Please Don't Do Anything Else To Assassin. PLEASE!

[flat nest]

for raid meta
start of 2.1 meta weapons: (no i am not counting when everyone waws running 100k ehp at the start because no one knew what they were doing)
hero, warp, thrunda, laby, reso, trance kinda, fatal, abso, nirv, cata (with mana pots), lament, obli
meta mythics now:
hero, warp, thrunda, laby, reso, nirv, obli, lament -new- hadal, oly (kinda)

[ashen nymph]

If removing piro means assassin was gutted like a fish, gut that mf

[flat nest]

ok so we cut down the amount of usable mythics by half and then added one more archetype with 2 weapons lol

i love the diverse and changing meta

(ive probably missed a few but you get my point)

oh ig guard too

[willow coral]

I forgot about that

[flat nest]

although other weapons on pala work the same lol

[glad goblet]

Ohmygod

[willow coral]

I used to run battlemonk guard tho, that worked too

[barren ginkgo]

🤨

[glad goblet]

SIXTY NINE PREGNANT MEN

[daring sandal]

How much you wanna bet it gets nerfed before/with fruma

[barren ginkgo]

mono fire has great sd options

[flat nest]

nah i doubt guard gets nerfed but pala probably

[brave star]

YMCA

[barren ginkgo]

are that many ppl actually running hadal after the aco nerf?

[daring sandal]

Also didn't Hadal lowk fall off when they removed bleed from BS

[barren ginkgo]

prob talking about pbomb but thats only 400k dps idk

[daring sandal]

Wait did Trance really fall off that hard lmao

I predicted the reverted mID wouldn't help it but...

[signal wadi]

Surely the 15% reduction excused by future proofing the weapon was enough for them

[flat nest]

its become less popular but its still like better than most other weapon choices lmao

[willow coral]

@median lantern not all classes are made equal, and frankly, they don't need to be. No one wants Mage x5, or five slightly different versions of Warrior. But the main gripe about "meta not changing" is actually kind of valid because this entire time the main goal has revolved around "high damage, high mobility" and that hasn't changed since launch for a lot of the fights

[barren ginkgo]

it was already ass

[flat nest]

the meta is either high damage high mobility for tna/nol or high damage for tcc/notg lmao

[daring sandal]

Idk, after shatter got touched it was hard enough to run anyway

Still mad ab that ngl

[flat nest]

hadal is still good (in notg)

[willow coral]

Abso was always meta in Groot, and at this point TCC has trick shade so that's new, but I think other than that the biggest change I've seen to most raids is that assassin is never used anymore. Especially acrobat

[daring sandal]

Yeah but at least devit was pretty good, now you gotta charge that shit way up

[flat nest]

abso isnt meta in groot anymore except people who just wanna facetank everything

tcc always had trickshadejust that arca was so fucking broken befoer you didnt really need to use it

[willow coral]

Is it not? Don't people just abso then corner strat

[flat nest]

and acro was never good its just that people found it fun but thats not what meta is lol

[flat nest]

why would you do that when hadal/reso/whatever the fuck else exists

[daring sandal]

You can corner with any relik

[barren ginkgo]

maybe when corner gets fixed

[willow coral]

Fair enough

[daring sandal]

Hadal does more damage and with fluid has amazing heals

(Remove fluid pls)

[willow coral]

Just no tether because of attack speed lmao

[flat nest]

then the notg meta is gonna be to run another raid

[daring sandal]

Nah it'll be freezing sigil and have everybody stand slightly off the wall

Lowk sounds fire

[flat nest]

maybe notg will become ws meta too

bro honestly i dont even know how the boss works

[willow coral]

This gives the same energy as

The best Assassin archetype to use is to switch to Fallen

[flat nest]

👍 but trickshade/shade stil good in tcc (and even in tna in a premade)

trickshade is also good in notg but goodbye to that whenever the next patc drops

[median lantern]

im becoming a broken record here, see #1389714885478187180 , but raid gameplay is high damage high mobility because it is supposed to follow this typical "slay mobs" gameplay loop. The lack of other content for other forms of gameplay to shine in is the real issue, not so much what is meta in raids

