Scummy Wynn advertisements

[storm ravine]

constant chat messages, /use, random ass statue

[proud hollow]

It was right next to the portal

[wild pine]

oh ok then it must have gotten removed last second

[proud hollow]

-# Unless my memory is that bad...

[storm ravine]

yeah but that makes sense since it is an actual paid thing, it’s different when they just randomly add shit to make people interact with the store

[proud hollow]

Ah

[small cove]

idk what ur point is. ur invalidating the points in this thread by pulling opinions from another issue? i dont think shares are great either, theres one guy who said he spent 5k whaling which is just crazy to me, they couldnt moderate irl trading so they decided to legalize it
but thats not the point of this thread.

[sly zealot]

as Salted said, people don't pay attention to chat messages like that, it feels invisible and you get used to it and you can live with it

[storm ravine]

like you are actually made to interact with the store when you go to claim your pets, just like you are now forced to interact with the store to access your cosmetics

[placid delta]

To be 100% clear your concerns are valid and justified I’m not saying they are exclusive

I am just saying I find it funny this is the dealbreaker

[echo gazelle]

another iffy placement for a store podium... this part of kandon, although underused gameplay wise, is actually used for some very important parts of the breaking point quest: rhay and ineos' introduction and the penultimate cutscene where the dogun elders gather everyone to witness the magic thingy to fix/unlock tcc. now those cutscenes feel like they're placed where they are just to bring your attention to the store in the back and makes seeing the store pedestal devalue the cutscenes a bit imo

[storm ravine]

society bad
if bad why live in it

[placid delta]

My point was just saying it’s nothing new to remind ppl of shop

[storm ravine]

why is it even there

[small cove]

well i guess idk about op but for me its just this on top of the recent changes aswell as silverbull shares on tm

[sly light]

Because salted needs a car

[storm ravine]

never before have we been actively forced to interact with the shop to this degree

[sly zealot]

1. new players cannot buy game knowledge, and even in f2p, grinding up to good gear doesn't take that long, and an extra really fun step that p2w new players just miss out on, its fine
2. its not just cosmetics though, and doesn't matter, if it feels like something is being constantly pushed into your face

so your comment is not good

[spice flare]

maybe its not salted behind the store profits and its actually the doguns and in that cutscene they are trying to manipulate you (the player) to buy their stuff so that they can "upkeep" the canyon colossus

[wild pine]

i am tempted to send the gif but its annoying so i won't...

[spice flare]

what they actually do with your money though is gamble it all away

[wild pine]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[rose sigil]

We need these npc stores for housing so I can spam guild island with them

[echo gazelle]

no way...

[placid delta]

Idk if I said something and people think I mean something else

The only thing I mean is this is funny to me

[jaunty sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866453187421929562/1288364581764333619/togif.gif

[placid delta]

Like your concerns are fine, I just think this being the pushing point is funny

[digital dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064862363431485481/1403558633081667706/convert.gif

[chrome moss]

i think ads should probably be limited to something like in the hub or even the class selection menu or in-game join messages (that lil MOTD you get when you join), in RPGs it's important to perserve the immersion into the game-world (as that's what makes an RPG feel good and like you're actually in it in a way)

wynn's gotta make it's money ofc, all servers do and I know this but I don't think it should intrude on the gameworld as much as it currently does as of the recent update

[storm ravine]

also idk nagisa you are arguing in incredibly bad faith no one is complaining that they are advertising the store they are complaining that this kind of advertisement is scummy

[sly light]

Are you trolling me rn

[digital dune]

yes

[storm ravine]

this some kind of logical fallacy i just don’t know which one

[small cove]

true that but not to this degree? i'd be shocked if someone was saying "don't mention the shop at all. i don't want to see any mention of it in the chat or ingame", but to this degree? i mean they're clearly being placed in points of interest, so they're meant to be obnoxious, cuz thats the point of them, they get in your face to constantly remind you of the shop

as others have said wynncraft does need to make their money but it doesnt need to be this way, theres been so many good suggestions in beta feedback

[placid delta]

????

Idk if I just worded something badly if I do my bad
My point is just “game was p2w” and “shop in town” being your limit is funny to me

[sly zealot]

reacting with totally unrelated topic.. interesting

[wild pine]

if this went through it wouldn't have been something funny like it is now and i might have actually been pissed the absolute fuck off 💀

[ashen violet]

I think the big argument is that the placement of advertisements are poorly assigned

[storm ravine]

it’s clear they didn’t have a problem with sensible advertisement of the past and have an issue with this form. they’re both advertisements. wonder what the difference is

[sly light]

Nah they just shouldn't be there

[digital dune]

which they’re slowly fixing

[placid delta]

Look I’m not gonna keep replying, I wasn’t trying to argue at all let alone frustrate people my bad for wording or something

I hope you get the changes you want

[small cove]

thats just sone i dont want them in the games map
if so maybe only in ragni castle

[sly zealot]

in any case, podiums in general break immersion WAY TOO MUCH

[wild pine]

this and that the way they look is really immersion breaking

[ashen violet]

I dislike them as well but I'm willing to tolerate them if they're limited to central tading hubs

[sly light]

Wynn has had a great history of fair monetization imo, bombs and totems are fantastic i just wish it didn't get to this point

I dont have an issue with monetization they're just doing it so wrong

[proud hollow]

This

[storm ravine]

salted needs a new Ikea Micke, Desk, white, 55 7/8 x 19 5/8 “ bro it’s only fair

[digital dune]

change the theming to the silverbull company ingame itself trying to advertise shit maybe

[jaunty sparrow]

😭 😭 😭

[sly zealot]

yes and if made less immersion breaking (Which will happen from what I've heard)

[wild pine]

yea i understand

[small cove]

silverbull company wants you to buy champion! bomb bell and super duper queue!

[storm ravine]

ngl shoot guild banners while they’re at it

[sly zealot]

no that won't work

[storm ravine]

low key hate those things

[digital dune]

or really just leave them exclusive to major towns and cities
like
tempo town??? seriously

[ashen violet]

Ong, have them be behind the trade market npcs as an interactable booth or board or something, blends in way better than the current positioning

[storm ravine]

alekin is crazy too

[jaunty sparrow]

is there actually a podium in the path to darkness

[ashen violet]

Though that may lead to annoying misclicks

[sly zealot]

but again I'd like to go back to the 30% permanent rank sale thing...

