Nerf healing potions

[prime spade]

and im not talking about being skilled

but also building your character, if you are not good at dodging, why building glassy instead of tank or healer?

[teal blaze]

Yeah I agree, but the reason that everyone builds damage and not health sustain is because they don't have to lmao

[next coral]

Well for certain builds like low EHP it is wise to go with Agility as most Agility/Air gear having Walk Speed bonuses for strafing the area, or go with Defense for natural Damage Reduction and high hp gears.

[crimson dune]

because I simply do not enjoy playing tanks and healers

[crimson dune]

true

[prime spade]

then learn how to use other mechanics like spell cycling, usage of LS (which is crap) or dodge efficiently

[carmine citrus]

this is why we need different difficulty settings for like raids and shit (with different rewards ofc)

[crimson dune]

dude again, I don't want to have to learn other techniques or become more proficient at the game, I just want to not die because my healing potion is on cooldown. That's really it.

[next coral]

Hey I am a paladin don't treat LS as shit 😠 , but yeah at one point you are better of to learn enemy patterns or try to adapt the playstyle. If all else feels off just to try a different approach

[carmine citrus]

also most meta builds aren't expensive anyways for the average player

[prime spade]

how would you not die without learning or changing your strategy?

[crimson dune]

good point

[crimson dune]

how expensive?

[prime spade]

like, if you are dying and don't wanna change anything you will keep dying

[carmine citrus]

depends on for what contenr

[crimson dune]

well I only have quest income, so I am very poor

[prime spade]

morph is really budget and offers quite a good support

is literally the set for new players

[carmine citrus]

ok but even if you just spend a few hours making money you'd have enough for most meta builds

maybe most is an exaggeration

[crimson dune]

true, but it sucks for anything except being the average joe, which I realize suits me well, but I've used morph for so many of my characters and I'm bored of it by now

[carmine citrus]

but like name a piece of content and I can tell you a cheap meta build

[crimson dune]

I don't have a few hours. I'm only able to log onto wynncraft infrequently, and when I do I'd like to do the parts of it that I enjoy

[carmine citrus]

what content do you enjoy?

[crimson dune]

quests

[carmine citrus]

ok then you don't need good builds for quests

[prime spade]

look for rainbow builds and items

[crimson dune]

that's my point

[prime spade]

rainbow are the most balanced builds in terms of survavility and dmg

not the best but suited for new players

[crimson dune]

I don't want nor do I need a great build, but I do still die sometimes during bossfights, so I do not want healing nerfed because on many occasions I have nearly died as it is

[prime spade]

medium-high eHP, good dmg, low spell cost in most cases and good movility

[crimson dune]

I'm aware of the benefits of rainbow builds

I have over 300 hours in characters that have only used rainbow builds

[carmine citrus]

it's getting nerfed not removed and if you're not willing to get an even decent build then yeah you're gonna struggle

[prime spade]

especially on endgame content

[crimson dune]

again, people are misunderstanding my arguement slightly. I am not absolutely against getting better builds, I just don't want to spend hours doing so. And I'm aware that the hypothetical change to potions is only nerfing them, but again, it's a precarious balance.

[prime spade]

you don't need hours, the game actually do give you those items if you do quests/caves

like i got to level 101 on my first character that way

[runic robin]

wynn is not punishing enough early game for poor building

[prime spade]

without TM (didn't existed)

[crimson dune]

true, and those are the items I use

[runic robin]

you don’t need a fantastic build but holy does it not prepare you for anything

[carmine citrus]

if anything they can just increase potion healing in quests lol since I do get some people play the game very casually and only do quests/story

[crimson dune]

yes. I think, if potions need a debuff, it should only apply while in raids or possibly while lootrunning

[prime spade]

not a big issue tbf, most new players doesn't have problem at quests, but rather raids (NoTG and NOL)

[carmine citrus]

apparently this guy does idk man

[prime spade]

yeah, is the first time i heard about that

[crimson dune]

I don't but I would if they debuff potions

[prime spade]

especially since old mobs (in most quests they use them) have old AI

[prime spade]

you would struggle in lategame where potion usage is more punishing for players than learning how to dodge/build

same reason why glass canon builds are so successful and glue builds too

[crimson dune]

I do struggle sometimes in late game.
It seems like you're assuming that I'm a new player, but I've been playing for over 4 years and I have 3 characters at level 100+, with 3 more approaching it

