You must fix new player experience

[crude turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/cheeseburger-stacked-burger-tower-tall-big-gif-5715233482568075672

[gritty copper]

just shoot them your self lmao 🤯

[crude turtle]

this gotta be ragebait right

[gritty copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724581180841656360/1356456951998840873/attachment.gif

[crude turtle]

have u tried shooting the enemies

[plush canopy]

I truely dont give a fuck if you take the feedback seriously about it tbf

[crude turtle]

if anything them getting grouped up like that is better because you can kill them all at once

[plush canopy]

If you dont it doesn't bother me at all. ITs annoying regardless.

[crude turtle]

u posted in a public server brody i will give your feedback my feedback

[plush canopy]

Your feedback is ragebaiting tbf

[thin raven]

Bob does not deal damage

[crude turtle]

the only one ragebaiting here is u

[plush canopy]

He still knocks you off of vendors

[thin raven]

I agree the AI of the enemies at Ragni gate is uniquely shit

[gritty copper]

yeah for real like the zombies in the tutorial are stronger than bob zombie

[rose fog]

I’m gonna be completely honest, this issue isn’t solvable, since it seems to me that you’re not consistently killing the enemies around you enough to not have them trail you. Especially with more than 3 players in the same area. That’s just how the enemy agro works; just be sure to remain proactive

[plush canopy]

Awesome, because thats literally all the feedback was @thin raven

The AI is shit and should be fixed. the other 9 comments about shoot them or w/e are missing the point regardless

[zinc sluice]

🫃

[plush canopy]

Why would there be two guard towers setup in a small off city randomly where they're shooting the ground and no mobs

small outpost* I should clarify before the bait comes.

[thin raven]

Didn't they fix the Archers shooting you in that area ages ago?

[gritty copper]

its emerald trail its not supposed to be super safe like a city
anyway these zombies do like 2 damage and have like no health

[thin raven]

They don't target the mobs well at all, though

[novel creek]

they are complaining about it missing the mobs rather than shooting you i think

[novel creek]

alas moving target issue

[plush canopy]

No no

I mean the archers in the tower? they are literally shooting the ground. they're not targeting mobs

[thin raven]

Alas, solved computational problem for predictably moving enemies

[plush canopy]

I can send a video of it. its like theyre tracking mobs underneath or something odd

[novel creek]

agro'd on a pigman cave mob

alas

[thin raven]

true, they don't even try to aim, much less use a decent algorithm

[rose fog]

they’re locked, just on mobs that are either out of sight or too far to hit

Like the pigmen cave enemies^

[thin raven]

so the devs can add LoS to Bleed procing without even meaning to, but can't make the Archer AI have LoS?

[plush canopy]

So we move to the true point of the feedback, which is. If I know nothing about the game, I should be able to walk into the gates of a major city or stand at beginner vendors and spend atleast 5 seconds reading before being mobbed.

If I can't do either of those, sure I can work around it. but the experience fails to compel me to keep going. I enjoy the game none the less

thats why its feedback

[rose fog]

I mean, you can, though. The issue isn’t even to do with mobs overpowering you. You’ve got 4 people calling agro to multiple enemies; without killing them, they will stay

[plush canopy]

What is the purpose of guards if they do not do the function they're designed for

[novel creek]

i am not going to lie you gotta calm your attitude if you want people to be chill in your post too

[rose fog]

This is coming from someone who’s introduced Wynn to many people. You just need to actually kill the mobs that are near you

[rose fog]

They’re an extra help, when they work, but they’re closer to ambience rn, until they fix blue name mobs in the future

[gritty copper]

they literally work perfectly fine it most servers though
here they are attacking zombies near me

[rose fog]

Wynn team can’t always prioritize stuff like this, because most players just kill the mobs, while also play in smaller groups. 4 may seem small to most MMO players, but Wynn is generally 1-2 player content, with raids and guilds offering that multiplayer aspect

[gritty copper]

also another thing is like these zombies are literally like the weakest enemies in the game idk how anyone can complain about them

[plush canopy]

I think i made my point without continuing further, we agree the AI is horrible so that primarily makes my point clear without making this turn into a massive essay.

[rose fog]

They’ve done alot for the early game, already. Keep in mind this is a small team, and to outright change the way blue name mob AI works is a huge task, especially with the coming update.