#1403840261720768624 message

opinions on this comment?

[wild pine]

not anymore but it seems like it was in beta

[sly light]

It was so funny reading his update on that lol

[storm ravine]

Now they’re law abiding dw

[small cove]

send plz ?

[remote tundra]

for the sake of immersion i hope so

[digital dune]

No

[strange hedge]

what if 2.2 is capitalism

[sly zealot]

basically.. to me, it feels like they found a way to turn a potentially illegal thing into a legal thing by modifying it into personal recurring sales...

I'm sure thats not exactly what happened, but that is how it feels

[digital dune]

ok did i edit that in too well or something 😭 😭

[wild pine]

VERY WELL

[exotic folio]

this made me laugh out loud when i first saw it very good meme

[sly light]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/update-on-the-wardrobe-wonders-patch.322148/

[wild pine]

bro if there was one on path to darkness i'd crash out

[echo gazelle]

agreed

[strange hedge]

capitalism

[storm ravine]

next step your gathering and craftings will be taxed by the guild that holds the territory

seize production next

[placid delta]

Kinda funny way to make conflict
"Failed resource gatherings go to guild territory"

[sly light]

When i first heard of wars I thought terr taxing would be actually noticeable

[sleek inlet]

can anyone else confirm getting crates from that

[jaunty sparrow]

yeah i got 2 crates from it

[polar sleet]

what if we could block ads with a silverbull subscription as an added incentive

[proud hollow]

I have been bamboozled

[sly zealot]

this would be counter-intuitive tbh.. most players would want silversub for glints anyway

[storm ravine]

something something guild update 2028

[sleek inlet]

@outer badger are these crates going to be given out regularly???

[storm ravine]

if you have champ and also silverbull you block ads holy peak

[sleek inlet]

Holy mobile games strat

[polar sleet]

what if we could listen to ads to take a break from the ads

[storm ravine]

wynn mobile when

[strange hedge]

have it be a crappy match 3 game

[polar sleet]

you CANNOT last 4 seconds playing this game

[storm ravine]

last 4 seconds doing what

[polar sleet]

proffing

[storm ravine]

bullet hell but it’s me controlling olinus and dodging orphion sun

peak

[jaunty sparrow]

it says theres a cooldown on it

so maybe its free daily crates

[spare kelp]

smh well i didnt get any crates when i got champion rank

[storm ravine]

chargeback

nothing bad will happen trust

[spare kelp]

bet

[zenith walrus]

pretty sure it is

[glacial badger]

bro you know what why dont we just add billboard to the side of roads with wynncraft sponsers

and shove the store in everyone's faces every 10 seconds with unskippable ads

god the future of this game is so cooked 😭

[frigid raven]

Buy a rank so they don't resort to that kind of marketing then

[glacial badger]

I have

And I was gonna buy champion but idfk if it’s worth it vs hero plus

[mental vapor]

The silverbull ceo explaining how hes gonna get the dern beast to agree to putting an ad in lutho.

[digital dune]

revamp the lore
the silverbull ceo betrayed orphion to the dern beast and got him infected so they could put an ad in lutho

[mental vapor]

The random silverbull employee about to infect orphion so his boss can put up a billboard.

[steady mason]

I personally dislike it not because its a store ad, but because it just kinda hurts the immersion (not the right word) and just sticks out to me

[digital dune]

make like a silverbull employee near each podium with unique dialogue depending on the town
would make that a bit better maybe

[steady mason]

Though honestly I dont know how else I could do it. I honestly would probably enjoy a billboard with a shop ad on on a painting

[steady mason]

yeah i think that would make it better aswell

[wild pine]

for fucking real bro

[mental vapor]

Its kinda like when a story trys to have some sense of urgency but youve spent 100 hours doing random side quests before you get to the main stuff

Like in fallout 4. Its all like "you gotta find your son its so super important. Here help these random settlers and join this gang of revulutionary war roleplayers."

Which theres ways to have stuff like this without killing immersion or intrest. FOr example, just cause 3 is basically entirely side content, but it makes sense why you are doing it because the side content is liberating towns which has been explained to be what you are trying to do, liberate Medici.

I like the idea of billboards.

[glacial badger]

Are we fr 🥀

[mental vapor]

Its better then whatever the fuck this is.

[glacial badger]

I’d rather have the shops in towns than random billboards

🥀

Overall this was kind of douchey by the team to last minute add this without feedback can’t wait for the dev team to do more of this

[mental vapor]

Yeah this is the biggest issue. THis has kind of broken alot of trust in the community.

Whats especially bad is even though the community reaction was largely negative, they still went ahead with it. And acted like "oh well it only looks bad in the beta" and then proceeded to make no changes.

[subtle drum]

The only advertisement that should be removed is the one from ragni

[mental vapor]

refer

[subtle drum]

you can't just ask money from the new players on their first 5 minutes of playtime

[glacial badger]

You can and should in fact we should just put everything behind a paywall

[wild pine]

yes but not only

[subtle drum]

you ask them after they reach their 2nd town/city

[ancient snow]

Or you know, detlas, the big hub of the game where stuff happens

Silverbull promoting the store at detlas/cinfras would fit very well

[digital dune]

also wanted to tell you who to blame for the idea :D

[proud hollow]

...

[sly light]

I would very much like to see how much money these ads (and the update in general) generates for wynn compared to before the update. I appreciated getting some info on the server's financial situation in your initial post-update forums post, and I hope we can continue analyzing the effects in the future

[unborn badger]

I believe this is one of the best addition to wynncraft

[glacial badger]

yk what i absolutley agre.

[sleek inlet]

Unpopular opinion but I don't think it's all that intrusive and is actually a net benefit to all players as long as the cosmetics crates refresh sooner than once a month for non ranks

Cause then you're actively looking towards the podium with excitement not dread or annoyance

[visual dawn]

i dont think its too intrusive either. but it definitely ruins the immersion. but the same applies for chat advertisements as well

[jagged wigeon]

Lowkey, I agree with just put them in the big towns…no one is going to run to buy champion without even walking into deltas

And you kinda can’t buy a rank before Ragni unless u start with one

No reason to have every little town have a podium, if I started a server and every location was trying to get me to spend I’d likely stop playing

It just feels like the game is reaching for your wallet at all times now which turns a lot of people off

I mean damn, new player loads in with no mods and there is a podium at every town telling them to spend, chat messages every half hour telling them to spend, they go into queue and it’s telling them to spend

They get it, they have the option to spend money, stop pressuring them lmao

[visual dawn]

/toggle popups dont work on the offers right? idr

[jagged wigeon]

No idea, but a new player won’t know there is a command more than likely

As it stands I’m lowkey embarrassed to ask people to try the server, it asks for your wallet every 5 minutes 😭

[crude osprey]

A bit of an exaggeration, when the “asking for your wallet” only applies to concepts like boosted experience gains and cosmetics, for new players, and is entirely contained within its podium and a few specific shouts.

