Rework Killstreak

[dusty elm]

Killstreak, the thunder powder special on armor, at first appears good, having a cap of 150% thunder damage, compared to 3 of the other elements' specials with a cap of 100%. However, it lasts for only about five seconds after killing a mob, but can be sustained by killing more mobs. This makes it only really useful in world events or parts of lootruns in which you have to kill mobs. It is almost useless against bosses, except for specific occasions when your attacks kill mobs spawning in the boss area while targeting the boss, or you have to run around the room killing mobs for a few seconds of damage boost when you could've contributed more consistent damage to the boss during that time. I think it would it be nice for Killstreak to become something along the lines of Combo and charge on critical hits, but should gain less damage per critical hit because it will charge very quickly otherwise.

[dark turret]

You forgot the part where each kill doesn't reset the timer

[jade tinsel]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1384097439543459970

[dusty elm]

Huh it doesn't?

Wiki is tweaking

[tribal shoal]

Cant wait for dodge/concentration 2.0!

[jade tinsel]

just to reiterate some of my points from the last time this exact suggestion was posted:

• Doesn't work for melee (thunder is a melee element)
• Way too archetype dependent (compare how easy it would be to max on bolt vs. like shade or something)
• Extremely boring and does nothing to change how you play, it would be just like concentration in the way that you get rewarded for doing something you were already going to be doing anyways (hitting the enemy repeatedly), which wouldn't really feel rewarding

[dark turret]

Go in game and get like, 1 kill at a time. It's pretty crap

[tribal shoal]

Armour powders should not be this free lol

[dusty elm]

Dodge:

[jade tinsel]

Concentration needs a complete rework way more than killstreak, dodge duration should be reduced alot (to like 5-10s or less)

[dusty elm]

Killstreak by far is the only one that isn't free

Also nerf Dodge such that it only charges on Agility dodges

[tribal shoal]

Yeah so they shouldnt change it to be free

[jade tinsel]

as opposed to rage, famous for being free

[dusty elm]

Dodge charges on you existing

[jade tinsel]

explain to me how that statement is relevant to what i said

[tribal shoal]

Rage is not free 💀

[jade tinsel]

sarcasm

[tribal shoal]

My fault og

[jade tinsel]

calling killstreak the only one that isn't free when rage is right there is crazy

[tribal shoal]

Yeah rage is definitely the best armor powder outta the bunch

[dusty elm]

Killstreak doesn't even exist 😭

With rage just build -ls or smth

or -hpr

[jade tinsel]

ok? doesn't change the fact that your proposed change is fucking shit

[tribal shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-gif-12554037691025205909

[jade tinsel]

im all for changing killstreak, your proposed change is just Concentration 2: Electric Boogaloo

[dusty elm]

Landing crits isn't as consistent as using mana

even with max dex you don't have 100% crit chance

[tribal shoal]

Dude nothing changes about your gameplay

[dusty elm]

So I still have to run around killing mobs to do more damage to the boss for 5 seconds?

[tribal shoal]

Its genuinely just passive damage

[tribal shoal]

No but your proposed solution is dogshit

[neon bridge]

implement this but make it a 1% chance per crit and make the scaling +100% damage per stack up to 20 stacks

then remove all thunder weapons except for Roulette

[dusty elm]

So how does nothing change about my playstyle?

[tribal shoal]

Gang what is changing

Your just fishing for crits

[jade tinsel]

you get rewarded for hitting the enemy repeatedly... something that you were already going to do anyways...