Especially when the issue stems from general server connections just de-syncing mobs. This kind of feedback just doesn’t hold much merit, considering it’s an issue that can’t really be solved from suggesting it. They’re aware of the issue

(Also, imo, this isn’t even an issue, since it’s literally entirely remedied by—again—killing the mobs)

[worldly girder]

If they refuse to fix 2/3 of mythics to be usable, i can already see them fixing ragni mobs you see for 5 minutes

[rose fog]

“Fixing”, and it’s just general server issues, which aren’t consistent and can just break random things no matter how stable

[timid sierra]

[gritty copper]

very true idk how you can expect every threat near you killed by an external factor
like people should be encouraged to actually use their weapons lol

[humble dune]

i thought archers were there for show

[timid sierra]

Also bob is supposed to spawn there. It's a rare little easer egg mob which drops a exclusive ingredient

[rose fog]

Not sure what this kind of feedback hopes to achieve. One issue stems entirely from just not being aware and letting enemies swarm you, whilst the other one is based in a completely random server issue

On the topic of Bob, too, has anyone ever died to him?

[gritty copper]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sonny-i-robot-gif-23790834

[rose fog]

I swear, even when Bob was first released some odd 10 years ago, I didn’t know this bro could kill you

[plush canopy]

I can really see why Salted said around last month people unfairly troll the team about not reading feedback

[timid sierra]

-# I am literally right here

[plush canopy]

Feedback isn't suppose to make sense to everyone

[rose fog]

Your intended goal should always be to try and deliver your feedback to the best of understanding lmao

[timid sierra]

-# And a lot more ct members read posts often. They just don't always respond

[worldly girder]

Send some ims to one of the 50 poison posts cuz they get ignored

[azure thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773108055558455296/1365210456880447539/stay_mad.gif

[plush canopy]

My intended goal was to write feedback of my experience of the first hour playing not be trolled about shooting npcs randomly tbf

[timid sierra]

[plush canopy]

And then the follow up feedback is "Well it is a problem thats unfixable so why would you mention it" and also "IF they wont fix our problems why would they fix yours"

[rose fog]

I mean, it is fixable, just /class

[gritty copper]

this could be solved if you just kill the mobs your self 🤯

[rose fog]

Also, yeah, for the 7th time

[gritty copper]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-9712481

[river dune]

???????????

[rose fog]

Here’s your feedback: kill the mobs, /class if things don’t sync properly

That is your solution, since fixing mob AI like that just isn’t really feasible right now

[plush canopy]

So we have "We agree the AI is shit but unsolveable" and "they dont fix our feedback so dont expect yours to matter" but then also "You should expect to be attacked in main cities, small outposts, everywhere in the game, essentially dont open it unless you know how it works first.

[rose fog]

I mean, the AI isn’t shit, it’s just general mob AI

[plush canopy]

Oh I have solutions to fix it but that was before we went so of course.

[rose fog]

What are you exactly expecting from the mobs?

[gritty copper]

what are you even talking about 😭

[plush canopy]

One, Bob should not be flagged to be aggro in major cities to start. he should be neutral and a random npc to find, not trail off to attack players in a city full of guards. Also its not impossible to setup an aggro radial system Imo.

[river dune]

what

[rose fog]

I think this is an entirely self made issue, atp, dude.

[worldly girder]

We should add bob to every city instead

[gritty copper]

its not an npc 🤣

[plush canopy]

He infact is an npc. he's a zombie unless somehow you didn't notice that

If you think I just found him, your dead wrong. he attacked us on a vendor.

[rose fog]

I don’t even know what to say towards helping you, since this is quite literally an almost impossible issue to come about. Idk how you all managed to let so many mobs swarm you that you couldn’t talk to any NPC’s ever

[gritty copper]

its just a random mob not an npc lmao

[rose fog]

And then you were supposedly so distracted by the archer shooting an out of range mob that 10 zombies stopped you from talking to the identifier

[delicate dawn]

There are reasons for why bob is the way that he is. Don't blame him :(

[plush canopy]

The mobs spawn zone is overlapped in the outpost zone @rose fog unless that didn't make its way during the convo

[thin raven]

not by Wynncraft's definition of NPC, which is an interactable entity that you talk to, not an enemy.

[plush canopy]

Also the vendor in question was the blacksmith by the archer tower. to clear that up.

