Bonfire Cosmetics this year is not scrappable with the Bonfire cosmetics last year

[silent gull]

Bonfire cosmetics in the past has a tag of Bonfire, while the bonfire cosmetics this year are tagged Fiery Bonfire, making them unscrappable together.

If the content team decides that they do not want to update some of the old cosmetics, but rather just leave them unobtainable, then at least give me the option to scrap this warrior hood (It's ugly).

[pastel herald]

intentional i think

[tawdry oyster]

yeah its intentional

[silent gull]

Then that would leave me with all the unwanted cosmetics occupying my storage

Even adding a discard function could be better

[pastel herald]

you wanna just. delete cosmetics? for no gain?

[silent gull]

Sure

[silent gull]

It's not only about this black market, it means that all the rares/epics i got can not be scraped

[formal ferry]

intentional

[silent gull]

assuming

[tawdry oyster]

I personally think that splitting the cosmetics into different crates is a good thing to have done, even if it means that the scrapping can only be done within their respective event crates

if they kept adding more to the already existing crates it would be so unreasonably clogged that getting a cosmetic you wanted just wouldnt be feasible anymore

[silent gull]

that a person has 2 unwanted cosmetic in each tier. That adds up to 8 outdated cosmetics occupying /scrap and wardrobe page everytime you want to switch between cosmetics

Even if it is intentional, it would be nice if i can throw away some of the cosmetics given that they can no longer be useful in other ways

[tawdry oyster]

I dont see any benefit in being able to just delete cosmetics for nothing in return

aside from just aesthetic gripes

[silent gull]

yeah but I don't want to see this extra hood and beret everytime i am trying to change my helmet

the more stuff displayed, the messier it gets

[junior vessel]

Wait theres a cosmetic limit?

[silent gull]

no

I do hope that wynncraft could consider updating some of these old one tho

this is like the best way for the players who had them

[junior vessel]

Also i think they’re re-releasing the old bonfire stuff in crates

Unrelated

[tawdry oyster]

yeah later

[silent gull]

that'll certainly help

[junior vessel]

They also DID update old cosmetics

Just not everything

[silent gull]

yeah but not most of the old bonfires

[junior vessel]

Can you favorite cosmetics?

[deep needle]

I would also like to know if the old bonfire cosmetics will ever be able to be properly scrapped, or will eventually be updated over to the fiery bonfire cosmetics

[errant kayak]

My favorite cosmetic this update was the cosmetic LE I had saved up without knowing it wouldn't be enough for silverbull

[junior vessel]

Maybe thats what this feedback post should be, the option to manually favorite cosmetics and those favorited cosmetics show up at the front

[silent gull]

I do hope it's more about changing the old cosmetics

[silent gull]

It takes time, i do know that

[junior vessel]

Well changing the old cosmetics goes both ways, theres you who hates this skin and theres other people who like it

[silent gull]

Even if being able to scrap the old ones with the new ones help

[deep needle]

Because if there’s going to be this divide between almost “legacy” cosmetics for the bonfire festival, there will always be tons of cosmetics that people will just have zero use for, taking up space and never being able to be converted into something better

[silent gull]

yeah that's like what i'm trying to say

[silent gull]

thank you for that

[deep needle]

Like, I’m in the same boat of not liking the warrior hood, and I’d love to get rid of it for a godly cosmetic of the same festival cosmetic

[junior vessel]

They’re probably not gonna do this
They clearly moved away from this intentionally

[deep needle]

I’d love for it to be updated, but, I’d also like to be able to scrap it to get one of the godly weapon skins from previous festival

[silent gull]

can tell

[junior vessel]

Wynncraft team ignores every monetization suggestion from the players

[copper glacier]

No but hear me out: mythic reroll tokens!! Rerolls your mythic into a new mythic!! 5 tokens for 1 share!! Can bypass class reqs, for example you could reroll a dawnbreak into a lament!!!