[dusty elm]

At least I don't have to lose long-term damage on the boss in order to charge it

[jade tinsel]

median voter behaviour istg

[tribal shoal]

Gang they can change it to be more applicable

Just not whatever the fuck this shit is

[neon bridge]

there is no gameplay for getting crits, they happen, so now this powder special is just passive damage for free

[jade tinsel]

also compare how easy this would be to stack on bolt vs. shade

i cast 1 arrow storm and im capped vs. lol

[dark turret]

If it's per crit, then that means it scales per enemy too btw

So it indirectly encourages the same gameplay that Kill streak had

or, is supposed to have

[jade tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-blow-me-dandelion-gif-15761849504718012929

[jade tinsel]

ok? that just makes it more archetype dependent since some classes aren't focused on AoE despite the fact that they could make use of killstreak just fine before

[dark turret]

Do you have a suggestion on how to make thunder armor powder fun and unique without it being Concentration 2.0 or are you just criticizing without giving any constructive counter arguments?

[tribal shoal]

I feel like saying killstreak shouldnt be concentration 2.0 is constructive

[jade tinsel]

you see, i don't need to give a proposal on how to fix Killstreak, i aknowledge that it isn't in the best state and that it could be better, but i also aknowledge that this proposed solution is fucking dogshit

also claiming that im "just criticizing without giving any constructive counter arguments" is kinda wild

[dusty elm]

Nerf Dodge and Conc btw

[dark turret]

sure, but if that's all you have to say, that doesn't merit an entire ass conversation or back and forth.

"Idea bad" is pretty much just a singular statement

[dark turret]

If all you got is crticism but no ideas to offer then 🤷‍♂️

[jade tinsel]

??? you do understand that I'm showing constructive counter arguments as for why this proposal is bad yes?

[dark turret]

I'm not saying you "have to" give ideas, I mean, you don't need to be a chef to recognize when food is burnt or undercooked

But for how passionate you seem to be about the subject I figured you'd have more to offer is all

[dark turret]

Not saying it's a bad thing, was just hoping you had ideas to contribute

[tribal shoal]

I mean they are defending their idea so

[dark turret]

I'm just saying I think the conversation would be better if people presented actual ideas instead of arguing back and forth on whether something is good or not, when both people clearly won't agree

like, I don't think anyone like kill streak right now

[tribal shoal]

Yeah and the proposed solution isnt any better

[jade tinsel]

Dodge -> Reduce the duration down to like 5s (instead of 60 💀)
Concentration -> idk man it just needs to be completely scrapped and redone
Killstreak -> Have it reset on kill, increase duration, have bossfights be more interesting, with more and diverse adds that are actually relevant and a threat/priority. At the end of the day the root issue with killstreak is that the current implementation of bosses is just a punching bag that you hit repeatedly for 1 minute, if there were more enemies to interact with (stuff like crystallized in NoL, adds that could for example buff the boss if not killed fast enough or weaken the boss when killed) then killstreak would be more relevant in even in boss fights

[tribal shoal]

I mean we aint the ct

Thats their job to decide

[dusty elm]

Yeah I agree the boss fights are kinda ahh

TNA is just running around 😭

NoTG is running around with the occasional spacebar press

TCC is uhh

better than the other 2

[dark turret]

We're still allowed to give suggestions too, it's not as if we're incapable of giving good ideas

[tribal shoal]

And people are allowed to criticize them

[dark turret]

Dodge and concentration, yeah.

Also, killstreak would have to get like a 30s duration or something to work properly in this way, no?

[dusty elm]

NoL is running around with more adds (the reason why it's hated a lot but better than TNA and NoTG imo)

[dark turret]

Right. But pure crticism without anythng in return just makes people sound like grumpy old men who complain about everything

[jade tinsel]

hmm true, could also for example pause the timer for ~3 seconds every time you hit the boss

[tribal shoal]

There is return tho

[jade tinsel]

so while you are actively fighing the boss and there are no adds around you can still keep the buff

[dark turret]

kill streak, but every time you land a hit pauses the timer would actually be good!