It’s still passive, even with the more P2W aspects prevalent within LR’s and—significantly less so—Raids

[jagged wigeon]

It’s still throwing shop in ur face at every turn, it feels kinda bad

It’s like I’m on a Roblox game and it’s asking me to buy game passes every 10 minutes

[jagged wigeon]

Also contained within the podium that is front and center in every town isn’t the most contained thing in the world

I get advertising is needed, but this is just a lil overboard

[sleek inlet]

It's literally pay 2 win update brah

[crude osprey]

Lmao, “sales-Lutho-citizen” is censored when all one word

[woven matrix]

sales-lutho

that'd be my guess anyway

[crude osprey]

Podiums are obstructive, of course, and I don’t think they thematically fit in the world as well as something like a sales person. I’d like to have it be saved for more “high traffic” cities, or be made into something a bit more justifiable in a traveling merchant

[crude osprey]

Another peacock situation

[woven matrix]

I've seen it referred to as the cl-butt-ic problem or the scun.thorpe problem

and with the former I actually DID get in trouble once when I was in school, and a teacher was looking over my shoulder as I was writing out assassin

[crude osprey]

Love the filtration system; always has the most incredible timing of finding a random swear in my 7 paragraph message

[crude osprey]

Got in a ton of trouble one time, in school, when I brain farted and asked for via-g-r-@ instead of ibuprofen

[torpid ingot]

This is why, when writing a multi paragraph epic about the ethics of pay to win in a block game, you should copy the entire essay before hitting send just in case you get filtered

[crude osprey]

Considered, but will inevitably not be used, as once it’s gone, I can’t be bothered anyway

I’m sure whatever I was typing was slop anyway

[torpid ingot]

Not even close to being the worst in #1019649786799996980 though

[unborn badger]

I think this update and the advertisement is the best addition to wynncraft yet

[crude osprey]

For a forum page made for constructive feedback, Ive seen a truck load of cons that feedback into… into…

[final pine]

someone need to make a comparison of these ad with other p2w server have in their in game shop

[rapid valve]

this would have been even funnier putting the podium right behind the skeleton npc

[digital dune]

too much effort sorry

that mf is pitch black id have to manually select every pixel or something lol

actually fuck it

[near valve]

It's possible there are some cases where we do but we do try to not filter out store related stuff btw

[sonic jacinth]

honestly how many "store items" are made for new/mid game players to buy? half the bombs seem very irrelivant until then end game besides XP bombs. Pets are fun but dont really become usefull until the end game where you have leveled them up and are grinding mass amounts of loot so you use the pet bank store function. Perm ranks could be a possiblity as I bought my intial VIP at lvl 60 but again the rewards werent actually useful until I reached end game where the trading market slots actually matters. I guess technically Low level players could buy Silverbullshares to sell and get $ but that completely throws out the "balance" of early game eco. To me the store is 95% exclusively designed for end game players in mind. this type of "thinking" seems weird to me that you want more visibility to newer players while not really having a good product being marketed towards them

[rapid valve]

that's what loaned AP where meant to help with to my knowledge, since the AT is by far the most interesting and flashy part of wynncraft throughout early and midgame

[sonic jacinth]

:/ to me that idea falls super flat (i dont have any better ones though)

[timid lotus]

tbh still think lowkey loaning aint it, since also makes level scaling abuse more powerful like in nol

[rapid valve]

level scaling abuse should be done away with i think true but it is the only serious instance of this really being an issue i feel

[timid lotus]

techn ially makes early game more esa (and boring lowkey) but yeah level scaling is the more serious issue

[rapid valve]

mob totems allow you to mobgrind and ignore the game

[sonic jacinth]

wdym??

u mean just speed leveling?

[rapid valve]

yeah a number of ranked perks are just paying to have an easier time with aspects of the game you don't necessarily want to engage much with

i don't think that part of loaned AP is really problematic, the only real issue is level scaling but i feel level scaling is also just a result of other humorous circumstances

[timid lotus]

i actually think mob grinding for items is rly enjoyable and i lowkey find it sad its not rly viable (aside from mob totem spamming)

also i personally think speedleveling is fine to exist like i fr coudnt be asked to do another 100% quest after doing it 2 times so for future would just speed level

[rapid valve]

like let's not pretend level scaling wasn't seriously silly before loaned AP

[sonic jacinth]

^top runners in Notg were lvl 65 for the longes time, I think Linny did alot of level scaling raids if you need better source for info

[rapid valve]

oh no, please don't misunderstand i don't mean to say mob spot grindign with totems should be done away with, people have their fun with it and it's whatever.

i'm just saying mob totems and loaned AP are not so unlike in how they allow you to just have an easier time with progressing through the game

[sonic jacinth]

AP striaght skip/ mob grinding u need to commit even if its more effectiant than base game (massive difference in my mind)

[timid lotus]

i mean thats true i also rember using mob totems for some quests / dungeons (i think disabled nows in dungeons) since some token rooms have abysmal spawnrate (s/o to qira hive spawn rates in some rooms)

[rapid valve]

token room spawnrates should just be adjusted

to not be miserable for some of them

[unborn badger]

Pers r pretty op while leveling ngl

[rapid valve]

i do see loaned AP exacerbating the issue of level scaling abuse and i do think something needs to happen about that issue, but i don't think loaned ap are really that big a deal otherwise because wynncraft just doesn't have like anything competitive before endgame

(given loaned ap are disabled in hunted)

[sonic jacinth]

Personally I think a better think to market to new players would be "locking" some classes like possibly assassin and shaman behind a "reach level 20" achievment or "reach level 50" achviement. something that is Free to play to unlock but forces new players to commit 2-4 hours before doing so, I would be drawn to "donate" to unlock cool classes (im kinda thinking a bit like diablo has done in the past)

[rapid valve]

maybe, though i fear that would also be met with considerable backlash from removing access of people to those classes to start with

[sonic jacinth]

i know wynn had old VIP town and assassin use to be donate only but modifying that I persoanlly think is moreapealing than trying to convince new players they need 4 more AP points

[sonic jacinth]

solution. make a new class 🙂

[rapid valve]

idk, we'll see! with things like this gathering data is probably the only real way to tell what works well and what does not

[unborn badger]

Does wynncraft still have good data collection

[timid lotus]

tbf could be like a hero class (pretty sure thats what WoW calls it) where u need to have a x leveld classes and said classes starts at x level alrdy

[unborn badger]

I heard it’s data collection is kinda ass

[rapid valve]

the amount of data wynncraft tracks to judge how content is doing is scaring me sometimes

[sonic jacinth]

I do wish yall were more open about talking about things like that

[unborn badger]

Like scaring u because there’s a lot or scaring you because there’s none

Teally had to use a discord poll to ask about le gains.

