Why don't you fix the TNA exploits instead of banning/warning ?

[gaunt wolf]

Genuine question tbh, this explits have been in the game for years.

[gilded radish]

Not a single TNA exploit gets you banned

[gusty magnet]

I thought void matter dupe did at one point

[hexed wigeon]

They do

[manic moat]

Some dumbass is gonna come in here and say “dev time” or some bullshit

[ivory nest]

if you're aware of any TNA (or other raid) exploits please message me in DMs with reproduction steps

[gritty token]

https://tenor.com/view/fed-spotted-goku-son-goku-meme-gif-13306343723370401392

[ivory nest]

i will not ban you (i literally cannot i dont have the perms)

[manic moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vibing-paw-finger-dancing-gif-27335594

[ivory nest]

if you want em fixed report em to me or via the bug report form or don't complain

[gilded radish]

Noobody want them fixe,d

[ivory nest]

then why, pray tell, does this feedback post exist

[gilded radish]

Rhetorical question remove the ban part

[ivory nest]

what

[vague glen]

@wheat spoke bimbosaurus what is they waffling about

[manic moat]

Hey lovely

[gaunt wolf]

cap

[vague glen]

Hi breasti

[gaunt wolf]

someone sent me this

[manic moat]

Are we best pals

[vague glen]

Hi breaatie

[rigid wave]

can you free the pandas if edns on cotl

[gaunt wolf]

i dont really believe yall dont know about them im ngl

[ivory nest]

I'm being so fr I don't lol

[gilded radish]

There is no way???

[rigid wave]

can we bring back berry exploits i miss them

[gaunt wolf]

no offense bro but that shows me some of yall dont play enough

[rigid wave]

and i really miss chaining berries :(

[gilded radish]

Thats crazy i played like 5 pfinders when i started playing this game and every single one had 2 ppl doing this, gg shit game

[gaunt wolf]

same

[wheat spoke]

LMFAO?

[manic moat]

Hypixel skyblock strategies

[wheat spoke]

This is actually wild

Infinite power trip

[gilded radish]

Can we ping moderators for an official ruling on the matter

[manic moat]

Do moderators not tell ct about bugs that are being abused?

[wheat spoke]

Why even play the mf game anymore they are gonna randomly decide that some tech that's been used for years is now bannable 😭

[high ore]

real godseeker? wtf!!

[wheat spoke]

Mods dont give a single shit there is no point

[ivory nest]

I pretty much only play for fun in premades and the occasional pfinder run

[wheat spoke]

Half will not care the other half will power trip and punish anyone who does anything remotely unintended

[ivory nest]

either way if you would be so kind as to furnish me with details I'll be happy to fix them

[rigid wave]

this bro does festival minigames so bros getting a pass from me

[gilded radish]

No CT that actually plays the game would fix these issues becausr they're fun to play with

[wheat spoke]

I mean why not tell ts guy if they are gonna start punishing for it lmfao

imbeciles

[rigid wave]

btb bb...

[wheat spoke]

<@&268142859327242242> Can you mfs start warning for people walling the worm in notg if this shit is now unallowed this is actually ridiculous 😭

Notg mains can eat shit

[gilded radish]

Fr this is nonsense

[gusty magnet]

if I run into any tna bugs i'll msg you with em

[rigid wave]

bro you dont even need a guard to really wall the thing

it just gets stucks on edges when it feels like it...

[indigo mist]

we should all collectively post ourselves and get warned for abusing the exploit

like those self immolation protests

[wild crag]

my bad guys the worm got stuck for a sec- you have been banned

[wheat spoke]

Whether or not it got stuck there due to someone luring it doesnt matter its still unintended for you to be able to kill the boss while being in no danger, and apparently now all unintended mechanics in raids are punishable

And i hate notg so making ppl stop walling is funny

[manic moat]

I think what prolly happens is moderators just warn someone for abusing and then just dont tell the ct that the ran into an exploit

[wild crag]

mods he is ragebaiting? its in the rules that its not allowed? please punish this person?