[flat nest]

ok so do you agree now that prehaps the meta isnt changing as much as you thought

[median lantern]

there are certainly changes that can be made but raiding will always be this scenario of min-maxing damage output because we put huge ass bosses to kill as the main objective lmao

[flat nest]

wow and yet everyone is using air

[median lantern]

I never said it was drastically shifting like you represented my words as

[daring sandal]

Role queue will save us

[flat nest]

ok but items changing here and there isnt a shifting meta lol

[median lantern]

but the items people use has changed, the abilities people use has changed

its a FLUID meta which is my exact words

[daring sandal]

It changed for the worse? The options have almost halved

[flat nest]

its not a fluid meta if the same 3 weapons have been by far the most popular for a year lmao

for raid meta

start of 2.1 good archetypes:
lightbender, arcanist, trick(shade), laby, fallen, aco
right now good archetypes:
lightbender, arcanist, trick(shade), laby, fallen, aco, pala (in notg), shade

start of 2.1 meta weapons: (no i am not counting when everyone waws running 100k ehp at the start because no one knew what they were doing)
hero, warp, thrunda, laby, reso, trance kinda, fatal, abso, nirv, cata (with mana pots), lament, obli
meta mythics now:
hero, warp, thrunda, laby, reso, nirv, obli, lament -new- hadal, oly (kinda)
@median lantern

start of 2.1 good elements:
earth thunder water air
right now good elements
earth thunder water air

[median lantern]

this entire thing is completely irrelevant to the original thing i responded to which was @daring sandal saying that the ims should just design more slop around the current meta instead of making designs that fit their lore, the game and are generally fun 😂

do you think that the item makers designing things around the current meta specifically would do anything to change said meta lol?

[flat nest]

ok but like can you see how the meta isnt very fluid at all and maybe thats a problem??

[daring sandal]

You completely misconstrued and misinterpreted my points, which is why I did not feel the need to continue the conversation we were having.

Also we need to ban the word slop please

[median lantern]

they have complete control over the items and when they arent using that to better the game as it is currently is what you said. And i responded directly to this

[willow coral]

So main counter argument here is that current raids lack variety in goals, and thus, the meta will be very specific and niche in what it needs to accomplish. High damage, high mobility. Right? I'm not misunderstanding your point am I?

[daring sandal]

Better the game as in maybe touching the Air items a bit? Never did I say "please produce more sd% gear!!"

Although we got that anyway with Etio lol (air, who knew)

[willow coral]

Don't shit talk Etiolation Singu needs it 🥀

[daring sandal]

I use it

[willow coral]

Singu literally doesn't have anything good for chest slot other than Libra or Wanderlust for obvious reasons

[median lantern]

I think this list is a bit of a stretch, laby was good because of bug abuse and once that was fixed it dipped out of the meta for a while until we revamped the major id. Thats a prime example of the fluidity of this

acolyte is the same story. It being op with reso on 2.1 release doesnt mean its a good archetype either it was not regarded as good and it has quite literally risen to extreme heights now since our major rework efforts

[flat nest]

singu is just terrible lol

[willow coral]

That's fair. Trap stacking was..... absurdly broken

[willow coral]

It won't stop me from using my beloved

[flat nest]

i do agree aco and pala have entered the meta but do you realy think thats enough, also look at the list of meta weapons which has only gone down (with air staying lol)

