Buff bad weapons

[remote terrace]

Anyone notice how like at least half of the mythics / fabled weapons are unplayable in the endgame ?

For shaman, fantasia, aftershock, toxo, and almost all fabled weapons are complete doodoo. You'll be lucky to hit 150k dps and that's if you opt for a 15k ehp build (literally unplayable)

Please buff underused weapons / armor ... soo much variety of weapons/armor yet it's the same small subset being used over and over again

[quasi saddle]

The goat of Wynn has spoken

[stray vigil]

actually i was thinking we should nerf bad weapons

[quasi saddle]

I love you Cakeys you’re my favorite snail Toxo user

[lofty minnow]

we should just make all weapons equally bad

[quasi saddle]

This is the IMs goal

[lean cairn]

nerf bmonk

[floral locust]

mega skillular issue for doing 150k with non toxo

[lean cairn]

wdym 15k ehp is unplayable lol

[lilac heron]

Toxo getting plague ID would be cool

[dim willow]

toxo does not need to be buffed

its literally supposed to be a mob grinding weapon not meant for combat

[zealous bison]

15k ehp is very playable

[dim willow]

^

[zealous bison]

but more viable mythics would be fun

[solid trout]

🤯

[lavish folio]

what im seeing from this thread is we need to nerf hero

[quasi saddle]

Coming next Friday with the bmonk rework don’t worry

[wild jungle]

i think we need to nerf bad items and buff good items

[lavish folio]

i think we need to pursue evil and avoid good

[old abyss]

There's always the reasoning of the weapons that are too good needing more attention

[prisma ravine]

we should give snail set a major id

[old abyss]

but that doesn't excuse never buffing underpowered gear sooo

[prisma ravine]

when used with toxoplasmosis: instakick you out of a raid

[versed crescent]

fire fire fire

[hard lagoon]

New update: bad mythics do 2/3/4x damage for each other player in your party wearing morph

[earnest mural]

wait guys but hear me out what if we nerf good weapons

[stray vigil]

like toxo

[earnest mural]

yes

[stray vigil]

or ignis (except they already did that)

[ocean goblet]

So buff hero

[fast elbow]

For the bad mythics, 250k dps minimum except toxo

And for most of them u can build sizeable ehp

[hard lagoon]

250k damage per screenshot

[fast elbow]

It seems like you are not a knower 😔

[remote terrace]

15k ehp is NOT playable. if i play a 15k ehp build it better be doing 400k dps, otherwise whats the point when I can play a 80k ehp build with 150k dps instead ??

like 15k ehp gets one shot by a lot of things. why would i risk being snipped to death by crustaceans when i can chill and play 80k ehp and do 150k dps while scrolling shorts on my phone

[lost oracle]

Thank god this thread was made, maybe they'll finally buff Labyrinth 🙏

imo so many bad weapons existing is a byproduct of how the atree is balanced

[fast elbow]

First of all, this is a crazy generalisation

Most “bad mythics” have a huge range of ehp

And 2nd those dps numbers are completely bs

[zealous bison]

i like low ehp builds because of the extra risk, but i do get your point of it being unnecessary to use if it has no good uses

5hp builds are fun too

[spiral epoch]

Agi build has fake ehp with less risk, deal high dmg as well 🌪️ ✍️

[remote terrace]

how is it bs ? im pretty sure fantasia / aftershock / fabled shaman weapons are not touching 400k dps unless its a 10ehp build

[fast elbow]

Yes, but it’s not 150k 15k ehp slop either

[hard lagoon]

OH WAIT you’re the hummingbird guy

[remote terrace]

ok so maybe 200k dps / 15k ehp if were being nice ?

[quasi saddle]

he plays oly summoner with double totem and heretic/fanatic mask

[remote terrace]

that's jsut not worth bro

[fast elbow]

That’s crazy 😭

[quasi saddle]

cakeys is the goat

[topaz trail]

lol?

[fast elbow]

Fanta is like 30k ehp with 250-300k dps plus heals

[remote terrace]

im going to solo annie next time trust

[fast elbow]

And has high ws if u build right

[ocean goblet]

Pz exists

[zealous bison]

high ws>ehp trust

[quasi saddle]

he is a massive rage baiter btw, id stop interacting with him if he says something stupid like thisagain

[fast elbow]

I know, but Fanta is not 150k dps

[ocean goblet]

Yur i just wish they were more differentiated

[remote terrace]

ok show me a build then

[topaz trail]

15k ehp is plenty ngl

[remote terrace]

I actually want to know. I spent like 5 stx on a fantasia

[zealous bison]

mobility is the truest defense so ehp doesnt matter ever trust

[ocean goblet]

They aint wrong fanta does decent damage

Its just pz exists lol

[lost oracle]

Anti Toxo is so funny to me because it is indirectly causing Resonance Summoner to exist

[fast elbow]

That’s lowk crazy

[ocean goblet]

Spring buff when

[quasi saddle]

he spent 10stx on fanta + libra

[lost oracle]

Archer buff when 😔

[zealous bison]

rainbow weapons are generally very bad at damage

[ocean goblet]

So true

This is a right message wrong messenger post

[remote terrace]

7 stx* . libra was 2stx and fanta was 5stx

[lost oracle]

Who wants to play Archer
Who wants to burden their raid team with 10k dps 5 hp

[fast elbow]

I love Fantasia but that’s just a waste of money, plus Libra isn’t even BIS

[ocean goblet]

Why did u drop 2 stx on a libra

[remote terrace]

the libra was close to max on all element dmg

[fast elbow]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=18#11_0Au10L0uj0Qx0t80t80x40OH0QX0o191z0j111g10009I010006C10009I10036C0z0z0+0+0+0+0-1T2Y2Y2Z2Z2a2a401401401401401zZxsd7C0U

[fast elbow]

That’s literally worth as much as 20% spell dmg

Or ele dmg

[ocean goblet]

Divzer laby epoch or bust

[lost oracle]

ok I'm gonna have to point out the impossible skillpoint requirement

[topaz trail]

its rainbow

[fast elbow]

The rainbow tome in question…

[ocean goblet]

Rainbow tome noob

[lost oracle]

ffs I forgot 1 (one) guild tome gets slightly more than the rest gg

[remote terrace]

I needed it for fanta

[fast elbow]

Archer is fine

[lost oracle]

alternatively I'm going to attack the 46 ap tree

[ocean goblet]

No its not bro

[topaz trail]

pz outclasses this

[lost oracle]

ight bro quit accepting bribes to say ts

[fast elbow]

Oh ya I never updated that error

But it works

[ocean goblet]

Archers prolly the worst class

[fast elbow]

If u fix the tree

[remote terrace]

Ill try it but ngl aura only doing 23k dps doesn't look like 250k dps potential

[ocean goblet]

Its held up by 3 weapons barely

[fast elbow]

I know 😭 😭 just let me play fanta in peace

[lost oracle]

it 100% is because Warrior can fulfill the necessity of range LMAO

and Warrior does more dps unless you are going ham on the crafted arrangement

[ocean goblet]

Warrior aint much better

[lost oracle]

true

[ocean goblet]

The hero class

[ocean siren]

they should buff grimtrap

[ocean goblet]

Truth

[remote terrace]

yeah just buff all the mythics that are not popular

[fast elbow]

Puppets effigies birds aura all under lunatic

[lost oracle]

me coming back to Wynn after hearing my favorite class gets a glow up thanks to 2.0 and 2.1
the class is hero dps slave statstick

[fast elbow]

Resist, and be a convergence fan

[lost oracle]

I would resist

[blazing glade]

slave statstick 🥀

[lost oracle]

but I can't quite run away from the 5 maybe 6 dps

[remote terrace]

... lunatic sux, makes u super squishy

i always run fanatic / heretic

[topaz trail]

how much is squishy to you

[fast elbow]

It drops u to like 25k ehp which is fine

Since it’s half defence

[ocean goblet]

Dont get hit

[topaz trail]

shaman is inherently squishy (for some reason) so just full send ETW

[remote terrace]

ideally 30k ehp is perfect if I have heretic and can dodge with frog leap. no heretic then 50k ehp at least

[fast elbow]

I play 4k non agi ehp Oly 😁

[topaz trail]

based

[lost badger]

"power creep this power creep that" toxo has been unusable for anything thats not ing grinding for like the past 2 years gng.