[wheat spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309994750606184552/1328483897461309601/straightjorkinit.gif

[wild crag]

pling

[ivory nest]

I solemnly swear that if you report an exploit to me I will forward it to nobody on the moderation team and remove the DM from my list after fixing it

[indigo mist]

oh really?

say on gobb

[ivory nest]

on gobb man

[narrow thunder]

You don't get banned for telling us about exploits, why would we punish you for helping us to fix bugs

[rigid wave]

Theres this 1 mild exploit i doubt it isnt patched after months

Atp im just accepting i pray to not misfire it

[hardy bone]

pay people to report the bugs
otherwise there's no incentive to report it

[rigid wave]

trust me its harmless

[narrow thunder]

secret to getting raid bugs fixed quickly-ish: dm sock them

[unique forum]

Otherwise accept getting warned/banned if you consistently abuse them

[rigid wave]

@wind blaze time

[hardy bone]

or just pull a hsb and legalize the exploits

[rigid wave]

Me when someone gets warned for tcc grapple parkour

[hardy bone]

since when hypixel tried to fix then the backlash was enough for them to revert it

[indigo mist]

mfw it requires archer so its actually a net negative time outcome

[rigid wave]

Not just archer it takes grappling hook, a horrible ability to dodge swing with

forced to run back or do some nutty moves

[narrow thunder]

this is just a call to make the room better not keep bugs in

[ancient jolt]

someone got banned for that
was not even warned before it, just straight up banned.

[narrow thunder]

because bugs by nature are unintuitive

[rigid wave]

Jesus didnt hear bout the ban portion

[indigo mist]

happened in gcom apparently

[unique forum]

We always appreciate receiving feedback about raid glitches and bugs, you won't be warned or banned by letting the team know it. However, abusing them can lead to punishments, very simple

[rigid wave]

only heard up to the warned img

[gilded radish]

Maybe spectate people flying through raids instead of pfinder rat reports more

[rigid wave]

Can you just do us a favor and check graids of high graiding guilds graid runs with chiefs

[hardy bone]

granted its well known that top hsb players cheat
and nobody reports em

[indigo mist]

that would require moderators to log into wynn

[hardy bone]

theres a reason why m7 legit and m7 cheated is a thing

[indigo mist]

means to an end anyway

[gilded radish]

m7 cheated got a 1:1 parralel on ts game and the mods won't do nothinggg

[narrow thunder]

i don't know why people are bringing the cheating apologeia now

[unique forum]

That is not true, just letting you know

[indigo mist]

nobody gaf bout m7 cheats cuz money is made faster in the end

[indigo mist]

@trail heath

was it you that was banned the other day

[hardy bone]

General wisdom seems to be either enforce it or just
dont

[wild crag]

i apologize to mods for using the free tutorial exploit for 6 emeralds and a ragni tp scroll

[night gorge]

Mods ban him and leak his ip address

[wild crag]

who

i know someone who got warned for it, and then immediately did it again and got banned

[indigo mist]

mods are forced to level 1 class to 105 before having warn privileges

and 1 notg raid

[prisma hamlet]

Mods get 2 warning charges per week

1 ban per month

Silverbull store sells bombs that replenish this number

[mystic crater]

don't tell them about CGG

[prisma hamlet]

Normal gg has like 3 skips too

[mystic crater]

🥀

[wild crag]

nah bruh shadow will just make up a reason to ban me at that point

[gilded radish]

God forbid they forward the 5 second time saves to CT and move on

Mods yearly ban quota need to make the most of what they see from time to time

[mystic crater]

hoping that they don't award staff based on punishments, that'd directly lead to ban hungry mods 😭

i highly doubt their system runs like that

[indigo mist]

ask gcom lol

[gilded radish]

They sure as hell act like it does

Realistically it's quicker for CT to just move the matter rather than have them waste time warning people for saving 5 seconds a run

[indigo mist]

i mean just patch it if they dont want people doing it

[vague nimbus]

yea if a staff manager implemented something like that they must be DOGSHIT at managing staff

[indigo mist]

obviously that would make some people mad but warning them as well will make them even more

[gilded radish]

Some things take a while but this one in particular is genuinely just a small change 😭

[mystic crater]

😭

[vague nimbus]

i sure hope there was never someone named compend on staff management team on a minecraft server with a system like that!!!!!