[median lantern]

the fall of battlemonk in general represents fluidity. Literally one of the most played archetypes at the beginning of 2.1 and it just forever dipped

fallen actually being one of the lesser played archetypes until 2.1 release

the game is fluid! Who would have thought 😄

[flat nest]

ok so cool so with your standards we have this
start of 2.1 good archetypes:
lightbender, arcanist, trick(shade), laby, fallen, bmonk
right now good archetypes:
lightbender, arcanist, trick(shade), laby, fallen, aco, pala (in notg), shade

start of 2.1 meta weapons: (no i am not counting when everyone waws running 100k ehp at the start because no one knew what they were doing)
hero, warp, thrunda, laby, reso, trance kinda, fatal, abso, nirv, cata (with mana pots), lament, obli
meta mythics now:
hero, warp, thrunda, laby but erm its redesigned, reso same story, nirv, obli, lament -new- hadal, oly (kinda)

[daring sandal]

The third copy paste will do it

[flat nest]

idk about you but i think for a years wroth of changes that is not it lmao

[normal sigil]

That means its time to give some love to ritualist then

Its only purpose is lunatic for aco and summoner

[median lantern]

so real

[daring sandal]

Can we revert Warrior back to 1.20

[flat nest]

bmonk exit meta aco pala enter meta wowwwww guys look what we've done the past year oh and also the amount of meta weapons has halved with barely any new ones

[median lantern]

we'll get there eventually

[median lantern]

regular shade enter meta too

[flat nest]

this isnt helping your case

[median lantern]

laby went out and came back in

you've still proved my point that its generally a fluid concept

[normal sigil]

Toxo went on retirment for 2 years since strenght and courage scailing gone

[daring sandal]

Are there plans to make Shade played as intended btw? I like the idea of hspell but they way it's used rn completely goes against what it's trying to do

[median lantern]

it might not have changed as much as you personally would have liked it to or even me personally to be honest but it is a fact that metas in video games are completely fluid

even if the same items are being used the way of playing them has certainly changed over time

[flat nest]

half the archetypes and like 70% of myuthics havent seen a single meta use for a year now but yep fluid game guys

tna and nol have remained ranged high ws high agi but yep fluid game

[median lantern]

yeah, pretty much all of the team has said that we'd like shade to be burst focused and not spam focused

but we'd rather have it be in its current state than it being bad generally because burst is kinda difficult to get right

[brave star]

no but you see there is no such thing as meta and everything is meta because im trying to beat this strawman tryhard that i imagined up which does exist in the minority but im pushing an ulterior narrative

[normal sigil]

Increase costs and dmg its so shrimple

[willow coral]

I think it's a difference in perspective at this point. "Capable of change" does not constitute "Fluid", and at this point it feels more like a personal difference on what one would call fluid or dynamic

[median lantern]

i wish i really wish it would save so much time

[flat nest]

tcc and notg have remained 1-2 support 2-3 dps with almost the exact same dps options but fluid game!!

[daring sandal]

Id agree with term that AT has done some pretty impactful changes (whether that's good or bad), I'd like to see IMs do some similar at least

[median lantern]

I guess its up to you then, how many archetypes leaving and entering the meta over the course of the last year would make you believe that stuff changes over time

[flat nest]

yep i agree the pala and aco changes were really good but unfortunately 2 archetypes out of like 10 shit ones is not enough

[median lantern]

"10 shit ones" 😂 doesn't really make me wanna talk with you im ngl

[copper oyster]

Acolyte became good that was a nice rework

[daring sandal]

Took a bit, but it got there

[cold flower]

Meta will always tend to stabilize

[flat nest]

yeah aco has had by far the best glowup

[flat nest]

what are you even saying

[median lantern]

shade had a bunch of tweaks too, summoner is far more fun now (though its not meta dps so i know you disregard it lmao)

[flat nest]

no shit im disregarding it if were talking about meta???

[median lantern]

somehow riftwalker is coming back even though i want it dead

[normal sigil]

Archetypes are fine, the only real stinkers is bolt sharp and ritu.
A lot of weapons being ass is bigger issue

[flat nest]

bolt sharp trapper (without laby) ritu summoner acro bmonk

[daring sandal]

I screenshoted this and will take it out of context for my hate brigade, thanks!!
/s

[normal sigil]

Half of these are more than fine

[daring sandal]

Me with wynncord ong

[median lantern]

way too used to this now lmfao

[flat nest]

for example?