[fast elbow]

Also, if inferno is on your list of bad mythics, it can get 90k ehp with clones and do 250k dps

[topaz trail]

yeah thats not good cro

[ocean goblet]

Anim exists

[topaz trail]

clones are aight but idk if they're gonna stay after rework, and 250k dps is nothing for assassin

[fast elbow]

That is tstack, also I KNOW!

[lost badger]

is this melee or trickster cause flameshot hilt is better than that yang

[ocean goblet]

Hm

[lost badger]

250k is like one backstab

[fast elbow]

It’s just some melee shade build I made

But the example holds true

[lost badger]

the entire argument of power creep is so stupid icl

[remote terrace]

tbh I think all mythics costing less than 1.5 stx unid should get a buff. imagine costing less than a insu / simu. literally worth less than a reroll 💀

[lost badger]

its a non competitive game for everyone besides the neckbeards like lets have some fun

[lost badger]

there was like a 89 overall grimtrap for 6 stx 🙏

[ocean goblet]

You can still have some balancing

And not this clusterfujc

[fast elbow]

This is simply not how it’s done

[lost badger]

the balancing has been sustain based mythics are the entire game

[pearl blaze]

libra 2stx what is bro cooking

[ocean goblet]

Buddy acting like we got esports balancing going on

[blazing glade]

If pricing on TM was considered you'd be looking at an at least 2-3x dps buff on labyrinth :3

[fresh radish]

where issue ?

[blazing glade]

No issue I'm happy with this, I believe in this ideology.

[fresh radish]

Thanks for clarifying✅

[lost badger]

theres no reason ct have to be so horrified to buff items like its gonna change the next Wynncraft Champions Event

[fresh radish]

how about they remove hero and then buff every other item in the game

[blazing glade]

Especially labyrinth please!

[pearl blaze]

y’all js making this post a slop

[earnest mural]

because it is

[blazing glade]

Is this not slop why would you ask to buff bad weapons 😭

[fresh radish]

read the title??😭 😭 😭

[fast elbow]

You rn https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1386879548221689896

[pearl blaze]

ts not a slop if i can’t build other than abso or olympic because meta slave

[blazing glade]

Guardian dogshit weapon for like 6 years suddenly became useful with no changes made these weapons are future proof

[pearl blaze]

but yeah this post is half slop

[blazing glade]

Matter of fact it became usable despite its only change being a nerf to its Major ID

[lost badger]

buffing bad weapons will like always be considered slop to ct high key the power creep argument has been used to death

[remote terrace]

yeah this guy understands. whys it always the same weapons. like arent there 10 mythics per class why is only 20% used

[pearl blaze]

i am happily digesting that slop

[fast elbow]

U simply do not see the possibilities of the other mythics

[topaz trail]

its usable because AT made pala good

[blazing glade]

I played 4 years ago and I couldn't recognize a single item in meta rn it is not always the same weapons

[lost badger]

some items are just horrifically bad because of at

[topaz trail]

and some items cant be fixed by AT

[fast elbow]

Literally the only bad mythics is gaia

[blazing glade]

Just means the issues are usually content available and AT support rather than the weapon most of the time

[lost badger]

but because the tree is bad why csnt they give some sort of buff till the yearly changes to the ag come

[ocean goblet]

Wdym op major id!!!!!!!

[fresh radish]

“You know what would be the perfect fix for Gaia? A powder special major id!”

[pearl blaze]

dogshit mythics with glass cannon build is not a possibility or maybe im missing some points

[fast elbow]

The powder special is ok

[topaz trail]

disagree, look at fanta

[blazing glade]

Maybe the goal wasn't to fix Gaia cause it's already perfect in their eyes

[fast elbow]

Ur missing a lot

[lost badger]

I will make a shrine of you and devote my life to you if you find me a grimtrap player

[blazing glade]

500% rainbow elemental conversion on every ability

[fast elbow]

I love all the mythics but Gaia is just not it

[ocean goblet]

Gaia and singu are the greatest of weapons

[lost badger]

I will get on my knees and do prayer 4 times a day if you find a grimtrap user

[fast elbow]

Erm… I mean grim has potential to be really good

[pearl blaze]

amongst 100% raids i’ve done 95% players use either hero abso toxo or laby/reso

[lost badger]

if this was 1.20 gaia would be good with the major

[fast elbow]

Toxo 🤨

[pearl blaze]

the rest 5 are lvl 60

[remote terrace]

ok well if they dont wanna buff bad weapons. then jsut nerf good weapons. since a "good build" is relative to how good other builds are

[pearl blaze]

wait not toxo

[fast elbow]

Good weapons are fine too

[lost badger]

no no occasionally you see a guard

[fast elbow]

Bigmac 🤮

[lost badger]

can anyone name the last time they saw a grimtrap player

[blazing glade]

nirvana trickshad 100% tcc
🤤 🤤

[remote terrace]

no my point is the good weapons are too good relative to the bad weapons. so either buff the bad weapons so they are used more or nerf good weapons so they are used less

[blazing glade]

2 months ago in tcc

[pearl blaze]

unironically there are less big mac running in raids than wintel hypes

[fast elbow]

Cbomb meta 😻

[ocean goblet]

Buddy acting like ts calculus

[topaz trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1188562661428965516/1351938383064334427/togif.gif

[fresh radish]

Louie 🩵

[lost badger]

I swear to god all the other non meta mythics are all used by one tricks

[blazing glade]

Is it not relative to the HP values of the enemies?

[topaz trail]

yeah thats like the entire usecase

[remote terrace]

🤷‍♂️ just do something to make more variety in weapons used

[blazing glade]

There hasn't been more variety in the game in years..

[fast elbow]

That would mean air items need to be nerfed and defence based items be more useful in the meta

Which is not really related to mythics

[remote terrace]

well now's a good time to start adding variety

[fast elbow]

But just how the meta works rn

[topaz trail]

or it means earth items get good

[lost badger]

whats up with wynncraft tank builds doing 3 damage

[blazing glade]

Game design philosophy from the 90s

[pearl blaze]

air nerf when

[ocean goblet]

H e r o

[fresh radish]

hero shaped elephant in the room: 🦣

[pearl blaze]

you are not wearing tita

[fast elbow]

Hero is cool but would it really be that strong if Sagittarius unravel etc are that crazy?

[ocean goblet]

Bro yes man

This is not rocket science

[remote terrace]

just look at clash royale they be buffing / nerfing stuff on a monthly basis. keeps the game fresh without having to add much content

nobody wants to play hog 2.6 meta for a decade

[blazing glade]

No it wouldn't sagi might be the strongest item in any given slot for any given class since this game was released

[fresh radish]

turn this thread into a hero hate thread🗣️

[fast elbow]

🗣️

[blazing glade]

Stronger than any crafted above 10 dura as well, it's the most insane item ever made in this game

[fresh radish]

crafted pants:

[ocean goblet]

Honestly quilted carapace is more op

[blazing glade]

Don't look at clash royale 😂

[topaz trail]

obviously this means nerf Warp (again)

[fast elbow]

Nerf moontower 💯

[pearl blaze]

another warp hpr nerf coming

[topaz trail]

moontower is already so ass 😭

[ocean goblet]

We need more air items like moontower

[blazing glade]

we addin a -hpr stat to moontower wit ts one

[remote terrace]

why ? their revenue is literally going 🚀 🚀 🚀 . doesnt wynncraft want more $$$

[fresh radish]

Honestly we need more Air items like Moon Tower

[remote terrace]

wynncraft devs don't like $ ?

[fast elbow]

Erm… I use moontower in all my builds

[pearl blaze]

we have nerf warp buff air

[fast elbow]

There is a reason people hate pay to win.