[rose fog]

I mean, yeah, it is, you can also kill the mobs there to stop them from swarming you. Get your group to do that and I promise you, your problem will go away

[hearty pebble]

i love how we're tone policing OP when half the server jumped his throat preemptively offended and pissy first like he told them that their mothers stink or something

[plush canopy]

^

[rose fog]

And, if you want those guards to attack consistently, /class to fix any sort of de-sync

[plush canopy]

I mean 15 people jumped my feedback instead of either helping me understand the expectation of wynn or you know. explaining its not like that everywhere

So tbf we kinda rotted the convo fast

[gritty copper]

that area is called emerald trial its not supposed to be 100% safe its just supposed to give new players a comfortable space to learn the game. the blacksmith and item identifier are there for convenience.
its not supposed to be super safe like a city

[rose fog]

This seems to be an uncommon problem, tbh, and I’m interested to know for sure what on earth you guys were doing to have it be such a problem

[thin raven]

Wynncraft is all about an eternal war ripping apart the provinces, everywhere other than the major cities is extremely dangerous, and the outpost on the Emrald Trail is designed to highlight that with even the NPC areas not being safe from enemies attacking you regularly

[plush canopy]

This expectation was confused when there were guard towers planted with 8 archers next to it. so my "expectation" was misstepped because of my general understanding of games.

[azure thistle]

New players would have already made their way to next city when you are aruging bob is annoying 😭

[plush canopy]

Again, not arguing. providing feedback on my understanding while I was being shafted by half the server and 2 people were generally trying to understand what I was saying

also mind you the only person who should of policed the random other 7 people here jumped in and left.

[worldly girder]

Can we make observer spawn again in lutho to see the surge of feedback

[gritty copper]

ok your expectation was "misguided" then idk
what do you want us to say

like sorry you feel misguided xD

[plush canopy]

How about "Sorry we told you it was a skill issue that you half less than an hour in the game and didn't understand what to expect"

Something like that would of been good but i've got and idea of what to expect going forward tbf

[astral grail]

I love that this mobs AI basically attack's any entity before it starts attacking the player, like you could place a shaman totem and it tries to kill it first

[plush canopy]

I'll deffinitely make sure not to be posting anymore feedback. generally sorry I even opened that door Lol

[rose fog]

Oh yeah, I always forget those mobs never target players

[gritty copper]

Sorry we told you it was a skill issue that you half less than an hour in the game and didn't understand what to expect
happy?

[plush canopy]

Sure. I may awell delete this whole thing now since it turned into a chat session. Thanks for stepping in to say something meaningful @timid sierra

[gritty copper]

idk sometimes your expectations might be proven wrong in a new game isn't that just how things work?

[azure thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662774318106804282/821047089282285568/1600477844789.gif

[astral grail]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[cosmic egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772299688283078706/1383288752696463451/unnamed-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[keen ferry]

ZomBob does like no damage and has no health did i miss something

[worldly girder]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-canto-viii-lei-heng-project-moon-reload-gif-14416266550618323856

[keen ferry]

And does anyone have a screenshot of op's original post (it's gone now)

[worldly girder]

Ip grabber

[gritty copper]

it doesn't matter lol

[plush canopy]

TLDR, guards were being stuck on everything and mobs were making it into the city and also I misunderstood the point of guard towers outside the city walls.

Thats all it is.

[keen ferry]

Guards are iffy sometimes yeah

[gritty copper]

what do you propose wynncraft do about this?
just curious

[plush canopy]

I proposed it earlier. which was a relatively easy suggestion.

Add a tag for bob in the main city, also make it so that the mobs constantly roaming around the first beginner area adhere to an aggro radius only in this stage of the game

[gritty copper]

this???

[plush canopy]

The tag would set him to neutral

Correct.

Minecraft has both systems operational already.

I removed the server regardless though. I do hope at somepoint the feedback does somewhat help. otherwise I'll go revisit my skill issues.

[keen ferry]

ZomBob had bro ragequitting this is fire

[worldly girder]

Bob gate kept him

[rose fog]

I seriously wish I could’ve been there to see what on earth you and your team were doing

[delicate dawn]

Bob is basically acting as bait for players to kill it. It drops an item on death which is needed for something else.

[plush canopy]

It was actually the reaction to the feedback that made me realize this wasn't for me.

[gritty copper]

Sorry that we offended you 🤷‍♂️

[rose fog]

Not even in a mocking way, I’m just genuinely confused at how this kind of event can even occur. I’ve been active for more than a decade, helping new players since conception, and I’ve never met one group of people experience issues like this. At most, people have died at the blacksmith, and they fix the issue by not letting mobs swarm them next time. It’s a common theme in Wynn, never talk, AFK, stand still, whatever, when mobs are near you. Even safe zones have mobs in them—pitiful ones for added stress. It’s the entire theme of Wynn to always be reminded that there is a war

[plush canopy]

If it was so out of this world of an experience for a player to have, you would of thought the investigation would of taken place before the random hamburgers and ragebaits

[worldly girder]

