Mid - Game tutorial

[craggy meadow]

Elemental exercise is such a good quest but I feel like there's so much that the average player doesn't learn outside of wynn.

Something on powder specials/how damage numbers work (doesn't have to be super technical). something where you can learn what does exploding do and so forth.

Giving it a good item most players would go for or a story quest would be cool

[teal yacht]

They should temporarily loan you an actually powerful weapon that you can go back and buy later

[ivory sentinel]

no powerful weapons are in the lvl 40's under

[teal yacht]

That way you can clearly see things like powder specials and other modifieds

[charred vale]

exploding is very straightforward now since its a chance on all main attacks so meh

[gloomy sedge]

it still isn't explained in the game

I think

[craggy meadow]

its not in the game and it isn't totally self explanatory

powder specials aren't really shown in the game outside of elemental exercise and its kinda alluded to in text that lots of people miss

[charred vale]

im like 90% sure powders are explained in the powder merchant houses

1s

[craggy meadow]

ah its in the powder ui

only for t4 powder and above

[charred vale]

i cant find the powder merchant thing i was thinking of 💔

there was like a book with info that you could read through in llevigar or something

[scarlet vine]

there used to be a book explaining powders in the powder shack in nivla before alekin was placed there, but now that book is gone :(

[charred vale]

probably what im thinking of

[scarlet vine]

there is a book in the troms powder master building iirc though
about powder specials iirc

[ivory sentinel]

maybe in the secret library

[scarlet vine]

that one has only lore books

[charred vale]

not in troms so presumably they were all removed

[craggy meadow]

tbh, a quest where you have to use a unique weapon to deal damage to a boss? its immune to other damage and such

[scarlet vine]

wtf... that's mean...

[scarlet vine]

taking the tower if it was good

[wet dagger]

true there should be a full guide on every game mechanic in a secret library in lutho

that would be so nice for new players

to get to the library you have to complete a challenge which involves demonstrating an understanding of each mechanic

[craggy meadow]

like even I don't know how enemy resistance is calculated, is it % based or?

[charred vale]

anyways not really possible since neutral damage cant just be negated like that

[scarlet vine]

I think an npc explaining some mechanics or identifications in the detlas barracks could be a cool idea, maybe utilize the second floor since that area is only used for AHC

[charred vale]

you can add overly high elemental defs for other elements but not neutral damage.

[craggy meadow]

has like 10m hp and takes increased damage

[scarlet vine]

ah yes, 10m hp early game
truly the underworld crypt of all time

[charred vale]

surely not unrealistic at all

[craggy meadow]

idk, I just want somewhere where these things are explained

[charred vale]

its like just thorns, reflection, and exploding i think

[craggy meadow]

attack speed

[charred vale]

everything else is straightforward

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you mean like which is slowest to which is fastest?

the id itself is incredibly straightforward

[craggy meadow]

it doesn't tell you how good attack speed bonuses are ingame

[charred vale]

what

[craggy meadow]

like 40% dps increase for melee

[charred vale]

it should be an explanation of what it does not a promotion of certain builds

🤷

[craggy meadow]

yeah but like.... idk

[wet dagger]

i feel like attack speed is very self explanatory

[gloomy sedge]

yeah attack speed is very straightforward, it's not like you need to show the exact stats

[craggy meadow]

true

[charred vale]

the only thing that isnt is the difference between very fast and super fast (which is faster) 🤷

[wet dagger]

the priority should be each mechanic being either explained or very self explanatory, not having their full detail explained

[gloomy sedge]

you can clearly see the difference if you put two weapons of different speeds side by side

[wet dagger]

as long as you understand that there are different tiers of attack speed its not hard to test the difference between them if you want to know that

[charred vale]

yeah

[craggy meadow]

idk maybe give 2 weapons with powder on it to test on a dummy and see how fast the powder charges (its the same)

[charred vale]

meh

[craggy meadow]

maybe join CT

[charred vale]

already have 🥱

[drifting sonnet]

I feel like Figuring stuff out for yourself is part of the wynncraft experience though

[formal garnet]

Bro you aint figuring half this shit out on your own

Unless your some nerd

[charred vale]

i agree, thats why id prefer it be limited to just a few ids which arent straightforward (ls/ms on attack speed, reflection/thorns, exploding)

everything else is self explanatory

[formal garnet]

Its just not but okay

[charred vale]

what ids arent

[craggy meadow]

even ms is kinda understood

[gloomy sedge]

you get attacked by mobs close to you

so when opening a chest, you'll loot it as fast as possible for them to not attack you while you're in it

so because of that, you'll never learn that mobs won't attack you when you are in a chest

[drifting sonnet]

yeah fair enough

[drifting sonnet]

you can figure this out on your own
might take a little bit though

[gloomy sedge]

could you please not reply with that to the message explaining why it's logically impossible to learn it by yourself

[charred vale]

maybe elemental defences as a whole too but thats touched on in elemental exercise so probably fine

[gloomy sedge]

[formal garnet]

I mean like how are you supposed to figure out the differences between raw spell melee %melee and spell and %damage and how they interact

[craggy meadow]

yeah its explained a bit

[formal garnet]

As a new player

[craggy meadow]

TRUE I forgot I was doing to talk about that

[formal garnet]

Like blind

[drifting sonnet]

like 99% of stuff you can learn by yourself by just playing the game though

[formal garnet]