[blazing glade]

clash royale is the game equivalent to youtube shorts about sigma males 🥀

[pearl blaze]

better than greedy cell

[ocean goblet]

Nerf hpr again

[fast elbow]

Capricorn 🤑

[ocean goblet]

Nerf damage ❌ nerf qol ✅

[pearl blaze]

rev🤑 🤑

[remote terrace]

hows it pay2win. its like 10$ per month to max ur acc

[topaz trail]

it just offers nothing outside of ensuring you can use an air weapon. You can slap it on any build to ignore SP restrictions instead of properly putting together a build where all the pieces contribute sp

[fast elbow]

Revenant warp is goated

[fresh radish]

❓ read your own message gng

[ocean goblet]

Moontower is one of the best air items noob

[pearl blaze]

you are not maxing your acc with 10 bucks

[fast elbow]

Notice how you are paying? That is P2W 😭

[topaz trail]

so you're wasting a boot slot in favor of slapping sp

[remote terrace]

yeah u def can. 10$ a month for the pass can get u much more progress than the content they push out eventually ull catch up

[ocean goblet]

The agility and int sp is super op

[fast elbow]

U kinda need it when ur build is cumulonimbus cr cr mt cr cr prowess cr hadal

[earnest mural]

thats assuming youre already maxed

[fast elbow]

Hadal moment

[pearl blaze]

“eventually you’ll catch up”💔

[remote terrace]

bro wat do ya expect. obv u gotta be dedicated to the game to max out

[earnest mural]

also that 10 dollars still requires you to actually play the game a lot

[fresh radish]

the myth of “progress” in supercell games

[remote terrace]

not rly just play like 3 games a day

[topaz trail]

sp slap build

[earnest mural]

💀 so its not 10 dollars a month then

[ocean goblet]

Level 15 evo megaknight in arena 8

[fast elbow]

Not really, moontower is cost reduction because int is cost reduction, and it’s also building ehp because agi is ehp

[pearl blaze]

i had like half of the cards 14 when cr wasn’t shit

[remote terrace]

most supercell games u just gotta put in like 10-20 mins a day

[earnest mural]

also their revenue is because of jynxzi playing the game not because their game is improving

[remote terrace]

consistently and u get maxed easily

[topaz trail]

agi ehp is not real and i only ever consider non agi ehp

[fast elbow]

If I chose to mash together 8 items I doubt u can get that much int and agi for free

[earnest mural]

hahahaha real funny one

[blazing glade]

Wow what a terrible game God forbid wynn follows their game design like you're suggesting

[fast elbow]

And all that int is great for cost reduction

[earnest mural]

if you can max out in 10-20min a day then why do people spend money on the game....

[blazing glade]

A model like that will never work for a minecraft server either you would not be making cash

[topaz trail]

this sounds just like wynn icl

[fresh radish]

wynn should be inspired by clash of clans instead

[remote terrace]

hey im maxed on clash of clans and near max on clash royale

[ocean goblet]

Wynncraft should be like boom beach

[fast elbow]

Agi ehp is very much real, even more so if u dan survive one Agi fail

[pearl blaze]

the caviat wynn has is gambling

[remote terrace]

trust, it doesn't take a lot of time to max supercell games 😂

[earnest mural]

thats because youve spent money and also played the game for a very long time

[fresh radish]

The thread name makes sense now

[pearl blaze]

“half slop” i take my words back

[blazing glade]

Are you Human or AI ?

[fast elbow]

Should I ask yall to stop talking about supercell games or keep the convo going, react to vote

Because I don’t care

[pearl blaze]

why would we care

[fresh radish]

he is the median voter

[ocean goblet]

Brawl stars

[earnest mural]

"nobody wants to play hog 2.6 meta for a decade" and yet 2.6 (or any similar hog variant) has been good ever since hog was released

[blazing glade]

There is nothing to talk about this guy is a clash royale clash of clans fanatic 😭

[pearl blaze]

dawg doesn’t care to care

[ocean goblet]

Hero is like ebarbs

[fast elbow]

Because like I’m supposed to keep the conversation on track or smth 🥱

[blazing glade]

There is no track to keep on 🥀

[pearl blaze]

you can js leave

[topaz trail]

agi ehp is real until it comes to playing it in-game

[fresh radish]

:speed:

[blazing glade]

Ray You know you can just buy silverbull to use the good mythics instead of buffing the bad ones ?

[ocean goblet]

Nerf hero buff other items yada yada yada

[pearl blaze]

that’s not the point he made but yeah u can do ts

[remote terrace]

u dont have to play hog though. theres rg, balloon, bait, even golem is going meta every now and then. lots of variety of win conditions

[lost badger]

hero is not ebarbs hero is og evo skeleton

[topaz trail]

Hero is evo mk

[fast elbow]

I played it in nol a few times u kinda need to play like etw but there’s a chance u might not die instantly vs dying instantly

[lost badger]

always good never punished

[ocean goblet]

Less people hated evo skeles than ebarbs

[earnest mural]

i still dont understand what comparison youre even trying to make

[ocean goblet]

Hero is like boss bandit

[lost badger]

I mean i dont hate hero its great for lr

[fast elbow]

U can probably get away with idol mainhand

[lost badger]

but its so good all the time it makes build variety horrific

[remote terrace]

just add more variety to this game bro. notice how everyone in pfinder always uses the same weapons ? thats why they should buff the underused weapons for more variety builds

[pearl blaze]

look what we have in wynncraft
abso ehp 400k dps slop
laby slop
hmelee int limit dmg slop

[ocean goblet]

This is true tho

[fast elbow]

It’s simply because they are meta slaves 😔

[lost badger]

laby is NOT slop laby is high skill

[ocean goblet]

Its cause if you decide to use anything meta you automatically have to lose 200k dps

[lean sentinel]

Nerf good weapons

[pearl blaze]

and they don’t even know how to play it 💔 💔 💔

[ocean goblet]

To keep the non meta culture alive

[remote terrace]

yup thats my point. nothing else is worth using

[fast elbow]

We should be suggesting anything but the meta in #🗿class_builds

[blazing glade]

I've never seen more variety in builds in my life in any game ever outside playing pfinder and looking at what people are using

[lost badger]

remember when they removed skill points on tomes to increase build variety

[topaz trail]

can we please add the terms "slop" and "ragebait" to automod please, im tired of seeing it

[grand moon]

less than 25% of mythic weapons are actually good

[fast elbow]

I agree, there is lots of build variety in graids tbh

[blazing glade]

Need less RB.

[ocean goblet]

What if the gap between meta and non meta wasnt 4 baggilion dps 😱😱

[pearl blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[fresh radish]

More happybaiting please

[fast elbow]

Stop this rage bait slop

[topaz trail]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-stop-posting-about-among-us-stop-posting-ding-ding-ding-bum-bum-gif-9137292049260942359

[lost badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234544567496216617/1288959967486935101/caption.gif

[zealous bison]

can fire weapons become meta please

[ocean goblet]

Stop ragebaiting lil bro

[calm tiger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/412373201063247873/1086725739090542682/attachment.gif

[topaz trail]

laby and guard

[remote terrace]

bro what are we queuing the same pfinder ?? im talking about maxed lvl 105 who are not new to the endgame (ie using morph)

[lost badger]

remember when ignis resurgence was a valid combo

[ocean goblet]

Bro they are ragebaiting you u knob

[blazing glade]

I've seen people using items ranging from bob's mythic dagger to Sequoia

[fast elbow]

It isnt 4 baggillion whatever that is

[topaz trail]

archer deserves to stay bad after its run in 1.20

[zealous bison]

both of these arent good for dps

[fast elbow]

It still is if ur cool

[lost badger]

you play it then

[ocean goblet]

Hyperbole

[fast elbow]

I don’t have either

[earnest mural]

can we get this ragebaiting slop guy out of here

[grand moon]

most mythics feel like a copy and paste

[old abyss]

Gap between meta and nonmeta is kinda big...

[fast elbow]

But I can probably buy both later

[ocean goblet]

Exactly

[pearl blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[ocean goblet]

For what reason bro

[fresh radish]

Slop slop rage slop bait slop rage bait bait slop rage slop bait slop slop rage bait slop slop

[ocean goblet]

Ct are ragebaiting us 🤬🤬🤬

[fast elbow]

Literally rage baiting @topaz trail

[blazing glade]

Is this a CT ragebait alt ?!

