperation

sinful latch
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I physically cannot carry them through certain rooms even if I want to, so that's why the issue of "horrendously bad players should be blockable" even exists

hazy pendant
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is not the best solution, but like is the most healthy

fervent fjord
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anyways
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i don't think this guy is really friendly and i think this thread has run it's course

sinful latch
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if you don't know how to play a room but you're willing to learn and you pick up the mechanics somewhat, that's fine and expected

hazy pendant
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in everygame you will have bad or lower skilled players, is unavoidable, wynncraft cannot do a queue depending on the skill of the players since is not a big server

sinful latch
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if you genuinely cannot press wasd or use a spell or kill a mob because your build is that shit, I feel like it's justified for me to block you

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there's a certain skill floor that pfinder does have to impose on its users at some point, and adding a way to block a very limited number of users would help enforce that

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I'm also saying this as someone who primarily plays pfinder raids in carry builds to help the community and whatnot

hazy pendant
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as a player you need to know how to deal with it or look for alternatives, fortunally for wynncraft you can look for just 1 friend and complete any raid without issues even on PFinder

sinful latch
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it's admittedly not every raid that you're going to face this, but it's often enough (1/5 to 1/10) where you're still actively affected by unskilled outliers

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especially in nol and notg where I find that the proportion of. challenged players. is somewhat higher

hazy pendant
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please proccess those ideas before commenting the thread