air items are overpowering and wynn's balancing does not treat agility like a defensive stat

[azure flower]

Yes the community doesn't really like CT completely changing ids but I really do think it's necessary

Take fanta for example

What is it doing that pz doesn't already do?

Each mythic should have an intended niche it fits in

And it should be fairly unique (cough cough bloodbath cough)

[fossil mantle]

No you see but sometimes it's really necessary, ignis really needed to have its fire damage removed

[azure flower]

Ingis should be removed

CT even admitted tank/supp archer doesn't work

But I dont want to talk too much about archer it makes me mad

[fossil mantle]

It can work but it would have to be a CC/debuff support, unfortunately CC is dogshit and acolyte exists

[azure flower]

Also Altrisum kinda sucks

[brazen latch]

is mostly bc it underperforms compared to warp

[quick aspen]

Yea but even as a budget warp I figured id still see it atleast a couple times

[brazen latch]

nah, warp is already really easy to get

most ppl can get it after 1-2 weeks on Wynn

[azure flower]

a bad warp is very different than a good one

[brazen latch]

a bad warp is better than quetzal

especially on new accounts since warp is better in LR

[azure flower]

Bad warps are unusable

[brazen latch]

since they changed HPr yes they are

specially on LR

[low notch]

Who cares about LR meta

[brazen latch]

Most playerbase

especially when Raids do not offer the same benefits once you reach max aspects

or when you don't have friends connected to raid

[azure flower]

I guarantee those who maxxed their aspects did not think: "oh looks like I'm done with aspects, time to lootrun!!"

(most) raiders raid because they enjoy it, the social aspect plays a large part as well

I'm confident a coop lr update would reinvigorate endgame players to pick it back up

[forest lodge]

Lr needs more than that

[azure flower]

Because for an mmo, there's really not that much team content

[azure flower]

Not denying this

[forest lodge]

Only so much fun can come out of looting the same chests and killing the same mobs over and iver

While they get slightly stronger as u go

[azure flower]

Hot take:

Lootrunning is a fun activity but it gets draining after spending hours doing the same thing with nothing to show for it. Other factors that make it unfun are the horrible lootpools and the pain of unlocking each camp on each class

The idea is fun, but it does need some extra additions and qol changes to make it more engaging

[forest lodge]

Yeah that shit hot bro

Keep it in the oven

[azure flower]

Just asking, what makes raiding more fun than lrs in your opinion?

[forest lodge]

Im fighting shit

Not a wave of mobs

And although the rooms arent the greatest they are atleast have more to them than just kill mobs

[azure flower]

So you'd like to see more non-combat challenges as well as more boss-like challenges?

[forest lodge]

Not saying that raids are like infinitely more fun lrs they just have atleast more substance

Its like comparing unfun to tolerable

[forest lodge]

Yeah even just like changes to the caves themselves

[azure flower]

So what in this game do you consider fun 😭

[forest lodge]

As of right now pretty much nothing

I mean raiding woild be more fun if there was a bigger variety of competetive items/builds

Cause a lot of the fun comes from trying out new shit atleast to me

[azure flower]

What would you think of a new piece of co-op/pvp content that emphasizes build creativity by making gear determined via draft?

Each player is given a pool of items, you pick a few and the rest go to your teammates (and the same with them)

So every run will have completely different builds and team comp each time, and is not dependent on the player's net worth but rather their skil and resourcefulness

Think of it like Arena in League, or draft in clash royale, or draft in mtg (there's plenty of examples)

[forest lodge]

I mean a draft would be cool but i woudlnt mind if there were just more builds that were competetive

This game just lacks variety

Ofc i could just use the shit anyways but why does it have to be so much worse in comparison

[azure flower]

That's more of a IM issue that I can't really speak on

But from what I've seen, most dedicated/endgame raiders eventually stop using meta because they find it boring, and instead 4stack offmeta

I think content that forces diversity could be a nice change rather than having everyone run meta all the time

[forest lodge]