[normal sigil]

Trapper summoner acro

[flat nest]

trapper ehhh ig summoner acro hahahahaha

[orchid geode]

is summoner even usable in tcc boss

[normal sigil]

Because laby does x3 of gma trapper dps it doesnt mean trapper itself is weak

[flat nest]

with like puppet bomber summoner is decent

[daring sandal]

I really want to emphasize how simple it was to do, all it took was the gust buff (qol buff) and everyone got excited because Timelock is genuinely fun, just that it trolls your team (this was also changed sorta) and arca overshadowed it

[cold flower]

the principle of a meta is to determine which item is better. As time passes people will figure out what's the best, until you get 1 archetype to be the only option to meta slave.
the only way to prevent that is to make dumb balance patches that works for a little bit of time but will drain out the community overtime, or to add / change content which only works until the meta stabilises again.
there isn't a single game's meta to which this doesn't apply

[daring sandal]

Rw damage was hardly touched, it didn't need to be

Hopefully we see similar changes for other archs

As we've seen with ws, qol is king

[orchid geode]

good to know

[flat nest]

ok but when the meta has been p much teh same shit for a year now thats an issue

[cold flower]

yea I agree

but that won't be fixed, it was the same pre 2.1

[orchid geode]

thought people were pissed off at shifting metas though

[willow coral]

LMAOOOO it's even more burst DPS than the burst DPS archetype

[cold flower]

unless wynncraft gains massively in popularity and they somehow find a way to have more people work on the game but keep the same efficiency

[median lantern]

I know, its why some of the at wanted to do the changes in the first place but the changes working doesnt mean that they were the right changes if you know what i mean

[willow coral]

No

[daring sandal]

I'm confident fruma will shake things up, not sure which way it'll go though

[cold flower]

#1389083548757131335 message

[median lantern]

its better that they happened for sure but it kinda just makes its problems more obvious that this fixed it

[flat nest]

i mean i really hope so lol

[copper oyster]

Summoner being completely useless in tcc is hilarious

[normal sigil]

Fruma finally provides first earth shaman mythic since ever

[median lantern]

lmao so true. "stop biweekly patches i cant keep up"

which was totally fair btw

[copper oyster]

Thats true though

[daring sandal]

Yeah I know what you mean, I think it was such a good buff that kinda throws away the initial loop of using autos to stack winded

[median lantern]

yeah its that weird thing thats hard to understand. Its a positive thing but its also negative at the same time xD

[daring sandal]

Reso kinda counts at least

[cold flower]

I think a big part of it was item changes which are really not that interesting to most people
while archetypes changes hurt people's builds without making them kinda useless

[willow coral]

Disagree. People will always pick something that is infinitely more fun as long as the loss in effectiveness is minimal.

@median lantern pointed out how life steal is pretty busted if you build for it, but the reason no one builds for it is because you pretty much lose 40% of your damage output for a usable/consistent life steal. You lose so much that it's not even worth it.

If there were multiple archetypes with very comparable effectiveness, but wildly different playstyles, people would be far more inclined to pick based on preference instead of raw numbers because they're close enough that it doesn't matter

[median lantern]

you also just dont need the ls because of other things

[copper oyster]

Life steal kinda works on quetz with chain lightning

[normal sigil]

Nerf the hp pots

[median lantern]

like mage heal is capped for ally healing (max 30% of your hp bar) but acolyte just isn't? Health pots are really strong obviously too

[willow coral]

Echoes of the Lost + Quetz is a match made in heaven

[orchid geode]

should really pick up my quetz again

[copper oyster]

Ye

[normal sigil]

We know now whats gonna be one of 50 acolyte nerfs next patch

[cold flower]

I have to disagree to your disagreement, I didn't say people would not play other thing I just said that meta gets narrower and ultimately meta slaves will only play 1 thing
even if you have a great balance that'll end up happening