[rapid valve]

it's just not practical to discuss and announce everything ahead of time, i'm afraid

[sonic jacinth]

there have been times it feels like players vocal opintions are completely ignored because of some random data the team wonot elaborate on

[mental vapor]

Entropy and the riftwalker changes.

[rapid valve]

there's lots and lots but some things just aren't tracked because tracking them would be kind of hard or wasn't thought of at the time it was implemented

[mental vapor]

The ads.

[rapid valve]

i don't wanan go into too much detail about it though

[timid lotus]

does it track like hysb the most randome shit imagineable (see image as example)
https://i.imgur.com/15HKuTk.png (ignore the skill xp ones)

[mental vapor]

Uuh war community was pretty upset about the 5% paladin resistance loss for basically no reason.

[unborn badger]

Can you put my input into the data (I believe theses ads are the best additions to wynncraft yet)

[sonic jacinth]

to slightly recenture the topic. I do think wynn needs better targeted products to the early/mid game if they want to keep pushing the importnce of "hooking" these players

for me early game, horse gambling kept me around, it felt fun and the only use of $

[rapid valve]

I feel like people have a weird attitude on this. You can tell us what you think and we're reading pretty much everything that get posted here but we still curate if we think the suggestions people are making are good

[timid lotus]

https://i.imgur.com/9ThuAwv.png actually here even more funny random ass shit they just have in the API

[sonic jacinth]

i wont derail to much but LRing has felt like a slap in the face over and over again

[rapid valve]

Not every feedback is well-informed, reasonable or even actionable

[mental vapor]

Yeaah but also like. womp womp. Is a moment that will go down in history as quite possibly one of the worst ways for a ct to respond to feedback.

[timid lotus]

i refuse to belive wynn tracks like random stuff as much as that lol

[unborn badger]

I think endgame p2w things are stupid in an mmo but I think early game p2w that speeds up the first few days of content for you is great.

[mental vapor]

We were told the ads looked bad in beta but would look fine on release but they remain untouched. That was really the only thing that made the few people who were ok with them willing to wait and see.

[unborn badger]

Hence I think the ap is lowkey not that bad of an idea

It’s just poorly executed due to the raids

[rapid valve]

Well yeah! But that just shouldn't happen to begin with.

[sonic jacinth]

there have be some ct "cough madeline cough" that have done irreparable damage to the wynn teams reputation ngl

[mental vapor]

Devs please let riftwalker take siance and the new node oh my god riftwalker is so ass now it was already bad the entropy nerf acheived the opposite of what it was meant to do. It just ruined riftwalker arcanist is kind of unnefected. The reason people used entropy was to make close range meteors more consistent whyyyy

And now rw cant offhand apparently wtf is this bro are we trying to make a worse archetype then bolt?

[sonic jacinth]

has rift walker ever been good? i dint think I remeber a single build that outclassed braindead Looni bender

[rapid valve]

If people ask for the reason for a change, ct should answer and that's kind of that.

[unborn badger]

Some other people will say other wise ngl

[mental vapor]

It was like usable in raids and stuff. It could output passible damage with siance.

[unborn badger]

I think more things need attention than riftwalker rn.

[rapid valve]

You can make a case for why it's you think the change made the game worse and if it's convincing I'm sure the other ct would love to try to improve on that shortcoming

[mental vapor]

Just maake the blinding thing one ap. Or remove it.

[sonic jacinth]

im mainly a LR so raid meta goes over my heads sometimes

[rapid valve]

Anyhow that's a bit of a different discussion.

[sonic jacinth]

i have extreme opinions about the 100 challange cap added to lrs (the update that adds "infinite greens and reds" that actually nerfed the avg challange cap by 35-40 ;/

[rapid valve]

If you have feedback about other topics, feel free to make a thread about it! :)

that way topics can stay at least marginally sorted

[mental vapor]

I really dislile how the ad situation was handled. We were told they looked out of place because its the beta and they would be adjusted. It was a suprise change hours before the beta ended, almost seemed like they only announced it because people noticed it. And they remain unchanged.

[digital dune]

probably bad time to post this but whatever

[mental vapor]

Like the little time we were able to give feedback on the ads it was pretty much entirely negative or just "well they said it would look better out of beta"

[rapid valve]

This seems a little conspiratorial

[sonic jacinth]

NO WAY THERES ON THERE

[rapid valve]

absolute peam, amazing edit

[timid lotus]

LMAOOO

absolute Peak edit

[sonic jacinth]

lmao u actually got me

[zenith bobcat]

move out the way man I got an ad to read

[mental vapor]

Its more so just the principle. Of course i dont think it wss that, although it 100% could be. Its just a suprise change at the last minute to sort of force it in there with little pushback.

Seriously how the fuck is there an ad in lutho. What was the offer the dern beast couldnt refuse. What the fuck.

[sonic jacinth]

Tbh what are peoples problem with the "ad" (we are talkiing aboiut the stupid podium thing right?)

in my opnion it looks mostly fine so i kinda dont get the "its looks ugly/bad" part

[mental vapor]

This is one of the issues.

[unborn badger]

You know tailored ads are more effective than randomly placing ads

When is wynncraft gonna track my browsing history

[rapid valve]

And there is no possibility this was a last minute change because salted wasn't sure it would get done and took a gamble and it only got done last minute?