[earnest mural]

in the sense that theres only so many differences you can make yeah but no

[old abyss]

Laby has been hit hard but it's still really strong, especially against anni and the like

[lost badger]

📖 🖊 🔥

[topaz trail]

it cant happen

[ocean goblet]

“Hit hard”

[fast elbow]

My bad, I didn’t realise

[lost badger]

laby the earth fire mythic dealing more damage than the earth mythic 🔥

[pearl blaze]

a lotta mythics have cool gimmicks

[old abyss]

significant nerf to the MID, still strong lol

[lost badger]

unlike cataclysm

[fresh radish]

the humble 4000 notg per day

[pearl blaze]

but their purpose remains only one

[blazing glade]

Laby just needs half of its earth converted to fire damage instead

[ocean goblet]

Laby is balanced cause the bosses move how dare the bosses move

[old abyss]

I've witnessed sub-1min NotG kills with just 1 laby in the party...

[remote terrace]

also another problem is why are so many fabled weapons so useless ? like they are the most unique weaps with cool abilities, it will be more fun if they were more powerful

[blazing glade]

And you can witness sub 10 second with 0 laby in the party

[earnest mural]

are you saying sub 1 min notg kills is good

[grand moon]

as a warrior main i can say that if you want to play DPS, 5 of the 9 mythics this game has use the same playstyle.
3 have been forgotten by playerbase and are being used as offhands (if they're lucky) or not used at all
the last one being guardian

[calm tiger]

sub 1 min 😭

[ocean goblet]

Bro thinks sub 1 min is good

[topaz trail]

the 4 man reso in question:

[pearl blaze]

there was this one mf in guild running no armor laby and still doing more dps than entire party

[ocean goblet]

Lil bro is too innocent

[fast elbow]

Pz 🥱

[earnest mural]

notg takes like 5 seconds (once he comes down)

[topaz trail]

pz still lowk mid tho icl ngl

[ocean goblet]

The cutscene lasts longer than the boss

[fast elbow]

Pz ehp is cooked

[old abyss]

by the standards of the vast majority of the playerbase, yes
by the standards of the sweats, apparently not

[topaz trail]

TRUE

[lost badger]

pzs best build got nerfed into shit a month ago

[remote terrace]

i dont think so. i remember someone posting a pic of them soloing tna with pz and it took like 15 mins. Like i can do better with toxo snail

[grand moon]

funny how the entire game encourages build making and rewards you for testing stuff... until you get to the endgame

[topaz trail]

first agi weapon to not make you invuln

[old abyss]

not everyone's idea of a raid is a quick clear

[fast elbow]

🤨

[fresh radish]

probably someone with a background at supercell

[fast elbow]

No fun allowed, only clearing 🤖

[ocean goblet]

There are so many fableds with cool shit but they only do 44 damage for some reason

[earnest mural]

not really? they can still vary in ehp/ws/damage/sustain but sure the spell cycles are the same/similar ig

actually what thats just not true

[pearl blaze]

hm only if their base dmg was not 2 digit

[uneven garnet]

Brother avoids immolation even tho it’s worse than Fanta

[ocean goblet]

They are sentenced to offmeta

[calm tiger]

Raid boss hp should scale with team ehp
Lower team ehp leads to more boss hp

[old abyss]

it doesn't even annoy me that some people think raid quick clears are fine, it annoys me that they have the audacity to insinuate I'm the crazy one when I call them out

[ocean goblet]

Half these weapons arent even offmeta they just buns 😭😭💔💔💔

[old abyss]

not all do but many act like I'm insane

[earnest mural]

conv is useless but you can use it for pala/monk, bbath is bashscream cycle (although its ass rn), collapse is a starting weapon, thrunda is upperscream fallen, idol is idol, alka is either fallen or tstack also works very well, guard is pala, hero can play all three archetypes very well (although bmonk is shit), apoc is low level

[remote terrace]

yeah i avoided it before someone mentions "but technically 🤓 , immolation can do 400k dps with no healing"

[uneven garnet]

Fanta does 400k dps too

[fresh radish]

I dont think its crazy to think that raid clears should be slower but the way they’re designed now it either goes fast or it feels like shit

[topaz trail]

fanta and immo are not real reliks no matter how much people try to convince me

[remote terrace]

🧢

[uneven garnet]

Fanta actually gets QoL tho… ok ehp great healing and low costs

[earnest mural]

it does

[fast elbow]

Fanta is real

[plucky dagger]

i think we buff bad items? idk guys

[ocean goblet]

All that to be worse than pz gg

[plucky dagger]

very constructive criticism

[uneven garnet]

Ppl that compare pz to Fanta are just delusional

[remote terrace]

yeah well im not impressed with the build someone else posted earlier

[pearl blaze]

who could’ve thought

[old abyss]

feels that way because many are used to it being lightning fast
they abuse and forget that the "normal" way is how it's supposed to be

[fast elbow]

Pz this pz that but have u ever looked at the ehp comparison

[remote terrace]

i call major 🧢

[ocean goblet]

Unironically seems needed

[quasi saddle]

fanta definitely does 400k dps on aco

[grand moon]

i think all mythic weapons should get a qol mid

[fast elbow]

It’s all dps 🤓

[earnest mural]

too late to change that now

[uneven garnet]

I literally main Fanta aco 😭

[remote terrace]

how much ehp?

[ocean goblet]

They the same shit gango

[uneven garnet]

15k

[fresh radish]

well then why is the “normal” way the way the raids are designed??😭 😭 theres a reason people hate nol and golem room

[pearl blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-unfunny-mhahahahaha-gif-26674474

[remote terrace]

💩

[quasi saddle]

no reason to not play oly aco which is 30k ehp and 500k dps

[fast elbow]

But I love nol 🥺

[uneven garnet]

Yea agreed I just hate air items and pray they get gutted

[earnest mural]

idk why you think 15k ehp is unplayable lol

[fresh radish]

Oh i do too theres just billions of people who hate it for being hard and slow

[remote terrace]

yeah and u prob run so much faster too

[fast elbow]

All that agi when u agi fail

[old abyss]

that's a question for CT, not me
I don't build raids lol

[quasi saddle]

hes a burger, he plays olympic summoner with double totem and fanatic mask and does 110k dps

[pearl blaze]

it kinda is gl raiding with 15k ehp

[polar spindle]

I saw all those edits

[remote terrace]

15k ehp with like 10% ws is unplayable tho

[uneven garnet]

Idk how 15k is unplayable tho

[fast elbow]

I know

[old abyss]

yes, but the way it is now isn't the way to go either I think

[fresh radish]

its fake ehp @midnight crag

[earnest mural]

??? i do lol

[midnight crag]

Yea mb it always rolls on a hit even tho it's 74% dodge chance

[topaz trail]

i play 10k ehp 20% ws in tna its fine

[fast elbow]

He just plays etw he doesn’t even agi fail

[fresh radish]

Do u stand around and just eat the boss hits or

[pearl blaze]

i tried pbomb 9k ehp build

[topaz trail]

under 10k ehp is where things get dicey tho

[midnight crag]

Agi is op yea

[uneven garnet]

Don’t most humans play with 5-15k???

[pearl blaze]

you are not playing any endgame content with that ehp my guy

[fast elbow]

It’s really 20k since awakened

[ocean goblet]

Pbomb takes 4 braincells bro

[earnest mural]

sounds like you are just ass at the game

[old abyss]

that's part of it too, some people know the raids so well that they can get away with sub-20k ehp without issue
they call it skill issue if you can't, and it kinda is- just skill here is memorizing the raid rooms :/

[fresh radish]

Idk man i think u r just unlucky 🐸 🐸

[earnest mural]

LOL

[remote terrace]

why do I have a feeling u pick max 2 gambits and die to crustacians

[fast elbow]

Just kill the crustaceans?