We should add observer back to lutho, the funniest shit ever

[azure thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1364724912010428506/thewynncraftdamage.gif

[keen ferry]

The shrieking one or what

[worldly girder]

The enemy disguised as morph

[keen ferry]

Oh the obsessor

[rose fog]

Gotta be honest, people are going to make fun of this. It’s up to you to remain open to scorn, whilst keeping your perspective clear

[gritty copper]

I mean to be fair you can afk in most cities

[worldly girder]

Obsessor observer close enough

[azure thistle]

And i have to say I love them why did they removed 🥺

[rose fog]

You can kinda AFK anywhere, now, since there’s an actual afk system

[keen ferry]

Also based on the title there would have been way less ragebait if the title didn't sound so demandy

[worldly girder]

Making a post real quick

[azure thistle]

[gritty copper]

you could also usually go up in the trees and that would be safe even before afk system
also on mountains

[rose fog]

Warriors have it tough, though. Only can hide in waterfalls

[plush canopy]

Its fine man. its an example of veteran mentality. You learn an expectation but dont know how to set it and when someone says something ignorant about a system you have known for thousands of hours, you are blinded and assume the person is mentally disabled in some regard. which is understandable. Genuinely though it was an experience regardless.

[gritty copper]

its ok warriors are 🗿 though so its ok

[worldly girder]

#1384420458442653786

[rose fog]

It isn’t a problem. I hope my sarcasm hasn’t deterred you from the game, though. I mean it when I say that this game is amazing to just explore, let alone figure out. Hope you try again, and learn more from it, just to see the art the CT has made

[azure thistle]

Upvoted

[gritty copper]

this whole situation could have been avoided if you followed what the tutorial taught you (wynncrafts tutorial is great tbh) and just killed the mobs near you, and if not its ok you end up dying a few times and you would start to learn the game naturally
its really not that hard

[plush canopy]

The heavy upfront toxicity from so many players jumping on a feedback thread that could of easily been left alone and laughed at instead of turning into a offload shafting session will probably be a big reminder for awhile of why I probably wont.

The point was made, Truely.

Also I'm pretty positive the content team member who came in here was part of the staff and was also joining in, so that also kinda indicates to me its a community as a whole issue, not just players at 2am.

[azure thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724581180841656360/1356456951998840873/attachment.gif

[gritty copper]

if you post feedback people disagree with or think is useless people will react accordingly (trust me it has happened to me before) I don't know what you expect, also the staff that came in here were acting quite kind
and also time zones exist btw

[crude turtle]

yall still replying to a thread that was obviously ragebait from the get go

[thin raven]

the Wynncord mentality

[gritty copper]

I honestly think they are being genuine though

[plush canopy]

I was.

[azure thistle]

hi the hamburger guy

[thin raven]

y'all instantly jumped this guy who had a bad experience acting like their experience and opinion was invalid just because the issues they had a trivial from the perspective of someone experienced with Wynncraft

[keen ferry]

90% sure it was the tone tbh

[thin raven]

true

[keen ferry]

That + literally nobody ever complaining about this

[frank bough]

the title also probably didnt help

[sweet beacon]

interesting thread

[keen ferry]

not quite a buuns tier thread but still reasonably good

[timid sierra]

Sorry if I did come off negative in a way or anything like that

[plush canopy]

Tbf its unfair of me to pair you in with them. but truthfully, had I been in your shoes knowing where it was going, I would of locked the thread.

Nothing good came of the 5 essays.

[ancient stag]

naw im with OP on this one, its not unreasonable to want the guards to hit the mobs

yall would be complaining if this happened in Lutho

[hearty pebble]

it does and i do
lol

[ancient stag]

yeah so i dont get why people are clowning on this guy for his post

[young wadi]

Very entertaining post I must say

[fervent arrow]

huh it isnt locked yet

[clear falcon]

theres a difference between that and ragequitting over bob zombie and clutching pearls over burger and pregnant man reactions

[ancient stag]

he had a completely valid complaint.

and be honest, the entire channel is people making fun of the guy while he's being nothing but genuine

hardly "clutching pearls over memes"

this server has a habit of making fun of new players to the point where I'm surprised we get any new people in the discord at all

[young wadi]

The tone was a bit harsh tho

I didnt see the original post, but even the title is a bit too much

[azure thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/806213362433916969/1271521142401663069/lv_0_20240809131459.gif