[tribal shoal]

Your highlighting systems that dont work and shouldnt be used in the future

[dark turret]

Make the kill timer 10s, but pause for 3s when you land a hit. You either play aggressive, or you don't keep your buff

[tribal shoal]

Thats good criticism

[dark turret]

I never said it wasn't. Just said it feels lackluster without contributing ideas

[tribal shoal]

Its not tho

Its perfectly fine

[dark turret]

And you are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine

[jade tinsel]

the pause should be only on bosses/mini bosses tbf

[dark turret]

Wouldn't that be way harder to code tho? A very specific powder special mechanic on only a few mobs?
Would be better/more consistent to make a universal mechanic no?

[tribal shoal]

Yeah ofc and sometimes peoples opinions can be wrong

[jade tinsel]

just give bosses/mini bosses an attribute that pauses killstreak timer when hit? doesn't seem that complex

on hit check if the mob has the attribute, if it does pause, else continue

similar checks are probably also run to check if the enemy that you hit should reward you with ls/ms

[dusty elm]

I mean most other mobs would already be dead

[dark turret]

Sure buddy

[dusty elm]

But yeah a pause is a good idea

[dark turret]

Fair enough but I still feel like players in general would prefer kill streak as a whole to be more consistent across the board instead of uniquely good against minibosses/raid bosses

[paper kelp]

simply streak more kills

[tribal shoal]

Am i wrong?

[jade tinsel]

no, your opinion cant be wrong

[dark turret]

That's the cool thing about opinions. They aren't wrong, they're subjective Idk why you're so determined to be an ass, but you do you man

[tribal shoal]

Thanks

[tribal shoal]

I mean i think i could come up with a lot of wrong opinions

I mean yours is a pretty good example

[raw gulch]

this seems constructive

[dark turret]

Again, dunno what your problem is, but you do you man

[tribal shoal]

It is

[tribal shoal]

Theres no problems man just making a statement

[tribal shoal]

I mean conc is kinda hard to changw

With it relating to spells

Prolly could come up with something but id rather just see it nerfed for now

[dusty elm]

So the consensus is to involve more mobs in boss fights that actually benefit the fight for all players when killed so that charging killstreak is indirectly encouraged?

[tribal shoal]

I mena

I also feel like adding minions could just harm a bossfight too

[jade tinsel]

no, im just arguing that boss fights could benefit from there being more to do than just hitting the big punching bag for 1 minute, 1 way to implement that is by having relevant adds that are either a threat or a priority (like nol crystallized), possibly buffing the boss if not killed fast enough or something

having adds that alter how you play bossfights is a staple in a lot of mmo's raids

[naive vortex]

kinda

rework killstreak but this is bad

[desert timber]

killstreak is good and it feels like all people want is another concentration/dodge type powder special

[naive vortex]

not in bosses

[desert timber]

so what

it’s meant to serve dps in rooms and it does that pretty well

of the current powder specials it’s definitely not ks that needs a rework

it’s concentration and dodge

dishing out free damage regardless of the situation is the real problem and ks shouldn’t be doing that

[lucid basalt]

Buff rage ngl

[hearty shuttle]

true

[obsidian lark]

300 -> 240 is insane

[paper kelp]

wasnt it 396 to to 240 lol

[obsidian lark]

it might be

[paper kelp]

it was 99 percent per piece since 100 percent rage is slightly hard to build

[hearty shuttle]

no

[hearty shuttle]

nah it was 300 since rage starts at 25%

[obsidian lark]

oh i was right

[hearty shuttle]

gma, Gaia, grimtrap, toxo are all so bad rn so like

[hearty surge]

alka is kinda eh

[obsidian lark]

ashock got shot the hardest since 2.1

[hearty surge]

only benefit to alka is that you can actually proc it yourself

[hearty shuttle]

much better than the other four lol

Alka is pretty good rn

[tribal shoal]

It isnt bad

[hearty surge]

yeah it isn’t bad

[tribal shoal]

You can team support with radiance too ig

[hearty surge]

it’s just eh

[obsidian lark]

no vertias

big mac stays winning gng 🥀

[tribal shoal]