[ocean goblet]

Eph in the big 25 bro 😭😭💔💔💔

[topaz trail]

cant agi fail if you have no agi

[midnight crag]

There's this hidden mechanic that isn't explained but I'll leak the tech just for u. Just dodge the attacks 🤫

[old abyss]

If you haven't run the raid religiously for weeks then you can't do that usually
so you have 20k EHP at least and even then a lot of people will still call that glassy to an extent

[fast elbow]

I’ve never seen a build that cannot kill crustaceans

[uneven garnet]

Yea but I think toxo immo ashock apoc etc deserve buffs

[topaz trail]

I 1tap everything in TNA except for Chiroterror and Greg

[earnest mural]

woah sir please do not tell people secret meta tech they rae gonna nerf it now

[midnight crag]

Dw etw sucks I'm pure eta is comparable dmg or more in some cases

[earnest mural]

if youre dying at 10k ehp youre dying at 20k too

[uneven garnet]

Let them play hero get hit and complain when they don’t roll the 75%

[pearl blaze]

shi mb gng i’ll do my best to dodge a slither of shit that’s not on my screen dashing to me at mach 5

[old abyss]

I know this is a joke but this is also a problem
the fact there's "secret" tech is really bad for anyone trying to break into endgame wynn

[fast elbow]

Just play thrunda fr

[remote terrace]

i know for a fact 10k ehp is not playable. i queue pfinder daily and every couple games, I always have to solo finish the last 4M off the boss

[ocean goblet]

What boss are u fighting bro

[fast elbow]

Just don’t get hit

[fresh radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374194720699322412/1387968516069654618/image.png?ex=685feea9&is=685e9d29&hm=1d1d02b326ecdcf884a7cd688e7c37e07294bf89134ef521a2d8193931220991&

[earnest mural]

no its not because the game is still very much playable with public builds

[ocean goblet]

Bros fighting supreme calamatis

[fast elbow]

10k ehp can solo nol from pre sun to dead

[uneven garnet]

Pf 10-15k is more than enough

[midnight crag]

Ok this one u gotta keep a secret: f5

[earnest mural]

secret tech is usually just like team comps that people dont think of or specific crafteds that get you like 5% more damage (or bug abuse)

[midnight crag]

Or better yet object permanence 🥶

[uneven garnet]

Brother thinks this game is Touhou project

[pearl blaze]

like any raid 200ms avg ain’t fun n games

[fast elbow]

Just make your OWN!!!

[ocean goblet]

Get better internet?

[pearl blaze]

australia

[uneven garnet]

So this why ppl run Big Mac and Laby…

[ocean goblet]

Move houses?

[fast elbow]

Learn the secrets of decaying heart bobs tear negative rafflesia

[old abyss]

yes, but this "good" that most of the players I call sweats go by is unattainable by that gear
You bring them a build you made yourself with hadal that does 230k dps average and you get dunked on

[pearl blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-ts-pmo-gif-2102579015947246168

[fresh radish]

This is why its warriormagecraft

[topaz trail]

i love gatekeeping and will continue to do so for as long as i live

[fast elbow]

Hadal should be doing 400k minimum blawg

[blazing glade]

I sat infront of wynnatlas and wynnbuilder for 9 hours and broke right through, the meta is there for those who actually want it, don't sit around asking for builds or sulking about the ones you already have.

[remote terrace]

u laugh but its true. u either got to go 100% sweat mode to play on 10k ehp for a raid u gotta beat 100s of times OR u die every couple raids / picck less than 3 gambits daily to keep playing 10k ehp

[uneven garnet]

How do u do 200k on hadal

[earnest mural]

dawg if your hadal is doing 230k then i think you just havnet even read the abilities

[uneven garnet]

Morph overdrive does 200k

[topaz trail]

ong im putting more hours into wynnbuilder than wynn

[vale mango]

Now this is a constructive feedback post that i can get behind. i hope ct learns something from this and they should definitely take notes

[fast elbow]

Wynnbuilder is so fun tho, peak game design

[earnest mural]

if youre dying at 10k ehp youre gonna die at 20k ehp

[blazing glade]

Only reason I'd get behind this post is to give it some ferocious loving

[ocean goblet]

When items get buffed, it needs to be more than a 5k dps increase and some shitter ids 😱

[old abyss]

See what I mean?
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about
somebody tries to build shaman for the first time and they get put down that hard

[fast elbow]

Needs to hit 400 likes to be valid

[fresh radish]

I do not understand this point are you saying you should be able to just stroke while playing low ehp

[remote terrace]

nope i never die in normal raids. and i got 80k ehp with 130k dps

[vale mango]

I give this post hella backshots ! great work on the post OP

[uneven garnet]

Nah ur telling me Fanta 20 base buff wasn’t insane?!?!

[earnest mural]

how the fuck is that related to what i said

[blazing glade]

You can start building for less complicated classes

[fast elbow]

Cumulonimbus etiolation dfteling moontower yang yang prowess thousand storms

Ez

[ocean goblet]

P Z

[blazing glade]

You'll get better as you go on

[fast elbow]

🥱

[uneven garnet]

Actual hostage taker

[ocean goblet]

All roads lead to pz

[earnest mural]

well yeah if youre gonna make the builds yourself then ofc your biudls are gonna suck at the start

[midnight crag]

Ty wfa carry

[remote terrace]

u said ehp is irrelevant. which is not the case

[earnest mural]

that is not what i said 😭

[fast elbow]

Just play inferno tstack grawg…

[remote terrace]

👍

[earnest mural]

the difference between 10k and 20k (in raids) is pretty much irrelevant but if you have 80k yeah no shit youre not gonn adie

[topaz trail]

ts inferno propaganda wont work

[old abyss]

So you see my point then? That it's often somewhat hostile to newer players trying to break in?

[fast elbow]

It is!!!

[ocean goblet]

Lil bro added immune to ragebait

[fast elbow]

Everyone will be playing inferno in 2026

[earnest mural]

well then maybe they should use the many available public resources to help them get builds

[old abyss]

the fact they have to do half the dps or less is horrid

[topaz trail]

big if true

[earnest mural]

thats like saying wow school is so unfair this guy who studied 1000 hours more than me is getting double my score in the exam!!! we should all be getting 100

[midnight crag]

If u think about it doing more dmg is ehp if everything is dead so etw is by far the easiest playstyle

[remote terrace]

and why are we making fun of morph. like ive been in lobbies where the whole lobby is dead except for me and another CRACKED morph user doing circles around the boss

[fresh radish]

at least they are nice enough to label shaman with a difficulty of 🟪 🟪 🟪

[earnest mural]

like no shit if youre just starting out and you want to make your own builds theyre gonna suck

[fast elbow]

I mean they’re probably using morph for fun

[ocean goblet]

😭😭😭

[earnest mural]

because those bosses are gonna take 10x as long

[uneven garnet]

also have to consider healing tho lol 30k ehp abso is more "effective health" than 80k ehp immo

[remote terrace]

5 mins max . better than restarting the whole raid

[pearl blaze]

morph quetz meta

[earnest mural]

10k ehp abso is more effective health than 80k immo without healing

[blazing glade]

Not always 😭

[midnight crag]

Let's nol!

[earnest mural]

have you considered getting better at the raid and not having to run 80k ehp to survive

[fresh radish]

the CRACKED morph user holding a

[fast elbow]

If u think about it doing more dmg is sustain if everything is dead u don’t need to sustain so ET is by far the best playstyle

[old abyss]

and many do
but many also want to make their own path, and that should be at least viable and not get them less than half the DPS of another player on the same archetype
weren't you the one that brought up secret tech earlier?

[uneven garnet]

thats why trickshade tcc is so broken

[topaz trail]

the reason morph is good is because it gives you free sustain and free ehp while letting you have the minimum amount of dps to be relevant

[earnest mural]

dawg i made a joke about how dodging attacks is secret tech

[fast elbow]

Nah sunstar tstack ong…

[earnest mural]

and yes if you are new to something and not wanting any outside help of course youre gonna suck at that thing compared to experienced people

[old abyss]

I missed the dodging attacks part, that is my bad and that point is then void

[fast elbow]

Trying to make builds is as easy as be rich

[fresh radish]

So you should be able to learn quantum mechanics from bashing sticks together or like

[midnight crag]

If u think about it thunder is fake damage just like agi is fake ehp so why invest in T when u should just play only E

[fresh radish]

Whats the issue with getting external help to improve your ability to build

[earnest mural]

wynn building is like not that hard to make decent builds

[fast elbow]

Real, if the mob dies instantly there is no purpose in critting

[remote terrace]

yeah ill run 10k ehp if it actually does DPS. which is the point of my post. most of the mythics need a buff so we dont have to run 10k ehp to do 200k dps.. its just not worth

[earnest mural]

for example what

[remote terrace]

like why would i run 10k ehp to do an extra 50k dps

[pearl blaze]

why play e js go 0 sp build

[old abyss]

I hate how what is considered acceptable damage varies so much between people...