I mean gambits kinda do that

But in a very sucky way

[azure flower]

This is why Arena is such a popular and beloved gamemode in League, because building is relatively stale in the rift

[forest lodge]

It also doesnt help that theres a huge power gap between builds

Ofcourse im not expecting everything to do the same damage and shit but like i would like there to be more competetive builds yk

[azure flower]

@tacit furnace tap in

What do you think of adding Arena to wynn

[forest lodge]

Nah i fw draft in clash but like i feel like they need to do some more balancing before they can do that

[azure flower]

This is only gonna be solved by CT nerfing the good shit, they dont want to buff the weak stuff because they're trying to get the power budget lower

[forest lodge]

They kinda need to do both tho cause like there so much shit thats just hilariously bad

[azure flower]

I'd rather see those be reworked instead of buffed

Some designs are just too outdated

[tacit furnace]

i mean i agree somewhat, some champs their core is just too strong that any variation from it is kinda just trolling + they have a lack of great situationals but others (e.g twitch have a very strong core but can swap builds such as going AP into really bad matchups like massive engage malph+diana+nilah)

i didnt rly play v2 of arena but in v1 building was even more stale than the rift (it was literally just tanks xd)

the couple games of v2 i played it was fun tho

[tacit furnace]

like ppl choose an archetype and they can 'buy' certain items?

[azure flower]

You should try it again, they also have a ton of exclusive items which is fun to play with

[azure flower]

Choose a class and are given a choice for weapon and gear from a small pool. The ones you discard are passed around to the other players, and the same for them

It would take some work to ensure builds function at a basic level, but it would allow players to try out new combinations/weapons/archetypes than they're used to

Since you wouldn't need to personally own all the gear or hope for good rolls

[tacit furnace]

yea that would be cool

[fossil mantle]

ong this game would be like 5x more fun if there was a relevant pvp endgame activity

unfortunately pvp is an unbalanced mess and most likely nothing will be done to remedy that in the next 1-2 years (if ever)

incredible how hard they fumbled the bag by making pvp so ass in an mmorpg

[azure flower]

I'm still holding on to my wynn battle royale idea

[fossil mantle]

this game's combat system has the capability of leading to such an amazing pvp combat experience unlike any other mmorpg

[azure flower]

I think pvp would work best as a seperate version of the game, where items can be balanced for pvp without affecting pve

[willow leaf]

^

that is realistically the only way its implemented rn without an entire overhaul atp

[quick aspen]

As long as it doesn't lock shit behind pvp requirements I'm perfectly happy to see it get revamped

[brazen latch]

also LR compared to raids doesn't allows certains archetypes to be viable, meta is more rigid and that makes it even more monotone

[brazen latch]

the main issue with pvp is hp/max mana system, it doesn't fit wynncraft playstyle

like in most games, dps numbers usually don't reach beyond tanks usual hp/defences build, like if a tank usually does have 40k hp, the usual dps doesn't usually reach beyond 40k, here in wynncraft even with some mechanics such as dodge/resistance, dps goes far beyond that.

[azure flower]

So in other words, the power budget is too high lol

I agree with that, everyone plays hyperglass in Hunted which makes sense

A revamped dedicated pvp gamemode would greatly lower the dps of players

But since this is unrelated to pve, I don't think anyone would be complaining

[brazen latch]

yes and also adding something like 90% dmg reduction when players attack other players wouldn't solve the issue, that would require more stuff integrated into pvp

[shut lark]

For forget how stupidly broken assassin is at PvP at low levels

Vanish and backstab boom ur gone

[azure flower]

shaman exists

[young delta]

galeforce <\3

[young delta]

the fuck? just glide noob

[tacit furnace]

so real

5min cd flash

[young delta]

ur having to flash nilah diana?