[mystic crater]

when i came in I removed that system btw

[indigo mist]

crazy lore here

[acoustic junco]

wait did they fix despawns

[rigid wave]

Idk i havent ran tna enough to give a gurantee

[gaunt wolf]

i wont

i just cant believe yall, like there is no way yall dont know bout them

[gaunt wolf]

like maybe you dont know

but this shit been around for long ass time

[gaunt wolf]

also someone HAS to know if theres msgs like this

thats why i ask why not just fix them

[gaunt wolf]

because the warning is very specific

[gaunt wolf]

fr, like why warn or ban

or just leave it to people to play around with

[gaunt wolf]

bro ive quit and come back like 4 times and its still here

[lofty ruin]

just embrace the glitches like skyblock does it 🙏

[gilded radish]

Entirely because mods rather not report it to ban more people

[gaunt wolf]

so i just refuse to believe cts dont know about this or at least someone in managment

[gaunt wolf]

id be happy with that ngl

but if not just patch it and move on

[gilded radish]

The mods have to be gatekeeping these bugs if no CT ever in existence knows about them 😭

[gaunt wolf]

lmao they be tryna get sub 3min on tna fr

[gilded radish]

If all 5 second skip exploits are patched how will mods ban legit players.. think of the vision

[lofty ruin]

I don't think most people even know that skipping parkour in void hole collection is punishable

it's such a miniscule thing

[indigo mist]

mods havent got that far in the game yet

okay yeah this joke doesnt make sense in hindsight with the current discussion topic

[gilded radish]

Mods that actually play the game either report the exploit or don't ban you for it, someone very disconnected is sending out these warnings without ever running into the exploits befire

[gaunt wolf]

for real

[gilded radish]

It's either gatekeeping from CT so they can't fix or the mod literally isn't understanding what they're watching when someone is doing the skip

[gaunt wolf]

lmao idk bout that

but there something we missing cuz they definitely know

[flat star]

wait no way thats bannable lol?

legit everyone used to tree skip

they def do know about the exploit (they literally described how to do it in the warn lol)

[gilded radish]

If they saw the tree one they'd flip the heck out..

[rigid wave]

isnt that the other one, room3

[hexed wigeon]

why are mods warning for exploits and not passing them on ct that seems really stupid

[rigid wave]

fr

[ivory nest]

I dunno man

[opal charm]

If they don't they definitely should rofl

[ivory nest]

pass them on to me and I'll fix them lol

[flat star]

but genuinely how is that not known when it was perma done in pf even...

[gilded radish]

I think these moderators should be reported to the mod managers for not reporting bugs... There is clearly an agenda

[hexed wigeon]

i mean this tech was also deemed legal by a mod before so

[rigid wave]

not the first time we had mod conflicts

[hardy bone]

id dispute with a mod manager to get the warn removed

[flat star]

the funniest part of this exploit is trapping the guy inside the tree by depositing and forcing them to reocnnect

[prisma hamlet]

Its your fault

[snow cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776139325960093715/1306706731920785408/attachment.gif

[gilded radish]

The Chore of making a forum account and writing a detailed report

[flat star]

yea theres not much incentive to

[prisma hamlet]

Share them here and get muted

[flat star]

yep u either spend an eternity setting up a forums acc and reporting or u get banned/muted for telling a mod through other means

[rigid wave]

Or find a hotline to a mod having them in the guild and pray they send it

[hardy bone]

and people talk to each other, which makes people not want to report the bug

[gritty token]

Talk tuah

[hardy bone]

if you think you'll get banned for being a good person, why report it?

[gilded radish]

Also knowing just 1 person that got punished after reporting a bug even if it got reversed makes me never wanna care to go through reporting no matter what, rather just not use

[narrow thunder]

can you elaborate on what you mean by this, I'm super curious

[hardy bone]

basically if you do the right thing (report the bug) then get banned for using it (which you have to, because you've got to figure out how it works), it was a net negative to even report it

[narrow thunder]

can you produce any evidence of this happening?

like that shouldn't happen and to my knowledge just doesn't happen

[gaunt wolf]

Lmao idk what ma boy cooked here ngl

[gilded radish]

Na he right

[ivory nest]

if you report a bug and don't abuse it further you won't be banned chat

[gaunt wolf]

Bro i just gave you evdience of someone on management that knows

[narrow thunder]

oh sorry, i wasn't referring to you if that was unclear

[gaunt wolf]

All g bro

Is mb i read wrong

All im saying is

[ancient jolt]

i mean if this actually happens, i think this server's moderation would need to be redone from scratch