[earnest mural]

ok so give me 2 weapons and lets compare

[fast elbow]

E is clearly still needed…

[remote terrace]

fanta, immolation, aftershock, toxo

[fast elbow]

Were u not reading

[topaz trail]

please consult the graph

[midnight crag]

U should try divzer u will love it

[uneven garnet]

i genuinely do not understand where ur finding these numbers???

[old abyss]

and trying to convince them that a different value is actually acceptable and not either garbage or OP is impossible

[pearl blaze]

[fresh radish]

not to the cracked burger users💪

[fast elbow]

His arse 🤯

[earnest mural]

well yues one guy has spent hundreds of hours and a bunch of money to make his build the other guy is new to the game doesnt have the resources nor the experience in build making no shit his builds are gonna suck what else do you expect

[uneven garnet]

ofc toxo wont??? ashock lvl abuse was like 800k dps iirc? immolation is around 300-400 but its high ehp??? fanta is 400k 15k ehp????

[midnight crag]

Those who know captain america 🤫

[earnest mural]

all of those except toxo can hit 200k easily

[fresh radish]

i cannot wait for july 4

[fast elbow]

This is why wynnbuilder is so cracked, u don’t actually need the money to get good at building

[old abyss]

ok for reference how much would you say a good build costs
include EHP and dps

[midnight crag]

I'll be on vacation please liberate pfinder that day

[topaz trail]

this is why duping is so cracked you can afford and test everything yourself

[earnest mural]

good build according to who? for what content?

[uneven garnet]

just copy paste builds and dont free think

[topaz trail]

(for legal reasons that is a joke)

[old abyss]

you
you decide content

[remote terrace]

yeah with like 10% ws which is what 1bee showed me earlier

[midnight crag]

Erm #freepontosaurus

[uneven garnet]

that depends on so much stuff... what content what class what stats etc...

[earnest mural]

ok and whats wrong with 10 ws

[fast elbow]

I’ll copy and paste my favourite unravel conduit Sagittarius skibidibladnir ingress ingress prowess thousand storms any day 😻

[remote terrace]

😂

[earnest mural]

give me a class

[topaz trail]

the air/ws nerfs are going to hit the playerbase like a truck

[fresh radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304461814293200938/1384351283141673081/togif-25.png?ex=685ff4d9&is=685ea359&hm=4ae7b945e13595869429501d76324f2e62fd7cfdd33dc98698f72c0046ac819a&

[fast elbow]

LOL

[remote terrace]

i like having fun playing this game

[blazing glade]

Walkspeed nerfs will hit the playercount like a truck

[old abyss]

Shaman

[uneven garnet]

thats getting saved

[pearl blaze]

no renda, meme invalid

[earnest mural]

????????? that doesnt answer my question

[uneven garnet]

were u not also playing 80k ehp 130k dps no ws???

[remote terrace]

80k ehp, 130k dps, and i can outrun tna watched

[midnight crag]

It's gotten to the point u don't need it LOL why sustain when u can do more dmg xddddddd

[fast elbow]

Me too, that is why I choose to play high walk speed off meta!!!

[earnest mural]

you can get an oly build for like 5 stx which will have like 30k+ ehp and idk 600-800k dps

[uneven garnet]

mt spring 🥀

[fast elbow]

U got me!

[old abyss]

I'm assuming Acolyte with Lunatic Mask?

[fresh radish]

This firebird item seems really niche and underpowered

[earnest mural]

yeah

[topaz trail]

did you guys see that boss bandit got buffed

[blazing glade]

Not enough

[earnest mural]

bro i know right that was so stupid

[fast elbow]

Also, u can run tna with zero ws

[uneven garnet]

cannon cart buff is more dumb

[fast elbow]

Literally zero

[remote terrace]

not fun

[topaz trail]

log nerf too wtf

[fast elbow]

U can even run it with negative 200 ws

[fresh radish]

pack it up guys. this guy is the doctor of fun

[fast elbow]

Hop/leap 😻

[old abyss]

1bee is that hadal build from earlier meant for aco?

[fast elbow]

It’s summoner

I am tired of aco slap

[old abyss]

the example one you gave I'm comparing it to the one I made
oh perfect actually

[remote terrace]

isnt that the point of the game ? to have fun? how is 10k ehp 250k dps 0 ws "fun" ??

[topaz trail]

one letter off from me crashing out...

[earnest mural]

bro who cares about outrunning watched have you heard of the movement spell

[fresh radish]

i dont think you understood what i said at all and thats even funnier

[earnest mural]

why are we making numbers up

[uneven garnet]

no one is running 10k ehp 250k dps they are all 400+ and its bc its more dmg?

[quasi saddle]

The owner of this thread is a huge rage baiter btw

[fast elbow]

I am tired of this trickster slap bs “800k dps!” Fans when they encounter a non-bigmac mob 🤓

[uneven garnet]

most ppl dont enjoy watching paint dry (boss slowly getting drained over 6minutes by ur big mac 100k dps)

[blazing glade]

bigmac mob gg

[remote terrace]

ok show me a build with aftershock/ fanta with 10k ehp and 400k dps that's not -100% ws

[quasi saddle]

Dragon build

[fast elbow]

Wait I gotchu

[topaz trail]

the point of bigmac is to support the team, if you're consistently clutching raids then you're the problem

[uneven garnet]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=18#11_CR-1969FCO9l6c0O9g51CR-1969FCO9l6c0O9d5109UCR-1969FCOCXCX7j9a510050050K40OH0QX0u1D1Y0o0o1g0010009I01006CC0z0z0+0+0+0+0-1T2Y2Y2Z2Z2a2a401401401401401zxpsUip20
WynnBuilder build:

CR-1969FCO9l6c0O9g51
CR-1969FCO9l6c0O9d51
Rainbow Sanctuary
CR-1969FCOCXCX7j9a51
Summa
Summa
Prowess
Diamond Fusion Necklace
Fantasia [t6f6f6]
yawn t2 not optimal

[ocean siren]

bosses can be fun over a long time if they are well balanced and u are actually like doing stuff not just standing around

[fresh radish]

ray gna start crashing out ab crafteds pls be careful

[earnest mural]

which unfortunately isnt the case rn

[topaz trail]

did wynnbuilder touch EC's damage numbers i swear they're not the same as before

[solemn glen]

[ocean siren]

tcc could be pcool with lower dps cuz like platform break and stuff so you are not on one place

[topaz trail]

unironically 1/10th of what it used to show

[fast elbow]

Dps instead of total

[remote terrace]

0% ws... so u die like every 2 raids ?? that's not very fun, u def can't watch tiktok while playing this. gotta go 100% gamer mode just to do your daily raids that u gotta do 100s of times to max out aspects 😂

[fresh radish]

there is no world in which tcc is cool im sorry twin

[fast elbow]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=18#11_11oCR-1969FCO9l6c6c9d9109UCR-19667COCX0O5S9a91CR-1BuBuCTCT9S9S9m91CR-1BuBuCTCT9S9S9m910K40OH0QX120z1f0g0l1g000010036C0z0z0+0+0+0+0-1T2Y2Y2Z2Z2a2a401401401401401zxptUex20

[earnest mural]

dawg tcc could be pretty cool if it didnt attack you every 0.2 seconds

[midnight crag]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=18#11_0cD0cB0cA0c80c70cF0c40c90QX1N1N1p11111g00001006CC0z0z0+0+0+0+0-1T2Y2Y2Z2Z2a2a401401401401401zxpsUip20
WynnBuilder build:

Morph-Stardust
Morph-Steel
Morph-Iron
Morph-Gold
Morph-Emerald
Morph-Topaz
Morph-Amethyst
Morph-Ruby
Fantasia [t6f6f6]

[fast elbow]

It’s cool because it uses dark matter :3

[earnest mural]

@fast elbow ok i think its thread close time

[topaz trail]

based, worst raid

[blazing glade]

Click on the button it'll show all options for eldritch calldamage

[ocean siren]

are u complaining about difficulty??? im confused

[uneven garnet]

yea they are broken rn

[fast elbow]