Lowkey tho

Just use hero 🔥

[hearty surge]

tstack alka is just like ok. it is not super worth the risk though

spellkatraz just play hero atp it’s the same niche upperbash alka is fucking dead

rage vs humble dodge

[hearty shuttle]

it's good in some cases

also rage is like so ass for fallen it's kinda funny

[potent spade]

Why are people downvoting this

[hearty shuttle]

because it's just a lazy repost of a previous one

[hearty surge]

whats up BOY

[hearty shuttle]

also hi nic boy

[potent spade]

What's up Panda______________

[potent spade]

Its a good idea tho

[hearty shuttle]

he just copied some other guys post and made it a lot worse

[hearty surge]

im going to make variable sp post and make it a lot worse

[obsidian lark]

pfinder elo

[hearty surge]

pfinder elo should make the raid harder/easier to make sure you maintain a 50% win rate at all times

[obsidian lark]

what the dog doin

[jade tinsel]

win too many raids in a row and you get hit with the f students

[tribal shoal]

When am i gonna hit immortal pfinder

[hearty surge]

median voters in my raid 💔

[tribal shoal]

So the inventors?

[jade tinsel]

yeah undiscovered builds and trees

[hearty surge]

inventors of twa undiscovedred epoch

[tribal shoal]

I wanna raid with the future ceos

[jade tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613814947930963989/1387534016999063757/togif.gif

[obsidian lark]

undiscovered plant reference?

[tribal shoal]

Future blue builds ceos will be my parties ❤️‍🩹

[hearty surge]

aint that ur guild bro

full of blues build ceos

[tribal shoal]

Nah we the sug von builds ceos

[hearty surge]

captain america

[jade tinsel]

please drop the build i need it

[hearty surge]

3 days

[tribal shoal]

When black widow build for equality 😔

[obsidian lark]

lf ironman build (not the gamemode)

[hearty surge]

independence day present

[paper kelp]

immortal?

[tribal shoal]

Ys

[paper kelp]

are you sure?

[brave plinth]

what you know about lspine tstack bro

[tribal shoal]

Are you sure?

[paper kelp]

pretty sure

[tribal shoal]

Same

[hearty surge]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-omniman-invincible-meme-gif-14970603868221209304

[jade tinsel]

y'all not on my level till you cook up fast hybrid echo dash shuriken spam

[obsidian lark]

most interesting etw nirvana build

🥱

[jade tinsel]

it obviously uses oblivion stupid

[hearty surge]

i need ot get some motivation to like make a video

that is really whats holding me back

[hearty surge]

would be so lame to just release it no video after ive been engagement baiting with it for so long

[tribal shoal]

thread solved in 4 seconds

[desert timber]

who are you

[dark turret]

Is this weapon powder specials

I thought the thread was about armor

[tribal shoal]

Dude its a joke

[faint raft]

Also am I tripping or isn't Kill Streak capped at 200% ?

[hearty shuttle]

yes

[faint raft]

Okay I guess OP never tested anything before making feedback

[dusty elm]

I thought it was 150?

Or am i also tripping

[hearty shuttle]

description is 150 but it's actually 200

[dusty elm]

🤦

I mean the cap doesn't matter when it's actually needed

[hearty shuttle]

youre not playing it right then

[dusty elm]

So I run around and kill mob then I do more dmg to boss for 5s?

[hearty shuttle]

it's 10 seconds

also just run a6a6a6a6 dodge thrunda lol

[dusty elm]

fr?

what abt w6w6w6w6 conc

[dusty elm]

With the mob killing buff can I potentially outdo my hero build

[hearty shuttle]

thrunda can always out damage hero very easily (obv you have shit ws)

[dusty elm]

is it like the tesla build

tsanc

[hearty shuttle]

no it's any fucking build that isn't shit

[dusty elm]