[hardy bone]

granted this is just my two cents on the issue, im not deep enough on the wynncraft lore

[gaunt wolf]

There is known cases of people getting warned and banned for exploits in tna, this means staff or some of them at least know about this exploits and how to do them

And that gives them the means to fix them

[nocturne mulch]

tbf i dont think most people are gonna use them if they are in a party with ct/mods

but yea its a bit odd that the warns are coming first and that ct seemingly dont know the bug? i havent read the thread so idk

[gaunt wolf]

So why instead of fixing a year old exploit yall warn and ban

[narrow thunder]

moderation has no means to fix them they don't have the power to change the game

[gaunt wolf]

Of course they dont but still

[narrow thunder]

and usually to my knowledge moderation reports things to ct to fix them

[gaunt wolf]

So wait

[narrow thunder]

until the bugs are fixed moderation doesn't really have any other powers than to tell people to not abuse the bugs and punish them if they do anyways

[gaunt wolf]

Bro i just dont buy that mods haven’t reported this bug

Like at least ONE has

Or not even mods players have most def reported this im sure of this even do i dont rlly have proof cuz aint no way

[ivory nest]

alright, here's what I'll do: I'll ping all our mods internally and ask them to let me know about any bugs they know about, and I'll try my best to fix them. If anyone wishes to report one, my DMs are open, and I swear that I won't report you to moderation for disclosing the issue

[hollow kite]

no bug reports on the forums have been made regarding it

[gilded radish]

The mod that issued the warning should be told to report it..

[hollow kite]

these bugs have been forwarded internally before we have warned for them too from what im seeing

[opal charm]

Something something dev time

[gilded radish]

this is entirely a build team thing surely 😭

[hexed wigeon]

i have been told that mods have deemed this exact same tech allowed previously

[gilded radish]

you switch 2 rooms in place and move the void matter collection area for the other pk

[hexed wigeon]

people wont make bug reports for things theyve been told is allowed to do

[gaunt wolf]

Listen, its not really about the bugs, i like them ngl its kinda fun in tna.

Its just that if yall not gonna fix it right now then dont warn

[opal charm]

Was mostly making a joke but if it's what I think it is yeah it's a build thing for sure

Altho who's to say if there's any builders not on Fruma rn

[gaunt wolf]

There we go

[nocturne mulch]

crazy take

[ivory nest]

then why is the title of your thread "why don't you fix the TNA exploits"

[nocturne mulch]

"ur allowed to dupe whilst its not patched" type shit

[gaunt wolf]

Lmao i mean is the truth if yall no gonna fix it let us have fun type shit

[gilded radish]

recreating a room to fit in a different orientation probably wouldn't take that long anyway, and the other one is just moving the little room anywhere othe than where it is

[indigo mist]

difference between duping and raid time saves

[gaunt wolf]

Or just patch it

[nocturne mulch]

yea im exaggerating

[gilded radish]

Mods can measure the consequence between letting people save 5 seconds on a raid and ruining the economy

[opal charm]

Probably a low prio thing then

[gaunt wolf]

Well because if seems unfair to ban players using year old exploits imo

[indigo mist]

but it kinda makes out the bug more severe than it actually is

[gaunt wolf]

That diffrent

[indigo mist]

i digress albeit

[nocturne mulch]

ig

[gaunt wolf]

Like duping fucks everyone up

[nocturne mulch]

i do think its kinda crazy its not patched, and it should really be patched by now

[gaunt wolf]

Saving 30 s on a raid dosnt fuck anyone

[opal charm]

Yeah if we are warning/banning for that bug, if it's the one I have in mind, that's honestly fucked up

[flat star]

craziest statement ever??? ur literally comparing murder to jaywalking

ppl should instantly be imprisoned for life bc they saved 5s jaywalking instead of going to the crosswalk

[opal charm]

This part in peculiar is what confuses me here. Supposedly one mod saying it's fine and the other supposedly handing warns/bans

Make it consistent mod team pls

[nocturne mulch]

ig now its warnable, but if it is it should be a high priority fix

[indigo mist]

personally i think mods should be required to put their username handles in warn messages

[nocturne mulch]

as soon as something is able to be warned on it should be a prio imo

[opal charm]