[tacit furnace]

if they flash and u dont have good peel team

[young delta]

playing twitch is so sad rn

no bork no galeforce

[tacit furnace]

i mean yea but crit core is strong now atleast

i much preferred runaans titanic tho😔

[young delta]

yun tal ie is 2 bf back to back + like bad early damage and collector runaans drops off 2 items so hard

unironically building him collector ie ldr most games unless giga ahead and its like the lost boring shit ever but u oneshot ppl

98tek was peak tho i miss onhit too

[tacit furnace]

bf dmg early is crazy wdym

[young delta]

yun tal spike sucks

[tacit furnace]

its just yuntal gets no immediate value on finish

[young delta]

if u are getting 1300 gold bases frequently ig bf spike is fine but collector is just better for earlygame most of the time unfort

i think dirk spike highkey is better than bf spike too

[azure flower]

crit items are so boring icl

not enough variety

[young delta]

wym bro we got damage and damage, damage and attack speed, damage and damage (more damage), damage and armor pen, damage and shield, uhhh

[azure flower]

ts is why arena is better

except arena is pain for adc

i dont feel the need to get a 4th crit item most of the time anyway

[young delta]

arena sucks

[azure flower]

says the adc player

[young delta]

zilean x10 every match then like some goofy ass tank technology

[azure flower]

aram sucks more

[young delta]

amen

[azure flower]

aram is fun its just annoying that its random

then i get stuck playing Maokai and wanna kms

"why arent you enjoying this?? its the fun gamemode!!"

[tacit furnace]

Aram boring I cba playing with/against poke 🥱

[young delta]

idk the "for fun" gamemodes dont get policed as much balsnce wise so the metas are so insanely fucking toxic

[azure flower]

poke is the best part of league

[tacit furnace]

Fun when I get like kog twitch or whatever but otherwise it’s snooze

[azure flower]

https://tenor.com/view/aint-no-hwei-hwei-aint-no-way-league-of-legends-gif-5000238341134950679

[young delta]

poke in aram and like enchanter/tank spam in arena

[azure flower]

arena just needs better maps

[young delta]

that aint saving it

[tacit furnace]

Yea pressing 2000 range spells is super fun with mana sustain baked into kit

[azure flower]

id lowk like arena even more if it was longer matches with a bigger map

some of these maps are abysmal

[azure flower]

they nerfed his W

[young delta]

played into like 3 diamond-masters hwei botlane players today alone this champ is such boosted dogshit they all suck but u dont outscale till like 5 items on ad

[azure flower]

ive been running Hwei and Mel with my duo recently

[tacit furnace]

Mages bot is so snooze u literally just ignore the entire idea of laning phase and don’t have to learn the game

[young delta]

you have become the ragebait

[azure flower]

root fish with EW and its a guarantee kill if Mel follows up with her root

[young delta]

whats worse is the counterplay is just picking some afk waveclwar adc like cait sivir xayah and just shoving them in the whole lane

annoying boring pick that forces u to play annoying and boring

[azure flower]

theres no hwei you're able to shove a lane against that

[tacit furnace]

Sivir 🙏

[azure flower]

once I get bft I just need one Q to clear it

[young delta]

adcs naturally have best shove earlygame its actually like really free

once hwei is one item they can contest but then its just even he cant get u under tower

hes way stronger in invades and river fights tho its so annoying abd like if their supp lands so much as a slow u die

[azure flower]

ts is why I always start with E

its just safer and more valuable than Q

esp earlygame

[young delta]

ngl it doesnt rlly matter what he takes early

[azure flower]

have you seen the vids of ppl playing Hwei Veigar bot

[young delta]

too much range ge can just sit back and avoid lv2 all in regardless

[young delta]

any double mage bot is deserving of the deepest pit in hell

istg mage bot players are boosted at least 10 divisions

[azure flower]

I only run mage bot in unrated or swift

[radiant crow]

wynncraft discord

[azure flower]

We should make a League channel

[young delta]

just play aphelios bro its like hwei but u dont have a terminal disease

[azure flower]

I do

AP is just more fun to play and build though

Easier to get bullied on Aph

[young delta]

almost like the pick is actually fair or something 💀

[azure flower]