[mental vapor]

It should have just been put on hold for another time. Not only is the entire thing a really bad look, sort of thr cherry on top for the p2wynn crowd. It just feels like it was added despite the short period of negative feedback, with no adjustments. I think the biggest fuck up is ct team members saying that it looks clunky in the beta but will look better when released. That was kind of the only reason alot of people, myself included, werent immediatly just "no this should never be added in any capacity." (I mean i wss sort of in that crowd, but i was also like well ill just wait to see if its better on release"

[rapid valve]

do you really think people would have reacted more positively if it was done one cycle later disjointed from the rest of the store update

[pearl ridge]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1403793087666585670 have you read this thread btw 🙏

[rapid valve]

I skimmed it, I don't see how this is really doable, how would it know how to limit your Ability tree

[rapid valve]

Oh that

A little messy but kind of gets the job done, I suppose.

Don't really have much more to say about it than that

[pearl ridge]

yeah

idk I'm not opposed to loaned AP as a perk, I just don't want it to ruin midgame raids since notg and nol are still competitive content

[rapid valve]

maybe. i do think level scale abusing should just not be worth it to do explicitly, loaned AP or not

[pearl ridge]

I think I said this in the post as well, but loaned AP adds an additional variable on top of level scaling and makes it even harder to fix

because even if you decrease the level scaling numbers, loaned AP still returns like half of that power and there's still going to be an issue until you either screw over unranked players even further or remove ehp scaling as well

yet another reason why loaned AP in raids should be reconsidered

[rapid valve]

idk the solution to this, i frankly don't want to think about stat balance, it's not my area of expertise

[pearl ridge]

yeah fair enough

[rapid valve]

i think level scaling abuse conceptually is silly no matter which way it comes about and the worst of it was already there before loaned AP

which to me suggests the problem has a more underlying cause than just this store update feature. i won't contest it doesn't help it, but there might be a better solution to deal with both level scaling abuse and thus the loaned AP issue at once

[pearl ridge]

🤷 also fair enough, I personally think that disabling loaned AP in raids in the short term would at least tone the issue back down to what it was before this update

[storm ravine]

there’s no real fixing to level scaling tbh

i don’t actually think it’s that big of an issue you aren’t actually getting that much of a boost

[rapid valve]

thank you df carry

[storm ravine]

df not getting all that much over traditional builds anyways

i think acolyte or pure are crazy though

[plush ermine]

is fine if you keep the emerald rewards the same

[limber magnet]

They should add more sale pedestals to Detlas. Once at the west entrance and one at the trade market.

[frail folio]

Weekly raffle tickets for putting one on ur housing island

[sly zealot]

metin 2 flashback

[placid delta]

“Objective [0/1]”
“Purchase and use a shout bomb”

Reward : 16,000,000 EXP & 40,960 emeralds

[strange hedge]

literally mobile gaming

[placid delta]

come on be real if wynn were a mobile game soul points would be here and it would cost 5 to do a quest or start a lootrun (you still lose them on death)

[rapid valve]

the offline regen rate would be 1 per 6h

[placid delta]

removed soul point bombs, but you can now refill them for 1 share

[frozen rose]

Why should there be an advertisement up when your menu brings you to the shop in the first place? Your whole menu is the shop, you can't get to your stuff unless you go to an almost hidden icon to get to use your items. I think that would be enough for people to know there is an actual shop right?

[storm ravine]

Nah don’t worry hey zeero thinks it’s more sensible that you have to click once to go to the bomb shop and click twice to access your own bombs

design masterclass

[frozen rose]

Ah yes, optimization at it's finest

Truly the greatest skilled people in charge of making this game

[storm ravine]

user experience is my passion

[frozen rose]

Mhm mhm

[sly light]

Remove raids scaling to level in graid

That would fix most issues i have with it ngl

[steady mason]

i mean its not good ux, but its pretty obvious why the bombs are located in the shop

[wild pine]

yeah that would fix the issue with level scaling abuse but it would bring back notg being defeated in 0.0001 miliseconds

[sly light]

How so?

[torpid ingot]

Raids don’t level scale so a graid endgame group will go in and one-shot it

[sly light]

im not following?

graids should all be tuned to endgame players

if you enter with a level 80 then you're gonna be weak

[zenith bobcat]

level scaling goes both ways

Notg is level 54 so having actual hp is scaled to lvl 105 not the other way around

[wild pine]

also i prefer level scaling over a set scale, level scaling abuse isn't enough of a reason to revert back imo.

[lean hare]

Still would prefer something like this

[storm ravine]

unironically that is better than jamming up the use menu

[unborn badger]

i feel like half of the playerbase doesnt even use the playeremenu feels likes its mostly endgame players who actually have cosmetics or bombs.

[storm ravine]

yeah it’s literally people who already paid for shit seeing more ways to pay for shit it’s genuinely so annoying

[unborn badger]

Kinda pointless to be there ngl

U know like the black loading menu

[storm ravine]

like i know how to buy things 😭them trying to frame it as “We’re simply reminding older players, who might have forgotten how to spend money, how to buy things” is such insane reasoning

[unborn badger]

The box that tps u every now and then

They should put it there instead

Make it take longer to tp you.

[storm ravine]

it’s literally like the entire point of this update was to shove ads into people’s faces and i don’t think anyone likes it but they keep pretending it’s for our own good, so we can “remember how to access the store”

[unborn badger]

If u are a no rank lmao…

[storm ravine]

priority game loading

[unborn badger]

They ran out of capital to build fruma

[storm ravine]

champions get super priority game loading

[unborn badger]

This just a last resort cuz they were out of budget

[storm ravine]

hopefully they will finally realize that they should work on customer retention and not just how much money they can squeeze out of people until they get mad

[unborn badger]

More subscriptions and dlcs

Make horse locked behind a paywall

Make crafted item locked behind a pay wall

[storm ravine]

all great ideas

[unborn badger]

Make lutho stat pots locked behind a paywall

Make raiding Locked behind a subscription

Make level 80+ lock behind paywall as well

Fuck it make it cost money to even start turtorial

[tawny sable]

nahhh that it way more in your face than random podiums in towns

with the podiums you will get used to them pretty fast and then you will just stop noticing them, with that its so in your face that you simply wouldnt be able to stop noticing it

[unborn badger]

Nah it’s not about not noticing them it’s so fugly

Actually everything in this update is ugly

The new armor items

[tawny sable]

then ask them to make them look better rather than asking them to give us a worse ad

[unborn badger]