L

[topaz trail]

thanks

[earnest mural]

no im complaining about how annoying it is without actulaly being interactive

[fresh radish]

Notg is worse imo but. Neither are good

[fast elbow]

I didn’t actually mean that 😭

[oblique moth]

The problem is there’s a lot of mythics designed around main attack, which just isn’t a viable play style

[fast elbow]

Crazy mistype

[calm tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779802032512958526/1383925790256795709/togif.gif

[oblique moth]

That’s the biggest issue with balancing right now

[old abyss]

ok so looking at just the IDs (without masteries) mine actually doesn't do that much less damage
140% spell/30 elem/67%water/no raw vs. 171% spell/20% damage/57% water/273 raw spell/225 damage raw
the raw is the thing that pushes it over, equating to like +55% more spell on the 1bee items given hadal's high base
my build has wayyy more mr
the 1bee one has significantly more ehp (20k vs 26k)
I was also likely using a much different tree

[midnight crag]

Just like hero yea

[earnest mural]

"a lot" like what

[fresh radish]

its only annoying if you arent trolling💔 💔 free the real arguers

[calm tiger]

OH SO YOU ARE THE TIKTOK GUY NOW I KNOW

[earnest mural]

uh huh...

[fast elbow]

Should I hold a vote on whether to close the thread or not

[old abyss]

-# I don't like every shaman tree still having lunatic mask

[remote terrace]

why would i play this if abso is so much better than it?

[ocean siren]

notg would be better if the wall had a pit of lava so no wall strats

[uneven garnet]

get this guy into mensa

[oblique moth]

Singu, gaia, etc

[pearl blaze]

banger comment

[fast elbow]

I’m sorry I meant to do backspace and I did L instead!!

[topaz trail]

fanta is carried by rainbow sanc ngl

[pearl blaze]

that is a hall of fame

[fresh radish]

truth and real

[ocean siren]

or just an 80 block fall to dripstone

[oblique moth]

There’s a lot of mythics with main attack ids that just get ignored since main attack is shit

[earnest mural]

so what you meant to say is that hybrid weapons are bad and not melee weaposn are bad

[midnight crag]

I think he's assuming u are poor since u take so long on raids and make no money

[fast elbow]

That’s kinda real, extromephile pelt is not saving the crafted legs

[old abyss]

-# ritualist rework needs to come sooner so lunatic slap can finally stop

[oblique moth]

Yeah I suppose

[uneven garnet]

its also the only normal rainbow in the game with any dmg

[remote terrace]

i got 70 silverbulls

[topaz trail]

NOOO!!! you dont understand we could NOT do that it would take too much CT work and doesnt fit the theme and it also is just bad and we cant do that

[oblique moth]

Are there any mythics that are strictly melee?

[remote terrace]

about to cash out during the festival

[earnest mural]

hahaha this guys flexing 70 silverbulls

[topaz trail]

yes and they all strictly suck ass

[fresh radish]

Dude. You’re so rich thats awesome

[fast elbow]

Well I have a crabs slap version that’s as good as abso it’s basically just abso but it has costs instead of heals

[fresh radish]

can you share some with me? I really want a mage mythic lament would be preferable

[uneven garnet]

brother got 10hr paycheck 🤯

[fast elbow]

Aftershock

[pearl blaze]

inferno my belove

[midnight crag]

Omg what how do u even get this rich wtff?

[blazing glade]

Have fun wasting your time, they don't go up anymore

[ocean siren]

they could just make the notg platform look like the old one

[fast elbow]

I have 3!

[ocean siren]

with it looking like a big floating platform n stuff

[fast elbow]

Or maybe 4

[oblique moth]

Yeah they’re all balls; make main attack viable.

[topaz trail]

my point is they 100% should fix notg's arena but for some reason arent doing it

[fast elbow]

Idk lament is so useful

[earnest mural]

id consider any that have a good amount of -spell to be melee

[fresh radish]

@lament98 ts ur man

[remote terrace]

i lootrun with a build that doesn't have only 10kehp with 0 ws 😂

[old abyss]

no no inferno has general fire and -spin cost

[uneven garnet]

i mean no point to talk anymore hes just sub70

[earnest mural]

idk theyre trying to make inferno hybrid but its just ass at spell

[fast elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387538681455312936/1387584904648200384/image_6.gif

You rn

[earnest mural]

LOL

[topaz trail]

who measures wealth in shares bruh

[blazing glade]

this guy wants to kill everyone below 70 iq

[pearl blaze]

he found the 3%

[old abyss]

this
I wish it actually focused on melee
-# maybe get the sunstar treatment where its sslow but has +1 atk speed on it

[fresh radish]

The share investors

[remote terrace]

its ok Ill just open crates then

[midnight crag]

Wait this makes so much sense UR A LR MAIN

[fast elbow]

Shares are basically le

[topaz trail]

just hoard pages of full t9's like a real man

[uneven garnet]

man def mains monk

[fast elbow]

Enlightening

[fast elbow]

I’m pretty sure moontower monk does more dmg than ts guy

[uneven garnet]

he runs guardian 4 element monk

[ocean siren]

what lr hm idk /?!??!?!? trickster rework when

[earnest mural]

that or maybe a courage mID that deals a amount of damage in 1 hit because currently its fire damage is almost useless

[remote terrace]

isnt that the point ? u buy shares to avoid LE inflation

[old abyss]

that would also be great

[fast elbow]

That’s goated tho guardian bash scream is 🥵

[tacit python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340310968856743946/1366855545314738308/straightjorkinit-1.gif

[blazing glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240447983883911249/1330689417509077073/togif.gif?width=542&height=676

[earnest mural]

ah yes because shares obviously are a great indicator of inflation

[fresh radish]

You should invest in ambrosia

[fast elbow]

This is not the economy blawg…

It’s not that deep

[old abyss]

like I keep getting told it's a defensive weapon but that's bs
just because it gives EHP doesn't mean it shouldn't be able to do good damage :/

[fresh radish]

can we post cat gifs and get ts thread locked already god damn

[remote terrace]

no i invest in shares because they are worth 10$ irl money and i know for a fact irl money is always worth smthing

[fresh radish]

LMFAO????

[earnest mural]

???? they are bought with 10 dollars doent mean you can sell them back for 10 dollars lmao

[old abyss]

should the glassier options be better? 100% still

[fast elbow]

This bait is too much

[tacit python]

i got 250k dps with 0 rage and 30k ehp on ashock 😋 yall missing out on the best weapon ever made

[remote terrace]

yeah but it means the supply is limited because to get more shares people have to spend irl money

[fast elbow]

Should I lock the thread vote 🫃 for yes and ❌ for no

[earnest mural]

the supply of anything is limited

[midnight crag]

Backed by the gold standard u wouldn't get it

[remote terrace]

literally

[pearl blaze]

tstack a shock meta

[tacit python]

🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[fresh radish]

you know i voted on the price of gold just last week

[old abyss]

I'm not sure I even care at this point
I want to keep going but nobody is getting anywhere

[fast elbow]

What does 🫃 mean

[calm tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848916845981204484/1365961066928148520/watermark.gif

[ocean siren]

what is this discussion about

huh

[tacit python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779773227613945866/1344478828197576764/togif.gif

[ocean goblet]

Weapon bad buff

[old abyss]

anyone who says this and doesn't have it apparent about them is on the other side of the bell curve
change my mind

[midnight crag]

How to circumnavigate irl trading thru shares because it's backed by the gold standard and to ignore all opinions of all lootruners

[blazing glade]

Fuck a bell curve I'm the reincarnation of intelligence in this world

[tacit python]

who are u to doubt the greatest philosopher of our time

[remote terrace]

how is it bait ? shares are always decreasing in supply from people throwing bombs etc ... the only way for more shares to go in the game is for people to spend irl money. So isn't it best to store my wealth in shares instead of keeping it in LEs that can be inflated by a game update????

[old abyss]

played off as a joke it's fine

[fast elbow]

Top 2% standard deviation 💯

[ocean siren]

the gold standard i thought we in wynn????