Lil timmy isnt figuring this out

[charred vale]

higher numbers -> more damage, the entire damage formula doesnt need to be given to the player which is what you are looking for

id argue its actively worse to give the damage formula

[drifting sonnet]

although yes there could be a few more tutorials and stuff explaining stuff for idk stupid people ig

[formal garnet]

Didnt say give the whole formula its just unclear how they interact

[craggy meadow]

at least have it hidden somewhere

[gloomy sedge]

well tbh I understood the difference between raw and % by myself so

[formal garnet]

Sick dude 🥇🥇🥇

[craggy meadow]

I did too but a lot of people I find don't, they stick to a single pure % and don't realise its better to mix

[gloomy sedge]

I simply am the best

[gloomy sedge]

then that's a problem yeah

[formal garnet]

How is little timmy supposed to figure out when to prioritize % or raw

Different for classes to like mage and shit

[drifting sonnet]

but often its not better to mix 😆

[craggy meadow]

a lot of it being that if they struggle players simply ask to be carried or join a xp party until they're lvl 105

they don't have the whimsey or requirement to learn

[knotty schooner]

All of this shit should be told somewhere

[charred vale]

please reread what i said so you dont confuse yourself

[knotty schooner]

Oh

[charred vale]

explaining what ids and stuff do not using the explanation to advertise specific builds

[sacred lintel]

there should be a tutorial about IDs, specially those complicateds for new players such as exploding, Thorns/Reflection, HPr (raw and %), mana steal and LS, what about a detlas training camp related mision, they give you a weapon/armor just with each type of complicated ID, for example a exploding wand and set the objetive to kill 3 mobs by exploding nearby, thorns and reflection could also work with a weapon, set 2 types of dmg mobs, use weapon with thorns (KoH basically) or reflection depending of it, HPr could work with a helmet that allows you to breath in a cave but has negative hpr so you need to find a potion to heal, and that stuff

also this could give a weapon with exploding and LS/mana steal (earth/thunder/water) and an armor piece with Thorns, reflection and hpr raw/%, which is a really good reward for low level players (hpr and ls are more useful on earlygame)

[cunning plaza]

rip the powder special info on the llevigar powder master's enchantment table 🪦

it's gone for some reason but it was how i discovered powder specials, it was a book like npc

[wraith mulch]

id say how spell damage raw and spell damage % affect base dps weapons differently would be nice somewhere since thats pretty significant

when i first played i thought spell damage raw was literally just a flat dmg amount added onto my spell attacks so i assumed itd be insanely good on archer (this was pre spellbound but you get the point)

main attack raw and % are more or less intuitive in that sense cus they do actually work like that... barring attacks that are split up into multiple bits like shaman beams

and given that the difference between spell raw and % can actually be insanely detrimental on something like mage its worth actually explaining imo

[craggy meadow]

how do they even calculate, I though it added it to your dps number

[wraith mulch]

idk specifics, i just know that raw is better for stuff under i think like 500-600 base and % is better for above that

[sacred lintel]

honestly i couldn't find a way to implement this ingame, the best that could be made is dmg formulas page on the wiki

[wraith mulch]

i mean we have elemental exercise, it could be explained by the soldiers in there after the quest

even them just saying something like, mages find raw spell damage to be more effective than assassins or smth idk

[worldly bramble]

I mean u can’t rly explain that without going more technical and it wouldn’t rly fit the story of wynn

Cuz like why would a player in magical world want to know how is spell raw and spell % calculated with bae dps

[wraith mulch]

you dont really have to go technical, ig explaining base dps might be hard but you dont really need to use base dps as an explanation, just the knowledge that certain classes deal more or less damage

[sacred lintel]

the problem is that if you explain that just that simple, players would get the wrong idea, a lot of friends believed that % spell also worked with raw spell and they used a mix of those 2 in a mage having lower dps, also a lot of ppl believe that base dps can be increased with raw

[wraith mulch]

well they already get the wrong idea now

i think having at least a guide on which to use on what class is good enough

[sacred lintel]

yes, i agree, but is far more effective to have that info in wiki

all the formulas should be on wiki, or at least the important ones

[wraith mulch]

least enjoyable thing is to look at a formula, id just prefer a rule of thumb really

[sacred lintel]

is not always applicable, for example, while %spell is far more effective in a lot of cases with shamman, there are a lot of exceptions, especially on lategame

meaning that if you give a general rule, you will likely have players that at endgame have less decent builds or don't know why they aren't doing much dmg

also having on the wiki is easier for non-english speakers, you can traslate and understand better with formulas

[wraith mulch]

and at that point i feel like they could put in the effort to look deeper into things, i was moreso thinking about clarity in earlygame

[sacred lintel]

also another issue is that while thorns/reflection utility can be seen ingame and is always noticeable, the type of dmg is not very noticeable until you get a full build, individually an item doesn't tell too much in terms of dmg output

but in terms like thorns/reflection, explotion or steals, its really easier to understand how do they work and what impact could it have to integrate them into a build

[zinc rover]

Orrrrr we could have both!

hsb has a npc that tells you the exact formula for damage

[drifting sonnet]

yeah and nobody has ever read all that

[zinc rover]

Noob alert

[craggy meadow]

that feels like too much, especially since it'll take you out of the experience

feels better as a funny book hidden in the world

[cunning plaza]

there used to be a powder special tutorial npc in the llevigar powder master's shop but it got removed lol

[craggy meadow]

scroll up

[cunning plaza]

i just woke up i have sleepyness dementia