[orchid geode]

look uh
the moment you went for loss in effectiveness you strayed away from the meta so yeah

[median lantern]

I think you're both right tbh

[willow coral]

Oh I misread that. Yeah, you're right, people who only stick to meta (meta slaves) will absolutely only pick the absolutely most minmaxed viable thing ever

[daring sandal]

The issue is that shaman, warrior, and mage (non arca) doesn't care about hpr or ls because they have built in healing. While archer and Assassin need to crutch on pots or else sacrifice their already little damage to build sustain

[cold flower]

I do believe for example mage is in a quite good state rn, but that doesn't change the fact that meta slaves should end up going for glass cannon rw

[median lantern]

things could be closer. But there will always be a subset of people who say "im forced to use X because it does 5% extra dps than Y, this game is so unbalanced"

[daring sandal]

I think every class should have access to decent healing somehow

[copper oyster]

Archer

[willow coral]

cough cough Steve players in smash ultimate

[orchid geode]

greed mid 🗣️

[daring sandal]

Too bad, nerfed

[orchid geode]

🥀

[copper oyster]

Gma greed build with galleon 🔥

[willow coral]

Those people's opinions should be ignored

[daring sandal]

Galleon nerf incoming, just wait

[normal sigil]

Why galleon doesnt have greed, you gotta waste 2 slots for boots and ring instead of 1

[median lantern]

you wouldn't catch me ever saying that

[copper oyster]

real

[willow coral]

As long as there isn't a huge gap (700k DPS warrior vs 120k DPS assassin) people complaining that their favorite class isn't the pinnacle of meta, when it's perfectly functional are annoying

[daring sandal]

Everybody freaked out when overwatch added self heal to all heros, yet it turned out fine and was a really nice change

[median lantern]

it is slightly different tho, overwatch is a forced team game that always has healers in it already

and also wynn has the same passive hpr as that in it

[willow coral]

Like, idfc if mage is the best class in the whole game. I don't need it to be. I just want it to be competitive in numbers. That's it. Personal taste and preference makes up for that difference in 50k DPS

[daring sandal]

The worry was that healers would be unnecessary, this didn't happen

As for hpr, we've already discussed the issues it faces compared to whay ow2 implemented

[copper oyster]

I just hope i will be able to use strati boltslinger again one day

[median lantern]

this is kinda just because at least 50% of the time in overwatch your healers are useless anyway

[daring sandal]

This hurts me as a support main 🥀

[median lantern]

you know its true

[normal sigil]

Self reported to play overwatch

[willow coral]

Play Marvel Legends instead or whatever it's called

It's the spiritual successor to Overwatch anyways

[cold flower]

league of marvel heroes battle

[flat nest]

mage also gets to heal for free

[copper oyster]

Arcanist 🥀

[cold flower]

hey you can't have it all bro

[signal wadi]

remove blood rite

[cold flower]

also pre-timelock rw didn't use heal at all (for how much it existed)

[daring sandal]

Healers are vital to ow, the change allowed the DPS more independence which in turn let supp focus more on tank Instead of topping off chip damage

[copper oyster]

I dont want arcanist to have heal spell dw

[daring sandal]

Remove fluid healing too

[signal wadi]

Ok what the fudge..

[daring sandal]

ngl blood rite is lowk crazy

But fluid needs to go first

[cold flower]

remove healing efficiency

[median lantern]

translation: dps can now clutch up more easily when they innevitably get shafted with the worst support in the entire world in most games

[cold flower]

make all healing heal 1hp per second

[daring sandal]

You sound like a dps main

[jovial meteor]

remove heal spell

[copper oyster]

[normal sigil]

Turn wynn into ultrakill, damage heals you

[daring sandal]

Put it on bloodbath as a mID, I've already suggested this many times

[cold flower]

quite funny how most ppl here seem to know about overwatch and we've been talking about meta changes for hours

[acoustic comet]

lifesteal now works with spell damage

[daring sandal]

Mana steal now procs off spells

[cold flower]

are yall having ptsd or what ?