That's reasonable

[gilded radish]

tcc skip bannable when it's at least months out from being considered for a fix 🤤

[flat star]

true like they did with -hpr altruism 👍

[ivory nest]

which one is tcc skip

[flat star]

wait till ur banned for using ice pick nol🥀

[gilded radish]

grapple parkour

[gilded radish]

what's that i am not the nol technician

[flat star]

legit just speed trinket

[hexed wigeon]

Banned for spreading abusable bugs

[gilded radish]

the humble 0 second time save

[flat star]

ur gonna get banned after using 8jh to skip half the parkour

[gilded radish]

They better not ban my boy on his 35 jump height build

[nocturne mulch]

theres ice on the arena in nol so u can get free speed 1

[gilded radish]

oh lol that's cool

[hexed wigeon]

Doesn't ice make it speed 4 or something silly

[nocturne mulch]

wait what

[hexed wigeon]

Yeah

[flat star]

hopefully they just explicitly allow tcc skip

[west mica]

How is wall an exploit

[gaunt wolf]

HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE

[west mica]

You just vigor check the boss

[flat star]

nah u dont get hit how is it a vigor check lol

[vague glen]

The builder who made the nol arena kept the ones on the wall in when they removed the floor ones so sjreky it's fine!!!

[gaunt wolf]

W fucking tc

[wheat spoke]

not any less of an exploit than any of the other shit lol

[gaunt wolf]

Thats what i call serve the community

[west mica]

Ohh you mean when it gets stuck, yea that makes sense

[gilded radish]

you become invincible 😭 that has gotten people banned in other forms before

[vague glen]

This being warnabe and bannabe is crazy tho lo

[flat star]

cantw ait for ppl to start using stasis cube

[gaunt wolf]

So yo could call it a mechanic instead of an explit

[vague glen]

It's been in the raid for so long I thought surelt it was known :323333

Like its the first thing I thought of doing when I first used shaman in tna

[gilded radish]

never tried using it but wouldn't it let you still get hit by outgoing attacks anyways

[flat star]

idek

[vague glen]

Typing on mobile is so cheeks holy moly

[flat star]

air shout + ophanim users rise up

[wheat spoke]

The problem is that they fucking decide on a whim whether something is okay or not

[hexed wigeon]

Reminder that someone got Banned for this

[wheat spoke]

Which i get that we can't expect consistent rulings from mods who are volunteers

[hexed wigeon]

Something explicitly cool by the CT

[wheat spoke]

but that doesnt make it any less shitty for people playing the game

[vague glen]

So rael breastie

[west mica]

I sure didn't

[copper sundial]

Thank God archer can't do it

[hexed wigeon]

Archer can't do anything bro

[nocturne mulch]

all seing panoplets and bolt mythic surely

[copper sundial]

It can uhh give stormy feet to everyone using air builds for even more ws!

[gaunt wolf]

And making a whole very specific warning text instead of just fixing

Kinda insane ngl

[pine shadow]

Think that was just smart wording to avoid persecution. The real point is to keep them and stop punishing players for using them

[narrow thunder]

again mods can't fix this

they physically do not have the power to

[pine shadow]

Mods can stop being the fun police maybe?

[copper sundial]

Yea idk mods should def just check with CT before even considering warns cuz as shown earlier it's seen as intended or cool for these techs by the ct and not really seen as an exploit

[pine shadow]

legit these bugs don't do any harm it's like using bugs in speedruns to save 2 seconds

[gaunt wolf]

Bro I understand, it was just confirmed mods have reported this explits tho in this thread

[pine shadow]

you're just gonna get players pissed at u if you get in trouble for stuff like this

[copper sundial]

And if it is an exploit it can be addressed by the CT to get a bandaid fix on it before potential warning and banning people

[gaunt wolf]

So theres some going on

[gaunt wolf]

Agree

[vague glen]

Mods should have consistent ruling and not change their mind on shit that has been ruled on before without making an announcement or smth

[copper sundial]

They should add rulings into the changelogs fr

[vague glen]

I don't even car that this specific glitch is warnable now or whatever it's just silly how inconsistent mod warnings and stuff are

[gaunt wolf]

Like if yall not gonn fix it then dont warn/ban !!! All im asking

[ivory nest]

gang, I'll look into this for the next patch.

