3 Low-Effort, Band-Aid fixes to LI

[shell moat]

• 1. re-add CCI to all the bosses. it's currently very infuriating to play LI, because the main damaging spell of pretty much every archetype will bounce bosses out of range of itself (ex. riftwalker meteors bouncing the boss out of range of the meteor aoe)
• 2. remove cybel invincibility phases. literally delete the invincibility phase mob from the game and make current phase 3 spawn directly when phase 1 dies, phase 5 spawns directly when phase 3 dies
• 3. add a merchant that directly converts LI tokens into emeralds, similar to the seavale reef merchant - bronze tokens are 1eb each, silver are 2eb, gold are 4 eb, diamond is 1le

[kind nova]

i agree, orange wybel's boss stages suck and are pretty old atp

[shell moat]

LI currently isn't being updated because of dev time, here are 3 incredibly easy fixes that can be implemented with 2 lines of code (in the case of CCI, it was literally removed with 2 lines of code)

[fading gyro]

we'd have 3 minute average li runs if they stopped bouncing off the floor when spammed by rw meteors

[raw valley]

3rd suggestion isn't really a band-aid u know?

[shell moat]

LI could easily go from "content you complete once" to "subpar but repeatable solo moneymaking method" if these 3 fixes were implemented overnight

[kind nova]

its for getting rid of tokens ig

[raw valley]

1le per LI complete is too much

[shell moat]

is it? I think it's actually quite a fair price to set for the current difficulty level of LI

[merry surge]

that's like 13 le an hour, you make that in 2.5 raids

1le seems fine

[kind nova]

not really, raids give more in one run while you need three LI runs to get similar amounts

[shell moat]

even if you somehow manage to run 15 LIs per hour, you're still making 20le/hr tops

this would be a horrendous moneymaking method

[kind nova]

yea just as a way to get rid of tokens without entirely losing value

[shell moat]

LIs are also way more mechanically challenging than raids because it's completely solo

well they would be in-effect completely solo because fixing multiplayer LI jank would take more than 2 lines of code, which is why it's not included in the list of suggestions

ok I did the math, with the current token -> LE conversion values, if you convert every single token you get from a full LI completion, you earn 2le 4eb once you subtract the entry fee

if you can complete 15 LI runs per hour (dubious even with CCI readded, you would need to be incredibly skilled and use a very hyperoptimized build), then you make as much per hour as you would running 6-8 raids per hour on average, or 1 raid every 7.5-10 minutes (something you can accomplish by running pfinder)

so this really just turns LI from "untradeable accessory content" to "subpar moneymaking method"

[kind nova]

yea thats balanced, tcc and tna are still better than this, tna gives more emeralds per run and if you drop a good roll on windborne or resolution or titanomachia you can potentially earn a whole stx

[serene lagoon]

Is it wrong that the only thing inhibiting me from wanting to run the entire gauntlet is the Orange Cybel boss's invincibility phases

Maybe it's the overstimulation caused by being accustomed to watching the enemy's health bar get reduced to zero in a few seconds.

But you aren't really doing anything aside from running away and occasionally farming your archetype resource by spawning his minions.

[shell moat]

if you remove orange cybel's forced invincibility, LI clear times automatically decrease by 2 minutes

[serene lagoon]

And an invincibility phase lasts for an entire minute or something

[quick saffron]

the invincibility phases arent engaging at all because of charge ai + very sparse spell cycle

it's just watching a headless chicken for a minute twice

[serene lagoon]

Would rather hold a platform honestly.

[cerulean ingot]

Dont add cci otherwise I agree

[shell moat]

why wouldn't you want CCI lol

there's so much knockback baked into your spells that it actively slows down your clear time

[cerulean ingot]

I play shaman

[shell moat]

I also paly shaman and the only archetype that isn't affected by knockback is acolyte because it. doesn't have any.

[cerulean ingot]

you arent using dt?

[shell moat]

that's literally it. the other 14 archetypes are somewhere between mildly fucked over and completely gutted by no CCI

[shell moat]

what does that have to do with anything lol

[cerulean ingot]

Unless youre taking a weird path to Double Totem, youre gonna be taking rain dance

Which is beneficial

[shell moat]

if rain dance does anything I have literally never noticed it and I have like. 400 hours on shaman

[cerulean ingot]

Then you arent using it properly

Maybe you never notice it because everything that isn't cci dies immediately

[shell moat]

I never notice it against raid bosses either

idk it seems pretty odd to keep an actively detrimental mechanic because 1 (one) ability benefits from it

[cerulean ingot]

Because they're immune lol

[azure void]

if you want to make money off of LI cant you just sell the accessories you buy

[shell moat]

this just barely breaks even

well no I guess you could make 20eb per run

that's about as time efficient as running 2 world events per hour

or doing 1 raid

[cerulean ingot]

ntm raids are easier than LI

[azure void]

i mean yea. LI isnt really a money-making method, its for the accessories

[shell moat]

I'm saying it could be a subpar one if you could recycle tokens directly into LE

[limber coyote]

wait wtfloof arent they untradeable?

[shell moat]

sell to blacksmith for 6-8eb per, you can make up to 5 per run

[lilac mortar]

fuck slapping cci to all these shits…

[rotund zodiac]

playing warrior vs non cci is torture

[cerulean ingot]

war scream > air shout