#Wynnik and Gavellian being Irish

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cyan yoke
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So I noticed while discovering that Wynnik and Gavellian were indeed languages, if you actually translated what they said they actually are just irish (Or at least according to the wiki). I was thinking, hey since conlangs exist, what if there were Wynnik and Gavellian conlangs made? I just thought it would be really cool because then you could actually bother learning Gavellian or Wynnik (Or both! :D)

From what I understand both Wynnik and Gavellian have their contexts and you can sort of tailor the phonetic inventories and grammar / words to the language? Anyways I just thought it would be a cool idea to implement cuz I really love languages.
-#p.s. if this does ever become a thing I totally want to help make the conlang#-

sonic blade
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There's someone on wynntheory with a conlang project

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You'd probably have to apply to ct if you wanted to help with it officially otherwise

obsidian swift
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I thought it was specifically The Eye that speaks in Irish

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Otherwise Ancient Wynnic and High Gavellian are just fonts

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And regular Wynnic is the language the characters in-universe speak

cyan yoke
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because there's High Gavellian, Ancient Gavellian, Modern Wynnik, and Ancient Wynnik

obsidian swift
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Is Wynnik a different language or smth
You seem to distinguish it from Wynnic

cyan yoke
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ope

cyan yoke
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in english you almost never end a word in a k because it usually is a c

obsidian swift
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Just use the game’s spelling

cyan yoke
obsidian swift
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Anyways does anywhere else use Irish except for The Eye

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I feel like most places just use English replaced with Ancient Wynnic/ High Gavellian symbols

cyan yoke
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I believe ancient wynnic is just english with replaced symbols but all occurences of gavellian / High gavellian are irish I believe

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so I guess a better way to put it is what if Gavellian had a conlang made for it?

cyan yoke
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But when lari casts spells for example it is in irish

obsidian swift
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Oh

obsidian swift
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(Regular) Wynnic is the language the player speaks

cyan yoke
final sigil
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It's specifically the eye that speaks in irish

cyan yoke
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Oh

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well either way, wouldn't it be cool if ancient wynnic and Gavellian had their own learnable conlangs?? D: D: D:

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you could even make Ancient wynnic svo and ancient gavellian vso lol

untold cradle
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@raw ridge

final sigil
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It would quite cool

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The only issue I can see with that is that it's just way too hard for casual players to figure out

cyan yoke
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like gavellian could have more frontal sounds, like airy and breathy, and wynnic could have more consonant heavy, ejective sounds lol

cyan yoke
final sigil
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Like you can't really give someone a conlang transcriber minecraft item

cyan yoke
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sort of like an easter egg

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you wouldn't be required to learn it to play, it just exists and you can learn it if you want. The hardest part would be making resources explaining grammar, word order, phonetics, etc

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I supposed a better name for this thread would be wynnic, gavellian, and irish lol

final sigil
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I think we should replace Irish wish a conlang

cyan yoke
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REAL

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all irish people don't get to speak irish anymore it's gonna be a new language calle a'alara

buoyant phoenix
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Or am I just confused by voices of wynn mod lmao

cyan yoke
# buoyant phoenix Remind me what language does lari speak

So as far as I am aware in voices of wynn AND just in the text Lari is speaking wynnic to you. Whenever she casts her magic though, I believe she is saying words in what is either considered High Gavellian, or just Ancient Gavellian (I don't know which), which isirish if you turn it to the latin alphabet and then translate it i'm pretty sure

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Yeah it seems the most common occurence of high gavellian is lari speaking it when casting spells and stuff

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For instance, "Lion an corp seo leis an saol aris" is something Lari says (while written in gavellian) and in irish it means "Fill this body with life again"

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Which I think it's cool that they're using latin for it but like, what if it had its own conlang that you could learn if you wanted :D

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Lowkey even if this doesn't get added (I don't expect it to) I might make a gavellian conlang anyways lol out of sheer boredom

buoyant phoenix
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Interesting. Ty

raw ridge
cyan yoke
cyan yoke
# raw ridge whar

Idk they didn't say anything in the thread they just pinged you 😭

raw ridge
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huge

cyan yoke
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Idk I just love conlangs :D

buoyant phoenix
raw ridge
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im not a lore knower like that

buoyant phoenix
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Since the message above that is a request

raw ridge
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it would be cool if those had their own conlangs

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though you would likely have to fudge a bunch of character names to make that work

cyan yoke
raw ridge
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there are a lot of character names that would in theory be tied to these language but in practice are all basically sourced from english phonetics and phonotactics

cyan yoke
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THAT"S THE FUN PART

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because it's a language that doesn't exist yet you can actually take those names and make the phonetic inventory based around those names!!! :D

raw ridge
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so the options are to either align pretty hard with english in those respects (lame) or do some fudging where needed

cyan yoke
raw ridge
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thats the fun part when its like 15 names but once you get several dozen you end up too restricted if you are unwilling to fudge

cyan yoke
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Yeah

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basically you can extrapolate phonetic patterns from whatever names are considered gavellian

raw ridge
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ive dabbled before i am aware dont worry

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not for wynnic/gavellian specifically but in principle

cyan yoke
cyan yoke
raw ridge
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i have somewhere between a formal and an informal linguistics background

cyan yoke
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oooh epic!

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I don't 😃 (insert internal sobbing here)

raw ridge
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mostly phonotactics and morphology 😁

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syntax a bit iffy

cyan yoke
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I am not very knowledgeable on phonotactics, like I understand how they work but very basically

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I like morphology cause ✨ Verb conjugation✨ and ✨ noun cases✨

raw ridge
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phonotactics are pretty simple compared to the rest i think

cyan yoke
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makes language spicyy

raw ridge
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its basically an internal set of rules in an order (often reflecting historical sound change) that dictates which sounds can appear in what order

cyan yoke
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yeah

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like onset nucleus coda esque

raw ridge
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yeah and whats allowed where

cyan yoke
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oml wait in gavellian do you think the word for light would probably stem from the word orphion if it existed

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lol

raw ridge
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i dont think i know enough lore for to answer that

cyan yoke
raw ridge
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bc it would depend on the history of the who spoke gavellian and how old the language is

cyan yoke
raw ridge
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its also not really reflected in natural language i think?

cyan yoke
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our would it be touhche (as in touhoku)

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I'll see myself out now

raw ridge
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well depends pretty heavily on culture actually i think

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and probably flexibility of pantheon

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are these characters that have always held their connection to what they embody or did they ascend to that power at some point etc

cyan yoke
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clearly we need a lore person on ct to answer this

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I would just like to say I am so happy that this reached at least somebody's attention

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I have been experiencing visceral urges to learn a wynncraft language 😃

opal field
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I know that the eye speaks irish because they wanted (most) people to not get what its saying even when translated, and because its eye-rish
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vagrant garden
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dogunese is sorta a conlang but only in terms of writing

cyan yoke
compact lotus
vagrant garden
cyan yoke
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Nice, ty

cyan yoke
# vagrant garden dogunese is sorta a conlang but only in terms of writing

OK I JUST GOT OFF OF WORD AND READ, so basically dogun is really cool cause it's like an abjad or an alphasyllabary or however you spell that. It would be closer compared to something like hangeul (korean) because of the way you can "neutuer" the vowel from the consonant and what have you, but that's really cool and it's literally already got it's own defined phonetic inventory, and because of the way the writing system works it also already defines the syllabic structure :D (sort of)