[copper sundial]

gg now changelog will take an extra day so the skip can be fixed

[ivory nest]

nah I work fast

[gaunt wolf]

Aye bro no disrespect and all i fuk with you

[copper sundial]

Just make it like berry so u gotta right click or something 😭

[wind idol]

who let asthae mic up

[pine shadow]

Do not fix this shit bro. Just say it's an intended mechanic

Ain't that big of a deal. Let people save 5 seconds off their run if they have fun speedrunning

[gaunt wolf]

AGREE LMAO

[pine shadow]

Like it's generally shitty to get rid of small time skips that are harmless

[gilded radish]

Grapplskip 🤤

[vague glen]

Nah js make it a right click to get like berry

[pine shadow]

And it's even more shitty to warn/ban for them

[steep canopy]

there is one actually

[indigo mist]

did we ever find the exact moderator who banned @trail heath

[steep canopy]

it's not a bug though

[gaunt wolf]

Tbh i redacted this post wrong i like the bugs i just dont like getting puished for doing it 😎

[gaunt wolf]

This man is cooking

[patent furnace]

changelog in half an hour??

[wind idol]

i know atleast half of someone who got banned for that

[indigo mist]

it shall be a mystery methinks...

[gilded radish]

Yeah I just didn't believe at the start of the post they could possibly ban for these 🥀

[steep canopy]

btw grappling hook parkour skip is not allowed either in tcc

[gaunt wolf]

Bro i didnt believe it either

Litreally bugs that have been here since tna got reworked

[gilded radish]

they would allow grapple hook if it was any other class besides archer it's an agenda

[hexed wigeon]

Yeah even tho the CT left it in on purpose and thought it was fun

[pine shadow]

💀

[gaunt wolf]

Insane

[vague glen]

Ain nobway is this reel or fake

[steep canopy]

wynncraft honey trap 😎

[gaunt wolf]

Im getting a HUGE vibe its just a communication issue between teams in wynn

[pine shadow]

This games moderation is so incredibly chopped. Can y'all stop punishing people for saving 2 seconds per run 😭 this is how you make your player base hate you

[gaunt wolf]

Not only on this topic

[indigo mist]

idk about ct but mods definitely

[hexed wigeon]

#1392204536315252757 message

[opal adder]

hear me out, what if they added a ring of lava on the edge 🤯 🤯 🤯

[gilded radish]

ONLY for guild raid

[steep canopy]

allergic to speedrun

[opal adder]

They already have the map made perfectly in RoL1

[vague glen]

O I didn't see the images load on mobile common sock w

[flat star]

blink:

[copper sundial]

Ur supposed to bot walk the whole time ur not supposed to cast spells it saves time when u use movement spell

[west mica]

What is the purpose of grappling hook then...

[pine shadow]

RB

[copper sundial]

Bait people into using it to get banned

[gaunt wolf]

I think lot of them think more time on a raid + slower mob clear speed = more fun and challenging

[gilded radish]

find a singular veritcal parkour in the game that lets you use spells maybe you'll have a use for the hook then

nvm half moon island cave chest victory

[west mica]

Lava ring for graid would be fire

[indigo mist]

but thats unthematic just make it a bottomless pit instead

[flat star]

i cant wait for ppl to get banned bc they used olympic or had ws in parkour 🔥

[indigo mist]

where you just instantly die

[west mica]

Shrinking arena by way of increasing lava size references old notg 🔥

[opal adder]

I couldn't care less about what they do, just do something

[steep canopy]

I think golemus as a 3rd forced room would be peak design

[pine shadow]

boutta get banned for 36jh oly build

[hexed wigeon]

Loading into tcc with grappling hook specced should instantly ban you

[cerulean ingot]

This is like that dupe bounty which had mods saying its illegal to use mods (ui utils-meteor) to produce dupes

[flat star]

can we also do that with guardian in inventory

[pine shadow]

accidentally jumped in TCC and saw a flat world with village 🥀 am I gonna get banned

[gaunt wolf]

An morph

[hexed wigeon]

Yes

[gilded radish]

guardian in inventory within 500 blocks of a grind spot should get you blacklisted from the server

[cerulean ingot]

And acro. On the server.

[gaunt wolf]

I havent even lvld an assasin yet

[pine shadow]

Shadow is typing