They made the broccoli shaman skin smaller

[tawny sable]

its like if yt had obnoxious banner ads and instead of asking for them to become less obnoxious you asked for pre-roll ads

ofc not a direct comparison because at least this wouldnt stop you in your tracks but still

[lean hare]

Difference is one lasts a few seconds the other lasts forever

[tawny sable]

lmao what are you even saying

if we're looking at how long its sat there in total both last forever, if we're looking at how long you have to look at them for at a time both are a few seconds

[lean hare]

Unlike you I spend most of my time being social in towns

[tawny sable]

so? unless your hangout spots are right next to where the podiums are, the only reason you'll ever notice them is because you've got yourself so worked up about them in this thread

[lean hare]

They put it in town squares... or banks you cant miss them

[tawny sable]

out of interest which towns do you generally hang out in

[lean hare]

In order of most to least from my top 6 deltas lutho cinfras ahmsord Ragni and nemract

[lean hare]

Also it disrupts immersion I don't appriciate seeing any adds ingame. Its immersion breaking. Its a vibe killer

[tawny sable]

lutho: its on the side that i at least find myself on the least (the ones im generally on being in front of the banks, next to housing balloon, next to tm)
cinfras: down a little bit along one of the paths and its so noisy that yeah nah you are not noticing that
ahmsord: nowhere near the "town square"
ragni: yeah thats absolutely fair, it should not be there
nemract: a little bit out of the middle but quite colourful in an otherwise muted-tones town so yeah thats fair too

but either way, the vast majority of players dont really play like that - most people spend most of their (non-afk) time in raids/lrs/etc rather than a few earlygame towns

[tawny sable]

the disrupting immersion is only an issue if you're constantly noticing it, which my whole point is that you simply will not once you've got used to it and the problem ones are dealt with

[lean hare]

I fundimentally disagree with you on principle its clear neither of us will persuade the other. So lets just accept we will disagree on this.

[tawny sable]

im more trying to convince anyone reading this who might have the power to change it to an ad in /class ngl

[lean hare]

I personally would prefer it in the class selector which is more akin to the hub. Rather than ingame itself

[tawny sable]

and i personally really would not

but i think we both know eachothers stances on this already

[lean hare]

Yup

[sleek inlet]

This is the better option

[sleek inlet]

Thematically advertisements are better in class selector where you mentally are disengaging from the game. It's not part of your game immersion to warp and swap between different bodies, but it IS part of game immersion to open up your wardrobe and pick out your accessories

[lean hare]

Yeah

[steel crescent]

I cant wait for the next update where we get popups for raid/lr rerolls that come up after every raid/lr

The true mobile game experience

[cyan mango]

I understand that a lot of people wouldn't like shop access or a card on the /class screen that displayed deals.
Can we instead just make it a little board by each tm access instead then? I hate seeing the stupid things in every fing settlement. They don't fit in at all. And make it actually something that would make sense in the game world as opposed to a straight up ad for the in-game store with hovering elements in the middle of a poor town.

[sly light]

You dont understand guys, they need to add advertisements into the game

[ionic minnow]

I don't understand why there aren't billboards at the raid entrances

Either right in front of where you raid complete or fail

[sly light]

womp womp you failed the raid now heres an ad

[merry solar]

watch a 15s ad to revive in the raid

[torpid ingot]

Nah that’s good business, getting someone who’s already dropped money on the game to drop more money is easier that getting someone who’s never spent money on the game to drop money

[ionic minnow]

Yeah good it's what you deserve

[lean hare]

How about a custum painting plastered everywherd

[ionic minnow]

Billboards with the sales that pop up in the shop menu!

[storm ravine]

might actually be some fentonomics

[torpid ingot]

It sounds weird but it’s true, it’s why a lot of gacha games have cheap bundles specifically designed for new players, it’s not them being generous or whatever, it’s them trying to get a newbie to drop some cash on the game so they will be more willing to do so in the future

It’s easier to justify a purchase on a game if you already spent money in it

[sly light]

Gacha games typically survive off whales, but Salted has been pretty clear that most of their income is from noobs buying vip and quitting

I see both sides tho

[cyan mango]

fing sunk cost fallacy
that can go die in a ditch, I abhor it

-# granted that's something that I have way more of an issue with than most people, it's a marketing strat at the end of the day

[torpid ingot]

I think maybe Salted wants to transition their main income to whales rather than newbies, you can only have so many newbies, but if you capture a few whales then the game is set

I think that’s why a lot of the changes to monetization that were made this update were catered towards endgame players, shares are more valuable, you have the tokens for raids and lrs, and even the changes to rank slots incentivize more endgame spending, as newbies aren’t going to really feel the TM slot problem but endgame certainly will

Whales are ultimately more sustainable than hoping a newbie decides to buy VIP before they drop the game and forget it ever existed

[steel crescent]

I thought the whole reason newbies bought vip was for tm slots

[sly light]

i mean yeah its not a bad strategy

ive spent a shit ton of money on this game ill say

[torpid ingot]

They get mob totems, bank pages, and character slots

Mob totems and bank pages are pretty valuable to a new account

[steel crescent]

Fair enough

I guess i didnt see it that way

[torpid ingot]

Though it seems like VIP+ is more popular and VIP+ offers TM slots so it could go either way

I think in VIP+ case it’s a combo of all 3

[steel crescent]

The fact that this game sustains off vip is crazy, what a high turnover rate

Wonder why they nerfed vip

[torpid ingot]

I was looking at the store page for info and what the fuck

[torpid ingot]

Get more people to buy VIP+

[steel crescent]

I just dont see that working

[torpid ingot]

Or just increase VIP+ value in general, less reason to grind shares for VIP so instead you grind for VIP+

[steel crescent]

The targeted sales they’re doing might though

[torpid ingot]

You’re likely to get tired of the grind and just drop money on VIP+

[storm ravine]

it’s just enshittification

i get the whales argument it’s just.. i dont think its right to put advertisements in a page for shit i paid to use, and they should be making new shit that people actually want instead of reducing benefits and manufacturing a difference between ranks

[sly light]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[cyan mango]

I do kinda agree

[wild pine]

i remember before they added this i was like
"well at least they didn't add onmap ads this patch 😌"

https://tenor.com/view/freezy-monkey-gif-9475763603334639376

[lean hare]

I called it... sadly

[spice flare]

can we blame eternal for this

[glacial badger]

wynnshittification

[simple wraith]

Boiii ts meme so tuff

[torpid ingot]

I mean yea, I was just theorizing on the specific reasons it was done this way

[remote tundra]

Thx for sharing

[simple wraith]

You are welcome

[jaunty sparrow]

filter evasion?