[prime spade]

yeah, and that's an issue, a lot of players like you do struggle and waste 30 pots on TNA/TCC/Annie because they don't know how to cycle as an acolyte or dodge, and in most cases they get reported because they "troll" their team mates bc they don't know team mechanics on raids, if you decide to do team content your type of player is the one who get the most ammount of reports/ignore

there are even people wanting to have higher cap of pots (50 or even a full stack) and thats not healthy

[runic robin]

yeah it’s cuz raids are much more difficult than quests ever are

[crimson dune]

hence why I don't usually do team content. I don't really enjoy raids anyway, but you do raise a good point.
Anyway, I'm gonna log off of discord now, because the time I'm spending on here is time not spent on wynncraft during this valuable window of free time I have

[runic robin]

this game does such a horrible job preparing you for anything

[carmine citrus]

I think another problem is that the difficulty gap between raids and everything else relevant is too big

[crimson dune]

not really

[carmine citrus]

yes really

[prime spade]

yes

[crimson dune]

well, let's justa gree to disagree

[runic robin]

genuine thornmail ashe levels of preparation

[carmine citrus]

no it's objectively true

[crimson dune]

anyway, I'm gonna go now. Thanks your your opinions, this was an interestign conversation.

[carmine citrus]

if you got 4 brand new level 105s to play tna their average comp time is gonna be like an hour (including fails)

[prime spade]

but yeah, one thing is being bad at a game (happens to me at shooters) and another thing is looking to be bad at a game, if you aren't looking to improve in a game, idk what to tell you

[runic robin]

judging from the absolute bullshit people do and the shit builds they have in their first raids have they will genuinely fail

[carmine citrus]

while the average good party will be 10+ times faster

[runic robin]

this game just rewards shit play too much

[carmine citrus]

actually 1 hour is generous

[prime spade]

every game ask you to keep improving, dificult raise the more you are playing, wynncraft doesn't do a good job at it and healing is a proof of it, is so unbalanced and lacks actual mechanics that allows healers or consumables to play a real role in the game

[runic robin]

you know what does have healers and consumables being important…

[carmine citrus]

they should just add smth like Skyblock slayers to the game

[runic robin]

maybe if they just made wars not shit and rewarding it would be a lot better for the game

[carmine citrus]

meh there's better things to work/improve on

[valid ravine]

wtf 2025 wynncraft nerf mana and heal pot

[prime spade]

Mana pots are fine since their rework

[next coral]

To be honest, most of the id stats are explained in either here, told by other reliable people or wiki gg (Even that's outdated) and not ingame,

Not only how life/mana steals work and newcomers will confuse their actual function, there also many but there are many different damage boosts that doesn't limited to:

• Damage %/Raw
• Main Attack Damage %/Raw (Was melee before)
• Spell Damage %/Raw
• Elemental damage %/Raw
• Elemental spell damage %/Raw
• Elemental melee damage %/Raw etc.

[valid ravine]

2026 wynncraft nerf etwfa pot fr

[next coral]

Making builds with varied stats for the prefered skill points kind of time consuming, knowing you have to combine pieces to negate the negative bonuses and make the most of it

[prime spade]

then you have rainbow items

[fathom sun]

Except practical applications were less than two and now are zero, there is no place for them to even exist

[prime spade]

they are intended to be initial mechanics, not endgame

[fathom sun]

Why do level 100 variants exist then

[prime spade]

because new players learn how to use them

[fathom sun]

No place to exist just like I said, these are not practical

[prime spade]

level 100 is not always endgame

especially for new players

[fathom sun]

It will never be practical for level 100 nor for levels 40 to 100

[prime spade]

is practical for those levels in certain situations, such as mana hungry archetypes, is not meant to be used on raids or LR (tho i use them when i get to the first chest)

and they are meant to be used up until you learn more mechanics that works better and allow for more skill expresion such as spell cycling

not to be abused for trivial usage

[fathom sun]

So It's a shitty item to help people ignore understanding how mana works

Nothing seems fine about it post rework at all

[next coral]

Morph is just jack of all trades and low tier endgame "build" since it's a set build and not much variety is known

[prime spade]

i never said ignore how mana works, don't hear what i didn't said

[prime spade]

morph is not the only endgame rainbow item, you have examples such as libra + vaward + LI combo for rainbow

[next coral]

Still less variety, but for full rqinbow one its jack of all trades which is it's main gimmick