Nah adc just sucks

I'm gonna try aph mid eventually though

[young delta]

its mostly fine idk

although there is a vid of geng ruler going on like a 5 game loss streak in na diamond cause his supports are handless freaks

[azure flower]

I js like spells more than autoing

You'll never catch me on a melee champ

I look top lane and it's like I'm watching the monkey exhibit at the zoo

[young delta]

ok thats facts tho idk where they find ppl to play shit like trundle udyr

like u exist to get kited cruh 🥀🥀🥀

[forest lodge]

This like your average ask ims conversation

Youll be aight

[quick aspen]

The most on topic thread

[fossil mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300508310738571404/1300880298313121792/watermark.gif

[cobalt linden]

Give mid/end game items Explosion and give it bonus id and we are cooking.

Where is my fire equivalent to this 😭, 5 fucking damage boosts

[karmic radish]

Respectfully you need to actually play endgame and make builds to have a proper say in this conversation 😭😭

No way you just called voidglass set the biggest offender 😭

Diabolical

[willow leaf]

😭

Just remove the agility stat and move foward.

[karmic radish]

that's what I'm saying 😭😭

[thin creek]

Remove rawspell and rawmain from sagittarius

Make unravel require something other than agility (it doesn't have the walk speed to classify as a proper air armor piece)

[azure flower]

What if we gave Unravel ws

[thin creek]

Then removed its spellraw

[karmic radish]

It's not like unravel was added because there was a lack of just agi helmets 😭

[karmic radish]

This would make it kinda useless

[thin creek]

Air damage% alone is enough

[fossil mantle]

these are some unheard of 3% takes

[fossil mantle]

unravel is used by 1 (one) weapon and that is olympic, it also makes no sense to add more reqs to something whose only elemental ID is air related

[thin creek]

“And they are dancing, the board floor slamming under the Revenants and the Fallens grinning hideously over their canted builds. Towering over them all is Hero and it is naked dancing, its small feet lively and quick and now in doubletime and bowing to the ladies, huge and broken and airy, like an enormous scythe. It never sleeps, it says. It says it’ll never die. It bows to the Fallens and sashays backwards and throws back its blade and laughs deep in its throat and it is a great favorite, Hero. It wafts its hat and the lunar curve of its blade passes palely under the lamps and it swings about and takes possession of one of the Major IDs and it pirouettes and makes a pass, two passes, dancing and using Saviour's Sacrifice at once. Its feet are light and nimble. It never sleeps. It says that it will never die. It dances in light and in shadow and it is a great favorite. It never sleeps, Hero. It is dancing, dancing. It says that it will never die.

[brazen latch]

also used in warp

[fossil mantle]

only things I see people run on warp is aquamarine/bmask with the rare bwash/kerato

[brazen latch]

aquamarine bmask is used with lament as off-hand or when you have a bad warp

most warps with good rolls uses unravel, Riftbender and riftcannist with tome hpr cancel. unravel offers more dmg than kerato, especially bc of the spell raw

or at least decent (Mr/HPr raw/Hpr %)

out of the 5 options, unravel offers the most dmg

[azure flower]

Warpwalker my beloved

It's expensive and not worth though

[thin creek]

And weathered

[karmic radish]

What are we doing bro.. srs

[autumn snow]

Fruma will kill ws 🙏

[visual maple]

context?

[autumn snow]

Im praying

Will ts into existence

[visual maple]

ok but there's only 2 raids where it super matters, NOTG and TNA, idk any other content besides lootruns where it might be that important

[cobalt linden]

The only way they can kill agi and ws is putting bosses in extremely tight space with multiple mobs

[thin creek]

TNA has no reason to be so fast

It doesn't even have legs

[errant mulch]

they have a lot of upper body strength

[thin creek]

They should give it 2 phases, the first in which it has less walk speed than now, and in the second phase it grows legs and is faster

[errant mulch]

please no

it would look so weird

[azure flower]

maybe not grow legs, but a bigger difference between halves would be cool