#The major flaw of the ironman mode

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white hull
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Hello! I've been mostly playing ironman the last year on Wynncraft, and I have to say, the gamemode is a lot of fun, I like it a 100x more than normal mode, but it has a major problem. The mode is designed for playing solo, which is completely fine, until you start doing raids. Raids are made for a group of 4 people, with usually the team composition of a tank, a healer and some sort of dps. However, if you're playing on an ironman class, you don't get any of your teammates healing or other buffs. This means that you can't really play anything other than healer or tank, because you will instantly get one shot by the raid boss. This makes ironman archer and assassin effectively useless in high level raids, because you have to build some sort of defense if you want to survive, but then you won't deal damage, what would be the whole point of those classes. So what I would recommend, is to allow ironman players to receive buffs and healing from other players only in this part of the game, which is ultimately designed to never be played alone. In my opinion this wouldn't really change the point of the gamemode, because you would still have to get your gear and complete all the quests alone, but it would make the ironman experience a lot more versatile, fun and accessable for players. Thank you for reading all this!😀

dim apex
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ironman btw

modern crow
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Idk it kind of makes sense but it also doesn't make sense

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If any ironman changes r made i would like one way item transferring to a normal profile fr

earnest token
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i believe this has been discussed previously but i don't recall if there was a final decision on it

white hull
modern crow
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I also renember smth like this being talked about a while ago so it prob js got buried
I think u are exaggerating how important team buffs are to surviving but I wouldn't be against letting ironman classes getting team buffs

earnest token
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the central case is kind of between whether ironman should be as purist as it's been where you have to be fully capable of surviving yourself and need to plan to run in a good time as part of the ironman experience™

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or whether ironman should be a little more casual in raiding where you can benefit from your team because it is, after all, expressly a team situation

white hull
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My main problem is, that you can't even enter alone to raids, because it's forced to be played in a team, but once you're inside, you're supposed to survive alone. It just doesn't make sense in my opinion.

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If it was made possible to enter alone, and complete it, I would totally agree with not receiving the buffs. But the way it is now, I think it's the only way to be.

pseudo yarrow
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In my opinion, adding the healing/buffs in raids would make it a bit too casual. Even though the recieved buffs are minor, the healing would be too good. Nevertheless, buffs alone should not able to be be given by teammates. This would remove a last bit of challenge for the ironman gamemode, since getting gear has become much easier upon the addition of the lootrun camps. Therefore, preparing a good build and actually learning the boss attacks in order to play more offensively is actually healthier for both the game and your own enjoyment by making it more of the challenge that it is supposed to be

river yoke
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maybe you can split it: ultimate Ironman never gets buffs, while just Ironman can get buffs in raids

white hull
# pseudo yarrow In my opinion, adding the healing/buffs in raids would make it a bit too casual....

I totally understand what you are saying, and I agree with the game being easy, but I don't think making raids harder is the way to fix that. Raids are forced to be played in teams, and it just doesn't make sense to not get the team buffs there. However, I would love to see other challenging late game content, that COULD be played in teams, but wouldn't be forced, so there would be a real challenge for ironman players.

modern crow
river yoke
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just Ironman is already pretty relaxed

pseudo yarrow
river yoke
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getting to use character bank alr makes it not quite “Ironman”

pseudo yarrow
modern crow
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This is the qay fr

river yoke
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Ultimate Ironman shouldn’t get buffs, cause it’s “Ultimate” Ironman

pseudo yarrow
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Ah no I disagree, that would make it a bit too relaxed in my opinion

barren rampart
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I'd just remove this functionality if I could, but if it has to stay, I think "gamemode blocks you from getting buffs from your party" should be a hardcore thing more than an ironman thing

pseudo yarrow
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If you decide to split it acoording to the two gamemodes

pseudo yarrow
barren rampart
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also yeah ultimate ironman maybe too

pseudo yarrow
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At the moment

barren rampart
river yoke
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imo ultimate Ironman shouldn’t get buffs but I’m fine with Ironman getting buffs

modern crow
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True

barren rampart
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or it could be that this effect of the gamemode is just disabled in raids (if that's easier somehow?)

river yoke
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making any of them easier at this point is a bad idea imo because a lot of people have dedicated their time to completing a difficult challenge, and just making it easier is kinda really not cool

white hull
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This would be better than what we have now for sure

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I just don't know if we really should divide the two modes this much

river yoke
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you really shouldn’t make an ultimate challenge easier esp after so many people dedicate their time to it

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you’d anger a lot of people I think it’s better to keep ult Ironman as the og difficult challenge, while making the normal Ironman more casual to fit enjoyment

white hull
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Yeah I think you're right, I can't really think of a better solution rn that wouldn't fuck up anything

willow jackal
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For some reason its still treated the same as ironman

earnest token
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i am unaware of any connection of hunted to the topic of whether ironman should be able to receive positive effects from teammates in raids

willow jackal
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Because Hunted is treated the exact same way, you cannot buff or recieve healing/buffs in team content