[silent gull]

roll ur labyrinth into convergence

[copper glacier]

Wouldn't it be funny if the team added some random untradable mythic stick with 1 dps and no IDs that drops from mobs at a 1/1 000 000 000 rate

[silent gull]

deviates from the topic fr

[dapper mirage]

ridiculous, this very change was a suggestion from players

[junior vessel]

The players suggested that previous bonfire cosmetics can’t be scrapped with current ones?

[dapper mirage]

the players suggested that they should be split into different collections so that the pool of different possible cosmetics to get doesnt get so big that its impossible to ever get the specific cosmetic you want

genuinely there would have been more profit in not making this change

[junior vessel]

Uh.. i think the guy is just asking to use his old bonfire cosmetics in the scrap machine to get current bonfire cosmetics

Not to include old cosmetics in the current crates

[dapper mirage]

scrap old cosmetics for old cosmetics, scrap new ones for new ones

the old crates will be sold on the store later in the festival (not sure why they arent sold right now)

[junior vessel]

Look im not opposed to it being done this way, the monetization thing was a joke regarding recent events

Ask the poster his opinion

[dapper mirage]

thats not what i implied the suggestion was

[junior vessel]

Good point

[junior vessel]

If i had to guess, he probably just wanted the following?

if scrapping with 1+ new bonfire cosmetic: get new cosmetic
If scrapping with all old cosmetics, get an old cosmetic

I don’t really get it either

[open pumice]

They will never beat yacht alligations. I can't imagine other reason this was done other than encourage people to buy crates.

[open pumice]

Was that like 4 years ago when the event cosmetics came out or now?

[junior vessel]

This is so sad i have to spend less money to get the bamboo gun

[dapper mirage]

very recently, as recently as the previous festival. people were getting tired of it getting harder and harder to get the cosmetics they want from crates and scrapping

[open pumice]

cocnut gun

[junior vessel]

It fires in spurts

[open pumice]

I've never seen these people, but alright.

[dapper mirage]

no its literally less profitable because it means its easier to get the stuff you want

[open pumice]

but you can't get old cosmetics UNLESS you buy rates

you have to buy crates to be able to get old cosmetics

[pastel herald]

hop on silverbull shares

[junior vessel]

You have to get crates to get cosmetics

[pastel herald]

(please someone drive the price of shares up man i wanna unload mine 😭)

[open pumice]

somebody still had to pay for them with real money though

[junior vessel]

It makes me sad that we’re arguing about the least problematic microtransaction in the game

[open pumice]

either way old cosmetics have been effectively locked behind a paywall
and it's not like previous years where old cosmetics went out of ratation, now ALL old cosmetics went out of rotation. so you can only get this year's cosmetics

all of this would not be an issue if you could just scrap new cosmetics with the old ones
but because you can't do that you HAVE to buy crates if you want to get old cosmetics which might be majority of festival cosmetics

[open pumice]

I'm arguing about all microtransactions in the game
since recent updates Wynncraft has turned into a mix of Hypixel, Clash of Clans and those dime a dozen bedrock servers

[dapper mirage]

sorry for wanting to keep the lights on..?

[junior vessel]

Bruh bedrock servers are so much worse lol

Thats like if wynncraft had a SE/fruma paywall

[dapper mirage]

i dont think you understand how much it costs to keep the servers up now with all the new mob model stuff and the constant server upgrades

[thorn snow]

speaking of this, do we know when are the old crates coming back?

[open pumice]

in the past people literally wanted to donate to wynncraft and were turned down for it, there are other ways to monatise the game. besides, i don't want to derail this thread anymore so I'm just gonna say again that you should be abble to scrap old rewards with the new rewards. and there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to

[thorn snow]

tbh I don't really mind this change, as long as old crates will still be available some way

[thorn snow]

it's cosmetics... who cares?

[dapper mirage]

the old crates will be available i just dont know when

[open pumice]

to get from daily and weekly objectives?

[dapper mirage]

no

[thorn snow]

Like the wynn team does need money... I don't see the issue with paylocking some cosmetics

[open pumice]

then it's locked behind a paywall

[dapper mirage]

and?

its cosmetics dude, be glad theyre given for free at all

[open pumice]

why?
I don't min paying money for crates buty why do i HAVE to pay money for crates.