[prime spade]

yeah thats the whole point of rainbow after 2.1

generalist builds are the ones that are the most new-player friendly

[slender dirge]

and they're also the most ass

[prime spade]

But effective for new-players

new players need time to adapt to the game, the best builds to allow that are rainbow

[queen escarp]

and those examples are unplayable bad

the only item support for rainbow is rainbow sanctuary

[prime spade]

they are viable and playable, not intended to get big numbers because they are meant for NEW PLAYERS

[slender dirge]

because it forces people to invest in def/agi where you otherwise wouldnt except for air mythics or guard/laby

[prime spade]

yes, because they are meant for NEW PLAYERS

[queen escarp]

air / mono fire items have such ungodly amounts of spell dmg on them... rainbow gets none

[prime spade]

NEW PLAYERS need to experiment a lot of new mechanics, rainbow items are the best builds to explore them with low investment, they aren't meant to be gamebreaking or allow for millions of dps, is like complain about morrowind not being the best weapon

those builds aren't meant to be used forever

[queen escarp]

new players shouldnt be expected to get mythics so why do rainbow mythics exist?

[next coral]

"None" is subjective

[prime spade]

because of variety

[queen escarp]

ur actually delusional if u think that stat spread is good for sacking 25-50sp into wfa (whilst being low str/dex)

[prime spade]

and rainbow mythics are cheap af, so you could still count them as the first mythic you could get easy

[next coral]

It's for rainbow not wfa.

[slender dirge]

why are the reqs uneven 😭

[prime spade]

just like mana potions, they aren't meant to be used on a daily basis for the experimented player, because the experimented player KNOWS more game mechanics and know which ones are good for them

[queen escarp]

do u not know how sp allocation works???

[prime spade]

is very common with new items to be rainbow but with a preference of certain stat, mostly hybrid builds takes advantage of that

[carmine citrus]

not for this item

this item is meant to be full rainbow

[next coral]

My dude I gave you a rainbow item piece that gives sp, not much compared to tri elemental build, but still better than none

[prime spade]

i never said anything different

[next coral]

CT were smoking

[prime spade]

don't read what i didn't wrote

[queen escarp]

BEST CASE scenario (fantasia 45reqs) ur sacrificing 25sp (10+5+10) sp into wfa when ur low str/dex and gain the most out of them..... (also most rainbow mythics are like 35-40req which makes the case even worse)

[carmine citrus]

where the fuck does that give sp

[queen escarp]

it literally gives no sp its effectively -25 minimum

[prime spade]

AGAIN, THEY ARE NEW PLAYERS

[next coral]

Spell damage, bruh it's hard to write on phone. My mistake

[queen escarp]

like sure the spell dmg is good but then u look at the item reqs... and u gain more dmg going less sd and building more str/dex xd

rainbow is so starved for sp it snot even funny

[carmine citrus]

^ ever since the rainbow nerfs its been bad

[next coral]

Yea but you can build both Str and dex either being starved for mana (Mana steal or regen) or squishy as hell.

Points wise they do need sp gear to wear them

[next coral]

Besides wfa is just a meme, at least str and dex can stack

[fleet mist]

Hey things i do for shattered roosts

my abso is finally now capable handling it without being knocked off

And the build doesnt pop off when i disco swap :D

[agile briar]

Or just give healers more party buffs so the healing is just flavor text

[next coral]

Mana regen buff

[patent python]

nerfing healing potions is good and fair for raiding and multiplayer content, but kinda kills like any singleplayer content unless youre playing lightbender/acolyte (the best healing you can get outside of that singleplayer is with old keepers ring 💀) thered really need to be a hpr buff before nerfing healing pots

[queen escarp]

Or just play archer (divzer/epoch are free sustain) or fallen (broken) or pala (+rally)

[copper heart]

Off your comments you dont seem very prepared

[queen scroll]

oh nvm then

i was against nerfing hp pots but now that you mention that there are 2 archer mythics and some warrior builds that can heal themselves, its completely ok

the other 7 archer mythics, battlemonk, arcanist and assassin as a whole arent important

[north cove]

assassin isnt important???!??