[remote tundra]

pack it up bud 😂 !

[simple wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/sybua-sybau-meme-you-sybau-shut-yo-b-shut-it-gif-18017520800497385980

[jaunty sparrow]

@mods

[storm ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-syaos-british-english-ts-pmo-gif-18322740700124619850

[glacial badger]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-syaos-british-english-ts-pmo-gif-18322740700124619850

[cyan mango]

I still think everything that was changed about monetization recently has been just shameful
They were VERY misleading about share prices
-Said they'd go down in value and be "a bit more than $1 each"
-Said all current shares would be multiplied by 5 to compensate, citing that shares were becoming 5x less valuable
-Shares ended up being $1.50USD each
-all things worth just 1 share before went up to 6 shares instead of 5
-shares have depreciated 6x instead of 5x like we were told, so that was just an outright lie
-all we've gotten on this since (to my knowledge) is a promise to be more clear going forward, which is a start at least
screw it this deserves to be its own post, I don't think I've seen many people talk about this yet

[steel crescent]

They’re like $1.20 - $1.11 each for me depending on the pack

[honest sigil]

making shares worth more emeralds is just an incentive for players to purchase shares so it makes sense

[cyan mango]

I've seen a screenshot of 10 for 15USD

I still have no idea what got into them that they decided that they needed to just dump blatant p2w into the game
I get they needed more money to support the server but SERIOUSLY? this scale of p2w so fast?

[sly zealot]

my country has big VAT tax

[cyan mango]

that may be the issue then

[sly zealot]

anyway, the only actually p2w feature I know of is AP loaning... because it allows you to reach builds that do like 30% more damage than people without AP loaning can achieve

[viscid marsh]

We need an LDShop for wynn

[cyan mango]

lr tokens (and to a much lesser extend raid tokens) are also p2w still

[sly zealot]

anyway these things have been through discussions enough, this discussion won't change anything

they got the feedback, they'll make decisions based on the feedbacks and their goals

[cyan mango]

yeah
-# still really don't like it

[sly zealot]

nah, lr token is not as bad, the problem is that its stackable

+1 reroll per lootrun for 1 share would be like.. whatever man

[cyan mango]

that's the main issue yeah
was teetering the line just existing
overstepping by being stackable
was overstepping to a comical degree being able to stack up to 7 under the right conditions

[sly zealot]

chest loot bomb (before they nerfed it, but still) is somehow a bigger problem btw

[lean hare]

Agreed

[sleek inlet]

bumping this message in particular

[sleek inlet]

Level scale pure my beloved

[lean hare]

Only 1.20$ per share for me but its still a lie in my eyes

Basically your paying the price of 6 shares but only getting 5

[sleek inlet]

Yep

This update has been very predatory. Most of CT didn't know it was coming either

[torpid ingot]

I've seen varied accounts from CT on this, some say it was well known for a while, others say they had no clue

[lean hare]

Well If anyone can list every single change (I can find the details myself) and break.down every single dark patern and scummy tactic to my knowledge

[sly zealot]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1403926242771730442

not full list, but works

but as you can see from my thread... don't go overboard with feedback, just say as it is, don't make it more negative than it is, otherwise people won't take it seriously

[lean hare]

Ok

[halcyon coyote]

Please delete these ugly advertising structures it kills the immersion

[sleek pond]

truth nuke thread

[stray drum]

Wynn started killing the immersion ever since lr camps came out now this shit looking like some bedrock server

[crude osprey]

SE lr is the only one that actively looks ridiculous, tbh. Just need to make it something within Lutho+use actual SE related entities around it, rather than outside in the toxic wastes with random dudes

[storm ravine]

See the difference is in america they lie to you and tax is calculated when you purchase and is not added into the original pricing

so anyone saying 1.20 per share is just getting tricked by this

[cyan mango]

In the US and just checked the website, it's $11.99USD before tax for 10 shares

it isn't 1.20/share, its like 1.19 and 9/10 of a cent per share!

[storm ravine]

i mean yeah at the end of the day it’s like 50 cents to 2.40 depending on state

actually some states have no sales tax so it’s anywhere from an additional 0 cents to 24 cents per share

[cyan mango]

50 cents would be like a 23% tax
a little on the higher end, at least for my state
most places it would be cheaper than that

[storm ravine]

not per share like total

actually i am unsure if local sales taxes apply to online purchases

[cyan mango]

my state has a like 4-5% digital sales tax and some regional sales taxes that can make it a tad more

[storm ravine]

idk where i lived in chicago it was like 6.25 + 4% from local tax

[sleek inlet]

"in america they lie to you" end of sentence right there

[sleek inlet]

[lean hare]

Nearly everything in America is a lie

The American dream is dead, free speach is mostly dead and soon to be censored, the protect the children is a lie to get more control or money and student debt is a means to trap people, privacy is dying as companies try to sell your info for cents.

[sleek inlet]

"free speech" I mean you can still say whatever you want no? That's the only one I can't think of actually being stopped. It's just that if your voice/message doesn't align with current capitalist goals it gets drowned out by literally everything else lol

[cyan mango]

tf you mean free speech is dying
UK maybe but not the US

[sleek pond]

EU US and AUS examples of forced age verification that likely leads to users being connected to their accounts

[cyan mango]

OK so this is breach of privacy which can make restricting free speech easier in the future but in itself doesn't in the US (yet at least)
UK has people sitting in prisons over social media posts, no way that can equate to the US

[simple wraith]

US also jails people for social media posts lmao

Whether you think thats good or bad but its not a unique problem

[cyan mango]

If you try to incite violence or advocate for terrorism

Not for those who went against the political grain

[simple wraith]

Lmfao

[cyan mango]

Ain't nobody getting arrested here for criticizing a school board

[sleek pond]

nobody is getting arrested anywhere for criticising a school board LOL

the point isnt that having the tamest opinion ever is going to land you in jail

the point is that tying people's online accounts to who they are means governments can punish those who criticise the government or people in power as a whole

[cyan mango]

yes, they have
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/29/parents-arrested-by-hertfordshire-police-for-complaining-about-daughters-school

[cyan mango]