[thorn snow]

IT'S A BLOODY COSMETIC

[dapper mirage]

because thats the point..?

and even still you have the option to get them with silverbull shares

[junior vessel]

Im gonna assume you want old crates from the daily challange

I cant really argue with that

Just the option between new and old

[thorn snow]

I mean yeah it sucks. but at the end of the day the cosmetics won't help u at the game

[open pumice]

no i just want you to be able to scrap old rewards with the new ones. that's all i want

[junior vessel]

I also cant argue with that

[open pumice]

would you use the same argument that it's just cosmetics in games like CS:GO, Marvel Rivals, Overwatch or TF2? They might not affect the game but they're extremely important to the pople that play those games. I'd say cosmetics is like half of those games.

[thorn snow]

I mean yeah it's a cool thing to have a community around, but a skin won't make u better

[pastel herald]

what

[open pumice]

if the comsetics weren't important then no one would buy them. no one would spend hundreds of dollars on crates

[junior vessel]

If this game becomes half cosmetics im quitting immediately

[thorn snow]

but they aren't, gameplay wise, they do nothing

[open pumice]

this game starts to become half marketing to me and i already don't play like i used to

[thorn snow]

people just wanna look good in game

[open pumice]

YES
that's the point

people REALLY care about looking good

[pastel herald]

at the end of the day you already get infinitely more cosmetics for free in wynncraft than you do in other f2p games

[open pumice]

like spending thousands of dollars care

[thorn snow]

ok... so pay up
like I don't get why would something that doesn't affect the gameplay matter so much?

[junior vessel]

Ehhh… if you already collect them from a rank sure

F2p games are solid at giving you small free cosmetics

[pastel herald]

like i would describe myself as very anti p2w but picking this hill to die on, cosmetics which you get (A) weekly and (B) daily during festivals is insane to me

[dapper mirage]

thats those games. this is wynncraft

you cannot compare them when they are completely different

[open pumice]

because it looks good. people pay a lot of money for good graphics
like most of the reasons game sells is because they promise amazing graphics
-# 16 times the detail

[pastel herald]

im not sure wynncraft is sold on its graphical fidelity...

[open pumice]

I'm arguing that people care about cosmetics.

[thorn snow]

first of all that 2nd point is bullshit. for example nintendo sells really well despite their graphics

[open pumice]

i know a lot of people who only log onto wynn to get crates during events

[junior vessel]

This is embarrassing to the anti-pay to wynn

[thorn snow]

I mean ofc people care about cosmetics, but why shouldn't cosmetics be monetized?

[silent gull]

if this is the case it wouldn't bother me too much, but I do hope there can be improvements to some of the old ocsmetics

[thorn snow]

even the games u prev stated are HEAVILY monetizing their skins

[open pumice]

what, they have good graphics in their games. it's stylised a lot of the time

[silent gull]

It is weird that they are not sold together

[dapper mirage]

literally the whole point of cosmetics existing is for them to be monetized and wynn is actually really lenient with them, nons get free crates every week and during festivals you get free crates every DAY

[thorn snow]

depends on the game. Zelda and Mario? yeah, pokemon for example...

[open pumice]

i guess it's not laways 8000000k grapihcs but they're not ba

[open pumice]

ok fair point

[thorn snow]

but yeah video game cosmetics are mostly made for monetization purposes

[open pumice]

I'm not arguing that.

[thorn snow]

wynn is very generous when it comes to free cosmetics

most games won't give u 30 free crates, let alone 10

[open pumice]

all i care about here is to be able to scrap old cosmetics with the new ones since it feels to forced to demand players buy extra crates all of a sudden

if this system exsisted from day one i wouldn't care actually

[fervent birch]

this is a very weird hill to die on

[thorn snow]

I mean I understand that it sucks. but again, it's not something that affects the game. I also understand the staff's POV. player were complaining about cosmetic probabilities getting low so just ressetting it makes sense.

[open pumice]

I'm only upset because in the past you could have gotten MOST of the old cosmetics with exceptionn of the oens that wre removed from rotation. now ALL old cosmetics were removed from rotation and if you want them back you have to buy old crates
I'm arguing that this sudden change is bad.