I must be doing something wrong cuz my peak is ahh

ok dummy that is

[hearty shuttle]

send the builds ur using

[dusty elm]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=18#11_07F10L0PW0Qq0Iz0Iz0ON0UB0Qw0t2D0j05181g0000101Z6C0z0z0+0+0+0+0-1T2Y2Y2Z2Z2a2a401401401401401z+J-zor2
WynnBuilder build:

Caesura
Etiolation
Leictreach Makani
Slayer
Gloomstone
Gloomstone
Diamond Static Bracelet
Renda Langit
Thrundacrack [t6t6t6t6]
2 lazy for crafteds 🥱

Btw do you think hpr cancel with aquamarine is a good idea

[hearty shuttle]

no

just use some hpr ring

[dusty elm]

k

my ahh peaks 5 selvs 😭

[hearty shuttle]

thats fine

yolu are forgetting about air shout

[dusty elm]

My noncrafted mr hero peaks over 6

closer to 7 in fact

Ig tcrack will outdamage it easily with a bit of killstreak tho

[hearty shuttle]

lets see the build

[dusty elm]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=18#11_09V09-0jn0Qt0uP0uP0KI0UB0Qi1I1B02022C1g1007iU01007iU1007iU103tlU0z0z0+0+0+0+0-1T2Y2Y2Z2Z2a2a401401401401401z+xl7kYM0
WynnBuilder build:

Dune Storm
Conduit of Spirit
Sagittarius
Revenant
Photon
Photon
Vortex Bracer
Renda Langit
Hero [a6a6a6a6]
this thingy

[hearty shuttle]

...?

this shouldnt even come clsoe to thrunda dps

[dusty elm]

yeah idk why air is like that

[hearty shuttle]

fym i think you are just playing one of them wrong

either that or you are letting your hero get more air shout hits

[dusty elm]

WAIT HOLY SHIT I FIGURED OUT THE STRAT FOR TCRACK
Since uppercut scale with thunder damage i do 1upper1scream instead of 2 screams and get over 6 selvs easily

[tranquil relic]

whats a selv?

[dusty elm]

80k dps

[hearty shuttle]

thats unrelated also elemental conversions is like not that improtant

[dusty elm]

😦

what do you think a solution is then

[hearty shuttle]

get better at the game

[dark turret]

💀💀💀

[fast arrow]

Friendly reminder that kill streak is 200% and its usable in tna whatever people say

[hearty surge]

its only kind of usable

and only when ur teammates spawn the greater ones

or at later phases when it spawns the armless

it’s by no means unusable but it’s just bad in tna to be honest

[fast arrow]

Meh its good on sunstar cuz you can cl when mobs are halfway dead

Its better than rage ashock (wynnbuilder says ashock does more but wynnbuilder is straight up lying)

[dark turret]

If only kills reset the timer for kill streak...

[rose niche]

ks is really good now 200% t dmg 10sec is so op

[hearty shuttle]

erm idk about the really good part but it sure isnt terrible

[dusty elm]

My teammates are done killing the boss while I'm killing mobs to charge ks at all 😅

[zenith tree]

Please fucking add a sslow thunder spear so i can actually play insignia gaming

[dark turret]

you use Tenuto/Agave/Ataraxy/Momentum and LIKE IT

[fair flare]

no fucking way

[dark turret]

Yeah it's really bad

[fair flare]

its usable in all rooms except for the boss, where it would actually matter

[fast arrow]

its somewhat usable there

me and some friends have been doing some funny greater one stuff

[zenith tree]

Killstreaks cookin for world events

[coarse trail]

Didn't read the post and don't care but why is there a double space in the post title

[dusty elm]

Should I play Concentration, Dodge, or Killstreak tcrack

[fast arrow]

Kill streak cuz you have range

[hearty shuttle]

dodge if you're playing the high ws build killstreak otherwise

[hearty surge]

just go 1 dodge 3 killstreak

😄

[hearty shuttle]

sure that works too

[dusty elm]

So a6a6a6a6 if dodge?

[hearty shuttle]

yes