[normal sigil]

V1 would be the best homie with a acolyte

Cuz he regenerates blood from your ass

[brave star]

just queue champion if the server is full? 🤷‍♂️ smh my head

[normal sigil]

Spend 30 blood to generate 80 blood or smth idk the nunbers

In form of hp

[barren ginkgo]

no

[orchid geode]

this is such 🥀

[cold flower]

just flame tongue spam if you're a summoner

[barren ginkgo]

flame tongue aco is better 🥀

[normal sigil]

A tip to always feel better, its still gonna do more than toxo

[orchid geode]

we dont talk about that mysterious mythic earth relik

[willow coral]

Ur gonna make Toxo fans cry

[copper oyster]

You guys dont use masks?

[cold flower]

I wonder how quad totem aura spam does in tcc

[barren ginkgo]

yes u use masks if u want optimal setup

[normal sigil]

I use lunatic summoner

[copper oyster]

no flamin toungue for you

[barren ginkgo]

use haunting memory + lunatic

[willow coral]

Actually, how is Summoner with mask? I thought it would be terrible against boss since you can't redirect attacks well

[violet pelican]

warp riftwalker?

[barren ginkgo]

The main way it’s played it’s best for normal content

I do think nol bullwhip is better tho

[daring sandal]

I meant minecraft builds, but you should leak your warpwalker build too I'm interested

[cold flower]

well I'm interested too, I can't get more than 300k burst dps on warp riftwalker and it feels really lackluster

[daring sandal]

Imma head to bed, ping me so I can see it 🙏

[flat nest]

sounds like you didnt know lament rw

[cold flower]

how tf did you stack winded ?

or you don't use meteors ?

[flat nest]

lb

[cold flower]

oh.... alr

[glad goblet]

U dont have to be getting hit for the corner strat

[willow coral]

Ohh fair enough

[hexed knoll]

This has nothing to with the major id it got btw

[cold flower]

no shit sherlock

[hexed knoll]

Your proving his point?

Im so confused

[cold flower]

me too

[hexed knoll]

Its buff had nothing to do with it becoming decent?

I mean they were talking about melee mage and i presume your bringing up spell mage so that makes like no sense

[cold flower]

gaia got some usecase because of some meta change, at least now it sees some usage
gaia got a buff for a future melee mage archetype, we don't know when it'll come but at least it has a pretty strong identity which is good imo

[hexed knoll]

Yeah this is true it was just irrelevant to everything else

Thats why im confused

[cold flower]

"at least be glad it got some usage" since gaia is on a niche that doesn't exist currently (melee mage)

what are you even trying to argue

[hexed knoll]

But its niche isnt melee mage

???

Am i supposed to be glad that it became decent in something its buff didnt affect?

[cold flower]

what do you want ?

[hexed knoll]

???

Ai is getting crazy

[cold flower]

do I have to break everything down to you ?
mage melee isn't coming tomorrow, gaia buff was done to give it some character, didn't put it to any meta usage cuz melee mage is just inherently bad
ct can't control everything about the meta, gaia got some random usage but isn't used for it's main purpose, if you wanted to play gaia you have your niche if you wanted to play mage melee wait or play suboptimal

if you want patches & reworks to go faster go help wynn's team or smth

and if you're just trying to tell me I make no sense, you're just currently trying to explain to a tired guy why what he said is confusing a few hours after the conversation is done, congrats

[hexed knoll]

Dude i couldnt give a shit about when mage gets melee support whats done is done lmao

Im just confused what im supposed to be glad about?

Like im not saying bring melee mage support now lmao

[cold flower]

that gaia sees some usage nowadays

[hexed knoll]

What does that have to do with its buff

[cold flower]

nothing

these are 2 seperate concepts that don't need to be linked

and I never tried to argue they should be linked

[hexed knoll]

“Dont be angry gaia got a buff because atleast its used”

Seemed like you linked them together

Maybe you werent clear enough

[cold flower]

yea no that was just wrong from me

[glad goblet]

racism?