[fervent birch]

just because there isn't a way to obtain them now doesn't mean that it will stay that way

let them cook

[silent gull]

I would also like to know if the old bonfire crates can be obtained for free through daily and weekly objectives

[misty lichen]

using bedrock servers as your comparison? really? you gonna use purple prison next

[open pumice]

whaat's with "hill to die on"
it presumes that nobody agrees with me and I'm like Don Quixote fighting windmills.
I'm just arguing my point.

[misty lichen]

so are normal crates

[thorn snow]

I mean how would you do it? people will not be happy if both bonfire collections could be obtained from scraps. people would complain that it's impossible to get what you want from scrapping. same with combining both into the same crates

[open pumice]

you can't say that Wynncraft hasn't been at least adopting their looks a lot.
Simplistic design. Bright colors.

[misty lichen]

Ok and? not the microtransactions

[open pumice]

what

[thorn snow]

does this change suck? yeah. Was it the best wynn could do? prob

[misty lichen]

you can't get normal crates without paying.

either via rank or buying them outright.

[thorn snow]

I mean 1 crate a month/a week is not rly getting a crate yk

[open pumice]

explain to me why they couldn't allow you to scrap new cosmetics with the old ones

[misty lichen]

ok looking at the cosmetics. this years is SO different from the previous ones it's kinda just an entirely different field

[thorn snow]

because that would mean u would have both collections into the same scrapping pool, which players would complain because it's they can't get the cosmetics they want

[fervent birch]

complex ≠ better
the colorful designs are way better because they make the server more lively. the more complex designs are more visually noisy

[open pumice]

they could have made it like a chance based depending on how many cosmetics were in the pool
so you'd be more likely to get old cosmetics if you had 4/5 old cosmetics. like 80% chance.

[hollow viper]

wynncraft design died at 2.1 and 2.0.3

[open pumice]

colorful =/= better
just because it's more pretty doesn't mean it can't look stylised

[silent gull]

I thought the new cosmetics are okay, and I have no problems as long as the old cosmetics can still be obtained through crates

Some improvements to the old cosmetics and free old cosmetic crates could help ig

[stiff shore]

bad intention?

[junior vessel]

No this is MCC design not bedrock

[thorn snow]

idt it will solve the problem, it would make it so you can scrap older rewards but that's it, people will still complain since they are likely to just get the new collection, even if they scrap old ones.

[dawn moon]

not sure what all the discussion is about, seems like everyone misunderstands this topic the minute it gets posted

[dapper mirage]

i personally really prefer the new colorfulness of wynn compared to how it used to be

[dawn moon]

what I think the OP is trying to say:

• splitting bonfire cosmetics into two different collections was a good and necessary change that the devs implemented as a result of player feedback.
• most players who upvoted the collection splitting were not aware that this meant you would not be able to scrap old bonfire cosmetics anymore (without spending extra money to buy legacy crates just to obtain 5 cosmetics of the same rarity)
• this is problematic because over time, players will accumulate more and more of these cosmetics that they cannot get rid of (I currently have 3 or 4 of each rarity of legacy bonfire helm cosmetics that can't be scrapped anymore)
• also worth noting: at least for me, I always expect to be able to recycle older years' cosmetics through scrapping whenever the festival rolls around, I don't think the people complaining about this change would mind at all if they just rolled new bonfire cosmetics from scrapping legacy ones

possible solutions that have already been proposed:

• a system similar to powder scrapping: if you scrap 4 legacy bonfire with 1 fiery bonfire, you have an 80% chance to obtain a legacy bonfire cosmetic and a 20% chance to obtain a fiery bonfire cosmetic
• the current system remains, but some amount of legacy bonfire crates are given as a daily reward for ranked players during the festival, as a replacement for regular non-festival daily crates