[old abyss]

maybe I just didn't get it

[topaz trail]

what happened to: "Ive not rage baited since 2022 i was born again under the grace of the lord well over a year ago by now"

[tacit python]

they are 5 standard deviations ABOVE the mean

[blazing glade]

This is still applicable

[fast elbow]

It makes more sense when u articulate your ideas and express them clearly 🤯

[blazing glade]

You can ask the moderator who handled my appeal, they saw my statement for what it was and are yet to be disappointed by unbanning me

[fresh radish]

Not a fish no longer active its all fair game

[fast elbow]

But this is a fairly basic concept

[topaz trail]

do you think i could apply this mentality to my own situation

[tacit python]

buying godly ashock (spell% doesnt matter) dm me

[fresh radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030196507703513108/1361680773865934968/Screenshot_20250407_154944_X.gif

[blazing glade]

Yes, if you have not rage baited since 2022 and have been given a second chance by God

[fast elbow]

Oh well

[remote terrace]

yeah. why are people making fun then when i say i got 70 shares as my wealth

[topaz trail]

https://tenor.com/view/pontosaurus-wynncraft-ironman-btw-hich-join-hich-gif-25690592

[fresh radish]

Thank the lord we had good110 returned to us. Fuck that squabbles guy

[blazing glade]

It's ok, there's always 2028

[topaz trail]

im gonna wait until fruma drops
to apply again

[fresh radish]

I dont think this is what gastly meant by under 70

[tacit python]

Anyone notice how like at least half of the mythics / fabled weapons are unplayable in the endgame ?

For shaman, fantasia, aftershock, toxo, and almost all fabled weapons are complete doodoo. You'll be lucky to hit 150k dps and that's if you opt for a 15k ehp build (literally unplayable)

Please buff underused weapons / armor ... soo much variety of weapons/armor yet it's the same small subset being used over and over again

[ocean goblet]

This is unironically more productive than ask ims

[blazing glade]

Anyone notice how like at least half of the mythics / fabled weapons are unplayable in the endgame ?

For shaman, fantasia, aftershock, toxo, and almost all fabled weapons are complete doodoo. You'll be lucky to hit 150k dps and that's if you opt for a 15k ehp build (literally unplayable)

Please buff underused weapons / armor ... soo much variety of weapons/armor yet it's the same small subset being used over and over again

[ocean siren]

ive probably spent like more than 10 WHOLE LE on POTIONS

[tacit python]

how are people hitting 100k dps ???

[fast elbow]

I’ve seen this said like 100 times

[old abyss]

if they don't get blasted for saying that then ima scream

[topaz trail]

that thread is for nerds

[ocean siren]

WHAT a SCAM

[tacit python]

how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???how are people hitting 100k dps ???

[remote terrace]

[blazing glade]

Das what am asyin

[fast elbow]

This thread is derailed but at least keep it to a minimum

[tacit python]

my b gng

[remote terrace]

isnt it beatuful

[tacit python]

id say the thread is pretty on topic still, i just copied and pasted the original thread msg

[fast elbow]

2 labyrinths

[fresh radish]

Can u please post more about your shares

[ocean goblet]

Can you go into more into detail about the topic in this thread

[ocean siren]

cuz i always want a perfect number/even on 3/30

[blazing glade]

You can press F4 to screenshot so we don't have to see your disgusting inventory layout behind the screenshot

[ocean siren]

its a WASTE OF MONEY

[ocean goblet]

Perhaps could you give us examples of weapons you would like to see buffed

Keep it civil folks

[topaz trail]

we can go band for band

[fast elbow]

I see a number greater than 1, unacceptable…

[topaz trail]

fuck that we can go M for M

[remote terrace]

whats wrong with it. i just got everything i need for my daily raids

[fast elbow]

I’m poor af but I like to gamble still

[tacit python]

they very specifically called several shaman reliks "doodoo" what more could you want

[blazing glade]

They gotta just make all inventories standardized to avoid ts

[fresh radish]

Why we talkin bout “keeping it to a minimum” when the op is just flexing his wealth in shares😭

[ocean goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-13669406505701813608

[blazing glade]

Just press F4 🥀

[earnest mural]

Anyone notice how like at least half of the mythics / fabled weapons are unplayable in the endgame ?

For shaman, fantasia, aftershock, toxo, and almost all fabled weapons are complete doodoo. You'll be lucky to hit 150k dps and that's if you opt for a 15k ehp build (literally unplayable)

Please buff underused weapons / armor ... soo much variety of weapons/armor yet it's the same small subset being used over and over again

[fast elbow]

What the nol earnings

[earnest mural]

do you think thats a flex or something lol

[remote terrace]

ill get there soon

[ocean goblet]

It is

[fast elbow]

I mean it depends what other assets he has

[remote terrace]

having $ in this game is my only pleasure. along with gambling

[fast elbow]

If he just has shares that’s not a lot

[fresh radish]

lootruns complete❌ ❌ ❌ ❌

[blazing glade]

Can I see that screenshot again

[ocean goblet]

Better than chest opened trust

[fresh radish]

Why you talkin bout buffing bad weapons then gng

[topaz trail]

who doesnt love materialism runs!!

[blazing glade]

I Think I saw a personally identifying part of it and I would like to confirm

[earnest mural]

ok but either way 70 shares aint shit

[fast elbow]

Wait we should lowk check this

See if they spend irl money on shares

[ocean goblet]

💀

[topaz trail]

ill trade igns with you

[tacit python]

🥀

[remote terrace]

yeah because im trying to have more fun. and it would be more fun to have more variety in this game.

[blazing glade]

Ok I go first, Good110

[fresh radish]

Go back to clash royale🥀

[blazing glade]

Just need the screenshot no need for IGN 😊

[old abyss]

I really should've expect a thread about balancing would be this... polarized?

[remote terrace]

like buffing bad weapons so we can make more fun builds

[fast elbow]

If they own like 10 labys and 70 shares that’s a lot vs nothing and 70 shares

[tacit python]

toxo needs nerfing BADLY

[topaz trail]

okay awesome, my ign is 1yum

[remote terrace]

it shouldnt but for some reason people want to keep playing the same boring meta with absolution, warp, hero 🥱

[blazing glade]

Ts...

[tacit python]

ts

[topaz trail]

ts

[earnest mural]

ts

[fast elbow]

Ts stands for this!

[topaz trail]

anyway, the mods and I have decided to lock this thread now it got way off topic. would you like to do the honors @fast elbow

[blazing glade]

This ts shit pmo me off i can't icl ..

[ocean siren]

anyways
dps is so crazy man
trickster rework gon be crazy

[fast elbow]

Real!

[old abyss]

I was more refering to how there are 2 entirely different ranges of damage deemed acceptable and when you talk to someone it seems like a 50/50 chance they're one or the other
either they think anything under 400k is trash for damage or they think 250k is really good and I swear there's 0 inbetween

[ocean goblet]

Who are you lik bro

[tacit python]

bai thread

[topaz trail]

ts

[fast elbow]

Ok chat, this thread is too silly!!

Ima lock it probably

[blazing glade]

LASTR MESSAGE

[fresh radish]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523282321303142400/978016531181088768/image0-32.gif

[old abyss]

shucks

[fast elbow]

I’ll unlock later if u guys want to keeep talking

[blazing glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240447983883911249/1330689417509077073/togif.gif?width=542&height=676

[tacit python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259694461412446323/1375749689227481138/togif.gif

[topaz trail]

last

[calm tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773108055558455296/1365210456880447539/stay_mad.gif

[fast elbow]

Just ping me anywhere

[blazing glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240447983883911249/1330689417509077073/togif.gif?width=542&height=676&ex=68608318&is=685f3198&hm=2f9e9b6796b57c6fb82d57046fa0a91d318cc82d7a43d239552addb157c76628& ME LAST ME LAST ME LAST

[fresh radish]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240447983883911249/1330689417509077073/togif.gif?width=542&height=676

[fast elbow]

Remember this msg!!

[topaz trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1188562661428965516/1351938383064334427/togif.gif

[blazing glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240447983883911249/1330689417509077073/togif.gif?width=542&height=676&ex=68608318&is=685f3198&hm=2f9e9b6796b57c6fb82d57046fa0a91d318cc82d7a43d239552addb157c76628& ME LAST ME LAST ME LAST ME LAST