[clear falcon]

let me get this straight

op takes issue to mobs around vendor areas and guard npc targetting
mentions being knocked around while using said vendors
edge case scenario where groups of mobs chase op in videos (op has a weapon here as well but is not using it fsr other than to prove some esoteric point)
while yes the guard ai targetting could be argued for being poor
instead, OP:
extrapolates this to the new player experience being bad as a whole (entirely different scenario)
from mild joking and questioning reactions to the thread OP deletes wynncraft from server list because "playerbase too toxic" (discord is a minority of wynncraft playerbase)

is this seriously not pearl clutching

[young wadi]

That sums it up mostly yeah

[ancient stag]

yep, theres an obvious issue here
yes, thats true
im not sure what point you're making here, the mobs are attacking him and he doesnt shoot? How is this relevant to the first 2 points
yes the title is broad but its direct and his personal experience (hence: feedback)
"mild joking" yeah sure man
"questioning reactions to the thread" again, what kind of point is this? You're really gonna knock that?
quote me where I said the playerbase is "too toxic". I said the server as in the discord server, and i even emphasized that by bringing up discord by name in the 2nd half of the sentence

_ _
This entire scenario was escalated to this point by the discord regulars not being understanding and patient with new players. They chose to gang up on someone expressing a small part of the game they wish to see improved. Gif spam, reaction spam, straw-manning their messages, and good old fashion ragebait. These are all very common in this community I dont see how you can dismiss it as mild joking. Especially to a newcomer who has no insight to what the (discord) server's culture is, its hard to get used to and shouldnt be forced onto the new members this harshly

honestly tired of seeing this behaviour

inb4: "holy essay"

[clear falcon]

quote me where I said the playerbase is "too toxic"
my message is pretty clear that it was about OP's reaction

regardless if you think the memes and reactions were unwarranted, the criticism was about removing the minecraft server from the list over a negative experience in a specific thread on the discord - it should be obvious that a minority discord userbase does not reflect the community in it's entirely, gathered from OPs responses throughout the thread which you can read.
hence referring to pearl clutching here

[ancient stag]

disagree to agree

i dont have the time or energy to continue this argument, ive said what I felt I needed to

[compact nexus]

mythical constructive feedback pull

[serene flax]

🙌 🤐

[vast fulcrum]

also OP has done tutorial in which you kill the mobs, so they shouldn't have an issue on knowing how does the game works

i mean, yeah, agree that most zombies from initial area have a shitty AI but not because they do what OP is talking about but rather because of the lack of variety of attacks

[vernal otter]

lmfao what is this thread??? the archer guards in ragni???

i made those, they're decoration

the real problem is the fact that the melee guards on the ground break after they have killed all mobs and return to their spawnpoint

this is a dev issue and ive been asking for it to be fixed for months but it isnt high priority because it concerns the old mob system which we are barely using anymore

[young wadi]

But... but the archers dont hit anything!!!

[plush canopy]

The thread was originally made to explain the frustrations of how players interact with environments in games and the experience that followed while I spent the first hour in the game. The toxicity of the culture that has gone unmanaged here changed the entirety of the forum into a shitpost and instead of setting the expectation straight "just so you know. Guards in our game are not a sign of safe areas but rather decoration in places outside cities" it turned into being eaten alive by veteran players who have no patience or intention of integrating or setting new players on the right path

So the entirety of the post got summed up into a player who wants mobs killed for him.

[vernal otter]

generally melee guards are the actual functional guard mobs

theyre just broken right now which sucks

[plush canopy]

Which would of been a perfect response by any number of players in this thread including the other staff. But nobody in the last 12 hours did that

Instead it was a teasing fest and torture show.

So really it wasn't what I said, it was the response or lack thereof which probably could also generally fall into new player experience feedback. That regardless of what feedback is given. It should never get to this point again. This was a horrible PR mess in terms of experience.

[keen ferry]

This is like 1/10th of the bullying foxxochan experienced here on any given day

[plush canopy]

I want you to know as one of the biggest offenders, you minimizing your actions knowing full well you were part of the problem just makes you look down right stupid. Why don't you do a @search and check out your responses.

Genuinely, i still don't understand why this isnt thread locked.

With the exposure this had, the feedback is lost in time anyways so the whole thing should be deleted, however apparently the content team is more active than the mod team.

<@&268142859327242242> close this thread. It's useless being here anymore.

[keen ferry]

I know full well what i said and i speak only the truth

[plush canopy]

You speak like an idiot. Nothing you said was the truth, it was for entertainment value

[keen ferry]

Idk man i think i've spent long enough here to know what i'm talkin about

[plush canopy]

You'd think after all that time you'd learn to not be a piece of garbage, yet both seem to have fallen away from you.