I said that yeah
a breach a privacy in itself isn't a violation of free speech, but it does enable easier censorship
it's still bad

[sleek pond]

well maybe in the UK yeah actually LOL but the government there is already corrupt 🔥

[cyan mango]

I said the UK to begin with

[sleek pond]

my point was that free speech is already under attack (dying)

even suggesting laws like these is a sign of the times to come

we dont disagree, my point is just that dismissing it as a "UK problem" is pretty counterintuitive when every western government seems to have a desire to push these types of laws this year for some reason

[cyan mango]

In the US it is a constitutionally guaranteed right that every citizen is entitled to
trying to take away free speech would probably result in getting shot or impeached

-# or both

what I'm saying is that I'm much less confident that the issues in the US will grow to the scale they have in the UK

[sleek pond]

Godel's loophole

[cyan mango]

1s lemme google that

ok this isn't even solved

[sleek pond]

well he didnt say what it was

idk i remember hearing something about how it was possible for article 5 to rewrite other parts

either way i dont get american "muh rights"-isms because its pretty clear how easily rights can be limited lol

[cyan mango]

that's the article that says things can be changed if necessary
if any then ofc it's that one it's not even a question
constitution also has a line about overthrowing a government that overreaches even if it doesn't have any actual hard lining to it
1st and 2nd amendment on their own are also huge obstacles that a lot of people would not take kindly to having infringed

[sleek pond]

define necessary

[cyan mango]

anything that's changed with time that causes something that didn't exist before to be a problem
not even my point, I even admitted that if anything would allow free speech to be breached, then it would be article 5 that allowed the changes to facilitate that

[weak solar]

https://tenor.com/view/united-kingdom-united-kingdom-flag-flag-waving-gif-26877309

why is this even being talked about here

[cyan mango]

somebody tried to say the free speech issues were just as bad in both the UK and US and I called bs

[sleek pond]

not currently

but other governments say the Online "Safety" Act and want the same thing

[weak solar]

the first amendment makes it difficult to limit free speech in the us but those in power would absolutely love to

[cyan mango]

once again, breach of privacy is a different issue even if it can lead into easier restriction

[weak solar]

and will find loopholes

[sleek pond]

i think both sides want it lol

[cyan mango]

what are "both sides"?

[sleek pond]

left or right idgaf both sides likely just want the other to shut up

[weak solar]

im not saying this is specific to right now, its clear to me that most governments only care about staying in power rather than whatever morals they preach

[cyan mango]

ok yeah that checks out
there will always be extreme nutjobs that treat their political beliefs like a religion and want to silence the other, that's more or less a constant

[sleek pond]

i find it worse that they're using it under the guise of "protecting kids"

[cyan mango]

yeah 99% of the time "protecting the kids" is an empty excuse and nothing more
it appeals to emotion first and forefront, like its telling you you're a horrible person for not being against this

"Think of the children!" shut up

If you really wanted to protect your kid you'd watch them yourself

[subtle flicker]

wow share prices are 📈 huh

you love to see it

[cyan mango]

I had 2 shares, which was enough to get 4 weeks of silverbull sub and cover a festival
now I have 10, but I need 12 for the same effect
scammed

[subtle flicker]

owned

buy mine instead thanks

[dull shuttle]

i wouldnt even be surprised if they hit 1stx ngl

klarna mindset is real 😔

[merry solar]

after adding more important ways to use them and increasing their IRL prices, who could have seen that coming truly

[lean hare]

Social media platforms are burying non contravertail posts aka resonable takes through their algorithms as they get less encgagnment in turn making social media platforms.

Next people on the left are beggining to activly get censored along with games reguarding adult topics

[sleek inlet]

"for some reason" I can think of a few some reasons

[wild pine]

GIMME YOUR IDDDDDDD

[woven matrix]

I got threatened to be shot by trump because I criticized him on twitter what the hell do you mean that cant equate

[remote tundra]

how dare trump say that

[cyan mango]

Ha ha.

[steel crescent]

Well free speech doesnt extend to social media

[woven matrix]

straight up this admin is doing basically everything it can to erode our rights to put power in their pockets, it is verrrry much an ongoing process

[cyan mango]

What else is new

[steel crescent]

But lets say it did, you spoke out against trump and some guy made a death threat.
I don’t approve of that but at the end of the day you’re both expressing your free speech lol

[cyan mango]

And how does that contradict what I've said

[woven matrix]

well as another recent example,
theres been lots of protests against the admin's actions
so trump's abusing the national guard to shut down the protests and occupy DC under the guise of "stopping crime", and has indicated he wants to do so to other cities
that is in directment, the government persecuting people for what they say, which is supposed to be protected by the first amendment- which guarantees free speech

[steel crescent]

Yeah that one does suck

Government intervention on protests is just bad

[cyan mango]

I've not heard of protests in DC lately, what are they about specifically?

[steel crescent]

Basically

“Its illegal to be homeless”

Its as ridiculous as it sounds

[cyan mango]

Last I heard it just had a comically bad shoplifting problem

[woven matrix]

basically just protesting the admin. not big organized ones but persistent vigils and such

[cyan mango]

Who is this admin?

[woven matrix]

at absolute barest minimum the admin is encroaching on and removing various rights to accrue more power over the people and free speech is in their sights as something to attack as well

[steel crescent]

The trump administration

The people in charge

[woven matrix]

admin is short for administration, and it refers to who's in the white house calling the shots- so yeah, the trump administration, the admin

[cyan mango]

Oh short for administration

[steel crescent]

The admin minecraft story mode is taking over dc real

[cyan mango]

Nooooo romeo

This thread has gotten way off topic

[woven matrix]

yeah I was gonna say ik I was the one who brought the topic back up but I don't think the rapid approach of fascism is very relevant to the topic

[cyan mango]

tf

[glacial badger]

It is because salted IS DONALD trump

[wild pine]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-jumping-off-a-cliff-landing-in-water-gif-12494009273805900243

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-gif-11197698195735988955

[sleek inlet]

No no, it's very on topic, with Fruma and all

[glacial badger]

i cant wait for fruma to be behind a paywall requiring a subscription service to a wynncraft battlepass

[wild pine]

wynncraft battle pass, gain xp to unlock level groups, next one is 10-19!!, or you can pay to unlock them with 30 shares!!!!!!!!!!!!

[limber magnet]

Gacha pull banners to unlock the classes