[boreal forum]

Acro is better than before wdym

Even without landing everything is easier and still does the same dps

[cobalt wing]

this thread is dead already bro 😭
let it stay dead 🥀

[zinc birch]

yes hello i will murder assassin

[inner birch]

You mean… assassinate?

[kind monolith]

or even 殺人 😳

[acoustic comet]

holy shit loss language

[zinc birch]

shacro vs shatro is a very difficult to settles question tbhb

but uhh its not that bad bc stomp doesnt end vanish so you can get some hits for free

[glad goblet]

That seems silly

Administrators fix this at once

[zinc birch]

its intentionaly, i didnt ask why it was added but i assume its bc stomp isnt really smth you do "actively"

• it would like
  instantly delete vanish if you dash too high to etner

[cobalt wing]

probably to prevent stomp + sstrike

[zinc birch]

i am 99% sure that is not it bc stomp deals like 2 dmg

[cobalt wing]

true

stomp does have 5 hits tho so even if it did trigger sstrike, only 1/5 of the dmg would be under that buff

[zinc birch]

uhh i think only dive has 5 hits

[cobalt wing]

i meant swan dive mb

not stomp

[inner birch]

Stomp and Swan Dive’s damage are so insignificant compared to Jasmine bloom’s damage honestly.

[cobalt wing]

too bad aerial ace is tied to that node 😭

[inner birch]

No free 35% damage boost for you!

(By the time Aerial Ace activates, the boss is at first watched)

[cobalt wing]

ye i wish it would be reworked and made a thread about it but terminated and I didn't necessarily see eye to eye on it

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1363713474341109822

[inner birch]

You can dive at 1 momentum to activate Aerial Ace for better uptime, unfortunately in any competent setting everything dies in too fast before you can manage it.

Either this is acrobat being weak or other archetypes being too strong is another discussion

[cobalt wing]

ye so the aerial ace uptime goes to waste tho and cant be used on anohter mob even if u try flying to smth else to attack

[inner birch]

Btw what build do you use

[cobalt wing]

i rn run etw nirvana

[runic island]

Acro feels okay in some settings

[inner birch]

What’s the dummy damage you’re getting

-# (We all know its real damage is lower)

[runic island]

Aka when everyone else isnt running a dps

[cobalt wing]

prolly like 300-350k peak, im running uncrafted

i think average is around 250 tho

[runic island]

Yeah thats like mine, 300-325 sustain with 380 peaks

[cobalt wing]

for etw peaking 350-380k is kinda crazy tho idk

[runic island]

Which sounds good until you realize it takes time to charge up and you instantly fucking die to everything

[runic island]

Auxetic on dives

[cobalt wing]

ah u run auxetic

[runic island]

Yeah i always do its awesome

[cobalt wing]

i dont like auxetic that much tbh i should start using it tho

[runic island]

Its just fat damage

[echo notch]

Means you don't have to melee for Curse lol

[runic island]

Yeah i dont like meleeing

And my cycle doesnt have dash so no shurikens

[inner birch]

Unless you’re an acrobat sweat for some reason.

[cobalt wing]

ye but i dont have a spare hpr tome to cancel hpr

[runic island]

So really no point in melee

[inner birch]

(I am one, please save me)

[runic island]

It might be better to melee if you tdrop to sslow

Or if you run shurikens and actually cycle dash

[inner birch]

I cycle dash

[echo notch]

it's not a lot, you can cancel it with some rare tier ring if you really needed

[runic island]

Yeah then its way better

[inner birch]

Nah I am a sweat and I melee every other time I cast spells

[runic island]

I 1314 bc dash is annoying to add since it flings me to the ground

[inner birch]

How does that happen

[cobalt wing]

yeee thats what i like doing

[runic island]