[upbeat hare]

assassin isn't important mfs when echo hasn't been removed yet

[true egret]

assassin isnt important

[near furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-your-honor-my-client-nuh-uh-gif-11334700374005151603

[true egret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/773108055558455296/1389698534768640030/image.png?ex=6866e29e&is=6865911e&hm=cb2dd04962ffc75af1e07b611f395967805837b4c7603540c62667ee8c07792c&

[near furnace]

yahya nodded in approval, his apprentice has finally become the master

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-sobbing-pain-goodbye-gif-8487568

[true egret]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-from-peak-fiction-dies-from-peak-fiction-gif-8241362855452869649

[near furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/water-writing-water-writing-gif-fire-writing-bro-is-onto-nothing-this-writing-sucks-gif-16029301679387297696

[slender dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/book-water-water-writing-water-book-his-writing-is-water-writing-gif-10086019317602352185

[delicate jetty]

All I’m going to say is that the most used archetype in the game is already lightbender by like a lot. Nerfing pots would just increase this already overused class by like a lot.

[queen escarp]

just buff emergency hpr slightly and if u have -hpr it doesnt drain u (immo low hp is miserable bc u perma drain)

[slender dirge]

Bro forgot about warp

[prime spade]

both pots and healing overall needs a nerf, specially base healing of acolyte and LB

[queen escarp]

warp players can suffer for a bit their weapon has remained meta for years

[slender dirge]

this would be a proposed buff to warp

[queen escarp]

i propose a nerf to warp by reducing its base

[queen scroll]

bad idea, a lot of items are specifically balanced around having to deal with -hpr

[queen escarp]

yea which u still have to deal with...

emergency healing gives u extra rawhpr

[queen scroll]

what the hell is emergency healing

[queen escarp]

if u have -rawhpr u still would drain when low

[queen scroll]

that would just be weird and gimmicky

[queen escarp]

thats literally how it works currently

[queen scroll]

it drains you constantly, not specificlaly when youre low

[queen escarp]

correct it ALWAYS drains u including when ur low

[slender dirge]

so what

[queen escarp]

emergency healing disproportionately affects items like immolation with massive -hpr% and 0hpr which if ur ever low u just drain to 1

[queen scroll]

you still havent answered this

[queen escarp]

i have

[queen scroll]

youve just said what happens when you have -hpr with it, youve not said what it actually is

[queen escarp]

a passive that all classes have?? like what do u want me to say lol

[slender dirge]

where is this documented and what does it do

[queen escarp]

best part is i dont even think its documented

[queen scroll]

what it actually does?

[queen escarp]

bad ragebait tutrtle but no documentation lol

[queen scroll]

mentions a mechanic
calls it undocumented
doesnt explain what it actually does
gets confused when somebody asks them
still doesnt explain
calls the person asking a ragebaiter

[queen scroll]

anyway now that you actually have explained, how would -hpr make your hp drain in combination with this if -hpr draining hp was removed? does it scale with hpr% or are you suggesting they specifically make it start draining you when emergency hpr kicks in?

[queen escarp]

i just think it should be completely removed

or if not make it so it doesnt give u it if u have -hpr% and 0 raw

[queen scroll]

so it does scale with hpr%?

[queen escarp]

ye

[queen scroll]

oh i see

oh yeah ive never noticed that before but with hpr cancel warp you start draining hp when you get low

[queen escarp]

when the emergency hpr kills u 🥀

[fathom sun]

emergency hpr is not a thing

[next coral]

Paladin Overheal:

[fathom sun]

How is that related

[next coral]

Not related but backup heals other than pots exist, though I never heard of "Emergency hpr" were a thing or even before that

[fathom sun]

It's made up by the 3% I guess

[slender dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387538681455312936/1387584904648200384/image_6.gif

[queen escarp]

That’s actually getting dragged so hard xd

May as well be ninja

[slender dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-ninjaishyper-low-taper-fade-massive-crazy-gif-13735679314385451792

[queen scroll]

i also thought that but then i tested ingame and it is a thing which exists

[cinder fiber]

low health your regen goes up

i can't remember the exact amounts but if you have low -hpr it does counter that at a specific percentage of health

[slender dirge]

I'd like a CT to weigh in on this

[undone sedge]

Im CT and i think healing potions should be removed from the game

[blazing raft]

it was implemented a long time ago to stop people from reaching 1 hp every time they afk'd in a town

[fleet mist]

Atp you should say very very long time ago

[grave robin]

wow if only there was another way of doing this that would actually prevent this from happening 100% of the time unlike the current system
-# please give health regen in towns and negate the effects of negative hpr while inside them

[blazing raft]

maybe u should reply to gms with that instead of item makers who agree w you

[grave robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071393285500829759/1319349280045006848/togif.gif

[blazing raft]

truf nuke

[reef plover]

Can u pass it along?