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Despite the mode not having any such restrictions in the description

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And doesn't make sense thematically

white hull
willow jackal
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Sure but its kinda implied

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Not to mention how inconsistent it is

white hull
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I'm just curious what's the dev team's reason of not changing it. Ironman and hunted both existed way before raids were released. Of course I don't know how they were play tested with these special game modes, but I really think that it should be at least reconsidered by the admins.

willow jackal
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Its just funny because to know any of this you need to check the wiki

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And there's a lot of gamemode quirks that aren't on the wiki

white hull
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Maybe you are right, but I don't understand what you're trying to say

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I've been playing since the 1.19 update, where the hardest thing was maybe the Legendary island or the Eye boss fight. Ironman mode existed back then, raids didn't. It was perfectly balanced, because there wasn't any content, that required more than 1 person to complete. Except like opening Bob's tomb and other things. But that's a whole other story

stray tide
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Dirty liar

modern crow
stray tide
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Thats @smoky loom

restive bronze
stray tide
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No issue

restive bronze
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Unless you are either basically godlike at the game , or you are playing supports , you are essentially gonna suffer....

earnest token
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you do not need to ping me on this i don't really care about ironman personally

restive bronze
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-# I just arrived...

tame oracle
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Wait btw can you receive emeralds from the guild in ironman?

restive bronze
tame oracle
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Funny

restive bronze
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Kinda pointless doe...

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Since in ironman you almost never use emeralds unironicly...

tame oracle
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Idk seems very op for huic/huich to buy ings rly fast

restive bronze
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World events give enoughlike

outer rose
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in general gamemodes have just been kind of neglected for a little while

uneven merlin
river yoke
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now that Ironman and ult Ironman are already separate, what is your opinion on keeping ult Ironman the old challenge, while making base Ironman more casual

I feel like if any of the gamemodes were to be made easier some people would be mad and now that Ironman and ult Ironman are already separate I think it’s a good way to keep casual yet challenging apart from just hardcore challenge

uneven merlin
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nah keep both get heals ngl

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since raid is teamplay content

river yoke
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yeah but ironman kind of implies that your own your own

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I guess it’s your opinion on which takes priority, but an ultimate ironman game mode should be as solo as possible imo

reef shell
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+1 skyblock

whole locust
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Coop ironman when btw

restive bronze
reef shell
river yoke
outer rose
restive bronze
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...i am is dum...

outer rose
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ok sorry that was pointlessly harsh

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but you really dont need tm for things other than like bs rng items

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and even those arent too bad to get most of the time unless you get extremely unlucky

river yoke
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hardcore can /kill?

outer rose
outer rose
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they also dont die in raids 💀

river yoke
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I guess it makes sense for soft locks

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don’t die in raids 😭 what

outer rose
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theres like basically nothing left to die to on a hardcore its such a clown show

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at least as long as u dont like plank to qira or panic zealot but i mean cmon

river yoke
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I hate qira so much…

outer rose
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it was so cool seeing hcs with alot of raids when it actually meant something

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now u can just run it down on etw in tna llol

river yoke
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new 2.5m hp qira now with cobweb + 8000000 spiders !!!

reef shell
river yoke
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I don’t see any reason you can’t…

outer rose
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new lr is alot easier too since you dont need to grind professions to make your own lq gear

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u can just make whatever rainbow slap godawful build and just take a few extra boons

river yoke
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soulpoints located

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wasn’t sp removal +1 inventory slot

outer rose
willow jackal
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Unlocked ingredient pouch is what i play ironman for

outer rose
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xddd

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yea never happening ik

willow jackal
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Linny do you think Hunted should get its coop restrictions lifted

kindred temple
outer rose
willow jackal
outer rose
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i think it should be allowed in party but i thought it already was

willow jackal
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Disable it if youre tagged

willow jackal
outer rose
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yknow that’s fair but istg i remember being able to heal people when we were both in hunted and partied

willow jackal
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iirc there are some buffs that work if youre both on hunted

outer rose
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yea it’s a bit odd

willow jackal
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Its confusing

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Its just a pain to make a hunted character and never be allowed to do endgame content for the same reason ironman cant

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When its not really related to hunted as an idea

outer rose
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yea

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well the other reason it’s hard to play permahunted at endgame is because you’re a walking loot box

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die to anything including non players? lol you just dropped your shit

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complete a raid and someone’s waiting to instakill you? lol you just dropped your shit

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but mostly just dying to mobs and losing stuff is annoying

willow jackal
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true but thats the fun part

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raids should be safe zones tho

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not the raid itself, but the entrance and reward rooms should be non-huntable

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like dungeons entrances

outer rose
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ye

restive bronze
grizzled idol
outer rose
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everyone does; the only way to make them safe zones without devtime is to make them into towns. which means people respawn there. gg

grizzled idol
pliant monolith