I think this it's unfair to call collection-splitting a "cash grab", but this is an unexpected downside that was packed in with a much-request upside, similar to when wynn team reduced the class deletion timer but implemented that alongside halving class slots for new players

not that reducing class slots (and similarly, collection splitting) was necessarily a bad change (again, I think these were necessary and even positive changes for the game), but no one thought that the long-awaited positive change would also come with a downside when it could have come with no downside (at least in the view of the player)

[final oxide]

Another post was already made and these exact points were already brought up with a ct. No players wouldn't benefit from a powder scrapping type of system where the item you get is based on the percentage of the items you scrapped from 1 type of crate. Eg 1/3 being from fiery bonfire gives 1/3 chance of the upgraded item being from fiery. This would fix every single issue as then wynn can add as many collections as they want (hence fixing the too many items in a crate issue) and also people don't build up 20 items that either they can't scrap without paying for more crates or just loads of filler items they want to scrap but don't have the necessary items to be able to

[dawn moon]

that is the post I'm referring to, yes! unfortunately it seems like whenever I try to clarify or explain anything everyone just disappears from the chat instantly 😭 I hope I'm not a constructive feedback repellant or anything

[final oxide]

Doesn't matter if its intentional the idea of adding more crates is fine but there isn't a single player who wouldn't be happy to be able to scrap fiery and non fiery bonfire cosmetics together. And I'd say most players are actually annoyed that that wasn't something you could do by default

[quasi mural]

solution:
once you scrap any festival, choose the type of pool that you want the scrap (only for silverbull if u wanna keep that stuff)

allow any type of bonfire to scrap, if you don't choose a pool, they will scrap into the newest pool and not legacy ones

if you have silverbull u will have the chance of choosing the pool that you want

that way you can have legacy stuff, but harder to get since is locked behind havin silverbull sub + scrapping system while making it posible to players to scrap mixed pools, some ppl have like 1-2 cosmetics from legacy crates and is just annoying to have them

at any case it doesn't affect ppl with all legacy content and it doesn't bloat the pool

[dense palm]

Think it should have a different label then so you can tell them apart

[static stratus]

They should have. Being bonfire for old ones and fiery bonfire for new ones.

[harsh stream]

if ur not gonna let us scrap the cosmetics give us the option to delete the cosmetic

this is a completley fair and reasonable thing to do; Also maybe let players know ahead of time or be more clear with the messaging

it really is that simple to just be clearer with the messaging. It feels like 90% of the devs teams problems could be cleared up by just being more transparent with the player base. I love this game but the lack of clarity on this festival and the last update was not ideal

[static stratus]

I think I speak for more CT than just me if I say I assumed people wouldnt be mad about the leftover cosmetics. Like I myself have a ton and just dont really care. But its understandable that it could be annoying so we have suggested smth internally.

[sharp crown]

oh damn i hate this, i have dupliccates i wanted to get rid of this year

so how do we get legacy crates ?

[bold temple]

i might be misremembering, but when this feature was initially announced, wasnt there also plans to let players choose what type of crate they wanted to earn from daily/weekly objectives?

[silent gull]

That's exactly what bothers me

[limber dragon]

"I don't think the people complaining about this change would mind at all if they just rolled new bonfire cosmetics from scrapping legacy ones"... you would be 100% wrong about this

[limber dragon]

interesting idea, could be explored

[limber dragon]

well it is quite annoying at times, it only becomes whatever once you have a ton of cosmetics

[limber dragon]

good point, we kinda need a way to be able to get old cosmetics daily or whatever too

[limber dragon]

maybe because they might want to introduce the legacy crate with.. you know.. actual normal crate split into legacy + recent

and not just legacy + new festival cosmetics

just a guess

[harsh stream]

Judging by the fact that there have been two suggestions about this (one locked recently) I think it’s safe to say that a decent bit of people care; it’s a nice quality of life thing especially for duplicates of a cosmetic.

I am grateful that there are attempts being made to remediate this, but I stand by the fact this problem wouldn’t have existed if the dev team was more transparent on the way crates were going to work

[final oxide]

That thread had over 20 likes and the agreed solution in that was simply just to allow scrapping with bonfire and fiery bonfire together using the same system as scrapping different powders together. That's by far the simplest solution and solved all the problems