I dont dash off the ground since it sends me too high thats why

[cobalt wing]

1314 is fun, i feel like cherry bombs would be so good with how often i shoot smoke bombs out

[runic island]

So i still have the 1 omnidirectional dash

[inner birch]

(That’s why I don’t use Dancing Blade)

[runic island]

I dont dblade i built jh

Way faster and more effective

[cobalt wing]

i might get rid of dancing blade but start dashing upwards so i can build shurikens up into my cycle

[inner birch]

Dancing Blade is so useless imo

[runic island]

Dancing would be good if it was faster

And dashing upwards sends you wayyy to far. Honestly, they could just make dash not work downwards and that would be amazing

[echo notch]

The Rare Tier Ring "Vital" has no skill reqs and gives enough raw hpr to cancel auxetic capacitor

[runic island]

Its -hpr just tank it

[acoustic comet]

why tf did this thread become active again

[echo notch]

dude wanted to cancel

[runic island]

Or throw on some tomes. Thats what i did

[echo notch]

dude also said he had no everlasting tomes

[runic island]

Also they should just not let you dash downwards

Unless you have rr

But otherwise idk why dashing downwards exists and imo shouldnt be a thing

[echo notch]

they already don't let you tp downwards, and it SUCKS because it makes canceling fall damage a pain

[runic island]

Tp downwards makes sense. Dashing downwards doesnt

[inner birch]

This guy activated this post’s Second Chance

[cobalt wing]

by stating one of the most controversial opinions ever since acrobat was touched

[runic island]

Acro is better than before

[echo notch]

just a random piece of like anti-qol on my least favorite class that gives me another excuse not to play it

[cobalt wing]

i prefer old playstyle 10x more than how it is rn

[runic island]

I like the new one tbh

[cobalt wing]

its better dmg ig but playstyle felt more synergized within the game

[runic island]

Just needs a few tune ups and its good

[cobalt wing]

have you tried bmonk btw

[runic island]

Yeah. Hell

[cobalt wing]

ive heard its similar to acro but never tried it

[runic island]

It was okay. Felt like a shitty clunky acro

With even less damage

[cobalt wing]

dam, i like the idea of staying airborne tho which is why my first slot was acro 💔

[runic island]

Like im not even kidding, base charge feels more fluid than bmonk

[echo notch]

Isn't current acro very similar to old, just it has stomp/dive/bloom boom now?

[runic island]

Yeah, which i like

[echo notch]

so you do a little more and don't have to multiweave forever for damage

bleh I need to just try every archetype pure in morph to see how I actually like it, I haven't played acro in way too long

[runic island]

The main problem with bmonk is that whirlwind resets velocity

[echo notch]

not with aerodynamics it doesn't

[runic island]

Yes, but aero feels so slow

[echo notch]

you just get this little upwards bump and keep moving

[runic island]

Nah its bad, i can explain just gimmie a sec

[echo notch]

true, aero does kinda suck hard

tried burger build and it had GREAT QoL, apart from speed because aero killed it lol

[runic island]

Ok so

[echo notch]

Aerodynamics needs to be in a little optional node cubby thing so that some builds don't end up NEEDING to grab it even if they don't want to

Flying Kick too for that matter...

[runic island]

Basically, whirlwind resets your horizontal velocity, right?

How aero works is that it always sets your horizontal velocity to a value

[echo notch]

yeah aero sets to a certain value, normal charge just adds velocity

so normal charge, if spammed, is FAST

[runic island]

However, aero is ticked BEFORE whirlwind, so when you cast whirlwind, you have 1 tick of not moving

It is so noticeable and feels so bad. This plus aero being slow af makes bmonk feel like shit

If whirlwind just gave vertical velocity and not horizontal

It would be amazing

[inner birch]

Isn’t it slow so that you are able to guide it more freely

Also

https://youtu.be/mWk6uwQEgkc?si=ZEqj1qrzXdQVJKJ8